Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear learned KP Astro., I have some question in my mind as :-- 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna) where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub-sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else theory behind it? Please guide me. Thanks, M.S.Bohra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Bohra ji,Please see my answer based on my understanding. 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna) where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his research, Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in the way we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house position even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only. Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well in KP so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results. 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub-sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else theory behind it?Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So this is an 'exact point' and not center etc. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: Dear learned KP Astro., I have some question in my mind as :-- 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna) where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub-sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else theory behind it? Please guide me. Thanks, M.S.Bohra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Dear Punitji, Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view. Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider powerless for that house or it consider in other house. I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify the matter for me. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Bohra ji, > > Please see my answer based on my understanding. > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna) > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his research, > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in the way > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house position > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only. > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well in KP > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results. > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub-sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else > theory behind it? > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: > > > Dear learned KP Astro., > > > > I have some question in my mind as :-- > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna) > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub-sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else > > theory behind it? > > > > Please guide me. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Punitji //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same// Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition. In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing the orb only the two system differs. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM Dear Punitji,Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for thislife so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should besame.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle ofso many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life orfor Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one endof the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first housebeginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP takingcusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to takestarting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point ofcusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.Intraditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it considerpowerless for that house or it consider in other house.I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarifythe matter for me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during hisresearch,> Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement inthe way> we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out houseposition> even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very wellin KP> so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> theory behind it?> *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> >> > I have some question in my mind as :--> >> > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> >> > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > theory behind it?> >> > Please guide me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Respected Sirs, There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same// Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition. In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing the orb only the two system differs. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM Dear Punitji,Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for thislife so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should besame.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle ofso many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life orfor Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one endof the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first housebeginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP takingcusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to takestarting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point ofcusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.Intraditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it considerpowerless for that house or it consider in other house.I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarifythe matter for me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during hisresearch,> Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement inthe way> we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out houseposition> even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very wellin KP> so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> theory behind it?> *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> >> > I have some question in my mind as :--> >> > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> >> > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > theory behind it?> >> > Please guide me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at /message/18714. Here is the excerpt - Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form or wave form. We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies demonstrates uncertainties. A principle like " Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty " is very much required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories based on that. Dhanabalan ji, From this statement - " Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. " , we can not conclude that the planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first house. Rather, it simply means that planet " will also " offer results of the first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth house. Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Respected Sirs, There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same// Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition. In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing the orb only the two system differs. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Cusp V/S Bhava @gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM Dear Punitji,Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for thislife so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should besame.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life orfor Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one endof the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first housebeginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view. Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP takingcusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to takestarting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point ofcusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it considerpowerless for that house or it consider in other house.I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarifythe matter for me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: >> Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during hisresearch,> Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement inthe way> we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house position> even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very wellin KP> so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results. > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> theory behind it?> *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> >> > I have some question in my mind as :--> >> > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? > >> > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > theory behind it?> > > > Please guide me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Luther It is not the line of demarcation. Every object in the world has aura. Every man has aura, every planet has aura, every flower has aura. Distance of aura of a flower can be felt by its smell. A person who acieved rich spiritual experience has aura of more diatance than an ordinary person. Every planet has gravitational force like earth but the distance differ. Gravitational force will be maximum on the earth and decrese with distance and it will be zero at some point. So planet has orb according to their energy level. Cuspal points are imaginary sensitive points like Rahu/Ketu. So the sensitive points have the orb. The cuspal points are not on approximation but exact. Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 11:12 AM Respected Sirs, There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same// Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition. In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing the orb only the two system differs. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM Dear Punitji,Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for thislife so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should besame.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle ofso many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life orfor Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one endof the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first housebeginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP takingcusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to takestarting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point ofcusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.Intraditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it considerpowerless for that house or it consider in other house.I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarifythe matter for me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during hisresearch,> Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement inthe way> we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out houseposition> even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very wellin KP> so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> theory behind it?> *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> >> > I have some question in my mind as :--> >> > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> >> > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > theory behind it?> >> > Please guide me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Respected Dhanabalanji, There is no point in disagreeing that the cuspal points are exact. I also agree the 'Aura Theory'. Even the consideration of 'Orb' is not disagreeable. Outcome is the same. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:01:22 PMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Luther It is not the line of demarcation. Every object in the world has aura. Every man has aura, every planet has aura, every flower has aura. Distance of aura of a flower can be felt by its smell. A person who acieved rich spiritual experience has aura of more diatance than an ordinary person. Every planet has gravitational force like earth but the distance differ. Gravitational force will be maximum on the earth and decrese with distance and it will be zero at some point. So planet has orb according to their energy level. Cuspal points are imaginary sensitive points like Rahu/Ketu. So the sensitive points have the orb. The cuspal points are not on approximation but exact. Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009, 11:12 AM Respected Sirs, There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same// Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition. In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing the orb only the two system differs. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM Dear Punitji,Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for thislife so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should besame.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle ofso many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life orfor Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one endof the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first housebeginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP takingcusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to takestarting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point ofcusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.Intraditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it considerpowerless for that house or it consider in other house.I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarifythe matter for me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during hisresearch,> Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement inthe way> we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out houseposition> even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very wellin KP> so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> theory behind it?> *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> >> > I have some question in my mind as :--> >> > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> >> > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > theory behind it?> >> > Please guide me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Sir, Yes, a planet near to 1st cusp, posited in 12th house shall give the results of 12th and it 'may also give resultsof 1st house. Dr. Rath Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:59:08 PMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt - Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form or wave form. We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies demonstrates uncertainties. A principle like "Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty" is very much required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories based on that. Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth house. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Respected Sirs, There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > @gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same// Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition. In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing the orb only the two system differs. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.com Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM Dear Punitji,Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for thislife so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should besame.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle ofso many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life orfor Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one endof the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first housebeginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP takingcusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to takestarting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point ofcusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.Intraditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it considerpowerless for that house or it consider in other house.I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarifythe matter for me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during hisresearch,> Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement inthe way> we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out houseposition> even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very wellin KP> so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> theory behind it?> *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> >> > I have some question in my mind as :--> >> > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> >> > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > theory behind it?> >> > Please guide me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Punit, Allow me to quote Murphy's Law... "If anything has to go wrong...it will...!" With kind regards, L.Y.Rao. Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Friday, 13 February, 2009 5:59:08 PMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt - Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form or wave form. We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies demonstrates uncertainties. A principle like "Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty" is very much required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories based on that. Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth house. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Respected Sirs, There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > @gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same// Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition. In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing the orb only the two system differs. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.com Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM Dear Punitji,Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for thislife so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should besame.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle ofso many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life orfor Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one endof the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first housebeginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP takingcusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to takestarting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point ofcusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.Intraditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it considerpowerless for that house or it consider in other house.I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarifythe matter for me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during hisresearch,> Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement inthe way> we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out houseposition> even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very wellin KP> so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> theory behind it?> *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> >> > I have some question in my mind as :--> >> > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> >> > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > theory behind it?> >> > Please guide me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Dear Friends, 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para Moon suggests (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your mind. 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence. 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in the File section under: Planet near the House Cusp.doc A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp Regards, tw , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> /message/18714. Here is the excerpt> -> > *Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty*> *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form> or wave form. *> * *> *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is> defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even> when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> demonstrates uncertainties.*> * *> *A principle like "Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty" is very much> required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories> based on that. *> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer> to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the> planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the> planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first> house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the> first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth> house.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two> > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few> > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees> > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > Dr. Rath> >> > ------------------------------> > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan > *To:* > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> >> > Dear Punitji> > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and> > First cusp starting point should be same//> > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree,> > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the> > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of> > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition.> >> > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15> > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing> > the orb only the two system differs.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> >> > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of> > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or> > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end> > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house> > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> >> > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In> > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >> > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > the matter for me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > @gro ups.com <%40>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > >> > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > research,> > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in> > the way> > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > position> > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well> > in KP> > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > >> > >> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > theory behind it?> > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > >> > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > >> > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > >> > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > > theory behind it?> > > >> > > > Please guide me.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2009 Report Share Posted February 13, 2009 Respected TW ji and members, TW ji had opined: // If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence.// I apologize to disagree with this opinion. Because this is not the only situation when the planet becomes significator of both previous house and the next house. For example, if any planet is in the star of occupant (or owner) of the next house it is significator of the next house as well as the significator of the house it occupies. In such case, can we say that the result of the next house may not be effective just because the planet is also a significator of previous/detrimental/Vyaya/negative house? In my opinion it should depend upon the sub it occupies. It has been observed and experienced by learned members like A.R.Raichur and Sunil Gondhalekar that when any planet is near to cusp (within an orb of 3.33 degrees) it predominantly gives result of the next house. In the Note uploaded in File section under Planet near the House Cusp.doc it is mentioned that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar further clarified that the planet will give result of next house only if there are planet(s) in its stars, otherwise it will give result of both houses. Whatever little experience I have also matches with the experience of these stalwarts. Of course, all of them (including TW ji) agree that further research is needed to establish this as a rule. Secondly according to me this does not fall under E grade signification as per KP. Comments from respected Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated. Regards Subhash Ektare tw853 <tw853 Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:50:45 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Friends, 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para Moon suggests (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your mind. 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence. 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in the File section under: Planet near the House Cusp.doc A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp Regards, tw@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt> -> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form> or wave form. *> * *> *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is> defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even> when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> demonstrates uncertainties. *> * *> *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories> based on that. *> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer> to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the> planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the> planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first> house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the> first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth> house.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@. .. wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two> > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few> > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees> > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > Dr. Rath> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> >> > Dear Punitji> > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and> > First cusp starting point should be same//> > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree,> > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the> > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of> > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition.> >> > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15> > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing> > the orb only the two system differs.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> >> > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of> > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or> > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end> > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house> > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> >> > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In> > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >> > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > the matter for me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > >> > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > research,> > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in> > the way> > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > position> > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well> > in KP> > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > >> > >> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > theory behind it?> > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > >> > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > >> > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > >> > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > > theory behind it?> > > >> > > > Please guide me.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Dear Punitji,DR.Luther,Dhanbalanji and Twji, My question is remain unanswered. Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is very important this point to take because cuspal star lord,sub,sub-sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like in Quiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st,6th cuspal to get right indication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting the wrong point than whole picture will wrong. Where the cusp star lord,sub..... are strongest significant for particular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where the particular house started and where end)is consider,when a planet fallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significant of that house.If we are taking houses signification as per tradition(As 6th house signification)than we consider the traditional or What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system is different(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditional system,it all most 15degree difference. If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are taking Bhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as this position,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant are different as star lord,sun....etc,result will different. We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said and predicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right? In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub...etc to calculate,where house(Bhava)is strongest significator for that cusp(House,Bhava). Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > > 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house > ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: > > > > 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para > > Moon suggests > > (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be > contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your > mind. > > > > 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: > > What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to > the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is > the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) > > > > 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous > house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp > the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be > effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or > negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, > Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by > conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is > open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs > of cuspal influence. > > > > 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses > only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in > the File section under: > > Planet near the House Cusp.doc > <http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/EKeVSaWxhGlKLzw6X6Q3NQQgE2BQuBalwU6WzuWac1\ > P1-FXzYhvLgtBfquDlhfZCxakiMiIMEgtDN8GC-Br5YUJA1Q/Planet%20near%20the%20H\ > ouse%20Cusp.doc> > A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > , Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji, > > > > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at > > /message/18714. Here is the > excerpt > > - > > > > *Heisenberg's Principle of Uncertainty* > > *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid > form > > or wave form. * > > * * > > *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there > is > > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind > even > > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies > > demonstrates uncertainties.* > > * * > > *A principle like " Heisenberg's principle of uncertainty " is very much > > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly > > defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century > > scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the > theories > > based on that. * > > > > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement - " Mr.KSK said that if a planet is > closer > > to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th > house, the > > planet offers its result to the first cusp. " , we can not conclude that > the > > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of > first > > house. Rather, it simply means that planet " will also " offer results > of the > > first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the > twelth > > house. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote: > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is > between two > > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other > for few > > > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few > degrees > > > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. > > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ > > > *To:* > > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM > > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava > > > > > > Dear Punitji > > > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant > point and > > > First cusp starting point should be same// > > > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 > degree, > > > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result > to the > > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the > midpoint of > > > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in > tradition. > > > > > > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken > as 15 > > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In > fixing > > > the orb only the two system differs. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote: > > > > > > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > > > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM > > > > > > Dear Punitji, > > > > > > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this > > > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be > > > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle > of > > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life > or > > > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one > end > > > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first > house > > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view. > > > > > > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking > > > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take > > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of > > > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the > house?.In > > > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider > > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house. > > > > > > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify > > > the matter for me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > @gro ups.com <%40>, > Punit > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji, > > > > > > > > Please see my answer based on my understanding. > > > > > > > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of > ascendant(lagna) > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if > we > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) > as > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? > > > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his > > > research, > > > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct > house > > > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) > used in > > > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement > in > > > the way > > > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house > > > position > > > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system > only. > > > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very > well > > > in KP > > > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by > Placidus > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing > else > > > > theory behind it? > > > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses > meet. So > > > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear learned KP Astro., > > > > > > > > > > I have some question in my mind as :-- > > > > > > > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of > ascendant(lagna) > > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and > Lagna > > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these > two,if we > > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro > accident) as > > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track? > > > > > > > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by > Placidus > > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing > else > > > > > theory behind it? > > > > > > > > > > Please guide me. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 This is confirmed by practice. In 4 step method, 3.33 deg is taken as the orb. The effect of both Cuspal Lord and planet which is near cusp within orb of 3.33 deg. is taken as significator raichur anant --- On Fri, 13/2/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 4:42 PM Respected Sirs, There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be same// Mr..KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition. In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing the orb only the two system differs. Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comThursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM Dear Punitji,Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for thislife so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should besame.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle ofso many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life orfor Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one endof the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first housebeginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP takingcusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to takestarting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point ofcusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.Intraditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it considerpowerless for that house or it consider in other house.I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarifythe matter for me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bohra ji,> > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during hisresearch,> Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement inthe way> we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out houseposition> even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very wellin KP> so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> theory behind it?> *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> >> > I have some question in my mind as :--> >> > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> >> > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > theory behind it?> >> > Please guide me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Dear Subhash Ektareji I accept your view. Mr.Raichur has considered the planets closer to the cusp within 3.30 degrees as B grade significators. Mr.Gondhalkar also gave importance to the planets close to the cusp. With reference to KP original volume II, Mr.KSK considered the planets close to the cusp as prime significator only. Dhanabalan. --- On Fri, 2/13/09, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote: Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektareRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 8:35 PM Respected TW ji and members, TW ji had opined: // If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence.// I apologize to disagree with this opinion. Because this is not the only situation when the planet becomes significator of both previous house and the next house. For example, if any planet is in the star of occupant (or owner) of the next house it is significator of the next house as well as the significator of the house it occupies. In such case, can we say that the result of the next house may not be effective just because the planet is also a significator of previous/detrimenta l/Vyaya/negative house? In my opinion it should depend upon the sub it occupies. It has been observed and experienced by learned members like A.R.Raichur and Sunil Gondhalekar that when any planet is near to cusp (within an orb of 3.33 degrees) it predominantly gives result of the next house. In the Note uploaded in File section under Planet near the House Cusp.doc it is mentioned that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar further clarified that the planet will give result of next house only if there are planet(s) in its stars, otherwise it will give result of both houses. Whatever little experience I have also matches with the experience of these stalwarts. Of course, all of them (including TW ji) agree that further research is needed to establish this as a rule. Secondly according to me this does not fall under E grade signification as per KP. Comments from respected Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated. Regards Subhash Ektare tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 9:50:45 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Friends, 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para Moon suggests (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your mind. 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence. 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in the File section under: Planet near the House Cusp.doc A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp Regards, tw@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt> -> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form> or wave form. *> * *> *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is> defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even> when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> demonstrates uncertainties. *> * *> *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories> based on that. *> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer> to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the> planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the> planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first> house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the> first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth> house.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@. .. wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two> > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few> > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees> > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > Dr. Rath> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> >> > Dear Punitji> > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and> > First cusp starting point should be same//> > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree,> > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the> > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of> > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition.> >> > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15> > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing> > the orb only the two system differs.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> >> > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of> > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or> > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end> > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house> > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> >> > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In> > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >> > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > the matter for me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > >> > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > research,> > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in> > the way> > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > position> > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well> > in KP> > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > >> > >> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > theory behind it?> > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > >> > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > >> > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > >> > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > > theory behind it?> > > >> > > > Please guide me.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Dear Bohraji, I believe 'Bhavamadhya' is the correct point to be considered for the cusp. Let us wait for openion of seniors. Regards Dr. Rath msbohra62 <msbohra62 Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:05:19 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji,DR.Luther, Dhanbalanji and Twji,My question is remain unanswered.Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is veryimportant this point to take because cuspal starlord,sub,sub- sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like inQuiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st, 6th cuspal to get rightindication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting thewrong point than whole picture will wrong.Where the cusp star lord,sub.... . are strongest significant forparticular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where theparticular house started and where end)is consider,when a planetfallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significantof that house.If we are taking houses signification as pertradition(As 6th house signification) than we consider the traditionalor What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system isdifferent(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditionalsystem,it all most 15degree difference.If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are takingBhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as thisposition,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant aredifferent as star lord,sun.... etc,result will different.We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said andpredicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right?In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub...etc tocalculate,where house(Bhava) is strongest significator for thatcusp(House,Bhava) .Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > > > 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house> ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below:> > > > 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para> > Moon suggests> > (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be> contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your> mind.> > > > 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para:> > What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to> the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is> the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.)> > > > 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous> house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp> the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be> effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or> negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV,> Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by> conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is> open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs> of cuspal influence.> > > > 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses> only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in> the File section under:> > Planet near the House Cusp.doc><http://f1.grp. fs.com/ v1/EKeVSaWxhGlKL zw6X6Q3NQQgE2BQu BalwU6WzuWac1\>P1-FXzYhvLgtBfquDlh fZCxakiMiIMEgtDN 8GC-Br5YUJA1Q/ Planet%20near% 20the%20H\> ouse%20Cusp. doc>> A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> >> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the> excerpt> > -> >> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> > *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid> form> > or wave form. *> > * *> > *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there> is> > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind> even> > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> > demonstrates uncertainties. *> > * *> > *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> > defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> > scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the> theories> > based on that. *> >> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is> closer> > to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th> house, the> > planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that> the> > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of> first> > house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results> of the> > first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the> twelth> > house.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > > Respected Sirs,> > > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is> between two> > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other> for few> > > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few> degrees> > > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > > Dr. Rath> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > *To:* @gro ups.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant> point and> > > First cusp starting point should be same//> > > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5> degree,> > > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result> to the> > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the> midpoint of> > > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in> tradition.> > >> > > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken> as 15> > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In> fixing> > > the orb only the two system differs.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> > >> > > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >> > > Dear Punitji,> > >> > > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle> of> > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life> or> > > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one> end> > > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first> house> > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> > >> > > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the> house?.In> > > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> > >> > > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > > the matter for me.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> Punit> > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > > >> > > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if> we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident)> as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > > research,> > > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct> house> > > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra)> used in> > > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement> in> > > the way> > > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > > position> > > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system> only.> > > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very> well> > > in KP> > > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > >> > > >> > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > theory behind it?> > > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses> meet. So> > > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > > >> > > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > > >> > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and> Lagna> > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these> two,if we> > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro> accident) as> > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > >> > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > > theory behind it?> > > > >> > > > > Please guide me.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 dear subhash ektare, 4 step theory has given concrete rules to judge the events and many are experiencing that including yourself is sufficient for me. even though further research is necessary is to be noted. -sunil gondhalekar On 2/14/09, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote: Respected TW ji and members, TW ji had opined: // If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence.// I apologize to disagree with this opinion. Because this is not the only situation when the planet becomes significator of both previous house and the next house. For example, if any planet is in the star of occupant (or owner) of the next house it is significator of the next house as well as the significator of the house it occupies. In such case, can we say that the result of the next house may not be effective just because the planet is also a significator of previous/detrimental/Vyaya/negative house? In my opinion it should depend upon the sub it occupies. It has been observed and experienced by learned members like A.R.Raichur and Sunil Gondhalekar that when any planet is near to cusp (within an orb of 3.33 degrees) it predominantly gives result of the next house. In the Note uploaded in File section under Planet near the House Cusp.doc it is mentioned that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar further clarified that the planet will give result of next house only if there are planet(s) in its stars, otherwise it will give result of both houses. Whatever little experience I have also matches with the experience of these stalwarts. Of course, all of them (including TW ji) agree that further research is needed to establish this as a rule. Secondly according to me this does not fall under E grade signification as per KP. Comments from respected Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated. Regards Subhash Ektare tw853 <tw853 Friday, February 13, 2009 9:50:45 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Friends, 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para Moon suggests (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your mind. 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence. 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in the File section under: Planet near the House Cusp.doc A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp Regards, tw @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: >> Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt > -> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form> or wave form. *> * *> *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even> when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> demonstrates uncertainties. *> * *> *A principle like " Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty " is very much > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories > based on that. *> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement - " Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer> to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the> planet offers its result to the first cusp. " , we can not conclude that the > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first> house. Rather, it simply means that planet " will also " offer results of the> first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth > house.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@. .. wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few> > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees> > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp. > > Dr. Rath> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> > *To:* @gro ups.com > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> >> > Dear Punitji> > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and > > First cusp starting point should be same//> > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree,> > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of> > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition.> >> > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15 > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing> > the orb only the two system differs.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote: > >> > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava > > @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> > > > Dear Punitji,> >> > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or> > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end> > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> >> > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In> > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >> > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > the matter for me.> >> > Thanks, > >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > Please see my answer based on my understanding. > > >> > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his > > research,> > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in > > the way> > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > position> > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well > > in KP> > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > >> > >> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > theory behind it?> > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc. > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote: > > >> > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > >> > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > >> > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna) > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > >> > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else > > > > theory behind it?> > > >> > > > Please guide me.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 My opinion on this subject is:- A planet may have dual ownership of cusps/houses but can not have dual occupation of cusps/houses. Occupation should be single cusp/house. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote: Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektareRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 2:05 AM Respected TW ji and members, TW ji had opined: // If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence.// I apologize to disagree with this opinion. Because this is not the only situation when the planet becomes significator of both previous house and the next house. For example, if any planet is in the star of occupant (or owner) of the next house it is significator of the next house as well as the significator of the house it occupies. In such case, can we say that the result of the next house may not be effective just because the planet is also a significator of previous/detrimenta l/Vyaya/negative house? In my opinion it should depend upon the sub it occupies. It has been observed and experienced by learned members like A.R.Raichur and Sunil Gondhalekar that when any planet is near to cusp (within an orb of 3.33 degrees) it predominantly gives result of the next house. In the Note uploaded in File section under Planet near the House Cusp.doc it is mentioned that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar further clarified that the planet will give result of next house only if there are planet(s) in its stars, otherwise it will give result of both houses. Whatever little experience I have also matches with the experience of these stalwarts. Of course, all of them (including TW ji) agree that further research is needed to establish this as a rule. Secondly according to me this does not fall under E grade signification as per KP. Comments from respected Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated. Regards Subhash Ektare tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 9:50:45 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Friends, 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para Moon suggests (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your mind. 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence. 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in the File section under: Planet near the House Cusp.doc A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp Regards, tw@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt> -> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form> or wave form. *> * *> *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is> defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even> when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> demonstrates uncertainties. *> * *> *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories> based on that. *> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer> to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the> planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the> planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first> house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the> first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth> house.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@. .. wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two> > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few> > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees> > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > Dr. Rath> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> >> > Dear Punitji> > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and> > First cusp starting point should be same//> > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree,> > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the> > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of> > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition.> >> > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15> > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing> > the orb only the two system differs.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> >> > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of> > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or> > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end> > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house> > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> >> > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In> > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >> > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > the matter for me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > >> > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > research,> > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in> > the way> > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > position> > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well> > in KP> > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > >> > >> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > theory behind it?> > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > >> > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > >> > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > >> > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > > theory behind it?> > > >> > > > Please guide me.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Dear Luther Traditional Bhavamathi and KP cusp are same. No confusion in it. Traditional Bhavamathi and KP Cusp points are the strongest points. No confusion in it. How much orb has to be taken is under debate. KP says 5 degrees. Tradition says 15 degrees. Tradition bhavasanthi is the weakest point. A planet in bhavasanthi gives 50% result to either side of bhava. So it is considered as weak for both bhavas. In KP, the first degree of each house is the strongest. My question is where is the weakest point in KP house.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 11:04 AM Dear Bohraji, I believe 'Bhavamadhya' is the correct point to be considered for the cusp. Let us wait for openion of seniors. Regards Dr. Rath msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 9:05:19 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji,DR.Luther, Dhanbalanji and Twji,My question is remain unanswered.Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is veryimportant this point to take because cuspal starlord,sub,sub- sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like inQuiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st, 6th cuspal to get rightindication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting thewrong point than whole picture will wrong.Where the cusp star lord,sub.... . are strongest significant forparticular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where theparticular house started and where end)is consider,when a planetfallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significantof that house.If we are taking houses signification as pertradition(As 6th house signification) than we consider the traditionalor What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system isdifferent(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditionalsystem,it all most 15degree difference.If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are takingBhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as thisposition,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant aredifferent as star lord,sun.... etc,result will different.We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said andpredicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right?In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub...etc tocalculate,where house(Bhava) is strongest significator for thatcusp(House,Bhava) .Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > > > 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house> ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below:> > > > 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para> > Moon suggests> > (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be> contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your> mind.> > > > 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para:> > What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to> the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is> the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.)> > > > 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous> house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp> the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be> effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or> negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV,> Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by> conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is> open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs> of cuspal influence.> > > > 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses> only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in> the File section under:> > Planet near the House Cusp.doc><http://f1.grp. fs.com/ v1/EKeVSaWxhGlKL zw6X6Q3NQQgE2BQu BalwU6WzuWac1\>P1-FXzYhvLgtBfquDlh fZCxakiMiIMEgtDN 8GC-Br5YUJA1Q/ Planet%20near% 20the%20H\> ouse%20Cusp. doc>> A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> >> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the> excerpt> > -> >> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> > *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid> form> > or wave form. *> > * *> > *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there> is> > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind> even> > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> > demonstrates uncertainties. *> > * *> > *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> > defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> > scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the> theories> > based on that. *> >> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is> closer> > to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th> house, the> > planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that> the> > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of> first> > house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results> of the> > first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the> twelth> > house.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > > Respected Sirs,> > > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is> between two> > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other> for few> > > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few> degrees> > > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > > Dr. Rath> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > *To:* @gro ups.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant> point and> > > First cusp starting point should be same//> > > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5> degree,> > > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result> to the> > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the> midpoint of> > > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in> tradition.> > >> > > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken> as 15> > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In> fixing> > > the orb only the two system differs.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> > >> > > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >> > > Dear Punitji,> > >> > > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle> of> > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life> or> > > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one> end> > > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first> house> > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> > >> > > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the> house?.In> > > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> > >> > > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > > the matter for me.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> Punit> > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > > >> > > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if> we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident)> as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > > research,> > > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct> house> > > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra)> used in> > > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement> in> > > the way> > > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > > position> > > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system> only.> > > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very> well> > > in KP> > > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > >> > > >> > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > theory behind it?> > > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses> meet. So> > > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > > >> > > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > > >> > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and> Lagna> > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these> two,if we> > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro> accident) as> > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > >> > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > > theory behind it?> > > > >> > > > > Please guide me.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Dear Naiduji In KP, the cuspal points are the strongest point in a house. Where is the weakest point in KP house? Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalanRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 11:28 AM My opinion on this subject is:- A planet may have dual ownership of cusps/houses but can not have dual occupation of cusps/houses. Occupation should be single cusp/house. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, 14 February, 2009, 2:05 AM Respected TW ji and members, TW ji had opined: // If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence.// I apologize to disagree with this opinion. Because this is not the only situation when the planet becomes significator of both previous house and the next house. For example, if any planet is in the star of occupant (or owner) of the next house it is significator of the next house as well as the significator of the house it occupies. In such case, can we say that the result of the next house may not be effective just because the planet is also a significator of previous/detrimenta l/Vyaya/negative house? In my opinion it should depend upon the sub it occupies. It has been observed and experienced by learned members like A.R.Raichur and Sunil Gondhalekar that when any planet is near to cusp (within an orb of 3.33 degrees) it predominantly gives result of the next house. In the Note uploaded in File section under Planet near the House Cusp.doc it is mentioned that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar further clarified that the planet will give result of next house only if there are planet(s) in its stars, otherwise it will give result of both houses. Whatever little experience I have also matches with the experience of these stalwarts. Of course, all of them (including TW ji) agree that further research is needed to establish this as a rule. Secondly according to me this does not fall under E grade signification as per KP. Comments from respected Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated. Regards Subhash Ektare tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 9:50:45 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Friends, 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para Moon suggests (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your mind. 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence. 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in the File section under: Planet near the House Cusp.doc A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp Regards, tw@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt> -> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form> or wave form. *> * *> *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is> defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even> when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> demonstrates uncertainties. *> * *> *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories> based on that. *> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer> to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the> planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the> planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first> house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the> first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth> house.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@. ... wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two> > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few> > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees> > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > Dr. Rath> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> >> > Dear Punitji> > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and> > First cusp starting point should be same//> > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree,> > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the> > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of> > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition.> >> > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15> > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing> > the orb only the two system differs.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> >> > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of> > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or> > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end> > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house> > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> >> > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In> > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >> > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > the matter for me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > >> > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > research,> > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in> > the way> > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > position> > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well> > in KP> > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > >> > >> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > theory behind it?> > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > >> > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > >> > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > >> > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > > theory behind it?> > > >> > > > Please guide me.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Respected Dhanabalanji, I do not remember to have read any where in KP that certain point in a Bhava is strong or weak. Yes, it is written that certain planets offer result when they are at the begining of a Bhava, others at the middle and some others when they are leaving the Bhava. But I don't thing that this was supported by KSK himself. It was only a mention. The strength is the sub lord the planet occupies, and the signification of the sub lord. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:49:34 PMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Luther Traditional Bhavamathi and KP cusp are same. No confusion in it. Traditional Bhavamathi and KP Cusp points are the strongest points. No confusion in it. How much orb has to be taken is under debate. KP says 5 degrees. Tradition says 15 degrees. Tradition bhavasanthi is the weakest point. A planet in bhavasanthi gives 50% result to either side of bhava. So it is considered as weak for both bhavas. In KP, the first degree of each house is the strongest. My question is where is the weakest point in KP house.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 11:04 AM Dear Bohraji, I believe 'Bhavamadhya' is the correct point to be considered for the cusp. Let us wait for openion of seniors. Regards Dr. Rath msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 9:05:19 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji,DR.Luther, Dhanbalanji and Twji,My question is remain unanswered.Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is veryimportant this point to take because cuspal starlord,sub,sub- sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like inQuiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st, 6th cuspal to get rightindication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting thewrong point than whole picture will wrong.Where the cusp star lord,sub.... . are strongest significant forparticular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where theparticular house started and where end)is consider,when a planetfallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significantof that house.If we are taking houses signification as pertradition(As 6th house signification) than we consider the traditionalor What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system isdifferent(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditionalsystem,it all most 15degree difference.If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are takingBhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as thisposition,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant aredifferent as star lord,sun.... etc,result will different.We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said andpredicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right?In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub...etc tocalculate,where house(Bhava) is strongest significator for thatcusp(House,Bhava) .Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > > > 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house> ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below:> > > > 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para> > Moon suggests> > (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be> contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your> mind.> > > > 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para:> > What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to> the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is> the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.)> > > > 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous> house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp> the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be> effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or> negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV,> Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by> conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is> open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs> of cuspal influence.> > > > 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses> only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in> the File section under:> > Planet near the House Cusp.doc><http://f1.grp. fs.com/ v1/EKeVSaWxhGlKL zw6X6Q3NQQgE2BQu BalwU6WzuWac1\>P1-FXzYhvLgtBfquDlh fZCxakiMiIMEgtDN 8GC-Br5YUJA1Q/ Planet%20near% 20the%20H\> ouse%20Cusp. doc>> A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> >> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the> excerpt> > -> >> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> > *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid> form> > or wave form. *> > * *> > *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there> is> > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind> even> > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> > demonstrates uncertainties. *> > * *> > *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> > defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> > scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the> theories> > based on that. *> >> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is> closer> > to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th> house, the> > planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that> the> > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of> first> > house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results> of the> > first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the> twelth> > house.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > > Respected Sirs,> > > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is> between two> > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other> for few> > > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few> degrees> > > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > > Dr. Rath> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > *To:* @gro ups.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant> point and> > > First cusp starting point should be same//> > > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5> degree,> > > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result> to the> > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the> midpoint of> > > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in> tradition.> > >> > > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken> as 15> > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In> fixing> > > the orb only the two system differs.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> > >> > > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >> > > Dear Punitji,> > >> > > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle> of> > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life> or> > > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one> end> > > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first> house> > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> > >> > > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the> house?.In> > > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> > >> > > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > > the matter for me.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> Punit> > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > > >> > > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if> we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident)> as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > > research,> > > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct> house> > > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra)> used in> > > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement> in> > > the way> > > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > > position> > > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system> only.> > > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very> well> > > in KP> > > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > >> > > >> > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > theory behind it?> > > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses> meet. So> > > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > > >> > > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > > >> > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and> Lagna> > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these> two,if we> > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro> accident) as> > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > >> > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > > theory behind it?> > > > >> > > > > Please guide me.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Dear Luther In KP, the cusp point(beginning of each house) is the strongest point. Where is the weakest point in a house. It is not according to star and sub. It is not some sensitive points like exaltation. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Saturday, February 14, 2009, 2:22 PM Respected Dhanabalanji, I do not remember to have read any where in KP that certain point in a Bhava is strong or weak. Yes, it is written that certain planets offer result when they are at the begining of a Bhava, others at the middle and some others when they are leaving the Bhava. But I don't thing that this was supported by KSK himself. It was only a mention. The strength is the sub lord the planet occupies, and the signification of the sub lord. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 5:49:34 PMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Luther Traditional Bhavamathi and KP cusp are same. No confusion in it. Traditional Bhavamathi and KP Cusp points are the strongest points. No confusion in it. How much orb has to be taken is under debate. KP says 5 degrees. Tradition says 15 degrees. Tradition bhavasanthi is the weakest point. A planet in bhavasanthi gives 50% result to either side of bhava. So it is considered as weak for both bhavas. In KP, the first degree of each house is the strongest. My question is where is the weakest point in KP house.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 11:04 AM Dear Bohraji, I believe 'Bhavamadhya' is the correct point to be considered for the cusp. Let us wait for openion of seniors. Regards Dr. Rath msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 9:05:19 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji,DR.Luther, Dhanbalanji and Twji,My question is remain unanswered.Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is veryimportant this point to take because cuspal starlord,sub,sub- sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like inQuiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st, 6th cuspal to get rightindication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting thewrong point than whole picture will wrong.Where the cusp star lord,sub.... . are strongest significant forparticular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where theparticular house started and where end)is consider,when a planetfallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significantof that house.If we are taking houses signification as pertradition(As 6th house signification) than we consider the traditionalor What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system isdifferent(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditionalsystem,it all most 15degree difference.If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are takingBhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as thisposition,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant aredifferent as star lord,sun.... etc,result will different.We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said andpredicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right?In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub...etc tocalculate,where house(Bhava) is strongest significator for thatcusp(House,Bhava) .Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > > > 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house> ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below:> > > > 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para> > Moon suggests> > (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be> contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your> mind.> > > > 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para:> > What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to> the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is> the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.)> > > > 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous> house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp> the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be> effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or> negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV,> Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by> conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is> open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs> of cuspal influence.> > > > 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses> only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in> the File section under:> > Planet near the House Cusp.doc><http://f1.grp. fs.com/ v1/EKeVSaWxhGlKL zw6X6Q3NQQgE2BQu BalwU6WzuWac1\>P1-FXzYhvLgtBfquDlh fZCxakiMiIMEgtDN 8GC-Br5YUJA1Q/ Planet%20near% 20the%20H\> ouse%20Cusp. doc>> A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> >> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the> excerpt> > -> >> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> > *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid> form> > or wave form. *> > * *> > *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there> is> > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind> even> > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> > demonstrates uncertainties. *> > * *> > *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> > defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> > scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the> theories> > based on that. *> >> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is> closer> > to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th> house, the> > planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that> the> > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of> first> > house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results> of the> > first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the> twelth> > house.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > > Respected Sirs,> > > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is> between two> > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other> for few> > > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few> degrees> > > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > > Dr. Rath> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > *To:* @gro ups.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant> point and> > > First cusp starting point should be same//> > > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5> degree,> > > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result> to the> > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the> midpoint of> > > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in> tradition.> > >> > > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken> as 15> > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In> fixing> > > the orb only the two system differs.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> > >> > > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >> > > Dear Punitji,> > >> > > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle> of> > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life> or> > > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one> end> > > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first> house> > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> > >> > > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the> house?.In> > > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> > >> > > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > > the matter for me.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> Punit> > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > > >> > > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if> we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident)> as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > > research,> > > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct> house> > > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra)> used in> > > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement> in> > > the way> > > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > > position> > > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system> only.> > > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very> well> > > in KP> > > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > >> > > >> > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > theory behind it?> > > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses> meet. So> > > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > > >> > > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > > >> > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and> Lagna> > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these> two,if we> > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro> accident) as> > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > >> > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > > theory behind it?> > > > >> > > > > Please guide me.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Dear Dhanabalanji, The strength of a planet is not based on its location point in a cusp. Depending on its location point its sublord changes. As you are aware its sublord speaks about the strength of the planet to which it is sublord. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 6:30 PM Dear Naiduji In KP, the cuspal points are the strongest point in a house. Where is the weakest point in KP house? Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 11:28 AM My opinion on this subject is:- A planet may have dual ownership of cusps/houses but can not have dual occupation of cusps/houses. Occupation should be single cusp/house. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, 14 February, 2009, 2:05 AM Respected TW ji and members, TW ji had opined: // If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence.// I apologize to disagree with this opinion. Because this is not the only situation when the planet becomes significator of both previous house and the next house. For example, if any planet is in the star of occupant (or owner) of the next house it is significator of the next house as well as the significator of the house it occupies. In such case, can we say that the result of the next house may not be effective just because the planet is also a significator of previous/detrimenta l/Vyaya/negative house? In my opinion it should depend upon the sub it occupies. It has been observed and experienced by learned members like A.R.Raichur and Sunil Gondhalekar that when any planet is near to cusp (within an orb of 3.33 degrees) it predominantly gives result of the next house. In the Note uploaded in File section under Planet near the House Cusp.doc it is mentioned that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar further clarified that the planet will give result of next house only if there are planet(s) in its stars, otherwise it will give result of both houses. Whatever little experience I have also matches with the experience of these stalwarts. Of course, all of them (including TW ji) agree that further research is needed to establish this as a rule. Secondly according to me this does not fall under E grade signification as per KP. Comments from respected Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated. Regards Subhash Ektare tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 9:50:45 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Friends, 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para Moon suggests (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your mind. 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence. 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in the File section under: Planet near the House Cusp.doc A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp Regards, tw@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt> -> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form> or wave form. *> * *> *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is> defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even> when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> demonstrates uncertainties. *> * *> *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories> based on that. *> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer> to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the> planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the> planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first> house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the> first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth> house.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@. ... wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two> > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few> > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees> > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > Dr. Rath> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> >> > Dear Punitji> > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and> > First cusp starting point should be same//> > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree,> > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the> > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of> > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition.> >> > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15> > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing> > the orb only the two system differs.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> >> > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of> > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or> > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end> > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house> > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> >> > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In> > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >> > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > the matter for me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > >> > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > research,> > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in> > the way> > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > position> > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well> > in KP> > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > >> > >> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > theory behind it?> > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > >> > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > >> > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > >> > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > > theory behind it?> > > >> > > > Please guide me.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Dear Naiduji Bhava strength is based on the planets in it. If the planets are closer to the cusps, the contribution of planets to the cusp is more. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/15/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalanRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 5:06 PM Dear Dhanabalanji, The strength of a planet is not based on its location point in a cusp. Depending on its location point its sublord changes. As you are aware its sublord speaks about the strength of the planet to which it is sublord. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, 14 February, 2009, 6:30 PM Dear Naiduji In KP, the cuspal points are the strongest point in a house. Where is the weakest point in KP house? Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 11:28 AM My opinion on this subject is:- A planet may have dual ownership of cusps/houses but can not have dual occupation of cusps/houses. Occupation should be single cusp/house. Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, 14 February, 2009, 2:05 AM Respected TW ji and members, TW ji had opined: // If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence.// I apologize to disagree with this opinion. Because this is not the only situation when the planet becomes significator of both previous house and the next house. For example, if any planet is in the star of occupant (or owner) of the next house it is significator of the next house as well as the significator of the house it occupies. In such case, can we say that the result of the next house may not be effective just because the planet is also a significator of previous/detrimenta l/Vyaya/negative house? In my opinion it should depend upon the sub it occupies. It has been observed and experienced by learned members like A.R.Raichur and Sunil Gondhalekar that when any planet is near to cusp (within an orb of 3.33 degrees) it predominantly gives result of the next house. In the Note uploaded in File section under Planet near the House Cusp.doc it is mentioned that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar further clarified that the planet will give result of next house only if there are planet(s) in its stars, otherwise it will give result of both houses. Whatever little experience I have also matches with the experience of these stalwarts. Of course, all of them (including TW ji) agree that further research is needed to establish this as a rule. Secondly according to me this does not fall under E grade signification as per KP. Comments from respected Raichur ji and Gondhalekar ji will be highly appriciated. Regards Subhash Ektare tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009 9:50:45 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Friends, 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below: 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para Moon suggests (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your mind. 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para: What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.) 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV, Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs of cuspal influence. 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in the File section under: Planet near the House Cusp.doc A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp Regards, tw@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the excerpt> -> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid form> or wave form. *> * *> *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there is> defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind even> when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> demonstrates uncertainties. *> * *> *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the theories> based on that. *> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer> to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the> planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that the> planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of first> house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results of the> first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the twelth> house.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@. ... wrote:> > > Respected Sirs,> > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is between two> > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other for few> > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few degrees> > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > Dr. Rath> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> >> > Dear Punitji> > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant point and> > First cusp starting point should be same//> > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5 degree,> > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result to the> > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the midpoint of> > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in tradition.> >> > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken as 15> > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In fixing> > the orb only the two system differs.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> >> > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle of> > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life or> > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one end> > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first house> > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> >> > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the house?.In> > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> >> > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > the matter for me.> >> > Thanks,> >> > M.S.Bohra> >> > @gro ups.com <%40g roups.com>, Punit> > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > >> > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > research,> > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct house> > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra) used in> > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement in> > the way> > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > position> > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system only.> > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very well> > in KP> > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > >> > >> > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > theory behind it?> > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses meet. So> > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > >> > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > >> > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident) as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > >> > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing else> > > > theory behind it?> > > >> > > > Please guide me.> > > >> > > > Thanks,> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Hello All,There is nothing like strogest or weakest point in KP. It is the same thing we are going back to the traditional method which is absolutely inaccurate. The begining of Bhava or say cusp decides everything if it is strong or weak, nothing else.Thanks,D K BhaskarMob.: 91-9910048040 "Only GOOD is not Enough, When you Dream of being GREAT."--- On Sat, 14/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Date: Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 8:36 PM Dear Luther In KP, the cusp point(beginning of each house) is the strongest point. Where is the weakest point in a house. It is not according to star and sub. It is not some sensitive points like exaltation. Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 2:22 PM Respected Dhanabalanji, I do not remember to have read any where in KP that certain point in a Bhava is strong or weak. Yes, it is written that certain planets offer result when they are at the begining of a Bhava, others at the middle and some others when they are leaving the Bhava. But I don't thing that this was supported by KSK himself. It was only a mention. The strength is the sub lord the planet occupies, and the signification of the sub lord. Dr. Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 5:49:34 PMRe: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Luther Traditional Bhavamathi and KP cusp are same. No confusion in it. Traditional Bhavamathi and KP Cusp points are the strongest points. No confusion in it. How much orb has to be taken is under debate. KP says 5 degrees. Tradition says 15 degrees. Tradition bhavasanthi is the weakest point. A planet in bhavasanthi gives 50% result to either side of bhava. So it is considered as weak for both bhavas. In KP, the first degree of each house is the strongest. My question is where is the weakest point in KP house.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009, 11:04 AM Dear Bohraji, I believe 'Bhavamadhya' is the correct point to be considered for the cusp. Let us wait for openion of seniors. Regards Dr. Rath msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSaturday, February 14, 2009 9:05:19 AM Re: Cusp V/S Bhava Dear Punitji,DR.Luther, Dhanbalanji and Twji,My question is remain unanswered.Which point of degree we are considering as cusp.Where it is veryimportant this point to take because cuspal starlord,sub,sub- sub....etc are getting by this degree of point.As like inQuiz No.3 we have to consider 8th,12th,1st, 6th cuspal to get rightindication of accident and it's Dasa period.If we are getting thewrong point than whole picture will wrong.Where the cusp star lord,sub.... . are strongest significant forparticular house.In traditional system mid point(Degree wise,where theparticular house started and where end)is consider,when a planetfallen at mid-point of house it is consider strong result significantof that house.If we are taking houses signification as pertradition(As 6th house signification) than we consider the traditionalor What KP system say(I wanted to know it).Because cuspal system isdifferent(where first cusp started degree wise)from traditionalsystem,it all most 15degree difference.If cuspal point is the point where two cusps union than we are takingBhava start point.If that than Bhava result will comes as thisposition,if we take center point of Bhava(In KP cusp) significant aredifferent as star lord,sun.... etc,result will different.We are using cusp signification as per traditional system said andpredicting cusp(Bhava) result on other system,which is right?In my view mid-point should be consider as cusp star lord,sub....etc tocalculate,where house(Bhava) is strongest significator for thatcusp(House,Bhava) .Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> > > > 1. It is found that Guruji KSK has taken the result of the Next house> ONLY by closeness to the next cusp as shown below:> > > > 1) Original KP Vol. 2, 1965 of Sagar Publications, p 281, 5th para> > Moon suggests> > (a) as it is very near the 12th cusp, life a foreign place may be> contemplated; a thourough change in the surrounding may engage your> mind.> > > > 2) KP Reader IV, page 108 3rd para:> > What does Rahu denotes? Rahu (@ 13Li09) posited in Thula very near to> the 11th cusp (@ 15Li38:42). (Rahu is supposed to give marriage which is> the result of 11th house although Rahu is physically in 10th house.)> > > > 2. If a planet is supposed to be a significator of both the previous> house in which the planet is posited and the next house to whose cusp> the planet is very close, the result of the next house may not be> effective as the previous house is detrimental or Vyaya or Vrava or> negative to the matters of next house. (KP Reader III, KP Reader IV,> Bhatt's Nakshatra Chintamani). In KP such kind of signification by> conjunction is only the grade E significator as the last resort. It is> open to research for the astrologer to observe these effects of the orbs> of cuspal influence.> > > > 3. The lists are provided who are for the result of the Next Houses> only and those for the results of Both the Previous and Next Houses in> the File section under:> > Planet near the House Cusp.doc><http://f1.grp. fs.com/ v1/EKeVSaWxhGlKL zw6X6Q3NQQgE2BQu BalwU6WzuWac1\>P1-FXzYhvLgtBfquDlh fZCxakiMiIMEgtDN 8GC-Br5YUJA1Q/ Planet%20near% 20the%20H\> ouse%20Cusp. doc>> A Note on the Influence of a Planet near the House Cusp> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Luther ji/ Bohra ji,> >> > I once written about the uncertainties in this forum at> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 18714. Here is the> excerpt> > -> >> > *Heisenberg' s Principle of Uncertainty*> > *At any moment it can not be determined whether a particle is in solid> form> > or wave form. *> > * *> > *We must note that when it comes to particle and their effects, there> is> > defined uncertainty. We need to keep this uncertainties in the mind> even> > when it comes to astrological predictions because quantum bodies> > demonstrates uncertainties. *> > * *> > *A principle like "Heisenberg' s principle of uncertainty" is very much> > required in astrology to take it to the science level. Before clearly> > defining the uncertainties, we will keep fighting the way last century> > scientists fought on the nature of the particle and hence all the> theories> > based on that. *> >> > Dhanabalan ji, From this statement -"Mr.KSK said that if a planet is> closer> > to the first cusp upto 5 degree, eventhough the planet is in 12th> house, the> > planet offers its result to the first cusp.", we can not conclude that> the> > planet near to first cusp will be powerful to offer the result of> first> > house. Rather, it simply means that planet "will also" offer results> of the> > first house. It doesn't mean that it will not offer result of the> twelth> > house.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > > Respected Sirs,> > > There is no line of demarcation between two signs nor there is> between two> > > constellations. The constellations overlap therefore on each other> for few> > > degrees. Hence there is justification to consider a planet a few> degrees> > > ahead or behind a cusp, as a significator for the cusp.> > > Dr. Rath> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > ** Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > > *To:* @gro ups.com> > > *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2009 11:55:09 AM> > > *Subject:* Re: Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > //journey started at the time of birth for this life so ascendant> point and> > > First cusp starting point should be same//> > > Mr.KSK said that if a planet is closer to the first cusp upto 5> degree,> > > eventhough the planet is in 12th house, the planet offers its result> to the> > > first cusp. The cuspal points are the strongest. Naturally, the> midpoint of> > > two cusps is the weakest point, which is called as Bhavasanthi in> tradition.> > >> > > In KP, the orb is taken as 5 degree. In tradition, the orb is taken> as 15> > > degrees. Both the system agrees the cusp as the strongest point. In> fixing> > > the orb only the two system differs.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On *Thu, 2/12/09, msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>* wrote:> > >> > > msbohra62 msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Cusp V/S Bhava> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > Thursday, February 12, 2009, 7:31 PM> > >> > > Dear Punitji,> > >> > > Logically it is true, journey started at the time of birth for this> > > life so ascendant point and First cusp starting point should be> > > same.Astrology is divine and spiritual subject in this regard cycle> of> > > so many birth is continuous process,12th house is end of this life> or> > > for Moksha.If we take again birth than we have to travel from one> end> > > of the life to new birth,so in traditional Astrology takes first> house> > > beginning point before the Ascendant point.It is my view.> > >> > > Cusp point is where two Houses meet (Sabdhi) and we are in KP taking> > > cusp star lord sub and sub-sub of this point,is it right to take> > > starting point as cusps consideration or we take the mid-point of> > > cusps for right approach as peek point signification of the> house?.In> > > traditional system if planet in between Bhavshandhi it consider> > > powerless for that house or it consider in other house.> > >> > > I am confuse as beginner in KP system in this regards,please clarify> > > the matter for me.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> Punit> > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > Please see my answer based on my understanding.> > > >> > > > *1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and Lagna> > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these two,if> we> > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro accident)> as> > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > * The answer is 'No' due to two reasons. First of all, during his> > > research,> > > > Shri KSK found that Placidus house system tells us the correct> house> > > > position rather than Sripati house system (bhava maddhya chakra)> used in> > > > classical astrology. In my opinion, this is definite advancement> in> > > the way> > > > we calculated house. In fact, whenever I have to figure out house> > > position> > > > even in classical strology, now-a-days I use Placidus house system> only.> > > > Also, ascendant as the starting point of first house works very> well> > > in KP> > > > so we should not bothered as far as we are getting good results.> > > >> > > >> > > > *2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > theory behind it?> > > > *Cusp (called Sandhi in Sanskrit) is the point where two houses> meet. So> > > > this is an 'exact point' and not center etc.> > > >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > >> > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 5:34 PM, msbohra62 msbohra62@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > > Dear learned KP Astro.,> > > > >> > > > > I have some question in my mind as :--> > > > >> > > > > 1.In Kp system cusp(1st) started at same point of> ascendant(lagna)> > > > > where in traditional Astrology Bhava (1st) Bhava-Madhya and> Lagna> > > > > started at same point.It is lot of difference between these> two,if we> > > > > interprets the Bhava theory(as like 4th,8th and 12th fro> accident) as> > > > > per traditional aspects in KP,we are not going on wrong track?> > > > >> > > > > 2.Cusp star lord,sub,sub- sub ,sub-sub-sub as we getting by> Placidus> > > > > systems it is center point of cusp(Degree wise)or some any thing> else> > > > > theory behind it?> > > > >> > > > > Please guide me.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Connect with friends all over the world. 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