Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Dear Bhaksar ji, KP System heavily rely upon house division (Placidus) which depends upon the ascendant and that is the reason judging chart from Moon has been discarded later on by Shri KSK. I believe, there are mathematical reasons more than the astrological reasons for not using Moon chart in KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Dear Punitji, If Shri KSK ji has discarded this then no sense in us wasting time on what one has already experienced and concluded, especially from a Master like KSK. There seems to be some logical base otherwise too for this. Because the Lagna or the meeting of the eastern Horizon does not stand on the Moons positions which stays for 2 1/2 days at whatever position it is. So naturally we cannot base our pharma ( Bracket ) on this. Another reason is probably the Moon only shows the mental inclinations of a native in which direction, while the Lagna actually shows whether the fruits as per mental inclination will be available to the native or not. regards, Bhaskar. , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Bhaksar ji, > > KP System heavily rely upon house division (Placidus) which depends upon the > ascendant and that is the reason judging chart from Moon has been discarded > later on by Shri KSK. I believe, there are mathematical reasons more than > the astrological reasons for not using Moon chart in KP. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through > > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through > > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried > > through KP. > > > > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have > > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon > > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? > > > > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your > > observations. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Major Changes between KP 2 Volumes of 1965 and KP Reader III of 1971 9. In the Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2, it was ascertained whether Lagna is strong or the Moon sign is strong in the examples of pp 82, 89-91, 118, 255, 261-2, 264, 313, 316, and the Moon sign was taken as the first house in the two examples of pp 118 and 264. 10. However, based on further research and findings, Guruji KSK had modified "to consider always only Lagna and never the Moon sign", giving the reasons in the KP Reader III, Old Edition, Practical Part, p 85 (New Edition pp 243-4), KP Reader III, Old Edition, Practical Part, p 259 (New Edition pp 432-3) and Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Preface, Astrological Tables for All by R. Eshwara Manu. 11. Accordingly those earlier writings "to consider whether Lagna is strong or the Moon sign is strong" in the Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol. 2 are deleted in the OE of the KP Reader III. - - - Evolution of KP from the KP original 2 volumes to the KP Readers I-VI- - - KPEzine Sept 2008/ Astrovision Sept 2008 , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Punitji,> > If Shri KSK ji has discarded this then no sense in us wasting time on> what one has already experienced and concluded, especially from a Master> like KSK.> > There seems to be some logical base otherwise too for this. Because the> Lagna or the meeting of the eastern Horizon does not stand on the Moons> positions which stays for 2 1/2 days at whatever position it is. So> naturally we cannot base our pharma ( Bracket ) on this. Another reason> is probably the Moon only shows the mental inclinations of a native in> which direction, while the Lagna actually shows whether the fruits as> per mental inclination will be available to the native or not.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaksar ji,> >> > KP System heavily rely upon house division (Placidus) which depends> upon the> > ascendant and that is the reason judging chart from Moon has been> discarded> > later on by Shri KSK. I believe, there are mathematical reasons more> than> > the astrological reasons for not using Moon chart in KP.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart> through> > > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through> > > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never> tried> > > through KP.> > >> > > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what> have> > > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by> keeping Moon> > > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant?> > >> > > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your> > > observations.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Punitji Lagna takes 2 hours to cross one sign. Moon takes 2 1/4 days to cross one sign. For accuracy, the fast moving lagna is taken as basis for KP.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: KP From Moon Lagna ? Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 5:07 PM Dear Bhaksar ji, KP System heavily rely upon house division (Placidus) which depends upon the ascendant and that is the reason judging chart from Moon has been discarded later on by Shri KSK. I believe, there are mathematical reasons more than the astrological reasons for not using Moon chart in KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, Namaskar. Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't think any one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ). With regards. Dr. Rath Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM KP From Moon Lagna ? Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Dhanabalan ji, I don't agree to your statement. KP talks about two more faster moving points - Hora and Fortuna but that doesn't mean that those points can be utilized in place of ascendant. Also, the fact that ascendant moves faster was known to our sages very well, still almost all astrological texts mentioned about choosing among Moon and Ascendant based on the strength. The reason is that classical astrology is primarily based on relative sign positions rather than the house positions. The reason for using, ascendant, as I mentioned in my last email is that we can not calculate house from moon's position. We can only get relative rasi position which is an approximation. If you have to use house division, there is no alternate to ascendant. That is the reason I said that it is more due to mathematical reasons rather than astrological reasons. This post can also be supportive in this context - http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/2008/03/diference-between-lagna-chalit-chart.html. For the classical astrologers, my suggestion is that even they are using moon's chart, they should check the house position in bhava madhya chakra for assessing the house position. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dear Punitji Lagna takes 2 hours to cross one sign. Moon takes 2 1/4 days to cross one sign. For accuracy, the fast moving lagna is taken as basis for KP.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: KP From Moon Lagna ? Saturday, February 7, 2009, 5:07 PM Dear Bhaksar ji, KP System heavily rely upon house division (Placidus) which depends upon the ascendant and that is the reason judging chart from Moon has been discarded later on by Shri KSK. I believe, there are mathematical reasons more than the astrological reasons for not using Moon chart in KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Punitji On my observation, the traditional astrologers are giving prediction based on the lagna and moon sign. They are not bother much whether lagna is strong or moon sign is strong. Invariably they have taken both lagna and moon sign simultaneously for prediction. Moon represents body and mind. Lagna represents life(Athma). 90% of the taditional astrologers are giving prediction on sign based house without bhava chakra. Mostly they rely on Navamsa. Lot of confusion in how to read Navamsa. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: KP From Moon Lagna ? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 7:38 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, I don't agree to your statement. KP talks about two more faster moving points - Hora and Fortuna but that doesn't mean that those points can be utilized in place of ascendant. Also, the fact that ascendant moves faster was known to our sages very well, still almost all astrological texts mentioned about choosing among Moon and Ascendant based on the strength. The reason is that classical astrology is primarily based on relative sign positions rather than the house positions. The reason for using, ascendant, as I mentioned in my last email is that we can not calculate house from moon's position. We can only get relative rasi position which is an approximation. If you have to use house division, there is no alternate to ascendant. That is the reason I said that it is more due to mathematical reasons rather than astrological reasons. This post can also be supportive in this context - http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro logy/2008/ 03/diference- between-lagna- chalit-chart. html. For the classical astrologers, my suggestion is that even they are using moon's chart, they should check the house position in bhava madhya chakra for assessing the house position. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Punitji Lagna takes 2 hours to cross one sign. Moon takes 2 1/4 days to cross one sign. For accuracy, the fast moving lagna is taken as basis for KP.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009, 5:07 PM Dear Bhaksar ji, KP System heavily rely upon house division (Placidus) which depends upon the ascendant and that is the reason judging chart from Moon has been discarded later on by Shri KSK. I believe, there are mathematical reasons more than the astrological reasons for not using Moon chart in KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Lutherji The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is proved already in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign as lagna is that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If any one taking moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we should appreciate them. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: KP From Moon Lagna ? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM Dear Bhaskarji, Namaskar. Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't think any one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ). With regards. Dr. Rath Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM KP From Moon Lagna ? Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Dhanabalan ji, I agree. Whatever system we follow, we should follow concepts of the system fully till the time we ourselves are clear with the reasoning behind the concepts. Once we understand the development process of those concepts, then only we should experiment. If classical astrologers are selecting between moon chart and lagna chart without assessing the power, in my opinion, it is not correct. I believe, so many books written by so many astrologers have confused classical astrologers. We can see the similar situation with KP as well, where so many unverified thoughts are coming everyday. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dear Punitji On my observation, the traditional astrologers are giving prediction based on the lagna and moon sign. They are not bother much whether lagna is strong or moon sign is strong. Invariably they have taken both lagna and moon sign simultaneously for prediction. Moon represents body and mind. Lagna represents life(Athma). 90% of the taditional astrologers are giving prediction on sign based house without bhava chakra. Mostly they rely on Navamsa. Lot of confusion in how to read Navamsa. Dhanabalan --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: KP From Moon Lagna ? Sunday, February 8, 2009, 7:38 AM Dear Dhanabalan ji, I don't agree to your statement. KP talks about two more faster moving points - Hora and Fortuna but that doesn't mean that those points can be utilized in place of ascendant. Also, the fact that ascendant moves faster was known to our sages very well, still almost all astrological texts mentioned about choosing among Moon and Ascendant based on the strength. The reason is that classical astrology is primarily based on relative sign positions rather than the house positions. The reason for using, ascendant, as I mentioned in my last email is that we can not calculate house from moon's position. We can only get relative rasi position which is an approximation. If you have to use house division, there is no alternate to ascendant. That is the reason I said that it is more due to mathematical reasons rather than astrological reasons. This post can also be supportive in this context - http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro logy/2008/ 03/diference- between-lagna- chalit-chart. html. For the classical astrologers, my suggestion is that even they are using moon's chart, they should check the house position in bhava madhya chakra for assessing the house position. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Punitji Lagna takes 2 hours to cross one sign. Moon takes 2 1/4 days to cross one sign. For accuracy, the fast moving lagna is taken as basis for KP.Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?@gro ups.com Saturday, February 7, 2009, 5:07 PM Dear Bhaksar ji, KP System heavily rely upon house division (Placidus) which depends upon the ascendant and that is the reason judging chart from Moon has been discarded later on by Shri KSK. I believe, there are mathematical reasons more than the astrological reasons for not using Moon chart in KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Dhanabalan ji, Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers are not of Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process and later on Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses and learns. None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only on basis of one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis of many charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should not ignore the divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendant and its division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from the moon chart for judging the house position we should refer back to the bhava chart only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we can predict about twins using KP, we can very well with the classical astrology. If somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistake and it should not be blamed on any system. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dear Lutherji The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is proved already in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign as lagna is that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If any one taking moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we should appreciate them. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: KP From Moon Lagna ? Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM Dear Bhaskarji, Namaskar. Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't think any one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ). With regards. Dr. Rath Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.com Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM KP From Moon Lagna ? Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Punit ji, Ascendant is the house which denote the what type of shape,rooms,ventilation ,light,space,darkness etc. native will have.So ascendant is most important to decide the every thing that resider will have in his hand to explore his quality in life time. Planets are members of house they shows by their placing how they will use the house to function the system.Moon is exhibit the mind system of native(Mainly) so Dasa system made by Moon Nakshatra.After all Dasa will give the result(how he will use the house,the actions) to native but it will good or bad it will decide by Ascendant(Rashi chart),which room allotted to planet. In tradition astrology we consider Ascendant the main to produce the result,no any confusion.Moon ascendant for transit effect for confirmation of result, if any doubt,supporting tool.Even Sun ascendant also.For further confermation we look the Karaktavtwa of planet,as we look for Father we look 9th house(some look 10house)first than for confermation 9th from Sun because Sun is Karaktatva of Father.For mother 4th house,4th from Moon as like this. So ascendant is main to decide the planets Karktatva.It will repersent 6th,8th or 12th or 1st,5th or 9th.If planet repersent first group than picture will harmful and if second one than picture will palatable.It will decide by only rising ascendant at the time of birth,not by Moon Lagna. In all Ascendant is the main and final to use as the Lagna,as i have understand by astrology. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers are not of > Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process and later on > Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP > system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses and learns. > > None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only on basis of > one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis of many > charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should not ignore the > divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendant and its > division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from the moon > chart for judging the house position we should refer back to the bhava chart > only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we can predict > about twins using KP, we can very well with the classical astrology. If > somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistake and it > should not be blamed on any system. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > > Dear Lutherji > > The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is proved already > > in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign as lagna is > > that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If any one taking > > moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we should appreciate them. > > Dhanabalan > > --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther* wrote: > > > > Luther Rath <rathluther > > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? > > > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Namaskar. > > Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has > > discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native > > almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't think any > > one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is > > welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ). > > With regards. > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > *To:* @gro ups.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM > > *Subject:* KP From Moon Lagna ? > > > > Dear Friends, > > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through > > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through > > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried > > through KP. > > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have > > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon > > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? > > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your > > observations. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Bohra ji,In your explanation, you neither talked about 16-vargas nor house division. Without that how you will explain the cases of twins as asked by Dhanabalan ji? Thanks & Regards, Punit PandeyOn Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: Dear Punit ji, Ascendant is the house which denote the what type of shape,rooms,ventilation ,light,space,darkness etc. native will have.So ascendant is most important to decide the every thing that resider will have in his hand to explore his quality in life time. Planets are members of house they shows by their placing how they will use the house to function the system.Moon is exhibit the mind system of native(Mainly) so Dasa system made by Moon Nakshatra.After all Dasa will give the result(how he will use the house,the actions) to native but it will good or bad it will decide by Ascendant(Rashi chart),which room allotted to planet. In tradition astrology we consider Ascendant the main to produce the result,no any confusion.Moon ascendant for transit effect for confirmation of result, if any doubt,supporting tool.Even Sun ascendant also.For further confermation we look the Karaktavtwa of planet,as we look for Father we look 9th house(some look 10house)first than for confermation 9th from Sun because Sun is Karaktatva of Father.For mother 4th house,4th from Moon as like this. So ascendant is main to decide the planets Karktatva.It will repersent 6th,8th or 12th or 1st,5th or 9th.If planet repersent first group than picture will harmful and if second one than picture will palatable.It will decide by only rising ascendant at the time of birth,not by Moon Lagna. In all Ascendant is the main and final to use as the Lagna,as i have understand by astrology. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers are not of > Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process and later on > Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP > system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses and learns. > > None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only on basis of > one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis of many > charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should not ignore the > divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendant and its > division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from the moon > chart for judging the house position we should refer back to the bhava chart > only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we can predict > about twins using KP, we can very well with the classical astrology. If > somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistake and it > should not be blamed on any system. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > > Dear Lutherji > > The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is proved already > > in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign as lagna is > > that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If any one taking > > moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we should appreciate them. > > Dhanabalan > > --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther* wrote: > > > > Luther Rath <rathluther > > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? > > > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > Namaskar. > > Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has > > discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native > > almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't think any > > one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is > > welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ). > > With regards. > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > *To:* @gro ups.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM > > *Subject:* KP From Moon Lagna ? > > > > Dear Friends, > > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through > > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through > > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried > > through KP. > > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have > > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon > > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? > > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your > > observations. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Dear Punitji, The topic is consideration of Ascendant as per Rashi or as per Moon so i have only compare the both.Definitely for deep analysis we must go in other Vargas as like room in the room and again in this room one more room as like that we will go in deeply to analyse the real facts. Bur broad picture of construction will be getting by Ascendant only.Definitely Moon Ascendant help us to clear the doubt.But consideration main character it will explore by Ascendant(Rashi). Planets little moments will be observe by further division only as like sun-sub-sub of KP system. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: > > Dear Bohra ji, > > In your explanation, you neither talked about 16-vargas nor house division. > Without that how you will explain the cases of twins as asked by Dhanabalan > ji? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:26 PM, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > Ascendant is the house which denote the what type of > > shape,rooms,ventilation ,light,space,darkness etc. native will have.So > > ascendant is most important to decide the every thing that resider > > will have in his hand to explore his quality in life time. > > > > Planets are members of house they shows by their placing how they will > > use the house to function the system.Moon is exhibit the mind system > > of native(Mainly) so Dasa system made by Moon Nakshatra.After all Dasa > > will give the result(how he will use the house,the actions) to native > > but it will good or bad it will decide by Ascendant(Rashi chart),which > > room allotted to planet. > > > > In tradition astrology we consider Ascendant the main to produce the > > result,no any confusion.Moon ascendant for transit effect for > > confirmation of result, if any doubt,supporting tool.Even Sun > > ascendant also.For further confermation we look the Karaktavtwa of > > planet,as we look for Father we look 9th house(some look 10house)first > > than for confermation 9th from Sun because Sun is Karaktatva of > > Father.For mother 4th house,4th from Moon as like this. > > > > So ascendant is main to decide the planets Karktatva.It will repersent > > 6th,8th or 12th or 1st,5th or 9th.If planet repersent first group than > > picture will harmful and if second one than picture will palatable.It > > will decide by only rising ascendant at the time of birth,not by Moon > > Lagna. > > > > In all Ascendant is the main and final to use as the Lagna,as i have > > understand by astrology. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > <%40>, Punit > > Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > > > Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers are > > not of > > > Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process and > > later on > > > Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP > > > system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses and > > learns. > > > > > > None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only on > > basis of > > > one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis of > > many > > > charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should not > > ignore the > > > divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendant > > and its > > > division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from the moon > > > chart for judging the house position we should refer back to the > > bhava chart > > > only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we can > > predict > > > about twins using KP, we can very well with the classical astrology. If > > > somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistake and it > > > should not be blamed on any system. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Lutherji > > > > The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is proved > > already > > > > in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign as > > lagna is > > > > that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If any > > one taking > > > > moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we should > > appreciate them. > > > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@>* wrote: > > > > > > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@> > > > > > > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? > > > > <%40> > > > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has > > > > discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native > > > > almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't > > think any > > > > one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is > > > > welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ). > > > > With regards. > > > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > > *To:* @gro ups.com > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM > > > > *Subject:* KP From Moon Lagna ? > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a > > chart through > > > > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through > > > > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never > > tried > > > > through KP. > > > > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know > > what have > > > > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by > > keeping Moon > > > > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? > > > > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your > > > > observations. > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Respected Sir, We should no doubt appreciate the one who predicts corectly by any method, whether it is done on Moon sign as Ascendant or Sun sign. Prediction of a single chart shall not satisfy us. At least 80 % of his predictions should be correct even with timing. One or two cases may happen by chance. In such cases no credit goes to the individual. Dr. Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 2:19:04 PMRe: KP From Moon Lagna ? Dear Lutherji The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is proved already in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign as lagna is that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If any one taking moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we should appreciate them. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM Dear Bhaskarji, Namaskar. Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't think any one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ). With regards. Dr. Rath Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comSaturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM KP From Moon Lagna ? Dear Friends, I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a chart through KP, treating the Moon sign as Ascendant ? The results through Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never tried through KP. If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know what have been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by keeping Moon Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your observations. regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Sir, Is it not going back to traditional system from KP system. If so the suggested practice is to consider the STRONGEST out of Ascendent/ Moon lagna / Sun lagna in the chart. Main principles of Kp are gone back in the research mode. Ascendent is the main purpose in KP - that - Kp system is a basically Hindusystem blended with principlles of western astrology.This blending cannot be neglected. If traditional systems are resorted to it is better to fully adopt those principles. Getting results in any system is eaasy if one follows the principles of that system - For correct results many astrologers do without too much of mathematical exercise revolving the chart. Kp system makes one comfortable with one chart - on one sheet with all significators. Our research attempts must proove giving good results without much deviation from the priniciples laid down oiginally. Of course , none is prevented to develop a new system - may be away / better than KP system / call it an advanced KP system- It is welcome. If so.. GOOD LUCK. rao chitturu.--- On Sun, 8/2/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? Date: Sunday, 8 February, 2009, 5:26 PM Dear Punit ji,Ascendant is the house which denote the what type ofshape,rooms, ventilation ,light,space, darkness etc. native will have.Soascendant is most important to decide the every thing that residerwill have in his hand to explore his quality in life time.Planets are members of house they shows by their placing how they willuse the house to function the system.Moon is exhibit the mind systemof native(Mainly) so Dasa system made by Moon Nakshatra.After all Dasawill give the result(how he will use the house,the actions) to nativebut it will good or bad it will decide by Ascendant(Rashi chart),whichroom allotted to planet.In tradition astrology we consider Ascendant the main to produce theresult,no any confusion.Moon ascendant for transit effect forconfirmation of result, if any doubt,supporting tool.Even Sunascendant also.For further confermation we look the Karaktavtwa ofplanet,as we look for Father we look 9th house(some look 10house)firstthan for confermation 9th from Sun because Sun is Karaktatva ofFather.For mother 4th house,4th from Moon as like this.So ascendant is main to decide the planets Karktatva.It will repersent6th,8th or 12th or 1st,5th or 9th.If planet repersent first group thanpicture will harmful and if second one than picture will palatable.Itwill decide by only rising ascendant at the time of birth,not by MoonLagna.In all Ascendant is the main and final to use as the Lagna,as i haveunderstand by astrology.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers arenot of> Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process andlater on> Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP> system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses andlearns.> > None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only onbasis of> one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis ofmany> charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should notignore the> divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendantand its> division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from the moon> chart for judging the house position we should refer back to thebhava chart> only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we canpredict> about twins using KP, we can very well with the classical astrology.. If> somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistake and it> should not be blamed on any system.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > > Dear Lutherji> > The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is provedalready> > in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign aslagna is> > that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If anyone taking> > moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we shouldappreciate them.> > Dhanabalan> > --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>* wrote:> >> > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> > Namaskar.> > Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has> > discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native> > almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don'tthink any> > one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is> > welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ).> > With regards.> > Dr. Rath> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM> > *Subject:* KP From Moon Lagna ?> >> > Dear Friends,> > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing achart through> > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through> > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have nevertried> > through KP.> > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us knowwhat have> > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers bykeeping Moon> > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant?> > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your> > observations.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> > > >> Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Rao Chitturu Mr.KSK has developed the KP system from tradition system after he studied thorouhly the traditional system. The persons having through knowledge in tradition only can understand KP correctly. KP is like college degree course. Tradition is like elementary and high school. One cannot go to the college directly bypassing elementary and high school. Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 2/9/09, rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002Re: Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 3:53 AM Dear Sir, Is it not going back to traditional system from KP system. If so the suggested practice is to consider the STRONGEST out of Ascendent/ Moon lagna / Sun lagna in the chart. Main principles of Kp are gone back in the research mode. Ascendent is the main purpose in KP - that - Kp system is a basically Hindusystem blended with principlles of western astrology.This blending cannot be neglected. If traditional systems are resorted to it is better to fully adopt those principles. Getting results in any system is eaasy if one follows the principles of that system - For correct results many astrologers do without too much of mathematical exercise revolving the chart. Kp system makes one comfortable with one chart - on one sheet with all significators. Our research attempts must proove giving good results without much deviation from the priniciples laid down oiginally. Of course , none is prevented to develop a new system - may be away / better than KP system / call it an advanced KP system- It is welcome. If so.. GOOD LUCK. rao chitturu.--- On Sun, 8/2/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?@gro ups.comSunday, 8 February, 2009, 5:26 PM Dear Punit ji,Ascendant is the house which denote the what type ofshape,rooms, ventilation ,light,space, darkness etc. native will have.Soascendant is most important to decide the every thing that residerwill have in his hand to explore his quality in life time.Planets are members of house they shows by their placing how they willuse the house to function the system.Moon is exhibit the mind systemof native(Mainly) so Dasa system made by Moon Nakshatra.After all Dasawill give the result(how he will use the house,the actions) to nativebut it will good or bad it will decide by Ascendant(Rashi chart),whichroom allotted to planet.In tradition astrology we consider Ascendant the main to produce theresult,no any confusion.Moon ascendant for transit effect forconfirmation of result, if any doubt,supporting tool.Even Sunascendant also.For further confermation we look the Karaktavtwa ofplanet,as we look for Father we look 9th house(some look 10house)firstthan for confermation 9th from Sun because Sun is Karaktatva ofFather.For mother 4th house,4th from Moon as like this.So ascendant is main to decide the planets Karktatva.It will repersent6th,8th or 12th or 1st,5th or 9th.If planet repersent first group thanpicture will harmful and if second one than picture will palatable.Itwill decide by only rising ascendant at the time of birth,not by MoonLagna.In all Ascendant is the main and final to use as the Lagna,as i haveunderstand by astrology.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers arenot of> Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process andlater on> Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP> system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses andlearns.> > None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only onbasis of> one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis ofmany> charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should notignore the> divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendantand its> division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from the moon> chart for judging the house position we should refer back to thebhava chart> only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we canpredict> about twins using KP, we can very well with the classical astrology.. If> somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistake and it> should not be blamed on any system.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > > Dear Lutherji> > The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is provedalready> > in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign aslagna is> > that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If anyone taking> > moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we shouldappreciate them.> > Dhanabalan> > --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>* wrote:> >> > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> > Namaskar.> > Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has> > discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native> > almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don'tthink any> > one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is> > welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ).> > With regards.> > Dr. Rath> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM> > *Subject:* KP From Moon Lagna ?> >> > Dear Friends,> > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing achart through> > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through> > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have nevertried> > through KP.> > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us knowwhat have> > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers bykeeping Moon> > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant?> > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your> > observations.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> > > >> Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Raoji, What is the beauty of KP system? " Simplicity with diversity " .Traditional system is so complex but gives broad knowledge about every aspects of Astrology the base of astrology is Traditional system.Kp jee have understand the complexity so they develop new approach as KP system to make it simple but if you have knowledge of traditional astrology than you can understand better the KP system and your approach to predict will multiply. Kp jee have given or shows the way,Road is not at end point. We have to go ahead to use the KP rules which possible only be development further new aspects.We can start the journey where KP jee have stood us,it will for betterment of this system. If new aspect useful than accept it otherwise discard it,very simple. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > Is it not going back to traditional system from KP system. > If so the suggested practice is to consider the STRONGEST out of Ascendent/ Moon lagna / Sun lagna in the chart. > Main principles of Kp are gone back in the research mode. > Ascendent is the main purpose in KP - that - Kp system is a basically Hindusystem blended with principlles of western astrology.This blending cannot be neglected. > If traditional systems are resorted to it is better to fully adopt those principles. Getting results in any system is eaasy if one follows the principles of that system - For correct results many astrologers do without too much of mathematical exercise revolving the chart. > Kp system makes one comfortable with one chart - on one sheet with all significators. > Our research attempts must proove giving good results without much deviation from the priniciples laid down oiginally. > Of course , none is prevented to develop a new system - may be away / better than KP system / call it an advanced KP system- It is welcome. If so.  GOOD LUCK. > rao chitturu. > --- On Sun, 8/2/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: > > msbohra62 <msbohra62 > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? > > Sunday, 8 February, 2009, 5:26 PM Dear Punit ji, > > Ascendant is the house which denote the what type of > shape,rooms, ventilation ,light,space, darkness etc. native will have.So > ascendant is most important to decide the every thing that resider > will have in his hand to explore his quality in life time. > > Planets are members of house they shows by their placing how they will > use the house to function the system.Moon is exhibit the mind system > of native(Mainly) so Dasa system made by Moon Nakshatra.After all Dasa > will give the result(how he will use the house,the actions) to native > but it will good or bad it will decide by Ascendant(Rashi chart),which > room allotted to planet. > > In tradition astrology we consider Ascendant the main to produce the > result,no any confusion.Moon ascendant for transit effect for > confirmation of result, if any doubt,supporting tool.Even Sun > ascendant also.For further confermation we look the Karaktavtwa of > planet,as we look for Father we look 9th house(some look 10house)first > than for confermation 9th from Sun because Sun is Karaktatva of > Father.For mother 4th house,4th from Moon as like this. > > So ascendant is main to decide the planets Karktatva.It will repersent > 6th,8th or 12th or 1st,5th or 9th.If planet repersent first group than > picture will harmful and if second one than picture will palatable.It > will decide by only rising ascendant at the time of birth,not by Moon > Lagna. > > In all Ascendant is the main and final to use as the Lagna,as i have > understand by astrology. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji, > > > > Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers are > not of > > Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process and > later on > > Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP > > system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses and > learns. > > > > None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only on > basis of > > one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis of > many > > charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should not > ignore the > > divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendant > and its > > division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from the moon > > chart for judging the house position we should refer back to the > bhava chart > > only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we can > predict > > about twins using KP, we can very well with the classical astrology. If > > somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistake and it > > should not be blamed on any system. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Lutherji > > > The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is proved > already > > > in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign as > lagna is > > > that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If any > one taking > > > moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we should > appreciate them. > > > Dhanabalan > > > --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>* wrote: > > > > > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > > > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? > > > @gro ups.com > > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM > > > > > > Dear Bhaskarji, > > > Namaskar. > > > Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has > > > discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native > > > almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't > think any > > > one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is > > > welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ). > > > With regards. > > > Dr. Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- > > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com > > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM > > > *Subject:* KP From Moon Lagna ? > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a > chart through > > > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through > > > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never > tried > > > through KP. > > > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know > what have > > > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by > keeping Moon > > > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant? > > > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your > > > observations. > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Dear Dhanabalam, well said rao chitturu--- On Mon, 9/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 12:01 PM Dear Rao Chitturu Mr.KSK has developed the KP system from tradition system after he studied thorouhly the traditional system. The persons having through knowledge in tradition only can understand KP correctly. KP is like college degree course. Tradition is like elementary and high school. One cannot go to the college directly bypassing elementary and high school. Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 2/9/09, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote: rao chitturu <csr162002 >Re: Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?@gro ups.comMonday, February 9, 2009, 3:53 AM Dear Sir, Is it not going back to traditional system from KP system. If so the suggested practice is to consider the STRONGEST out of Ascendent/ Moon lagna / Sun lagna in the chart. Main principles of Kp are gone back in the research mode. Ascendent is the main purpose in KP - that - Kp system is a basically Hindusystem blended with principlles of western astrology.This blending cannot be neglected. If traditional systems are resorted to it is better to fully adopt those principles. Getting results in any system is eaasy if one follows the principles of that system - For correct results many astrologers do without too much of mathematical exercise revolving the chart. Kp system makes one comfortable with one chart - on one sheet with all significators. Our research attempts must proove giving good results without much deviation from the priniciples laid down oiginally. Of course , none is prevented to develop a new system - may be away / better than KP system / call it an advanced KP system- It is welcome. If so... GOOD LUCK. rao chitturu.--- On Sun, 8/2/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?@gro ups.comSunday, 8 February, 2009, 5:26 PM Dear Punit ji,Ascendant is the house which denote the what type ofshape,rooms, ventilation ,light,space, darkness etc. native will have.Soascendant is most important to decide the every thing that residerwill have in his hand to explore his quality in life time.Planets are members of house they shows by their placing how they willuse the house to function the system.Moon is exhibit the mind systemof native(Mainly) so Dasa system made by Moon Nakshatra.After all Dasawill give the result(how he will use the house,the actions) to nativebut it will good or bad it will decide by Ascendant(Rashi chart),whichroom allotted to planet.In tradition astrology we consider Ascendant the main to produce theresult,no any confusion.Moon ascendant for transit effect forconfirmation of result, if any doubt,supporting tool.Even Sunascendant also.For further confermation we look the Karaktavtwa ofplanet,as we look for Father we look 9th house(some look 10house)firstthan for confermation 9th from Sun because Sun is Karaktatva ofFather.For mother 4th house,4th from Moon as like this.So ascendant is main to decide the planets Karktatva.It will repersent6th,8th or 12th or 1st,5th or 9th.If planet repersent first group thanpicture will harmful and if second one than picture will palatable.Itwill decide by only rising ascendant at the time of birth,not by MoonLagna.In all Ascendant is the main and final to use as the Lagna,as i haveunderstand by astrology.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers arenot of> Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process andlater on> Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP> system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses andlearns.> > None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only onbasis of> one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis ofmany> charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should notignore the> divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendantand its> division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from the moon> chart for judging the house position we should refer back to thebhava chart> only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we canpredict> about twins using KP, we can very well with the classical astrology... If> somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistake and it> should not be blamed on any system.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:> > > Dear Lutherji> > The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is provedalready> > in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign aslagna is> > that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If anyone taking> > moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we shouldappreciate them.> > Dhanabalan> > --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>* wrote:> >> > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> > Namaskar.> > Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes, KSK has> > discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of a native> > almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don'tthink any> > one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it, it is> > welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ).> > With regards.> > Dr. Rath> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- ---------> > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > *To:* @gro ups.com> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM> > *Subject:* KP From Moon Lagna ?> >> > Dear Friends,> > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing achart through> > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through> > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have nevertried> > through KP.> > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us knowwhat have> > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers bykeeping Moon> > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant?> > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your> > observations.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> > > >> Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Did you know? 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Guest guest Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 dear sir, new aspects for development are welcome. rao chitturu--- On Mon, 9/2/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62 wrote: msbohra62 <msbohra62 Re: KP From Moon Lagna ? Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 12:41 PM Dear Raoji,What is the beauty of KP system? "Simplicity withdiversity".Traditio nal system is so complex but gives broad knowledgeabout every aspects of Astrology the base of astrology is Traditionalsystem.Kp jee have understand the complexity so they develop newapproach as KP system to make it simple but if you have knowledge oftraditional astrology than you can understand better the KP system andyour approach to predict will multiply.Kp jee have given or shows the way,Road is not at end point. We haveto go ahead to use the KP rules which possible only be developmentfurther new aspects.We can start the journey where KP jee have stoodus,it will for betterment of this system.If new aspect useful than accept it otherwise discard it,very simple.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Is it not going back to traditional system from KP system.> If so the suggested practice is to consider the STRONGEST out ofAscendent/ Moon lagna / Sun lagna in the chart.> Main principles of Kp are gone back in the research mode.> Ascendent is the main purpose in KP - that - Kp system is abasically Hindusystem blended with principlles of westernastrology.This blending cannot be neglected.> If traditional systems are resorted to it is better to fully adoptthose principles. Getting results in any system is eaasy if onefollows the principles of that system - For correct results manyastrologers do without too much of mathematical exercise revolvingthe chart.> Kp system makes one comfortable with one chart - on one sheet withall significators.> Our research attempts must proove giving good results without muchdeviation from the priniciples laid down oiginally. > Of course , none is prevented to develop a new system - may be away/ better than KP system / call it an advanced KP system- It iswelcome. If so.  GOOD LUCK.> rao chitturu.> --- On Sun, 8/2/09, msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?> @gro ups.com> Sunday, 8 February, 2009, 5:26 PM> > > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> > Ascendant is the house which denote the what type of> shape,rooms, ventilation ,light,space, darkness etc. native will have.So> ascendant is most important to decide the every thing that resider> will have in his hand to explore his quality in life time.> > Planets are members of house they shows by their placing how they will> use the house to function the system.Moon is exhibit the mind system> of native(Mainly) so Dasa system made by Moon Nakshatra.After all Dasa> will give the result(how he will use the house,the actions) to native> but it will good or bad it will decide by Ascendant(Rashi chart),which> room allotted to planet.> > In tradition astrology we consider Ascendant the main to produce the> result,no any confusion.Moon ascendant for transit effect for> confirmation of result, if any doubt,supporting tool.Even Sun> ascendant also.For further confermation we look the Karaktavtwa of> planet,as we look for Father we look 9th house(some look 10house)first> than for confermation 9th from Sun because Sun is Karaktatva of> Father.For mother 4th house,4th from Moon as like this.> > So ascendant is main to decide the planets Karktatva.It will repersent> 6th,8th or 12th or 1st,5th or 9th.If planet repersent first group than> picture will harmful and if second one than picture will palatable.It> will decide by only rising ascendant at the time of birth,not by Moon> Lagna.> > In all Ascendant is the main and final to use as the Lagna,as i have> understand by astrology.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > Usage of Moon chart, doesn't mean that the content of KP readers are> not of> > Mr. KSK. It simply means that there is a development process and> later on> > Shri KSK realized that the ascendant chart makes more sense for KP> > system. This is natural for every astrologer as he progresses and> learns.> > > > None of the text of classical system tells us to predict only on> basis of> > one chart. Classical predictive methodology is based on synthesis of> many> > charts. For example, even if we take moon chart, we should not> ignore the> > divisions altogether. Using moon doesn't mean forgetting ascendant> and its> > division which changes for twins. Also, technically, even from themoon> > chart for judging the house position we should refer back to the> bhava chart> > only the sign ownership and relative position will change. If we can> predict> > about twins using KP, we can very well with the classicalastrology. If> > somebody takes moon chart alone for prediction, it is his mistakeand it> > should not be blamed on any system.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> > > > > Dear Lutherji> > > The content of all the KP Readers are not of Mr.KSK. It is proved> already> > > in this forum. The justification for rejecting the moon sign as> lagna is> > > that it is not helpful to give prediction for the twins. If any> one taking> > > moon sign as lagna and giving correct prediction we should> appreciate them.> > > Dhanabalan> > > --- On *Sun, 2/8/09, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ....>* wrote:> > >> > > Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>> > > Re: KP From Moon Lagna ?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 5:08 AM> > >> > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > Namaskar.> > > Regarding the point in question, as far as my knowledge goes,KSK has> > > discarded the tradition of treating Moon sign as Ascendant of anative> > > almost at the begining of predictive chapters.Therefore I don't> think any> > > one has have done any study in that angle. If some body does it,it is> > > welcome, but it will be out of KSK ( KP ).> > > With regards.> > > Dr. Rath> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > ** Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > *To:* @gro ups.com> > > *Sent:* Saturday, February 7, 2009 7:18:24 PM> > > *Subject:* KP From Moon Lagna ?> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > I am wondering what results could one get through analysing a> chart through> > > KP, treating *the Moon sign as Ascendant* ? The results through> > > Traditional astrology are very much encouraging. But I have never> tried> > > through KP.> > > If any of you have done such studies , then please let us know> what have> > > been the results of your studies ? Do we get better pointers by> keeping Moon> > > Sign as the Lagna ie. treating it as the ascendant?> > > Those who have some experience in this, kindly let us have your> > > observations.> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go tohttp://messenger. / invite/> Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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