Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that, //the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant. //QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign:only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, andwhen the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitatedIf the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is notIf the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there. Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Sirs and Madams, Definitely, there is clear evidence in the quote that exaltation and debilitation concept very much exists in KP. This is of use when we compare among the Owner of the house and the occupants. Even if there are mulltiple occupants the strongest one may be determined by its exaltation in the sign. The ones that are not exalted are weaker than the others. But this is a sign based observation only. The occupants may be in different constellation and the portfoleo differs. According to each one's portfoleo they ar to be compared again. Thirdly the sub they occupy has to be examined if a planet is beneficial or otherwise for the particular mater. Dr. Rath. neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:47:33 PM exaltation/debilitation in KP Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth// Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that, //the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant. //QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote// I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Mr.Rath, The shadbala strength of each planet is sign based of its occupancy. Then the planet's strength based on its starlord and sublord as to their benefic and malefic nature. It may be much useful and effective, if we can evolve a FORMULA to calculate the total strength of each planet based on its occupation as above, sign, star and sub. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Wed, 11/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 9:07 PM Dear Sirs and Madams, Definitely, there is clear evidence in the quote that exaltation and debilitation concept very much exists in KP. This is of use when we compare among the Owner of the house and the occupants. Even if there are mulltiple occupants the strongest one may be determined by its exaltation in the sign. The ones that are not exalted are weaker than the others. But this is a sign based observation only. The occupants may be in different constellation and the portfoleo differs. According to each one's portfoleo they ar to be compared again. Thirdly the sub they occupy has to be examined if a planet is beneficial or otherwise for the particular mater. Dr. Rath. neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009 6:47:33 PM exaltation/debilita tion in KP Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations. If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy. Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.// This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth// Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that, //the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant. //QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote// I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Dhanabalan ji,Astrology should be universal in application, as far as possible. We cannot base our judgment on some phenomenon happening in a restricted area. In how many places would sun stroke happen when sun is in Aries at 10 deg? Even in India, north and south will experience a different SUN. Sun at all three zodiac points should be strong enough but may not signify the same things in different locations. We could surely take the clue from star lords tattwa (earth-fire-air in ari-leo-sag). But without a strong basis and research backing, we cannot doubt the classics. The whole concept perhaps should be studied from the perspective of strength of planets in different positions as governed by their star lords. One can try and evaluate it and develop a quantitative formula since there are limited positions and combinations and permutations could be handled. Thanks and RegardsNeelam2009/2/12 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations. If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy. Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.// This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth// Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that, //the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant. //QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote// I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Neelam gupta Our syatem is Nirayana. Western system is sayana. The difference between the two system is ayanamsa value. But the difference in planets exaltation position in western and vedic is not ayanamsa value. It differs. Why? Which is correct. Vedic or western? Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 10:01 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji,Astrology should be universal in application, as far as possible. We cannot base our judgment on some phenomenon happening in a restricted area. In how many places would sun stroke happen when sun is in Aries at 10 deg? Even in India, north and south will experience a different SUN. Sun at all three zodiac points should be strong enough but may not signify the same things in different locations. We could surely take the clue from star lords tattwa (earth-fire- air in ari-leo-sag) . But without a strong basis and research backing, we cannot doubt the classics.The whole concept perhaps should be studied from the perspective of strength of planets in different positions as governed by their star lords. One can try and evaluate it and develop a quantitative formula since there are limited positions and combinations and permutations could be handled. Thanks and RegardsNeelam 2009/2/12 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Friends,Finding a reference to some concept doesn't mean that the concept can be classified as KP. Shri KSK has sound knowledge of Hindu and Western astrology and he used to various concepts here and there. I think we will find everything in readers like exaltation-debilitation, astha, avastha, shodashvarga, kaalchakra dasa, ashtakvarga, yoga, hora, 108 based horary, progression etc. We need to understand the progression of KP then only we can understand KP. In my opinion, whatever has been consistantly used by him, that only can be classified as KP. So my suggestion is to look for the reference " in examples " that too " at mulitiple places " to start calling a concept as KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM, hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh wrote: , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: > > Dear Mr.Rath, >  > The shadbala strength of each planet is sign based of its occupancy. Then the planet's strength based on its starlord and sublord as to their benefic and malefic nature. > It may be much useful and effective, if we can evolve a FORMULA to calculate the total strength of each planet based on its occupation as above, sign, star and sub. >  > Naidu KP >  >  >     > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Luther Rath <rathluther > Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP > > Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 9:07 PM > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs and Madams, > Definitely, there is clear evidence in the quote that exaltation and debilitation concept very much exists in KP. > This is of use when we compare among the Owner of the house and the occupants. Even if there are mulltiple occupants the strongest one may be determined by its exaltation in the sign. The ones that are not exalted are weaker than the others. But this is a sign based observation only. The occupants may be in different constellation and the portfoleo differs. According to each one's portfoleo they ar to be compared again. Thirdly the sub they occupy has to be examined if a planet is beneficial or otherwise for the particular mater. > Dr. Rath. > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:47:33 PM > exaltation/debilita tion in KP > > > > Dear Sirs, > > I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue. > > e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that, > //the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.// > > TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying > //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.// > > I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant. > > //Quote > > The occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: > > only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama > when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and > when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: > > > if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated > If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not > If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote// > > I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. > > Thanks and Best Regards > Neelam > Prof.Krishnamurthi has several times in his writings rejected the concept of exaltation and debilitation of planets.I cannot quote reader and page no.but it is there.So raising this issue is not going to serve any purpose except to confuse learners.It will be far better to concentrate our energy and time to find out how KP works in actual practice.If we cannot read a persons progress in life from his horoscope with the help of laid down principles(K.P.)then we have missed something is the conclusion.It is better to bring such horoscopes for discussion so that senior K.P. Astrologers can throw light on where mistake has occurred and all will be benefited.Another thing Krishnamurthiji assertd was that all things in life happen according to horoscope.Converse of this is that if a particular event has occurred in a persons life e.g.accident and we do not see it the horoscope then we should find out if tob is correct etc.If all the heads put together cannot explain important happenings in a persons life then and then only such discussion would be worthwhile. > > Suresh Hattangadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Sure Punit ji, got your point. An example is always better than precept. Best Regards Neelam 2009/2/12 Punit Pandey <punitp Dear Friends,Finding a reference to some concept doesn't mean that the concept can be classified as KP. Shri KSK has sound knowledge of Hindu and Western astrology and he used to various concepts here and there. I think we will find everything in readers like exaltation-debilitation, astha, avastha, shodashvarga, kaalchakra dasa, ashtakvarga, yoga, hora, 108 based horary, progression etc. We need to understand the progression of KP then only we can understand KP. In my opinion, whatever has been consistantly used by him, that only can be classified as KP. So my suggestion is to look for the reference " in examples " that too " at mulitiple places " to start calling a concept as KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM, hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh wrote: , " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote: > > Dear Mr.Rath, >  > The shadbala strength of each planet is sign based of its occupancy. Then the planet's strength based on its starlord and sublord as to their benefic and malefic nature. > It may be much useful and effective, if we can evolve a FORMULA to calculate the total strength of each planet based on its occupation as above, sign, star and sub. >  > Naidu KP >  >  >     > > K. P. Naidu, > Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., > Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, > VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. > Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Luther Rath <rathluther > Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP > > Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 9:07 PM > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs and Madams, > Definitely, there is clear evidence in the quote that exaltation and debilitation concept very much exists in KP. > This is of use when we compare among the Owner of the house and the occupants. Even if there are mulltiple occupants the strongest one may be determined by its exaltation in the sign. The ones that are not exalted are weaker than the others. But this is a sign based observation only. The occupants may be in different constellation and the portfoleo differs. According to each one's portfoleo they ar to be compared again. Thirdly the sub they occupy has to be examined if a planet is beneficial or otherwise for the particular mater. > Dr. Rath. > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:47:33 PM > exaltation/debilita tion in KP > > > > Dear Sirs, > > I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue. > > e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that, > //the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.// > > TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying > //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.// > > I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant. > > //Quote > > The occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: > > only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama > when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and > when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: > > > if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated > If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not > If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote// > > I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. > > Thanks and Best Regards > Neelam > Prof.Krishnamurthi has several times in his writings rejected the concept of exaltation and debilitation of planets.I cannot quote reader and page no.but it is there.So raising this issue is not going to serve any purpose except to confuse learners.It will be far better to concentrate our energy and time to find out how KP works in actual practice.If we cannot read a persons progress in life from his horoscope with the help of laid down principles(K.P.)then we have missed something is the conclusion.It is better to bring such horoscopes for discussion so that senior K.P. Astrologers can throw light on where mistake has occurred and all will be benefited.Another thing Krishnamurthiji assertd was that all things in life happen according to horoscope.Converse of this is that if a particular event has occurred in a persons life e.g.accident and we do not see it the horoscope then we should find out if tob is correct etc.If all the heads put together cannot explain important happenings in a persons life then and then only such discussion would be worthwhile. > > Suresh Hattangadi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Neelamji, Namasthe. Regarding Sun-Stroke I shall be posting my views in few days time as I have to calculate some thing. Sun-Stroke is because of heat and humidity. Heat is from Sun one and all knows it. Humidity could be related to Saturn as that is the planet that is cold. It condenses the water vapors in gasious form high up in the atmosphere. By cooling and condensation the water particles become heavier and comes down and down on the surface of the earth thereby effecting the climate and causing Mansoon wind and rain. At this moment of time I can say this much. I shall post details later. With regards. Dr. Rath. neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:31:41 PMRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Dear Dhanabalan ji,Astrology should be universal in application, as far as possible. We cannot base our judgment on some phenomenon happening in a restricted area.. In how many places would sun stroke happen when sun is in Aries at 10 deg? Even in India, north and south will experience a different SUN. Sun at all three zodiac points should be strong enough but may not signify the same things in different locations. We could surely take the clue from star lords tattwa (earth-fire- air in ari-leo-sag) . But without a strong basis and research backing, we cannot doubt the classics.The whole concept perhaps should be studied from the perspective of strength of planets in different positions as governed by their star lords. One can try and evaluate it and develop a quantitative formula since there are limited positions and combinations and permutations could be handled. Thanks and RegardsNeelam 2009/2/12 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star.. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions..RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Respected Sir, I agree to what you say. We should evolve a formula to formulate some numerical value of strength for each each planet for each house it signifies. What could be the ways and means to do that? Dr. Rath hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:31:21 PM Re: exaltation/debilitation in KP @gro ups.com, "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr.Rath,>  > The shadbala strength of each planet is sign based of its occupancy.Then the planet's strength based on its starlord and sublord as totheir benefic and malefic nature. > It may be much useful and effective, if we can evolve a FORMULA tocalculate the total strength of each planet based on its occupationas above, sign, star and sub.>  > Naidu KP>  >  >     > > K. P. Naidu,> Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,> Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta,> VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.> Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 9:07 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs and Madams,> Definitely, there is clear evidence in the quote that exaltation anddebilitation concept very much exists in KP.> This is of use when we compare among the Owner of the house and theoccupants. Even if there are mulltiple occupants the strongest one maybe determined by its exaltation in the sign. The ones that are notexalted are weaker than the others. But this is a sign basedobservation only. The occupants may be in different constellation andthe portfoleo differs. According to each one's portfoleo they ar to becompared again. Thirdly the sub they occupy has to be examined if aplanet is beneficial or otherwise for the particular mater.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:47:33 PM> exaltation/debilita tion in KP> > > > Dear Sirs,> > I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept ofexaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions weredivided and there was no consensus on the issue.> > e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some referencesand said that,> //the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannotbe ruled out.//> > TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying > //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation anddebilitation are not valid in KP.//> > I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judgingits strength as lord/occupant.> > //Quote> > The occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: > > only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength byoccupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama> when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or isoccupying the other sign, and> when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its ownsign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner:> > > if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated> If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not> If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own signand the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is inswakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottamathere.Unquote/ /> > I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from thelearned members. > > Thanks and Best Regards> Neelam> Prof.Krishnamurthi has several times in his writings rejected theconcept of exaltation and debilitation of planets.I cannot quotereader and page no.but it is there.So raising this issue is not goingto serve any purpose except to confuse learners.It will be far betterto concentrate our energy and time to find out how KP works in actualpractice.If we cannot read a persons progress in life from hishoroscope with the help of laid down principles(K. P.)then we havemissed something is the conclusion.It is better to bring suchhoroscopes for discussion so that senior K.P. Astrologers can throwlight on where mistake has occurred and all will be benefited.Anotherthing Krishnamurthiji assertd was that all things in life happenaccording to horoscope.Converse of this is that if a particular eventhas occurred in a persons life e.g.accident and we do not see it thehoroscope then we should find out if tob is correct etc.If all theheads put together cannot explain important happenings in a personslife then and then only such discussion would be worthwhile. > > Suresh Hattangadi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go tohttp://messenger. / invite/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Gopalkrishnanji, The Sun transits on the Equator (0 degree) on 22/23 March every year. Then there is Uttarayana and in 3 months time i.e.22/23 June it reches 23.5 degree north. This latitude crosses roughly through Gujurat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar West Bengal. So in these areas the Sun remains on top of head during this period. These areas experience the maximum Summer climate in this period. The southern states of India experience for longer period. The Sun then begins it Dakshinayana and reaches on Equator some time 22/23 September. So during this period northern part of South Amarica and middle part of Africa experience summer. Sun continue its Dakshinayana and in 3 months time i.e. 22/23 December it reaches 23.5 degrees South. This zone crossed through middle of Australis. So Australia expeiences extreme hot during this period. Thus when we have summer here Australia has winter and when we have winter Australia has summer. Hence Australia experiences Sun-stroke during December, January or February. This also depends on the humidity of atmosphere. When humidity is less the heat is maximum. I hope I am clear. Dr. Rath Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:04:31 PMRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Dr. Luther Ji, Many thanks for the explanation. The reason I wrote my previous mail on this subject is to raise the doubt on the statement made by Mr. Dhanabalan Ji on the exaltation. He had made the statement that sun strokes happen in the month of May when Sun is in the star of Sun. This could be true for India in the month of May and not for countries in the southern latitudes. As I have seen for Australia, this agni nakshtram could be in the months of Jan/Feb as Sun is transiting in Sun's star in Sagittarius and Capricorn signs. Thanks again and Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:53 AM Dear Gopalkrishnanji, The Sun transits on the Equator (0 degree) on 22/23 March every year. Then there is Uttarayana and in 3 months time i.e.22/23 June it reches 23.5 degree north. This latitude crosses roughly through Gujurat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar West Bengal. So in these areas the Sun remains on top of head during this period. These areas experience the maximum Summer climate in this period. The southern states of India experience for longer period. The Sun then begins it Dakshinayana and reaches on Equator some time 22/23 September. So during this period northern part of South Amarica and middle part of Africa experience summer. Sun continue its Dakshinayana and in 3 months time i.e. 22/23 December it reaches 23.5 degrees South. This zone crossed through middle of Australis. So Australia expeiences extreme hot during this period. Thus when we have summer here Australia has winter and when we have winter Australia has summer. Hence Australia experiences Sun-stroke during December, January or February. This also depends on the humidity of atmosphere. When humidity is less the heat is maximum. I hope I am clear. Dr. Rath Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009 3:04:31 PMRe: exaltation/debilita tion in KP How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Luther Good explanation. Earth is revolving around the Sun. Since the earth is tilted about 23.5 degrees, the summer season varies from place to place. Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 4:53 AM Dear Gopalkrishnanji, The Sun transits on the Equator (0 degree) on 22/23 March every year. Then there is Uttarayana and in 3 months time i.e.22/23 June it reches 23.5 degree north. This latitude crosses roughly through Gujurat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar West Bengal. So in these areas the Sun remains on top of head during this period. These areas experience the maximum Summer climate in this period. The southern states of India experience for longer period. The Sun then begins it Dakshinayana and reaches on Equator some time 22/23 September. So during this period northern part of South Amarica and middle part of Africa experience summer. Sun continue its Dakshinayana and in 3 months time i.e. 22/23 December it reaches 23.5 degrees South. This zone crossed through middle of Australis. So Australia expeiences extreme hot during this period. Thus when we have summer here Australia has winter and when we have winter Australia has summer. Hence Australia experiences Sun-stroke during December, January or February. This also depends on the humidity of atmosphere. When humidity is less the heat is maximum. I hope I am clear. Dr. Rath Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009 3:04:31 PMRe: exaltation/debilita tion in KP How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dr ruth is right, if you use the Sayana Sytem. If using Nirayana system, the dates will at present shown as being 24 days ahead of this(ayanamsa} and is also shown thus in Pangangas ,except Tamilian Panchangs raichur anant --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 10:23 AM Dear Gopalkrishnanji, The Sun transits on the Equator (0 degree) on 22/23 March every year. Then there is Uttarayana and in 3 months time i.e.22/23 June it reches 23.5 degree north. This latitude crosses roughly through Gujurat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar West Bengal. So in these areas the Sun remains on top of head during this period. These areas experience the maximum Summer climate in this period. The southern states of India experience for longer period. The Sun then begins it Dakshinayana and reaches on Equator some time 22/23 September. So during this period northern part of South Amarica and middle part of Africa experience summer. Sun continue its Dakshinayana and in 3 months time i.e. 22/23 December it reaches 23.5 degrees South. This zone crossed through middle of Australis. So Australia expeiences extreme hot during this period. Thus when we have summer here Australia has winter and when we have winter Australia has summer. Hence Australia experiences Sun-stroke during December, January or February. This also depends on the humidity of atmosphere. When humidity is less the heat is maximum. I hope I am clear. Dr. Rath Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 3:04:31 PMRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Raichurji What is the difference in Tamilian panchanga when compared to other panchanga used in North India. Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 7:15 AM Dr ruth is right, if you use the Sayana Sytem. If using Nirayana system, the dates will at present shown as being 24 days ahead of this(ayanamsa} and is also shown thus in Pangangas ,except Tamilian Panchangs raichur anant --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comFriday, 13 February, 2009, 10:23 AM Dear Gopalkrishnanji, The Sun transits on the Equator (0 degree) on 22/23 March every year. Then there is Uttarayana and in 3 months time i.e.22/23 June it reches 23.5 degree north. This latitude crosses roughly through Gujurat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar West Bengal. So in these areas the Sun remains on top of head during this period. These areas experience the maximum Summer climate in this period. The southern states of India experience for longer period. The Sun then begins it Dakshinayana and reaches on Equator some time 22/23 September. So during this period northern part of South Amarica and middle part of Africa experience summer. Sun continue its Dakshinayana and in 3 months time i.e. 22/23 December it reaches 23.5 degrees South. This zone crossed through middle of Australis. So Australia expeiences extreme hot during this period. Thus when we have summer here Australia has winter and when we have winter Australia has summer. Hence Australia experiences Sun-stroke during December, January or February. This also depends on the humidity of atmosphere. When humidity is less the heat is maximum. I hope I am clear. Dr. Rath Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009 3:04:31 PMRe: exaltation/debilita tion in KP How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Tamil Panchans : the new year starts with the Tmilian NEW YEAR, and the Moths have Tamilian Names. They use the Sayana sustem North the Panchanga is Nirayan, and New Year starts with Nirayan New Yers. Some panchangs USE Pradipada (1st) as staring of the month. Some use 16th thitthi as start of month in North. raichur anant --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 1:18 PM Dear Raichurji What is the difference in Tamilian panchanga when compared to other panchanga used in North India. Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 7:15 AM Dr ruth is right, if you use the Sayana Sytem. If using Nirayana system, the dates will at present shown as being 24 days ahead of this(ayanamsa} and is also shown thus in Pangangas ,except Tamilian Panchangs raichur anant --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comFriday, 13 February, 2009, 10:23 AM Dear Gopalkrishnanji, The Sun transits on the Equator (0 degree) on 22/23 March every year. Then there is Uttarayana and in 3 months time i.e.22/23 June it reches 23.5 degree north. This latitude crosses roughly through Gujurat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar West Bengal. So in these areas the Sun remains on top of head during this period. These areas experience the maximum Summer climate in this period. The southern states of India experience for longer period. The Sun then begins it Dakshinayana and reaches on Equator some time 22/23 September. So during this period northern part of South Amarica and middle part of Africa experience summer. Sun continue its Dakshinayana and in 3 months time i.e. 22/23 December it reaches 23.5 degrees South. This zone crossed through middle of Australis. So Australia expeiences extreme hot during this period. Thus when we have summer here Australia has winter and when we have winter Australia has summer. Hence Australia experiences Sun-stroke during December, January or February. This also depends on the humidity of atmosphere. When humidity is less the heat is maximum. I hope I am clear. Dr. Rath Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009 3:04:31 PMRe: exaltation/debilita tion in KP How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 I just explained it so, for understanding the phenominon. The dates are definitely not accurate and not converted to nirayana. So was it. Dr. Rath Raichur-a-r <raichurar Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:45:27 PMRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Dr ruth is right, if you use the Sayana Sytem. If using Nirayana system, the dates will at present shown as being 24 days ahead of this(ayanamsa} and is also shown thus in Pangangas ,except Tamilian Panchangs raichur anant --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comFriday, 13 February, 2009, 10:23 AM Dear Gopalkrishnanji, The Sun transits on the Equator (0 degree) on 22/23 March every year. Then there is Uttarayana and in 3 months time i.e.22/23 June it reches 23.5 degree north. This latitude crosses roughly through Gujurat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar West Bengal. So in these areas the Sun remains on top of head during this period. These areas experience the maximum Summer climate in this period. The southern states of India experience for longer period. The Sun then begins it Dakshinayana and reaches on Equator some time 22/23 September. So during this period northern part of South Amarica and middle part of Africa experience summer. Sun continue its Dakshinayana and in 3 months time i.e. 22/23 December it reaches 23.5 degrees South. This zone crossed through middle of Australis. So Australia expeiences extreme hot during this period. Thus when we have summer here Australia has winter and when we have winter Australia has summer. Hence Australia experiences Sun-stroke during December, January or February. This also depends on the humidity of atmosphere. When humidity is less the heat is maximum. I hope I am clear. Dr. Rath Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009 3:04:31 PMRe: exaltation/debilita tion in KP How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun.. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back.. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Dhanabalanji, Thank you for your comments. The effect is due to the said tilt only. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:37:21 PMRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Dear Luther Good explanation. Earth is revolving around the Sun. Since the earth is tilted about 23.5 degrees, the summer season varies from place to place. Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009, 4:53 AM Dear Gopalkrishnanji, The Sun transits on the Equator (0 degree) on 22/23 March every year. Then there is Uttarayana and in 3 months time i.e.22/23 June it reches 23.5 degree north. This latitude crosses roughly through Gujurat, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar West Bengal. So in these areas the Sun remains on top of head during this period. These areas experience the maximum Summer climate in this period. The southern states of India experience for longer period. The Sun then begins it Dakshinayana and reaches on Equator some time 22/23 September. So during this period northern part of South Amarica and middle part of Africa experience summer. Sun continue its Dakshinayana and in 3 months time i.e. 22/23 December it reaches 23.5 degrees South. This zone crossed through middle of Australis. So Australia expeiences extreme hot during this period. Thus when we have summer here Australia has winter and when we have winter Australia has summer. Hence Australia experiences Sun-stroke during December, January or February. This also depends on the humidity of atmosphere. When humidity is less the heat is maximum. I hope I am clear. Dr. Rath Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer <subragops3 >@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009 3:04:31 PMRe: exaltation/debilita tion in KP How about for people living in Australia (southern latitude) where the sun-strokes occur during the months of Jan/Feb? Any explanations? Regards--- On Thu, 2/12/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 4:09 PM Dear Neelam Sun strokes occur in the month of May when Sun is in Sun star mostly, as you said 26.40 degree in Aries and not in other point in Leo or Saggitarious. There is no Sun stroke when the Sun is at 10 degrees in Aries, which is exaltation point. It is what I said in my earlier posting that I am accepting the exaltation but not the exaltation degree. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 8:26 AM Dear Sir,The exaltation point of Sun at 10 deg Aries, it will fall in Ketu's star, saturn's Sub and ketu's sub-sub.I am not very sure on what basis the degrees have been assigned as per classics, though we may give various explainations.If the exaltation has to be in Sun's stars, it will be at 26.40 deg Aries which falls in sun-sun-sun.. But Krittika has earthy tattwa.What about the position of Sun in Leo and Sagi at 26.40, in Uph and Ush when it comes in sun-sun-sun? Of these Uph has firy tattwa but again Ush is airy.Do you think these points are also equivalent to exaltation?Thank you for sharing your views and opening a line of thought.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP @gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.com Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back.. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Daer Dhanabalanji, To express more correctly, I say that the Sun transits over head in northern hemisphere in summer and inclined in winter when it transits over head in southern hemisphere. Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are nearer to earth when they are opposite to the Sun; and they are farther away when they are towards the Sun. Regarding Venus and Mercury, the infirior planets, they are nearer the earth when they are in direct in motion and farther away when they are retrograde. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:11:35 PMRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star.. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. Thanks and Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Luther You may be correct. Planets including earth move in elliptical path around the Sun. So the distance between the Sun and planets vary. When the planet is close to the Sun, the planet's speed is more and vice versa. Yesterday I further checked. The exaltation is not connected with the distance from the earth. Exaltation is a sensitive point in the zodiac. Astronomy and astrology are based on galaxy only. But galaxy itself has self rotation and it revolves. So there is a possibility for change of exaltation point. Only NASA has to verify. Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: exaltation/debilitation in KP Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:57 AM Daer Dhanabalanji, To express more correctly, I say that the Sun transits over head in northern hemisphere in summer and inclined in winter when it transits over head in southern hemisphere. Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are nearer to earth when they are opposite to the Sun; and they are farther away when they are towards the Sun. Regarding Venus and Mercury, the infirior planets, they are nearer the earth when they are in direct in motion and farther away when they are retrograde. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009 11:11:35 PMRe: exaltation/debilita tion in KP Dear Neelam You can study yourself with Sun. The exaltation degree is 10 for sun. i.e. It will fall on the 10th day of Tamil first month. Confirm whether the agni nakshatra falls on 10th day of Tamil first month? Whether the exaltation is in Sun star, Sun sub, Sun Subsub. Sun is strong in its own star and sub. 10th degree in Aries falls in Ketu star.. Not only Mr.KSK, most of the astrologers have not verified it. During Summer, the Sun is closer to earth. During winter, the Sun is away from earth. It is applicable for all planets. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 5:17 PM Dear Dhanabalan ji,I thank you for sharing your views.//I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus.//This has added to the confusion Sir. Vedic and western degrees are standard. But aren't these positions the same which KSK has considered in his works. //At exaltation point, the planets supposed to be closer to the earth//Are we talking about Sun or all planets? Please be kind enough to give a clear directions.RegardsNeelam 2009/2/11 Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > Dear Neelam Gupta Definition for exaltation is that the planet's strength would be maximum, i.e. twice that of its own sign. At exaltation point, the planets soppose to be closer to the earth and the rays are to be perpendicular to the earth. On my study with Sun, the exaltation degree is not coincided with Sun's maximum power during April/May (Agni nakshatra) as mentioned in Panchanga. I do accept that there is exaltation and debilitation but I am not sure of the degrees mentioned in Vedic and Western. The exaltation point for Sun may fall in Taraus. Dhanabalan. --- On Wed, 2/11/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> exaltation/debilita tion in KP@gro ups.comWednesday, February 11, 2009, 1:17 PM Dear Sirs,I recall your attention to the discussions held on the concept of exaltation/ debilitation, etc in KP some time back. The opinions were divided and there was no consensus on the issue.e.g. Dhanabalan ji supported the concept by giving some references and said that,//the concept of exaltation and debilitation exist in KP. It cannot be ruled out.//TW ji seemed doubtful about the concept saying //…it is generally understood that combustion or exaltation and debilitation are not valid in KP.//I am quoting below from the Reader III, 2005 edition, pg. 465-466 where KSK has clearly used the exaltation/deb of the planet in judging its strength as lord/occupant.//QuoteThe occupant is stronger than the owner of the sign: only when the lord of the sign does not gain more strength by occupying its exalted sign or by being vargottama when the lord of the sign is not conjoined with the planet or is occupying the other sign, and when the occupant is exalted, whether the owner is in own its own sign, or exalted or vargottamaThe occupant is weaker than the owner: if the occupant is in enemy's sign, or neecha or debilitated If the lord of the sign is exalted and the occupant is not If the lord of the sign is conjoined with the planet in its own sign and the occupant is not exalted there, i.e. the owner is in swakshetra, whereas the occupant is neither exalted, nor vargottama there.Unquote//I shall be grateful for further guidance on the above from the learned members. 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