Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Sirs, Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in practical, unless we create one. The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.' regards/Bhaskar. , " srinivasankannan77 " <srinivasankannan77 wrote: > > Dear members > > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope. > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based. > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it > uses Placidus house system > > What are your views on this > > Thanks > > Kannan > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Daer SrinivasanKannan You are correct. Placidus system is designed for +60 degree North to -60 degree south. Beyond 60 degrees, placidus will not work. Beyond 60 degrees it is advisable to use equal sign based system. First 30 degrees first bhava, second 30 degrees second bhava and so on. Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/10/09, srinivasankannan77 <srinivasankannan77 wrote: srinivasankannan77 <srinivasankannan77 KP and Placidus Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 AM Dear membersPlacidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope. Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based. How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it uses Placidus house system What are your views on thisThanksKannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 dear sir, 1)beyond 60 degrees is there any survival of human life 2) In Kp chart around 60 degrees ( say 57 deg north-scotland etc.,) the spread of some bhavas are likely to be less than the length of kp ayanamsa used for the chart- In such cases whether the kp chart is valid. rao chitturu--- On Tue, 10/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: KP and Placidus Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 11:37 AM Daer SrinivasanKannan You are correct. Placidus system is designed for +60 degree North to -60 degree south. Beyond 60 degrees, placidus will not work. Beyond 60 degrees it is advisable to use equal sign based system. First 30 degrees first bhava, second 30 degrees second bhava and so on. Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/10/09, srinivasankannan77 <srinivasankannan77@ > wrote: srinivasankannan77 <srinivasankannan77@ > KP and Placidus@gro ups.comTuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 AM Dear membersPlacidus house division collapses at polar regions.. Westerners admit that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope. Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based. How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it uses Placidus house system What are your views on thisThanksKannan Connect with friends all over the world.. Get India Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 sir, the information is noted with due respect rao chitturu--- On Tue, 10/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 11:22 AM Dear Sirs,Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friendsliving or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm inpractical, unless we create one.The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in suchcases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using TheTraditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'regards/Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "<srinivasankannan77 wrote:>> Dear members>> Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> uses Placidus house system>> What are your views on this>> Thanks>> Kannan> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Bhaskar If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result. Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM Dear Sirs,Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friendsliving or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm inpractical, unless we create one.The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in suchcases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using TheTraditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'regards/Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "<srinivasankannan77 wrote:>> Dear members>> Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> uses Placidus house system>> What are your views on this>> Thanks>> Kannan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Dhanbalanji, I specifically mentioned " nakshatra based", which meant that even if one looks at a Traditional Equal house chart, if one gives predictions based on the StarLord ( This is a part of what KP teaches ), one can get good pointers and can effectively predict on this base, in absence of Placidus division. Before KP, astrology was there, and after KP astrology is still there, but now with more emphasis on nakshatra readings which is the moola mantra given to us, by KP ( Of course KP considers Placidus ), whatever House division one may use. regards/Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends> living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in> practical, unless we create one.> > The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such> cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The> Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'> > regards/Bhaskar.> > @gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "> <srinivasankannan77 wrote:> >> > Dear members> >> > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> > uses Placidus house system> >> > What are your views on this> >> > Thanks> >> > Kannan> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Bhaskar KP is giving more importance to cuspal positions than the planet positions. Since cuspal positions are changing fater than the planets. In the equal bhava tradition method, the trigons cuspal starlord of 1,5,9 are also same. Only the signlord is changing. Therefore KP cannot be applied directly. Only traditional method with divisional charts will be helpful. You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. The divisional charts are the division of sign. Sign contains star. Star contains sub. The traditional astrologers divided the planets according to vimsothari dasa to fix the time of event. The traditional charts are to find out the fate of the person. i.e. whether he met with accident, whether he will marry or not,etc. In tradition system, one can tell all the bhava position if he knows the lagna position. Hence lagna is important in tradition. In all the Divisional charts lagna finds a place. For twins, the lagna of Shastiamsa will change. KP is sublord theory. Sub is the decider. Without sub, there is no KP. As Mr.TinWin said, the Placidus system is the pillar for KP. Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:37 AM Dear Dhanbalanji, I specifically mentioned " nakshatra based", which meant that even if one looks at a Traditional Equal house chart, if one gives predictions based on the StarLord ( This is a part of what KP teaches ), one can get good pointers and can effectively predict on this base, in absence of Placidus division. Before KP, astrology was there, and after KP astrology is still there, but now with more emphasis on nakshatra readings which is the moola mantra given to us, by KP ( Of course KP considers Placidus ), whatever House division one may use. regards/Bhaskar. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: KP and Placidus> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends> living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in> practical, unless we create one.> > The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such> cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The> Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'> > regards/Bhaskar.> > @gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "> <srinivasankannan77 wrote:> >> > Dear members> >> > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> > uses Placidus house system> >> > What are your views on this> >> > Thanks> >> > Kannan> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Dhanbalanji, // You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. // I have never mentioned the above. Thats known as twisting of statements. I had written and meant that the Traditional astrologers are not laying emphasis on StarLords for predictions. There is nothing like True or false information. Its all a matter of perceptions. Most of the Non KP astrologers are predicting on basis of " Planet in Signs " basis, and not on nakshatra basis. This is what I meant. I have meant clearly that KSK has shown all the way through predicting better not by Planets in Signs, but By naskhatra sysrems which people were using less these days. But again I am not saying that people in India are not aware of the Naklshatra system. It is only after KSK that more emphasis was laid on Nakshatra based predictions, is what I meant to say. Another point, I am not new to KP, I know the meaning of Sublord what is it, in the Vimsottari dasha and where it fits in, and how and why the level of the SubLord is made, and through what. I am also aware of the Divisional Charts, and know to make them manually, and so I believe, that explanation does not help me. We should have more constructive exchange of mails rather than picking statements from mails and twisting them and using them, for show case of ones limited knowledge. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> KP is giving more importance to cuspal positions than the planet positions. Since cuspal positions are changing fater than the planets. In the equal bhava tradition method, the trigons cuspal starlord of 1,5,9 are also same. Only the signlord is changing. Therefore KP cannot be applied directly. Only traditional method with divisional charts will be helpful.> You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. The divisional charts are the division of sign. Sign contains star. Star contains sub. The traditional astrologers divided the planets according to vimsothari dasa to fix the time of event. The traditional charts are to find out the fate of the person. i.e. whether he met with accident, whether he will marry or not,etc. > In tradition system, one can tell all the bhava position if he knows the lagna position. Hence lagna is important in tradition. In all the Divisional charts lagna finds a place. For twins, the lagna of Shastiamsa will change.> KP is sublord theory. Sub is the decider. Without sub, there is no KP.> As Mr.TinWin said, the Placidus system is the pillar for KP.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:37 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > I specifically mentioned " nakshatra based", which meant that even if one looks at a Traditional Equal house chart, if one gives predictions based on the StarLord ( This is a part of what KP teaches ), one can get good pointers and can effectively predict on this base, in absence of Placidus division.> Before KP, astrology was there, and after KP astrology is still there, but now with more emphasis on nakshatra readings which is the moola mantra given to us, by KP ( Of course KP considers Placidus ), whatever House division one may use. > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result.> > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: KP and Placidus> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends> > living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in> > practical, unless we create one.> > > > The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such> > cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The> > Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "> > <srinivasankannan77 wrote:> > >> > > Dear members> > >> > > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> > > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> > > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> > > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> > > uses Placidus house system> > >> > > What are your views on this> > >> > > Thanks> > >> > > Kannan> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 , rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: Dear Sir >Yes you will find human life beyond 60 degrees. Fairbanks,Alaska is one example,where my friend stays and I happened to cast his chart years back. Other high latitude places include Scotland,Iceland etc. In all these cases you will find that 12 houses will occupy 4 signs at 3 houses in each sign Regards Kannan > dear sir, > 1)beyond 60 degrees is there any survival of human life > 2) In Kp chart around 60 degrees ( say 57 deg north-scotland etc.,) the spread of some bhavas are likely to be less than the length of kp ayanamsa used for the chart- In such cases whether the kp chart is valid. > rao chitturu > > --- On Tue, 10/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan > Re: KP and Placidus > > Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 11:37 AM > > > > > Daer SrinivasanKannan > You are correct. Placidus system is designed for +60 degree North to -60 degree south. Beyond 60 degrees, placidus will not work. Beyond 60 degrees it is advisable to use equal sign based system. First 30 degrees first bhava, second 30 degrees second bhava and so on. > Dhanabalan  > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, srinivasankannan77 <srinivasankannan77@ > wrote: > > srinivasankannan77 <srinivasankannan77@ > > KP and Placidus > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 AM > > > > > Dear members > > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope. > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based. > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it > uses Placidus house system > > What are your views on this > > Thanks > > Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji Discussion is at polar region, whether Kp is suitable or tradition is suitable? I said that at polar region, KP is not suitable and only tradition is suitable. But you talked in favour of KP and I talked in favour of tradition. Now you are telling that you know tradition. A person who knows tradition and KP will not argue as the way you argued. Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:02 AM Dear Dhanbalanji, // You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. // I have never mentioned the above. Thats known as twisting of statements. I had written and meant that the Traditional astrologers are not laying emphasis on StarLords for predictions. There is nothing like True or false information. Its all a matter of perceptions. Most of the Non KP astrologers are predicting on basis of " Planet in Signs " basis, and not on nakshatra basis. This is what I meant. I have meant clearly that KSK has shown all the way through predicting better not by Planets in Signs, but By naskhatra sysrems which people were using less these days. But again I am not saying that people in India are not aware of the Naklshatra system. It is only after KSK that more emphasis was laid on Nakshatra based predictions, is what I meant to say. Another point, I am not new to KP, I know the meaning of Sublord what is it, in the Vimsottari dasha and where it fits in, and how and why the level of the SubLord is made, and through what. I am also aware of the Divisional Charts, and know to make them manually, and so I believe, that explanation does not help me. We should have more constructive exchange of mails rather than picking statements from mails and twisting them and using them, for show case of ones limited knowledge. best wishes, Bhaskar. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> KP is giving more importance to cuspal positions than the planet positions. Since cuspal positions are changing fater than the planets. In the equal bhava tradition method, the trigons cuspal starlord of 1,5,9 are also same. Only the signlord is changing. Therefore KP cannot be applied directly. Only traditional method with divisional charts will be helpful.> You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. The divisional charts are the division of sign. Sign contains star. Star contains sub. The traditional astrologers divided the planets according to vimsothari dasa to fix the time of event. The traditional charts are to find out the fate of the person. i.e. whether he met with accident, whether he will marry or not,etc. > In tradition system, one can tell all the bhava position if he knows the lagna position. Hence lagna is important in tradition. In all the Divisional charts lagna finds a place. For twins, the lagna of Shastiamsa will change.> KP is sublord theory. Sub is the decider. Without sub, there is no KP.> As Mr.TinWin said, the Placidus system is the pillar for KP.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: KP and Placidus> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:37 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > I specifically mentioned " nakshatra based", which meant that even if one looks at a Traditional Equal house chart, if one gives predictions based on the StarLord ( This is a part of what KP teaches ), one can get good pointers and can effectively predict on this base, in absence of Placidus division.> Before KP, astrology was there, and after KP astrology is still there, but now with more emphasis on nakshatra readings which is the moola mantra given to us, by KP ( Of course KP considers Placidus ), whatever House division one may use. > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result.> > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Subject: Re: KP and Placidus> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends> > living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in> > practical, unless we create one.> > > > The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such> > cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The> > Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "> > <srinivasankannan77 wrote:> > >> > > Dear members> > >> > > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> > > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> > > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> > > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> > > uses Placidus house system> > >> > > What are your views on this> > >> > > Thanks> > >> > > Kannan> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Dhanabalanji, You have once again twisted my statements. I think there is some inconsistency in your grasping of what is written and meant. Even a small boy in KP knows that at Polar regions this will not work. So wheres the question of my supporting this. You do not seem to yunderstand or its being done on purpose. I have said that one must make use of the Traditional Equal house division for chart at Polar region, and use the StarLord as in Kp for predicting the chart. There is some confusion at your side, which I am unable to remove. . I seek leave from this thread. First of all I am yet at loss to understand why are we discussing so much about use of KP or any other system at the Polar charts, in so much eagerness. What are we trying to prove by harping on small issues or non existent ones. Again why are we going in detailed history and mis-utilising time by discussing how was KP made through and from where and which Nadi, which text, what history, what source and blah blah. These are not my areas of interest, both the Making of chart at Polar regions, as well as from which text did KSK learnt KP. Please excuse me. Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> Discussion is at polar region, whether Kp is suitable or tradition is suitable? I said that at polar region, KP is not suitable and only tradition is suitable. But you talked in favour of KP and I talked in favour of tradition. Now you are telling that you know tradition. A person who knows tradition and KP will not argue as the way you argued.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:02 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> // You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. //> I have never mentioned the above. Thats known as twisting of statements. I had written and meant that the Traditional astrologers are not laying emphasis on StarLords for predictions. > There is nothing like True or false information. Its all a matter of perceptions. Most of the Non KP astrologers are predicting on basis of " Planet in Signs " basis, and not on nakshatra basis. This is what I meant. I have meant clearly that KSK has shown all the way through predicting better not by Planets in Signs, but By naskhatra sysrems which people were using less these days. But again I am not saying that people in India are not aware of the Naklshatra system. It is only after KSK that more emphasis was laid on Nakshatra based predictions, is what I meant to say. > Another point, I am not new to KP, I know the meaning of Sublord what is it, in the Vimsottari dasha and where it fits in, and how and why the level of the SubLord is made, and through what.> I am also aware of the Divisional Charts, and know to make them manually, and so I believe, that explanation does not help me. > We should have more constructive exchange of mails rather than picking statements from mails and twisting them and using them, for show case of ones limited knowledge. > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > KP is giving more importance to cuspal positions than the planet positions. Since cuspal positions are changing fater than the planets. In the equal bhava tradition method, the trigons cuspal starlord of 1,5,9 are also same.. Only the signlord is changing. Therefore KP cannot be applied directly. Only traditional method with divisional charts will be helpful.> > You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. The divisional charts are the division of sign. Sign contains star. Star contains sub. The traditional astrologers divided the planets according to vimsothari dasa to fix the time of event. The traditional charts are to find out the fate of the person. i.e. whether he met with accident, whether he will marry or not,etc. > > In tradition system, one can tell all the bhava position if he knows the lagna position. Hence lagna is important in tradition. In all the Divisional charts lagna finds a place. For twins, the lagna of Shastiamsa will change.> > KP is sublord theory. Sub is the decider. Without sub, there is no KP.> > As Mr.TinWin said, the Placidus system is the pillar for KP.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: KP and Placidus> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:37 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > > I specifically mentioned " nakshatra based", which meant that even if one looks at a Traditional Equal house chart, if one gives predictions based on the StarLord ( This is a part of what KP teaches ), one can get good pointers and can effectively predict on this base, in absence of Placidus division.> > Before KP, astrology was there, and after KP astrology is still there, but now with more emphasis on nakshatra readings which is the moola mantra given to us, by KP ( Of course KP considers Placidus ), whatever House division one may use. > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result.> > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: KP and Placidus> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends> > > living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in> > > practical, unless we create one.> > > > > > The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such> > > cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The> > > Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "> > > <srinivasankannan77 wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members> > > >> > > > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> > > > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> > > > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> > > > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> > > > uses Placidus house system> > > >> > > > What are your views on this> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > Kannan> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Members KP can be used in Polar Regions also. The very 1st Table of House, published in India, to replace Raphels Tables, gives the Tables for Polar Regions upto 66 deg north. Beyond that it may not work. raichur --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus Date: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 11:50 AM Dear Dhanabalanji, You have once again twisted my statements. I think there is some inconsistency in your grasping of what is written and meant. Even a small boy in KP knows that at Polar regions this will not work. So wheres the question of my supporting this. You do not seem to yunderstand or its being done on purpose. I have said that one must make use of the Traditional Equal house division for chart at Polar region, and use the StarLord as in Kp for predicting the chart. There is some confusion at your side, which I am unable to remove. . I seek leave from this thread. First of all I am yet at loss to understand why are we discussing so much about use of KP or any other system at the Polar charts, in so much eagerness. What are we trying to prove by harping on small issues or non existent ones. Again why are we going in detailed history and mis-utilising time by discussing how was KP made through and from where and which Nadi, which text, what history, what source and blah blah. These are not my areas of interest, both the Making of chart at Polar regions, as well as from which text did KSK learnt KP. Please excuse me. Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan.> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> Discussion is at polar region, whether Kp is suitable or tradition is suitable? I said that at polar region, KP is not suitable and only tradition is suitable. But you talked in favour of KP and I talked in favour of tradition. Now you are telling that you know tradition. A person who knows tradition and KP will not argue as the way you argued.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP and Placidus> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:02 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> // You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. //> I have never mentioned the above. Thats known as twisting of statements. I had written and meant that the Traditional astrologers are not laying emphasis on StarLords for predictions. > There is nothing like True or false information. Its all a matter of perceptions. Most of the Non KP astrologers are predicting on basis of " Planet in Signs " basis, and not on nakshatra basis. This is what I meant. I have meant clearly that KSK has shown all the way through predicting better not by Planets in Signs, but By naskhatra sysrems which people were using less these days. But again I am not saying that people in India are not aware of the Naklshatra system. It is only after KSK that more emphasis was laid on Nakshatra based predictions, is what I meant to say. > Another point, I am not new to KP, I know the meaning of Sublord what is it, in the Vimsottari dasha and where it fits in, and how and why the level of the SubLord is made, and through what.> I am also aware of the Divisional Charts, and know to make them manually, and so I believe, that explanation does not help me. > We should have more constructive exchange of mails rather than picking statements from mails and twisting them and using them, for show case of ones limited knowledge. > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > KP is giving more importance to cuspal positions than the planet positions. Since cuspal positions are changing fater than the planets. In the equal bhava tradition method, the trigons cuspal starlord of 1,5,9 are also same.. Only the signlord is changing. Therefore KP cannot be applied directly. Only traditional method with divisional charts will be helpful.> > You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. The divisional charts are the division of sign. Sign contains star. Star contains sub. The traditional astrologers divided the planets according to vimsothari dasa to fix the time of event. The traditional charts are to find out the fate of the person. i.e. whether he met with accident, whether he will marry or not,etc. > > In tradition system, one can tell all the bhava position if he knows the lagna position. Hence lagna is important in tradition. In all the Divisional charts lagna finds a place. For twins, the lagna of Shastiamsa will change.> > KP is sublord theory. Sub is the decider. Without sub, there is no KP.> > As Mr.TinWin said, the Placidus system is the pillar for KP.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: KP and Placidus> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:37 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > > I specifically mentioned " nakshatra based", which meant that even if one looks at a Traditional Equal house chart, if one gives predictions based on the StarLord ( This is a part of what KP teaches ), one can get good pointers and can effectively predict on this base, in absence of Placidus division.> > Before KP, astrology was there, and after KP astrology is still there, but now with more emphasis on nakshatra readings which is the moola mantra given to us, by KP ( Of course KP considers Placidus ), whatever House division one may use. > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result.> > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: KP and Placidus> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends> > > living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in> > > practical, unless we create one.> > > > > > The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such> > > cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The> > > Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "> > > <srinivasankannan77 wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members> > > >> > > > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> > > > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> > > > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> > > > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> > > > uses Placidus house system> > > >> > > > What are your views on this> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > Kannan> > > >> > >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dear Raichurji In that case, three or four houses fall in one sign.Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: Re: KP and Placidus Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:09 AM Dear Members KP can be used in Polar Regions also. The very 1st Table of House, published in India, to replace Raphels Tables, gives the Tables for Polar Regions upto 66 deg north. Beyond that it may not work. raichur --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: KP and Placidus@gro ups.comWednesday, 11 February, 2009, 11:50 AM Dear Dhanabalanji, You have once again twisted my statements. I think there is some inconsistency in your grasping of what is written and meant. Even a small boy in KP knows that at Polar regions this will not work. So wheres the question of my supporting this. You do not seem to yunderstand or its being done on purpose. I have said that one must make use of the Traditional Equal house division for chart at Polar region, and use the StarLord as in Kp for predicting the chart. There is some confusion at your side, which I am unable to remove. . I seek leave from this thread. First of all I am yet at loss to understand why are we discussing so much about use of KP or any other system at the Polar charts, in so much eagerness. What are we trying to prove by harping on small issues or non existent ones. Again why are we going in detailed history and mis-utilising time by discussing how was KP made through and from where and which Nadi, which text, what history, what source and blah blah. These are not my areas of interest, both the Making of chart at Polar regions, as well as from which text did KSK learnt KP. Please excuse me. Bhaskar. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> Discussion is at polar region, whether Kp is suitable or tradition is suitable? I said that at polar region, KP is not suitable and only tradition is suitable. But you talked in favour of KP and I talked in favour of tradition. Now you are telling that you know tradition. A person who knows tradition and KP will not argue as the way you argued.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: KP and Placidus> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:02 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> // You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. //> I have never mentioned the above. Thats known as twisting of statements. I had written and meant that the Traditional astrologers are not laying emphasis on StarLords for predictions. > There is nothing like True or false information. Its all a matter of perceptions. Most of the Non KP astrologers are predicting on basis of " Planet in Signs " basis, and not on nakshatra basis. This is what I meant. I have meant clearly that KSK has shown all the way through predicting better not by Planets in Signs, but By naskhatra sysrems which people were using less these days. But again I am not saying that people in India are not aware of the Naklshatra system. It is only after KSK that more emphasis was laid on Nakshatra based predictions, is what I meant to say. > Another point, I am not new to KP, I know the meaning of Sublord what is it, in the Vimsottari dasha and where it fits in, and how and why the level of the SubLord is made, and through what.> I am also aware of the Divisional Charts, and know to make them manually, and so I believe, that explanation does not help me. > We should have more constructive exchange of mails rather than picking statements from mails and twisting them and using them, for show case of ones limited knowledge. > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > KP is giving more importance to cuspal positions than the planet positions. Since cuspal positions are changing fater than the planets. In the equal bhava tradition method, the trigons cuspal starlord of 1,5,9 are also same.. Only the signlord is changing. Therefore KP cannot be applied directly. Only traditional method with divisional charts will be helpful.> > You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. The divisional charts are the division of sign. Sign contains star. Star contains sub. The traditional astrologers divided the planets according to vimsothari dasa to fix the time of event. The traditional charts are to find out the fate of the person. i.e. whether he met with accident, whether he will marry or not,etc. > > In tradition system, one can tell all the bhava position if he knows the lagna position. Hence lagna is important in tradition. In all the Divisional charts lagna finds a place. For twins, the lagna of Shastiamsa will change.> > KP is sublord theory. Sub is the decider. Without sub, there is no KP.> > As Mr.TinWin said, the Placidus system is the pillar for KP.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: KP and Placidus> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:37 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > > I specifically mentioned " nakshatra based", which meant that even if one looks at a Traditional Equal house chart, if one gives predictions based on the StarLord ( This is a part of what KP teaches ), one can get good pointers and can effectively predict on this base, in absence of Placidus division.> > Before KP, astrology was there, and after KP astrology is still there, but now with more emphasis on nakshatra readings which is the moola mantra given to us, by KP ( Of course KP considers Placidus ), whatever House division one may use. > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result.> > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: KP and Placidus> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends> > > living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in> > > practical, unless we create one.> > > > > > The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such> > > cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The> > > Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "> > > <srinivasankannan77 wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members> > > >> > > > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> > > > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> > > > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> > > > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> > > > uses Placidus house system> > > >> > > > What are your views on this> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > Kannan> > > >> > >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 yes, you are right raichur anant --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: KP and PlacidusDate: Wednesday, 11 February, 2009, 1:00 PM Dear Raichurji In that case, three or four houses fall in one sign.Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: Re: KP and Placidus Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:09 AM Dear Members KP can be used in Polar Regions also. The very 1st Table of House, published in India, to replace Raphels Tables, gives the Tables for Polar Regions upto 66 deg north. Beyond that it may not work. raichur --- On Wed, 11/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: KP and Placidus@gro ups.comWednesday, 11 February, 2009, 11:50 AM Dear Dhanabalanji, You have once again twisted my statements. I think there is some inconsistency in your grasping of what is written and meant. Even a small boy in KP knows that at Polar regions this will not work. So wheres the question of my supporting this. You do not seem to yunderstand or its being done on purpose. I have said that one must make use of the Traditional Equal house division for chart at Polar region, and use the StarLord as in Kp for predicting the chart. There is some confusion at your side, which I am unable to remove. . I seek leave from this thread. First of all I am yet at loss to understand why are we discussing so much about use of KP or any other system at the Polar charts, in so much eagerness. What are we trying to prove by harping on small issues or non existent ones. Again why are we going in detailed history and mis-utilising time by discussing how was KP made through and from where and which Nadi, which text, what history, what source and blah blah. These are not my areas of interest, both the Making of chart at Polar regions, as well as from which text did KSK learnt KP. Please excuse me. Bhaskar. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji> Discussion is at polar region, whether Kp is suitable or tradition is suitable? I said that at polar region, KP is not suitable and only tradition is suitable. But you talked in favour of KP and I talked in favour of tradition. Now you are telling that you know tradition. A person who knows tradition and KP will not argue as the way you argued.> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: KP and Placidus> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 10:02 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji,> // You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. //> I have never mentioned the above. Thats known as twisting of statements. I had written and meant that the Traditional astrologers are not laying emphasis on StarLords for predictions. > There is nothing like True or false information. Its all a matter of perceptions. Most of the Non KP astrologers are predicting on basis of " Planet in Signs " basis, and not on nakshatra basis. This is what I meant. I have meant clearly that KSK has shown all the way through predicting better not by Planets in Signs, but By naskhatra sysrems which people were using less these days. But again I am not saying that people in India are not aware of the Naklshatra system. It is only after KSK that more emphasis was laid on Nakshatra based predictions, is what I meant to say. > Another point, I am not new to KP, I know the meaning of Sublord what is it, in the Vimsottari dasha and where it fits in, and how and why the level of the SubLord is made, and through what.> I am also aware of the Divisional Charts, and know to make them manually, and so I believe, that explanation does not help me. > We should have more constructive exchange of mails rather than picking statements from mails and twisting them and using them, for show case of ones limited knowledge. > best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > KP is giving more importance to cuspal positions than the planet positions. Since cuspal positions are changing fater than the planets. In the equal bhava tradition method, the trigons cuspal starlord of 1,5,9 are also same.. Only the signlord is changing. Therefore KP cannot be applied directly. Only traditional method with divisional charts will be helpful.> > You gave false information that the traditional astrologers are not taking starlord for the planets and cusps. The divisional charts are the division of sign. Sign contains star. Star contains sub. The traditional astrologers divided the planets according to vimsothari dasa to fix the time of event. The traditional charts are to find out the fate of the person. i.e. whether he met with accident, whether he will marry or not,etc. > > In tradition system, one can tell all the bhava position if he knows the lagna position. Hence lagna is important in tradition. In all the Divisional charts lagna finds a place. For twins, the lagna of Shastiamsa will change.> > KP is sublord theory. Sub is the decider. Without sub, there is no KP.> > As Mr.TinWin said, the Placidus system is the pillar for KP.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: KP and Placidus> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:37 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > > I specifically mentioned " nakshatra based", which meant that even if one looks at a Traditional Equal house chart, if one gives predictions based on the StarLord ( This is a part of what KP teaches ), one can get good pointers and can effectively predict on this base, in absence of Placidus division.> > Before KP, astrology was there, and after KP astrology is still there, but now with more emphasis on nakshatra readings which is the moola mantra given to us, by KP ( Of course KP considers Placidus ), whatever House division one may use. > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > If you use traditional house division, the cuspal sublords for each trigons are same. Houses 1,5,9 sublords are same and so on. Prediction in KP using traditional equal bhava method will not give result.> > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: KP and Placidus> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs,> > > > > > Not many KP Astrologers in India ( Or None ???) would be having friends> > > living or born in the Polar regions, so theres not much of a probelm in> > > practical, unless we create one.> > > > > > The methods of Prediction- nakshatra based can be incorporated in such> > > cases, if at all someone is given a birth chart from there, using The> > > Traditional House divisions, while rest remaining same.'> > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "srinivasankannan77 "> > > <srinivasankannan77 wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members> > > >> > > > Placidus house division collapses at polar regions. Westerners admit> > > > that people born in polar circles will go without a horoscope.> > > > Traditional vedic astrology escapes this problem as it is sign based.> > > > How does KP handle this situation and analyse the polar charts, as it> > > > uses Placidus house system> > > >> > > > What are your views on this> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > Kannan> > > >> > >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bring your gang together. Do your thing. Find your favourite Group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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