Cusp V/S Bhava

February 16, 2009

Dear Dharmendra Kumar

If it is so, what is the purpose of giving orb of 5 degree on each side of cusp by Mr.KSK.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/15/09, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:

Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 6:11 PM

Hello All,

There is nothing like strogest or weakest point in KP. It is the same thing we are going back to the traditional method which is absolutely inaccurate. The begining of Bhava or say cusp decides everything if it is strong or weak, nothing else.

Thanks,D K BhaskarMob.: 91-9910048040

"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT."--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, 14 February, 2009, 8:36 PM

Dear Luther

In KP, the cusp point(beginning of each house) is the strongest point. Where is the weakest point in a house. It is not according to star and sub. It is not some sensitive points like exaltation.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 2:22 PM

Respected Dhanabalanji,

I do not remember to have read any where in KP that certain point in a Bhava is strong or weak. Yes, it is written that certain planets offer result when they are at the begining of a Bhava, others at the middle and some others when they are leaving the Bhava. But I don't thing that this was supported by KSK himself. It was only a mention. The strength is the sub lord the planet occupies, and the signification of the sub lord.

Dr. Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 5:49:34 PMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

Dear Luther

Traditional Bhavamathi and KP cusp are same. No confusion in it. Traditional Bhavamathi and KP Cusp points are the strongest points. No confusion in it. How much orb has to be taken is under debate. KP says 5 degrees. Tradition says 15 degrees.

Tradition bhavasanthi is the weakest point. A planet in bhavasanthi gives 50% result to either side of bhava. So it is considered as weak for both bhavas.

In KP, the first degree of each house is the strongest. My question is where is the weakest point in KP house.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 11:04 AM

Dear Bohraji,

I believe 'Bhavamadhya' is the correct point to be considered for the cusp. Let us wait for openion of seniors.

Regards

Dr. Rath

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 9:05:19 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

Dear Punitji,DR.Luther, Dhanbalanji and Twji,My question is remain unanswered.Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is veryimportant this point to take because cuspal starlord,sub,sub- sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like inQuiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st, 6th cuspal to get rightindication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting thewrong point than whole picture will wrong.Where the cusp star lord,sub.... . are strongest significant forparticular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where theparticular house started and where end)is consider,when a planetfallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significantof that house.If we are taking houses signification as pertradition(As 6th house signification) than we consider the traditionalor What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system

isdifferent(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditionalsystem,it all most 15degree difference.If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are takingBhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as thisposition,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant aredifferent as star lord,sun.... etc,result will different.We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said andpredicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right?In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub.... etc tocalculate,where house(Bhava) is strongest significator for thatcusp(House,Bhava) .Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > > > 1. It is

found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house> ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below:> > > > 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para> > Moon suggests> > (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be> contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your> mind.> > > > 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para:> > What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to> the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is> the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.)> > > > 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous> house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp> the planet is very close, the

result of the next house may not be> effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or> negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV,> Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by> conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is> open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs> of cuspal influence.> > > > 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses> only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in> the File section under:> > Planet near the House Cusp.doc><http://f1.grp. fs.com/ v1/EKeVSaWxhGlKL zw6X6Q3NQQgE2BQu BalwU6WzuWac1\>P1-FXzYhvLgtBfquDlh fZCxakiMiIMEgtDN

8GC-Br5YUJA1Q/ Planet%20near% 20the%20H\> ouse%20Cusp. doc>> A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> >> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the> excerpt> > -> >> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> > *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid> form> > or wave form. *> > * *> > *We must note

that when it comes to particle and their effects, there> is> > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind> even> > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> > demonstrates uncertainties. *> > * *> > *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> > defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> > scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the> theories> > based on that. *> >> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is> closer> > to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th> house, the> > planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude

that> the> > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of> first> > house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results> of the> > first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the> twelth> > house.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > > Respected Sirs,> > > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is> between two> > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other> for few> > > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few> degrees> > > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > > Dr. Rath>

> >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > *To:* @gro ups.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant> point and> > > First cusp starting point should be same//> > > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5> degree,> > > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result> to the> > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the> midpoint of> > > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi

in> tradition.> > >> > > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken> as 15> > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In> fixing> > > the orb only the two system differs.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> > >> > > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >> > > Dear Punitji,> > >> > > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > > same.Astrology is

divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle> of> > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life> or> > > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one> end> > > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first> house> > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> > >> > > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the> house?.In> > > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >

>> > > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > > the matter for me.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> Punit> > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > > >> > > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if> we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident)> as> >

> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > > research,> > > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct> house> > > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra)> used in> > > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement> in> > > the way> > > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > > position> > > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system> only.> > > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very> well> > > in KP> > > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> >

> >> > > >> > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > theory behind it?> > > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses> meet. So> > > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > > >> > > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > > >> > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st)

started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and> Lagna> > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these> two,if we> > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro> accident) as> > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > >> > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > > theory behind it?> > > > >> > > > > Please guide me.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>

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February 16, 2009

Dear Mr. Dharmendra ,

// It is the same thing we are going back to the traditional method

which is absolutely inaccurate. //

This is an absolutely erroneous statement which is unagreeable, and

causing hurt to members like me who consider the Traditional as a parent

to KP. The sons may be smarter than the father, but the father cannot be

called totally inaccurate as mentioned by You. It is not as if before

KP, the tradititonalists were all idiots and could not predict. No Sir,

this cannot be and is not acceptable. before commenting in this manner

on the Traditional system, or in any system of any science, one has to

become an expert in same, and then give or pass a judgement.

// The begining of Bhava or say cusp decides everything if it is strong

or weak, nothing else. //

If You are talking of KP, then this too fits in the Traditional where

they consider the planets near the midpoint as the strongest,. This

difference is that this midpoint becomes the begiining of the Cusp in

KP. So what can we call wrong here ? Traditional or KP ? Boss,

nothing is wrong here. There are smart astrologers in all systems

whether KP or Traditional. KP is a just a condensed portion of the milk

and the cream of the Traditional Parashari. Neither is the condensed

portion to be forsaken and neother the whole. Both are equally

important. Both have their uses and applications. In fact both must

complement each other like a Father and son. .

Bhaskar.

, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7

wrote:

>

> Hello All,There is nothing like strogest or weakest point in KP. It is

the same thing we are going back to the traditional method which is

absolutely inaccurate. The begining of Bhava or say cusp decides

everything if it is strong or weak, nothing else.

>

> Thanks,

> D K Bhaskar

> Mob.: 91-9910048040

>

> " Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT. "

>

> --- On Sat, 14/2/09, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan wrote:

> Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan

> Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

>

> Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 8:36 PM

>

Dear Luther

> In KP, the cusp point(beginning of each house) is the strongest point.

Where is the weakest point in a house. It is not according to star and

sub. It is not some sensitive points like exaltation.

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:

>

> Luther Rath rathluther >

> Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, February 14, 2009, 2:22 PM

Respected Dhanabalanji,

> I do not remember to have read any where in KP that certain point in a

Bhava is strong or weak. Yes, it is written that certain planets offer

result when they are at the begining of a Bhava, others at the middle

and some others when they are leaving the Bhava. But I don't thing that

this was supported by KSK himself. It was only a mention. The strength

is the sub lord the planet occupies, and the signification of the sub

lord.

> Dr. Rath

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:49:34 PM

> Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

>

> Dear Luther

> Traditional Bhavamathi and KP cusp are same. No confusion in it.

Traditional Bhavamathi and KP Cusp points are the strongest points. No

confusion in it. How much orb has to be taken is under debate. KP says 5

degrees. Tradition says 15 degrees.

> Tradition bhavasanthi is the weakest point. A planet in bhavasanthi

gives 50% result to either side of bhava. So it is considered as weak

for both bhavas.

> In KP, the first degree of each house is the strongest. My question is

where is the weakest point in KP house.

> Dhanabalan

> --- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath rathluther > wrote:

>

> Luther Rath rathluther >

> Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, February 14, 2009, 11:04 AM

Dear Bohraji,

> I believe 'Bhavamadhya' is the correct point to be considered for the

cusp. Let us wait for openion of seniors.

> Regards

> Dr. Rath

msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:05:19 AM

> Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

>

> Dear Punitji,DR.Luther, Dhanbalanji and Twji,

>

> My question is remain unanswered.

>

> Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is very

> important this point to take because cuspal star

> lord,sub,sub- sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like

in

> Quiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st, 6th cuspal to get right

> indication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting the

> wrong point than whole picture will wrong.

>

> Where the cusp star lord,sub.... . are strongest significant for

> particular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where the

> particular house started and where end)is consider,when a planet

> fallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significant

> of that house.If we are taking houses signification as per

> tradition(As 6th house signification) than we consider the traditional

> or What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system

> is

> different(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditional

> system,it all most 15degree difference.

>

> If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are taking

> Bhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as this

> position,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant are

> different as star lord,sun.... etc,result will different.

>

> We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said and

> predicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right?

>

> In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub...etc to

> calculate,where house(Bhava) is strongest significator for that

> cusp(House,Bhava) .

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > 1. It is

> found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house

> > ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below:

> >

> > 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para

> >

> > Moon suggests

> >

> > (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be

> > contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your

> > mind.

> >

> > 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para:

> >

> > What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near

to

> > the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage

which is

> > the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.)

> >

> > 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous

> > house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose

cusp

> > the planet is very close, the

> result of the next house may not be

> > effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or

> > negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV,

> > Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by

> > conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It

is

> > open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the

orbs

> > of cuspal influence.

> >

> > 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses

> > only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses

in

> > the File section under:

> >

> > Planet near the House Cusp.doc

> >

> <http://f1.grp. fs.com/ v1/EKeVSaWxhGlKL zw6X6Q3NQQgE2BQu

BalwU6WzuWac1\

> >

> P1-FXzYhvLgtBfquDlh fZCxakiMiIMEgtDN

> 8GC-Br5YUJA1Q/ Planet%20near% 20the%20H\

> > ouse%20Cusp. doc>

> > A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,

> > >

> > > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at

> > > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here

is the

> > excerpt

> > > -

> > >

> > > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*

> > > *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in

solid

> > form

> > > or wave form. *

> > > * *

> > > *We must note

> that when it comes to particle and their effects, there

> > is

> > > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the

mind

> > even

> > > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies

> > > demonstrates uncertainties. *

> > > * *

> > > *A principle like " Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty " is very

much

> > > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before

clearly

> > > defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last

century

> > > scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the

> > theories

> > > based on that. *

> > >

> > > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement - " Mr.KSK said that if a planet

is

> > closer

> > > to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th

> > house, the

> > > planet offers its result to the first cusp. " , we can not conclude

> that

> > the

> > > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of

> > first

> > > house. Rather, it simply means that planet " will also " offer

results

> > of the

> > > first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the

> > twelth

> > > house.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > Respected Sirs,

> > > > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is

> > between two

> > > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each

other

> > for few

> > > > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few

> > degrees

> > > > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.

> > > > Dr. Rath

> >

> > >

> > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@

> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM

> > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punitji

> > > > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so

ascendant

> > point and

> > > > First cusp starting point should be same//

> > > > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5

> > degree,

> > > > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its

result

> > to the

> > > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the

> > midpoint of

> > > > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi

> in

> > tradition.

> > > >

> > > > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is

taken

> > as 15

> > > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point.

In

> > fixing

> > > > the orb only the two system differs.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:

> > > >

> > > > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punitji,

> > > >

> > > > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for

this

> > > > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be

> > > > same.Astrology is

> divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle

> > of

> > > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this

life

> > or

> > > > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from

one

> > end

> > > > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first

> > house

> > > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.

> > > >

> > > > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP

taking

> > > > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take

> > > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point

of

> > > > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the

> > house?.In

> > > > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider

> > > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.

> > >

> >

> > > > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please

clarify

> > > > the matter for me.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com>,

> > Punit

> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.

> > > > >

> > > > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of

> > ascendant(lagna)

> > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and

Lagna

> > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these

two,if

> > we

> > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro

accident)

> > as

> > >

> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?

> > > > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during

his

> > > > research,

> > > > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct

> > house

> > > > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya

chakra)

> > used in

> > > > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite

advancement

> > in

> > > > the way

> > > > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out

house

> > > > position

> > > > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house

system

> > only.

> > > > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works

very

> > well

> > > > in KP

> > > > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good

results.

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by

> > Placidus

> > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any

thing

> > else

> > > > > theory behind it?

> > > > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two

houses

> > meet. So

> > > > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have some question in my mind as :--

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st)

> started at same point of

> > ascendant(lagna)

> > > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and

> > Lagna

> > > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these

> > two,if we

> > > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro

> > accident) as

> > > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong

track?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by

> > Placidus

> > > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any

thing

> > else

> > > > > > theory behind it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please guide me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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i agree with Bhaskar's noting

raichur anant --- On Sun, 15/2/09, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:

Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Sunday, 15 February, 2009, 11:41 PM

Hello All,

There is nothing like strogest or weakest point in KP. It is the same thing we are going back to the traditional method which is absolutely inaccurate. The begining of Bhava or say cusp decides everything if it is strong or weak, nothing else.

Thanks,D K BhaskarMob.: 91-9910048040

"Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT."--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 8:36 PM

Dear Luther

In KP, the cusp point(beginning of each house) is the strongest point. Where is the weakest point in a house. It is not according to star and sub. It is not some sensitive points like exaltation.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 2:22 PM

Respected Dhanabalanji,

I do not remember to have read any where in KP that certain point in a Bhava is strong or weak. Yes, it is written that certain planets offer result when they are at the begining of a Bhava, others at the middle and some others when they are leaving the Bhava. But I don't thing that this was supported by KSK himself. It was only a mention. The strength is the sub lord the planet occupies, and the signification of the sub lord.

Dr. Rath

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 5:49:34 PMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

Dear Luther

Traditional Bhavamathi and KP cusp are same. No confusion in it. Traditional Bhavamathi and KP Cusp points are the strongest points. No confusion in it. How much orb has to be taken is under debate. KP says 5 degrees. Tradition says 15 degrees.

Tradition bhavasanthi is the weakest point. A planet in bhavasanthi gives 50% result to either side of bhava. So it is considered as weak for both bhavas.

In KP, the first degree of each house is the strongest. My question is where is the weakest point in KP house.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 11:04 AM

Dear Bohraji,

I believe 'Bhavamadhya' is the correct point to be considered for the cusp. Let us wait for openion of seniors.

Regards

Dr. Rath

msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 9:05:19 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava

Dear Punitji,DR.Luther, Dhanbalanji and Twji,My question is remain unanswered.Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is veryimportant this point to take because cuspal starlord,sub,sub- sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like inQuiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st, 6th cuspal to get rightindication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting thewrong point than whole picture will wrong.Where the cusp star lord,sub.... . are strongest significant forparticular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where theparticular house started and where end)is consider,when a planetfallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significantof that house.If we are taking houses signification as pertradition(As 6th house signification) than we consider the traditionalor What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system

isdifferent(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditionalsystem,it all most 15degree difference.If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are takingBhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as thisposition,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant aredifferent as star lord,sun.... etc,result will different.We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said andpredicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right?In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub.....etc tocalculate,where house(Bhava) is strongest significator for thatcusp(House,Bhava) .Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > > > 1. It is