exaltation/debilitation in KP

February 13, 2009

Dear Dhanabalanji,

Exaltation is definitely not connected with distance from the Earth. It is, no doubt, a sensitive point in the zodiac.

The sign Aries is visible in the sky roughly during October and November in the year. This sign comprises of three constellations 1.Arietis (Hamal), 2. Arietis Mus, 3. Tauri Alcyone which extends in to Taurus. These three are Aswini, Bharani and Kritika respectively. Kritika ruled by Sun is mostly in Taurus. Perhaps this is the reason that exaltation of Sun is not considered when it is in Tauri Alcyone. The main constellation is Hamal (Aeritis). This is the brightest star in sign of Aries. Perhaps that is why Sun is said to be exalted here even though it is ruled by Kethu. Further Hamal is the one that is first visible in the evening sky before the other two can be seen.

Dr. Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:19:47 PMRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP

Dear Luther

You may be correct. Planets including earth move in elliptical path around the Sun. So the distance between the Sun and planets vary. When the planet is close to the Sun, the planet's speed is more and vice versa.

Yesterday I further checked. The exaltation is not connected with the distance from the earth. Exaltation is a sensitive point in the zodiac. Astronomy and astrology are based on galaxy only. But galaxy itself has self rotation and it revolves. So there is a possibility for change of exaltation point.. Only NASA has to verify.

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009, 11:57 AM

Daer Dhanabalanji,

To express more correctly, I say that the Sun transits over head in northern hemisphere in summer and inclined in winter when it transits over head in southern hemisphere.

Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are nearer to earth when they are opposite to the Sun; and they are farther away when they are towards the Sun. Regarding Venus and Mercury, the infirior planets, they are nearer the earth when they are in direct in motion and farther away when they are retrograde.

Dr. Rath.

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009 11:11:35 PMRe: exaltation/debilita tion in KP

Dear Neelam

You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star..

Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it.

During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam

2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Dear Neelam Gupta

Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.

Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign:

only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama

when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and

when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner:

if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated

If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not

If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam

February 13, 2009

Dear NeelamAries stands for head of Kaal- purusha.Sun in ke (knowledge) takes him towards enlightenment that is why the sub is sat (moksha-karaka) Its my understanding that we humans are distorted versions of kaal-purusha and must persue enlightenment. The pain and suffering that we undergo as humans is to repay our debts and learn lessons and become pureRegardsSujata--- On Thu, 12/2/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 1:56 PM

Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.

If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.

Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Dear Neelam

You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star.

Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it.

During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP

@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//

This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard.. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works.. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//

Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam

2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Dear Neelam Gupta

Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.

Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,

//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying

//â€¦it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.

//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign:

only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama

when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and

when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner:

if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated

If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not

If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//

I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam

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February 13, 2009

Dear Friends,As we know, classical astrology is based on sign and not nakshatra. I believe that the exaltation and debilitation points are decided based on shodashvarga. For example, 10 degree in Aries goes into following signs in shodashvarga -

d1 - 1d2 - 5d3 - 1/5d4 - 4d7 - 3d9 - 3/4d10 - 4d12 - 4/5d16 - 6d20 - 7d24 - 12/1d27 - 9/10d30 - 11/9d40 - 2d45 - 3/4d60 - 8/9As per classical astrology, Moon, Mars and Jupiter are permanent friends for Sun. Mercury is neutral and Venus and Saturn are enemy.

We can notice that most of the shodashvarga signs for Aries 10 degree goes in the signs owned by friends only which makes sun benefic according to classical astrology. I hope this will give us another direction of thinking.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:31 PM, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

Dear NeelamAries stands for head of Kaal- purusha.Sun in ke (knowledge) takes him towards enlightenment that is why the sub is sat (moksha-karaka) Its my understanding that we humans are distorted versions of kaal-purusha and must persue enlightenment. The pain and suffering that we undergo as humans is to repay our debts and learn lessons and become pure

RegardsSujata--- On Thu, 12/2/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP

Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 1:56 PM

Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.

If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.

Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam

2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Dear Neelam

You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star.

Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it.

During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP

@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//

This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard.. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works.. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//

Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam

2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Dear Neelam Gupta

Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.

Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,

//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying

//…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.

//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign:

only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama

when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and

when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner:

if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated

If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not

If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//

I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam

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February 14, 2009

Dear Punitji,

In your nice observation i would like to add some more, as we know Sun

at 10 degree fallen in Ashwani Nakshatra(Ketu).sun is Atma Karka.a

king,a administrator and Ketu Karka for providing " Moksha' a prime

knowledge to free every thing.So in ashwani 4th charna Sun's power

intensify to produce the result of his Karaktatva.Because of this it

is consider as exalted at 10 degree in Arise sign.

Similarly at 10 degree in Libra it fallen in Swati nakshatra(Rahu)

what Rahu did to Sun it is well know so all power of his Karaktava

will at lowest or some extend bad so it consider as debilitation.

As like this every planet have relation with his exaltation point and

debilitation point.There is no any relation by nearest or farthest

position of planet regarding Earth.It is purely relation of

karaktava's power of the planets.It is traditional aspects what in KP

learned will explain us.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> As we know, classical astrology is based on sign and not nakshatra. I

> believe that the exaltation and debilitation points are decided based on

> shodashvarga.

>

> For example, 10 degree in Aries goes into following signs in

shodashvarga -

>

> d1 - 1

> d2 - 5

> d3 - 1/5

> d4 - 4

> d7 - 3

> d9 - 3/4

> d10 - 4

> d12 - 4/5

> d16 - 6

> d20 - 7

> d24 - 12/1

> d27 - 9/10

> d30 - 11/9

> d40 - 2

> d45 - 3/4

> d60 - 8/9

>

> As per classical astrology, Moon, Mars and Jupiter are permanent

friends for

> Sun. Mercury is neutral and Venus and Saturn are enemy.

>

> We can notice that most of the shodashvarga signs for Aries 10

degree goes

> in the signs owned by friends only which makes sun benefic according to

> classical astrology.

>

> I hope this will give us another direction of thinking.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:31 PM, sujata das <sujatadash1wrote:

>

> > Dear Neelam

> > Aries stands for head of Kaal- purusha.Sun in ke (knowledge) takes him

> > towards enlightenment that is why the sub is sat (moksha-karaka)

Its my

> > understanding that we humans are distorted versions of

kaal-purusha and must

> > persue enlightenment. The pain and suffering that we undergo as

humans is to

> > repay our debts and learn lessons and become pure

> > Regards

> > Sujata

> >

> > --- On *Thu, 12/2/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07* wrote:

> >

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

> > Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP

> >

> > Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 1:56 PM

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in

Ketu's star,

> > saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.

> > I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per

> > classics, though we may give various explainations.

> > If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at *26.40

deg Aries

> > which falls in sun-sun-sun*. But Krittika has *earthy tattwa.*

> > What about the position of *Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40*, in Uph

and Ush

> > when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these *Uph has firy tattwa* but

again *Ush

> > is airy*.

> > Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?

> >

> > Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ <r.dhanabalan>

> >

> >> Dear Neelam

> >> You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for

sun. i.e.

> >> It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm

whether the agni

> >> nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the

exaltation is

> >> in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star

and sub.

> >> 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star.

> >> Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it.

> >> During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun

is away

> >> from earth. It is applicable for all planets.

> >> Dhanabalan

> >>

> >> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

gmail.com<neelamgupta07

> >> >* wrote:

> >>

> >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com <neelamgupta07>

> >> Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP

> >>

> >> @gro ups.com

> >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM

> >>

> >> Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >>

> >> I thank you for sharing your views.

> >>

> >> //I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am

not sure

> >> of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation

point for Sun

> >> may fall in Taraus.//

> >> This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are

> >> standard.. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has

considered in

> >> his works..

> >>

> >> //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the

earth//

> >> Are we talking about Sun or all planets?

> >>

> >> Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.

> >>

> >> Regards

> >> Neelam

> >>

> >> 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ <r.dhanabalan>

> >>

> >>> Dear Neelam Gupta

> >>> Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be

maximum,

> >>> i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the

planets soppose

> >>> to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular

to the earth.

> >>> On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided

with Sun's

> >>> maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in

Panchanga. I

> >>> do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not

sure of the

> >>> degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for

Sun may

> >>> fall in Taraus.

> >>> Dhanabalan.

> >>>

> >>> --- On *Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@

gmail.com<neelamgupta07

> >>> >* wrote:

> >>>

> >>> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com <neelamgupta07>

> >>> exaltation/debilita tion in KP

> >>> @gro ups.com

> >>> Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM

> >>>

> >>> Dear Sirs,

> >>>

> >>> I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of

> >>> exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions

were

> >>> divided and there was no consensus on the issue.

> >>>

> >>> e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some

references and

> >>> said that,

> >>> //the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It

cannot be

> >>> ruled out.//

> >>>

> >>> TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying

> >>> //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and

> >>> debilitation are not valid in KP.//

> >>>

> >>> I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg.

465-466 where

> >>> KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its

> >>> strength as lord/occupant.

> >>>

> >>> //Quote

> >>>

> >>> The occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign:

> >>>

> >>> 1. only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by

> >>> occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama

> >>> 2. when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet

or is

> >>> occupying the other sign, and

> >>> 3. when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own

its own

> >>> sign, or exalted or vargottama

> >>>

> >>> The occupant is weaker than the owner:

> >>>

> >>> 1. if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated

> >>> 2. If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not

> >>> 3. If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in

its own

> >>> sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is

in swakshetra,

> >>> whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.

> >>>

> >>> Unquote//

> >>>

> >>> I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the

learned

> >>> members.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks and Best Regards

> >>> Neelam

> >>>

> >>

> >

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February 14, 2009

Dear Punit ji,

There is indeed a strong relationship

between a planetâ€™s dignity and its position in shodashvargas, if I may also

assert what youâ€™ve said. A wealth of information is revealed in such an

analysis. I am glad to share a summary table with the group for dignities of

planets in different vargas, when they are at their point of exaltation and

debilitation.

Exaltation in Rashi

In

vargas

Sun

Moon

Mars

Mercury

Jupiter

Venus

Saturn

Exalted

3

3,4,30

7

-

2,3,4,20

7,9

45

Own

sign

2

30,40

7,20,40

-

40

7,16,60

Friend's

sign

4,7,9,10,

12,16, 45,60

45

2,60

2,3,9,10,

16, 27,45

9,10,12,

40, 45,60

12,16,20,

27

3,12,20,

30, 40

Neutral

-

3,4,9,10,12,

16, 20,24,

27,45

-

7,16,24,

27, 30

3,24,30,

45

2,24

Enemy's

sign

30,40

3,4,9,10,12, 16,20,24,

27,45

-

2,4,10

-

Debilitated

20

7

-

4,12,30,

60

-

60

4,9,10,27

Debilitated in Rashi

In

vargas

Sun

Moon

Mars

Mercury

Jupiter

Venus

Saturn

Exalted

24

7,30,70

-

4,12,60

2,20

-

4,9,10,

27,45

Own

sign

2

2,9

4,30,40

20,40

12

3

16

Friend's

sign

7,16,27,30

45,60

10,12,27,45

2,3,9,10

2,3,16,

24,27,45

7,24,27,

40,45,60

4,10,16,

20,60

20,30,40

Neutral

-

12,16,20,

24,27

-

9,10,16,

30

12,24,,27,

27,30,45

23,12,24

Enemy's

sign

3,4,9,10

12,40

16,20,24,40

-

7,9,10

-

2

7,60

Debilitated

20

3,4

7

30

3,4

7,9,40

-

Many basic principles get strengthened when

we analyse such concepts, like malefic/benefic nature, their significations,

control over areas of life, etc. In depth analysis throws open many options

which can find use in the predictive, e.g

Sun, the soul, gets deb in Vimshamsha, both in exaltation and

debilitation?Moon, the mind when in dignity, remains exalted in D-4. Why

does a moon with dignity debilitates in saptamsh and and a deb moon exalts

in saptamsh. Why an exalted moon behaves inimically in all vargas?Why is mars important in saptamsh where it maintains dignity,

whereas a deb mars is also deb in D-7.Look at mercury. A deb mercury seems to do better for D-4, D-12

and D-60 while an exalted mercury fails in these departments.An exalted jup is generally good in all departments. But

surprisingly, both exalted and deb. Jupiter promotes spirituality, being

exalted in vimsamsh whether exalted/deb in rashi.Coming to venus, it seems to govern, with mars, the saptamsh

and navmansha, an exalted venus, exalted in navamsh and saptamsh.Take a look at Saturn. Clearly shows that a deb Saturn might be

a good idea. An exalted Saturn does badly in important areas of home

(d-4), spouse (d-9) and work (d-10) while a debilitated Saturn exalts in

these. Any clues?

There are many more such concepts which

emerge from such an examination. I am doing a study on this and will share the

paper with the group once I am through with it. Hope members would find the

table useful to ascertain the inherent strength of planets in different areas

of life. I feel that it is possible to quantify these results by adopting a

proper methodology. I feel that these strengths can be useful in KP also.Best RegardsNeelam

Key to vargas used in the table:

Hora (2)

Dreshkana (3)

Chaturthamsha (4)

Saptamsha (7)

Navamsha (9)

Dashamsha (10)

Dwadashamsha (12)

Shodashamsha (16)

Vimshamsha (20)

Chaturvimshamsha (24)

Saptavimshamsha (27)

Trimshamsha (30)

Khavedamsha (40)

Akshavedamsha (45)

Shashtiamsha (60)

February 14, 2009

Dear Sujata ji,//Its my understanding that we humans are distorted versions of kaal-purusha//I think not 'distorted', but we may be called the 'developing' versions of kaal purusha, different beings at different stages of development. The ultimate purpose of each one of us is to reach a stage where we can become one with the paramatma who is kaal purusha himself.

RegardsNeelam2009/2/13 sujata das <sujatadash1

Dear NeelamAries stands for head of Kaal- purusha.Sun in ke (knowledge) takes him towards enlightenment that is why the sub is sat (moksha-karaka) Its my understanding that we humans are distorted versions of kaal-purusha and must persue enlightenment. The pain and suffering that we undergo as humans is to repay our debts and learn lessons and become pure

RegardsSujata--- On Thu, 12/2/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP

Thursday, 12 February, 2009, 1:56 PM

Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.

If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.

Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam

2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Dear Neelam

You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star.

Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it.

During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP

@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//

This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard.. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works.. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//

Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam

2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

Dear Neelam Gupta

Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.

Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM

Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,

//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying

//…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.

//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign:

only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama

when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and

when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner:

if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated

If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not

If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//

I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam

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February 17, 2009

Dear Neelam ji,Sorry, I was not able to respond to your email earlier. I must say that this is a very useful tabulation and an in interesting study. I am looking forward to it. Thanks & Regards,

Punit PandeyOn Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 4:43 PM, neelamgupta106 <neelamgupta07 wrote: