KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - - KPBC 1-10

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, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani wrote:

>

> Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,

>

> My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as

authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme

as childish and it is below their

> dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their

reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong.

Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their

ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the

absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair

> knowledge and study and who are really interested to

> improve their ability to gain practical experience will come

> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are

slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6

simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may

give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for

beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time

> the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued

> giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will

> be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by

> way of discussion with members. I wish that you should

> initiate this with your abundant knowledge.

>

> With best wishes,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

> goes wrong. -

> Dhanabalan R

>

> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM

> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

>

>

> Dear Bhaskarji

> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in

the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because

I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will

guide me.

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

>

> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM

>

>

> Dear Dhanabalanji,

> Such responses to those who have not participated in the

Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members

from participating in the quiz.

> Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of

measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.

> There could be many reasons for one not participating,

including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories

associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency,

suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain

astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of

not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons

looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to

which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.

> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a

elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any ,

dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again

on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not

require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?

> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and

Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.

> Please take this positively.

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear L.Y.Rao

> > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you

participate in the quiz?

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote:

> >

> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ .

> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept

from Naadi

> > @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853@

> > Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp@

> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dears TW & Punit,

> > I just cannot comprehend as

to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...

> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati

clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the

name of the Nadi is also given by him...

> > But what is the hullabuloo

about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...

> > Unless of course, the

objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the

history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...

> > What is more important,to

my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...

and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and

semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge

from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even

ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many

more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .

> > Improvements in the

existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate

results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.

> > I hope more and more

students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even

notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .

> > I am sure that you both and

Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...

> > With kind regards,

> > L.Y.Rao.

> >

GOOD LUCK !

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > tw853 tw853 >

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM

> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from

Naadi

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak

to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak.

> >

> > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two

posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is

as follows:

> >

> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea

of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him,

suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,

that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling

planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.

> >

> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection

between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life

events from Brihat Jatak.

> >

> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya

Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in

sloka 6:

> >

> > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with

reference to:

> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in

the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords

of the rasis occupied by the above three.

> >

> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star,

Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.

> >

> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and

the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of

the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth

star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant,

the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the

birth star......

> >

> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:

> >

> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken

as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These

are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma

lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first

sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the

body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to

determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be

taken for preparing the horoscope

> >

> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of

taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had

used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between

but similar RPs.

> >

> > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs

are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever

Dhanabalan ji may call.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey "

punitp@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What

Satyacharya said

> > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for

determining the

> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common

interpretation) . In

> > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any

moment " using these

> > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about

rectification or horary

> > > astrology, as far as I know.

> > >

> > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe,

from " Brihat Jatak "

> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is

connection

> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and

planets ruling

> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised

upon the ideas

> > > taken from these two texts.

> > >

> > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " ,

following are the

> > > planets for judging destiny of a native -

> > >

> > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign

> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa

> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is

powerful)

> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are

located

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punitji

> > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by

Dr.Satya Prakash

> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi

concept. I am

> > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any

moment according

> > > to the sage are:

> > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord

> > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)

> > > > * Moon signlord

> > > > * Navamsa lagna lord

> > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the

Navamsa lagna lord

> > > >

> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He

has taken

> > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I

told you already

> > > as japanese style.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others

grab.

> >

>

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Dear tw853,

We, in our learnibg stages have quized ourselves numerous times over the years,by our Guruji and seniors ...and I no longer feel the need for going through it,again,as I keep in constant practice in my own professional practise...you may,if you feel it necessary, convey this to Mr.Dhanabalan in particular,as I do not want to deal with a new recruit to K.P.

Thanks,and with best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Thursday, 12 February, 2009 11:09:21 AM Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - - KPBC 1-10 Links

 

Dear Friends,For those who are interested to see the prediction techniques ofseniors like Anant Raichur, Punit Pandey, professionals like K.P.Kuppu Ganpathi, Sandy Crowther, Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Kanak Bosmia, guestsfrom Vedic group like Swe Chan and others members, the message numbersof KPBC 1 to 10 for Question and Answer are provided below: 1. Q: 1381: A:14992 Q: 1529; A:16103: Q: 1650: A:17244: Q: 1902: A:19755. Q: 2103: A: 21616. Q: 2185: A: 22407. Q: 2385, A: 2457 8. Q: 2468; A: 2511 9. Q: 2554: A: 261810.Q:2680: A:2754 Regards,tw@gro ups.com, "Ramani" <kadavasalramani@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,> > My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered

asauthentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programmeas childish and it is below their > dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that theirreputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong.Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to theirignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In theabsence of such majority members, only few members who have fair> knowledge and study and who are really interested to > improve their ability to gain practical experience will come> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen areslightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He maygive the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot forbeginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time> the quiz like 1 to 3 so

far conducted may be continued > giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > way of discussion with members. I wish that you should> initiate this with your abundant knowledge.> > With best wishes,> > K.S.V.Ramani> > goes wrong. - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > Dear Bhaskarji> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing inthe quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. BecauseI read so many books, books confused me. I hope this

quiz program willguide me.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM> > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> Such responses to those who have not participated in theQuiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further membersfrom participating in the quiz. > Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale ofmeasurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.> There could be many reasons for one not participating,including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad

memoriesassociated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency,suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certainastrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects ofnot arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasonslooming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked towhich astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is aelderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any ,dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over againon innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does notrequire certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) andUmra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.> Please take this positively. > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > >

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear L.Y.Rao> > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant youparticipate in the quiz?> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote:> > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ .> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets conceptfrom Naadi> > @gro ups.com, "Tin Win" tw853@> > Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp@> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> > I just cannot comprehend asto just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhaticlearly says that KSK derived

inspiration from Nadi Astrology... thename of the Nadi is also given by him...> > But what is the hullabulooabout ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...> > Unless of course, theobjective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about thehistory of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> > What is more important,tomy mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions andsemantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledgefrom where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory evenater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come manymore theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> > Improvements in theexisting Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurateresults should be the objective of all inquiring

students of astrology.> > I hope more and morestudents of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or evennotoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .> > I am sure that you both andKanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> > With kind regards,> > L.Y.Rao.> > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept fromNaadi> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatakto Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary

has given twoposibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one isas follows:> > > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the ideaof Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him,suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become rulingplanets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connectionbetween the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major lifeevents from Brihat Jatak.> > > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in SatyaJatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned insloka 6: > > > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied withreference to:> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord

of the ascendant inthe navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lordsof the rasis occupied by the above three.> > > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star,Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon andthe ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord ofthe star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birthstar. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant,the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as thebirth star......> > > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > > > 5. There are three different moments which can be takenas the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. Theseare(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshmalagna i.e., the

moment at which the head of the child is firstsighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves thebody of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult todetermine the first two moments accurately, the third one should betaken for preparing the horoscope> > > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea oftaking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK hadused at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection betweenbut similar RPs. > > > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPsare the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whateverDhanabalan ji may call. > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey"punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > >

> > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. WhatSatyacharya said> > > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used fordetermining the> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by commoninterpretation) . In> > > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of anymoment" using these> > > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk aboutrectification or horary> > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe,from "Brihat Jatak"> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there isconnection> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question andplanets ruling> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvisedupon the ideas> > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > > Also, from the

Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" ,following are the> > > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever ispowerful)> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets arelocated> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan Rr.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Punitji> > > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" byDr.Satya Prakash> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadiconcept. I am> > > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of anymoment according> > > to the

sage are:> > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > > * Moon signlord> > > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by theNavamsa lagna lord> > > > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. Hehas taken> > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what Itold you already> > > as japanese style.> > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before othersgrab.> >>

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Dear members

Mr.Ramani has already explained clearly the reason for those who are not participating in the quiz. I agree Mr.Ramani's explanation. It is upto the member to participate in the quiz. I will participate in the future quiz program. I am not a professional astrologer to maintain my image. As Mr.Adith said, one can learn through mistakes. I hope this quiz program will clear my doubts and my confusions.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - - KPBC 1-10 Links Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:44 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear tw853,

We, in our learnibg stages have quized ourselves numerous times over the years,by our Guruji and seniors ...and I no longer feel the need for going through it,again,as I keep in constant practice in my own professional practise...you may,if you feel it necessary, convey this to Mr.Dhanabalan in particular,as I do not want to deal with a new recruit to K.P.

Thanks,and with best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comThursday, 12 February, 2009 11:09:21 AM Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - - KPBC 1-10 Links

 

Dear Friends,For those who are interested to see the prediction techniques ofseniors like Anant Raichur, Punit Pandey, professionals like K.P.Kuppu Ganpathi, Sandy Crowther, Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Kanak Bosmia, guestsfrom Vedic group like Swe Chan and others members, the message numbersof KPBC 1 to 10 for Question and Answer are provided below: 1. Q: 1381: A:14992 Q: 1529; A:16103: Q: 1650: A:17244: Q: 1902: A:19755. Q: 2103: A: 21616. Q: 2185: A: 22407. Q: 2385, A: 2457 8. Q: 2468; A: 2511 9. Q: 2554: A: 261810.Q:2680: A:2754 Regards,tw@gro ups.com, "Ramani" <kadavasalramani@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,> > My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered asauthentic and authoritative in the field may

feel the quiz programmeas childish and it is below their > dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that theirreputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong.Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to theirignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In theabsence of such majority members, only few members who have fair> knowledge and study and who are really interested to > improve their ability to gain practical experience will come> forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen areslightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He maygive the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot forbeginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time> the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > giving 1

week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > way of discussion with members. I wish that you should> initiate this with your abundant knowledge.> > With best wishes,> > K.S.V.Ramani> > goes wrong. - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > Dear Bhaskarji> If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing inthe quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. BecauseI read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program willguide me.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar

<bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM> > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> Such responses to those who have not participated in theQuiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further membersfrom participating in the quiz. > Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale ofmeasurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.> There could be many reasons for one not participating,including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memoriesassociated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency,suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certainastrologers , not

wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects ofnot arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasonslooming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked towhich astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.> You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is aelderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any ,dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over againon innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does notrequire certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?> Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) andUmra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.> Please take this positively. > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R<r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear L.Y.Rao> > If you understand the KP

correctly, why cant youparticipate in the quiz?> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote:> > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ .> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets conceptfrom Naadi> > @gro ups.com, "Tin Win" tw853@> > Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp@> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> > I just cannot comprehend asto just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> > Krishnamurthi Padhdhaticlearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... thename of the Nadi is also given by him...> > But what is the hullabulooabout ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK

derived his Padhdhati...> > Unless of course, theobjective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about thehistory of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> > What is more important,tomy mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions andsemantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledgefrom where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory evenater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come manymore theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> > Improvements in theexisting Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurateresults should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.> > I hope more and morestudents of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or evennotoriety just to draw attention towards

themselves.. . .> > I am sure that you both andKanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> > With kind regards,> > L.Y.Rao.> > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept fromNaadi> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatakto Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given twoposibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one isas follows:> > > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he

got the ideaof Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him,suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become rulingplanets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connectionbetween the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major lifeevents from Brihat Jatak.> > > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in SatyaJatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned insloka 6: > > > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied withreference to:> > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant inthe navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lordsof the rasis occupied by the above three.> > > > 5. In sloka

7, it is said to choose the birth star,Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon andthe ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord ofthe star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birthstar. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant,the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as thebirth star......> > > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > > > 5. There are three different moments which can be takenas the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. Theseare(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshmalagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is firstsighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves thebody of the mother and touches the earth. As it is

difficult todetermine the first two moments accurately, the third one should betaken for preparing the horoscope> > > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea oftaking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK hadused at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection betweenbut similar RPs. > > > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPsare the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whateverDhanabalan ji may call. > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey"punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. WhatSatyacharya said> > > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used fordetermining

the> > > destiny (or may be general nativity by commoninterpretation) . In> > > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of anymoment" using these> > > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk aboutrectification or horary> > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe,from "Brihat Jatak"> > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there isconnection> > > between the planets ruling the moment of question andplanets ruling> > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvisedupon the ideas> > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" ,following are the> > > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > > > 1. Lord of

Ascendant Sign> > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever ispowerful)> > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets arelocated> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan Rr.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Punitji> > > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" byDr.Satya Prakash> > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadiconcept. I am> > > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of anymoment according> > > to the sage are:> > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > > *

Moon signlord> > > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by theNavamsa lagna lord> > > > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. Hehas taken> > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what Itold you already> > > as japanese style.> > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before othersgrab.> >>

 

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Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,

 

It's clearly mentioned for those who are interested to know that

seniors, juniors, professionals and evn guests participated before,

not stayed away like Raminiji says.

 

Regards,

 

tw

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

>

> Dear tw853,

>                    We, in our

learnibg stages  have quized ourselves numerous times over the

years,by our Guruji and seniors ...and I no longer feel the need

for going through it,again,as I keep in constant practice

in  my   own professional practise...you may,if you feel it

necessary, convey this to Mr.Dhanabalan in particular,as I do not want

to deal with a new recruit to K.P.

>                    Thanks,and with best wishes,

>                     L.Y.Rao.

>                   

>                    

>                     

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Thursday, 12 February, 2009 11:09:21 AM

> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - -

KPBC 1-10 Links

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> For those who are interested to see the prediction techniques of

> seniors like Anant Raichur, Punit Pandey, professionals like K.P.

> Kuppu Ganpathi, Sandy Crowther, Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Kanak Bosmia, guests

> from Vedic group like Swe Chan and others members, the message numbers

> of KPBC 1 to 10 for Question and Answer are provided below:

>

> 1. Q: 1381: A:1499

> 2 Q: 1529; A:1610

> 3: Q: 1650: A:1724

> 4: Q: 1902: A:1975

> 5. Q: 2103: A: 2161

> 6. Q: 2185: A: 2240

> 7. Q: 2385, A: 2457

> 8. Q: 2468; A: 2511

> 9. Q: 2554: A: 2618

> 10.Q:2680: A:2754

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,

> >

> > My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as

> authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme

> as childish and it is below their

> > dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their

> reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong.

> Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their

> ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the

> absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair

> > knowledge and study and who are really interested to

> > improve their ability to gain practical experience will come

> > forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are

> slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6

> simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may

> give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for

> beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time

> > the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued

> > giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will

> > be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by

> > way of discussion with members. I wish that you should

> > initiate this with your abundant knowledge.

> >

> > With best wishes,

> >

> > K.S.V.Ramani

> >

> > goes wrong. -

> > Dhanabalan R

> > @gro ups.com

> > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM

> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji

> > If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in

> the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because

> I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will

> guide me.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>

> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM

> >

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalanji,

> > Such responses to those who have not participated in the

> Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members

> from participating in the quiz.

> > Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of

> measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.

> > There could be many reasons for one not participating,

> including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories

> associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency,

> suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain

> astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of

> not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons

> looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to

> which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.

> > You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a

> elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any ,

> dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again

> on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not

> require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?

> > Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and

> Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.

> > Please take this positively.

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear L.Y.Rao

> > > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you

> participate in the quiz?

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote:

> > >

> > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ .

> > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept

> from Naadi

> > > @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853@

> > > Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp@

> > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dears TW & Punit,

> > > I just cannot comprehend as

> to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...

> > > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati

> clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the

> name of the Nadi is also given by him...

> > > But what is the hullabuloo

> about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his

Padhdhati...

> > > Unless of course, the

> objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the

> history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...

> > > What is more important,to

> my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...

> and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and

> semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge

> from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even

> ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many

> more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .

> > > Improvements in the

> existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate

> results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.

> > > I hope more and more

> students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even

> notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .

> > > I am sure that you both and

> Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...

> > > With kind regards,

> > > L.Y.Rao.

> > >

> GOOD LUCK !

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > tw853 tw853 >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM

> > > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from

> Naadi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak

> to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak.

> > >

> > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two

> posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is

> as follows:

> > >

> > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea

> of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him,

> suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,

> that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling

> planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.

> > >

> > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection

> between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life

> events from Brihat Jatak.

> > >

> > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya

> Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in

> sloka 6:

> > >

> > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with

> reference to:

> > > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in

> the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords

> of the rasis occupied by the above three.

> > >

> > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star,

> Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.

> > >

> > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and

> the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of

> the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth

> star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant,

> the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the

> birth star......

> > >

> > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:

> > >

> > > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken

> as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These

> are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma

> lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first

> sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the

> body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to

> determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be

> taken for preparing the horoscope

> > >

> > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of

> taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had

> used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between

> but similar RPs.

> > >

> > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs

> are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever

> Dhanabalan ji may call.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > > @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey "

> punitp@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > > >

> > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What

> Satyacharya said

> > > > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for

> determining the

> > > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common

> interpretation) . In

> > > > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any

> moment " using these

> > > > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about

> rectification or horary

> > > > astrology, as far as I know.

> > > >

> > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe,

> from " Brihat Jatak "

> > > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is

> connection

> > > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and

> planets ruling

> > > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised

> upon the ideas

> > > > taken from these two texts.

> > > >

> > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " ,

> following are the

> > > > planets for judging destiny of a native -

> > > >

> > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign

> > > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa

> > > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is

> powerful)

> > > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are

> located

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> r.dhanabalan@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Punitji

> > > > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by

> Dr.Satya Prakash

> > > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi

> concept. I am

> > > > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any

> moment according

> > > > to the sage are:

> > > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord

> > > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)

> > > > > * Moon signlord

> > > > > * Navamsa lagna lord

> > > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the

> Navamsa lagna lord

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He

> has taken

> > > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I

> told you already

> > > > as japanese style.

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear Shri Tin Winji,

 

The quiz master felt that the participants were minimal

and sought for participation from many seniors, In that connection, I made a general remarks for non participation

of members and it was not against any individual seniors.

I am very sorry and I seek pardon, if it has offended you or

any one. It is my sincere desire that seniors should partake so that juniors cain get more experience by the way of

their analysis. It is heartening to note after-result discussions have unearthed many new rules and intricate

matters, which benefit one and all. I request you kindly

to forgive me for my unwarranted remarks.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

tw853

Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:39 PM

Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - - KPBC 1-10 Links

 

 

Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,It's clearly mentioned for those who are interested to know that seniors, juniors, professionals and evn guests participated before,not stayed away like Raminiji says.Regards,tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear tw853,>                    We, in ourlearnibg stages  have quized ourselves numerous times over theyears,by our Guruji and seniors ...and I no longer feel the needfor going through it,again,as I keep in constant practicein  my  own professional practise...you may,if you feel itnecessary, convey this to Mr.Dhanabalan in particular,as I do not wantto deal with a new recruit to K.P.>                   Thanks,and with best wishes,>                    L.Y.Rao.>                   >                    >                     > > > > > ________________________________> tw853 <tw853> > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 11:09:21 AM> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - -KPBC 1-10 Links> > > Dear Friends,> > For those who are interested to see the prediction techniques of> seniors like Anant Raichur, Punit Pandey, professionals like K.P.> Kuppu Ganpathi, Sandy Crowther, Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Kanak Bosmia, guests> from Vedic group like Swe Chan and others members, the message numbers> of KPBC 1 to 10 for Question and Answer are provided below: > > 1. Q: 1381: A:1499> 2 Q: 1529; A:1610> 3: Q: 1650: A:1724> 4: Q: 1902: A:1975> 5. Q: 2103: A: 2161> 6. Q: 2185: A: 2240> 7. Q: 2385, A: 2457 > 8. Q: 2468; A: 2511 > 9. Q: 2554: A: 2618> 10.Q:2680: A:2754 > > Regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, "Ramani" <kadavasalramani@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,> > > > My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as> authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme> as childish and it is below their > > dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their> reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong.> Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their> ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the> absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair> > knowledge and study and who are really interested to > > improve their ability to gain practical experience will come> > forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are> slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6> simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may> give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for> beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time> > the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > > giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > > be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > > way of discussion with members. I wish that you should> > initiate this with your abundant knowledge.> > > > With best wishes,> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > > goes wrong. - > > Dhanabalan R > > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM> > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in> the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because> I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will> guide me.> > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > Such responses to those who have not participated in the> Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members> from participating in the quiz. > > Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of> measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.> > There could be many reasons for one not participating,> including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories> associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency,> suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain> astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of> not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons> looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to> which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.> > You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a> elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any ,> dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again> on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not> require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?> > Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and> Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.> > Please take this positively. > > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R> <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear L.Y.Rao> > > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you> participate in the quiz?> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote:> > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ .> > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept> from Naadi> > > @gro ups.com, "Tin Win" tw853@> > > Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp@> > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> > > I just cannot comprehend as> to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> > > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati> clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the> name of the Nadi is also given by him...> > > But what is the hullabuloo> about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived hisPadhdhati...> > > Unless of course, the> objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the> history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> > > What is more important,to> my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...> and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and> semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge> from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even> ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many> more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> > > Improvements in the> existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate> results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.> > > I hope more and more> students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even> notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .> > > I am sure that you both and> Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> > > With kind regards,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> > > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from> Naadi> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak> to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > > > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two> posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is> as follows:> > > > > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea> of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him,> suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,> that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling> planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > > > > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection> between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life> events from Brihat Jatak.> > > > > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya> Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in> sloka 6: > > > > > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with> reference to:> > > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in> the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords> of the rasis occupied by the above three.> > > > > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star,> Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > > > > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and> the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of> the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth> star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant,> the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the> birth star......> > > > > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > > > > > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken> as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These> are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma> lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first> sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the> body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to> determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be> taken for preparing the horoscope> > > > > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of> taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had> used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between> but similar RPs. > > > > > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs> are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever> Dhanabalan ji may call. > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > tw> > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey"> punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What> Satyacharya said> > > > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for> determining the> > > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common> interpretation) . In> > > > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any> moment" using these> > > > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about> rectification or horary> > > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe,> from "Brihat Jatak"> > > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is> connection> > > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and> planets ruling> > > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised> upon the ideas> > > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" ,> following are the> > > > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > > > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is> powerful)> > > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are> located> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R> r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Punitji> > > > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by> Dr.Satya Prakash> > > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi> concept. I am> > > > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any> moment according> > > > to the sage are:> > > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > > > * Moon signlord> > > > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the> Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He> has taken> > > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I> told you already> > > > as japanese style.> > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others> grab.> > >> >> > > > > > Check out the all-new face of India. Go tohttp://in./>

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Dear Ramini ji,1. It's fine and nothing is wrong to express your view with REASONINGand the links are given to let the interested members know:1) Seniors, juniors, professional and even guests HAD participated inthe KPBC 1-10;2) The participation rate was generally also low, around 10;3) But there is a lot to learn from their prediction methods, if oneis really interested.2. For examples, the elimination methods employed by Anant Raichur & Kanak Bosmia in the KPBCs similar to Quiz 1; Sandy Crowther's proposalto go up to 5th dasa level with her favourate Shri Jyoti in the KPBCsimilar to Quiz 3; M.P. Shanmugam's theory of inner and outer planetsapplied by Kanak Bosmia; Solar Eclipse (SE)advocated by Ron Gaunt;Gulbarga Theory applied by Anant Raichur; 4 Step Method applied byAjay Pandav, who is the first one introducing this method in thisgroup(Msg#701, 5311), etc.3. In Quiz 3, it needs first to make clear whether a Time chart is aKP Horary chart? Are the KP Horary rules are applicable to it as per aKP Horary chart?4. According to the KP Reader VI, Horary, Guidelines or hints for KPHorary prediction by K.P. Kuppu Ganapathi in KPEzine and inAstrosecrets and K.P. Part 2, Prashna (Nadi Astrology) (note: in factKP Horary)by Umang Taneja and New Dimension of K.P. Astrology (note:in fact KP Horary) a Horary number (1-249) is required; Dr. Kar's SubSub Theory a Horary number (1-2193). As per SP Khullar's HoraryAstrology, a Horary number (1-2193) or a Time chart quoting KarlJung's (perhaps Carl Jung)statement. Thanks and regards,tw , "Ramani" <kadavasalramani wrote:>> Dear Shri Tin Winji,> > The quiz master felt that the participants were minimal> and sought for participation from many seniors, In that connection, I made a general remarks for non participation > of members and it was not against any individual seniors.> I am very sorry and I seek pardon, if it has offended you or> any one. It is my sincere desire that seniors should partake so that juniors cain get more experience by the way of > their analysis. It is heartening to note after-result discussions have unearthed many new rules and intricate> matters, which benefit one and all. I request you kindly > to forgive me for my unwarranted remarks.> > Astrologically yours,> > K.S.V.Ramani > - > tw853 > > Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:39 PM> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - - KPBC 1-10 Links> > > Dear Yogesh Rao Lajmi,> > It's clearly mentioned for those who are interested to know that > seniors, juniors, professionals and evn guests participated before,> not stayed away like Raminiji says.> > Regards,> > tw > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ wrote:> >> > Dear tw853,> >                    We, in our> learnibg stages  have quized ourselves numerous times over the> years,by our Guruji and seniors ...and I no longer feel the need> for going through it,again,as I keep in constant practice> in  my  own professional practise...you may,if you feel it> necessary, convey this to Mr.Dhanabalan in particular,as I do not want> to deal with a new recruit to K.P.> >                   Thanks,and with best wishes,> >                    L.Y.Rao.> >                   > >                    > >                     > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > tw853 tw853@> > > > Thursday, 12 February, 2009 11:09:21 AM> > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi - - -> KPBC 1-10 Links> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > For those who are interested to see the prediction techniques of> > seniors like Anant Raichur, Punit Pandey, professionals like K.P.> > Kuppu Ganpathi, Sandy Crowther, Yogesh Rao Lajmi, Kanak Bosmia, guests> > from Vedic group like Swe Chan and others members, the message numbers> > of KPBC 1 to 10 for Question and Answer are provided below: > > > > 1. Q: 1381: A:1499> > 2 Q: 1529; A:1610> > 3: Q: 1650: A:1724> > 4: Q: 1902: A:1975> > 5. Q: 2103: A: 2161> > 6. Q: 2185: A: 2240> > 7. Q: 2385, A: 2457 > > 8. Q: 2468; A: 2511 > > 9. Q: 2554: A: 2618> > 10.Q:2680: A:2754 > > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, "Ramani" <kadavasalramani@ ...>> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,> > > > > > My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as> > authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme> > as childish and it is below their > > > dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their> > reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong.> > Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their> > ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the> > absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair> > > knowledge and study and who are really interested to > > > improve their ability to gain practical experience will come> > > forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are> > slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6> > simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may> > give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for> > beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time> > > the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued > > > giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will > > > be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by > > > way of discussion with members. I wish that you should> > > initiate this with your abundant knowledge.> > > > > > With best wishes,> > > > > > K.S.V.Ramani> > > > > > goes wrong. - > > > Dhanabalan R > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM> > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji> > > If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in> > the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because> > I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will> > guide me.> > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...>> > > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > Such responses to those who have not participated in the> > Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members> > from participating in the quiz. > > > Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of> > measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.> > > There could be many reasons for one not participating,> > including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories> > associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency,> > suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain> > astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of> > not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons> > looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to> > which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.> > > You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a> > elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any ,> > dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again> > on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not> > require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?> > > Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and> > Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.> > > Please take this positively. > > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R> > <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear L.Y.Rao> > > > If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you> > participate in the quiz?> > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ . wrote:> > > > > > > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ .> > > > Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept> > from Naadi> > > > @gro ups.com, "Tin Win" tw853@> > > > Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp@> > > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> > > > I just cannot comprehend as> > to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> > > > Krishnamurthi Padhdhati> > clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the> > name of the Nadi is also given by him...> > > > But what is the hullabuloo> > about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his> Padhdhati...> > > > Unless of course, the> > objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the> > history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> > > > What is more important,to> > my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...> > and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and> > semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge> > from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even> > ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many> > more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> > > > Improvements in the> > existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate> > results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.> > > > I hope more and more> > students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even> > notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .> > > > I am sure that you both and> > Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> > > > With kind regards,> > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> > > > Re: KP Ruling planets concept from> > Naadi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > > > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak> > to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > > > > > > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two> > posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is> > as follows:> > > > > > > > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea> > of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him,> > suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch,> > that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling> > planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > > > > > > > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection> > between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life> > events from Brihat Jatak.> > > > > > > > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya> > Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in> > sloka 6: > > > > > > > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with> > reference to:> > > > (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in> > the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords> > of the rasis occupied by the above three.> > > > > > > > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star,> > Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > > > > > > > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and> > the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of> > the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth> > star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant,> > the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the> > birth star......> > > > > > > > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > > > > > > > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken> > as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These> > are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma> > lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first> > sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the> > body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to> > determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be> > taken for preparing the horoscope> > > > > > > > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of> > taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had> > used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between> > but similar RPs. > > > > > > > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs> > are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever> > Dhanabalan ji may call. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey"> > punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > > > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What> > Satyacharya said> > > > > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for> > determining the> > > > > destiny (or may be general nativity by common> > interpretation) . In> > > > > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any> > moment" using these> > > > > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about> > rectification or horary> > > > > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > > > > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe,> > from "Brihat Jatak"> > > > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is> > connection> > > > > between the planets ruling the moment of question and> > planets ruling> > > > > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised> > upon the ideas> > > > > taken from these two texts. > > > > > > > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" ,> > following are the> > > > > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > > > > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > > > > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is> > powerful)> > > > > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are> > located> > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R> > r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punitji> > > > > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by> > Dr.Satya Prakash> > > > > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi> > concept. I am> > > > > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any> > moment according> > > > > to the sage are:> > > > > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > > > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > > > > * Moon signlord> > > > > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the> > Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > > > > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He> > has taken> > > > > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I> > told you already> > > > > as japanese style.> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others> > grab.> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Check out the all-new face of India. Go to> http://in./> >>