Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Dear friends, Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction - He will go out of India. 1) Now if we add the SubSub " D " for predictions, then how can this above prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base to predict from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of the SubSub in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man will be prevented to go out of India ? 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, or the subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Prediction side and how ? 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the matter will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of the SubSub have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the matter shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing. Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rare cases for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas in same star and degrees and same sub, else not. Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and what differences it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ? regards/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Dear friendsWhat I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub sub is, to support the Sub to "do" or "not to do"In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are two planets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub, one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of one of the planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy results enjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the same sign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point out which of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful.-Astro Secrets iiSunaparanthaBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM Predictions as per SubSub Dear friends, Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction - He will go out of India. 1) Now if we add the SubSub "D" for predictions, then how can this above prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base to predict from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of the SubSub in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man will be prevented to go out of India ? 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, or the subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Prediction side and how ? 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the matter will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of the SubSub have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the matter shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing. Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rare cases for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas in same star and degrees and same sub, else not. Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and what differences it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ? regards/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 Dear Suraparantha ji, This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference in Chandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from BTR, what is the role of SubSubs in predictions. regards/Bhaskar. , Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: > > Dear friends > > What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub sub is, to support the Sub to " do " or " not to do " > In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are two planets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub, one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of one of the planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy results enjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the same sign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point out which of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful. > -Astro Secrets ii > Sunaparantha > > > > > ________________________________ > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM > Predictions as per SubSub > > > > Dear friends, > > Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction - > > He will go out of India. > > 1) Now if we add the SubSub " D " for predictions, then how can this above > prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base to predict > from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of the SubSub > in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man will > be prevented to go out of India ? > > 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, or the > subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Prediction side > and how ? > > 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the matter > will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of the SubSub > have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the matter > shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing. > > Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rare cases > for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas in same > star and degrees and same sub, else not. > > Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and what differences > it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ? > > regards/Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Respected Sunaparantha Jee, Please accept my Namaskar. The use of sussub for selection of the sub lord that gives the beneficial result may be important, of course hypothetically. How far is it useful practically when the Birth time is never expected to be correct by seconds? Well this is only an opinion. With regards. Dr. Luther Rath. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:04:01 AM Re: Predictions as per SubSub Dear Suraparantha ji,This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference inChandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from BTR,what is the role of SubSubs in predictions.regards/Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan<sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends>> What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub sub is,to support the Sub to "do" or "not to do"> In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are twoplanets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub,one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of one ofthe planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy resultsenjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the samesign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point outwhich of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful.> -Astro Secrets ii> Sunaparantha>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM> Predictions as per SubSub>>>> Dear friends,>> Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction ->> He will go out of India.>> 1) Now if we add the SubSub "D" for predictions, then how can thisabove> prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base topredict> from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of theSubSub> in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man will> be prevented to go out of India ?>> 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, orthe> subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Predictionside> and how ?>> 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the matter> will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of theSubSub> have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the matter> shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing.>> Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rarecases> for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas insame> star and degrees and same sub, else not.>> Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and whatdifferences> it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ?>> regards/Bhaskar.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Dear Luther Since SubSubSublord is superior than SubSublord, Mr.Mohankumar has choosen SubSubSublord for his prediction. Tomorrow somebody can say that SubSubSubSublord is superior to SubSubSublord and recommend to use SubSubSubSublord for prediction. To avoid further confusion, better to stop at Sublord level for prediction. Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/3/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Predictions as per SubSub Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:29 AM Respected Sunaparantha Jee, Please accept my Namaskar. The use of sussub for selection of the sub lord that gives the beneficial result may be important, of course hypothetically. How far is it useful practically when the Birth time is never expected to be correct by seconds? Well this is only an opinion. With regards. Dr. Luther Rath. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comTuesday, February 3, 2009 12:04:01 AM Re: Predictions as per SubSub Dear Suraparantha ji,This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference inChandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from BTR,what is the role of SubSubs in predictions.regards/Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan<sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends>> What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub sub is,to support the Sub to "do" or "not to do"> In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are twoplanets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub,one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of one ofthe planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy resultsenjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the samesign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point outwhich of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful.> -Astro Secrets ii> Sunaparantha>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM> Predictions as per SubSub>>>> Dear friends,>> Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction ->> He will go out of India.>> 1) Now if we add the SubSub "D" for predictions, then how can thisabove> prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base topredict> from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of theSubSub> in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man will> be prevented to go out of India ?>> 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, orthe> subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Predictionside> and how ?>> 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the matter> will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of theSubSub> have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the matter> shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing.>> Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rarecases> for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas insame> star and degrees and same sub, else not.>> Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and whatdifferences> it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ?>> regards/Bhaskar.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Dear Dhanbalanji, Agreed. Because theres no limit to stretching. Except for fine tuning of the Birth time to seconds, this theory does not hold good, and even if one fine tunes the ascendant to the seconds , what difference does it make to the predictions , because how many of us can predict differently on a 30 seconds to 30 seconds slab on the 3rd or 4th levels ? If one is able to predict correctly even on SubLord basis, the astrologer is considered to be a great one, and predicting on subsub levels needs a super human or a Yogi to predict. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Luther > Since SubSubSublord is superior than SubSublord, Mr.Mohankumar has choosen SubSubSublord for his prediction. Tomorrow somebody can say that SubSubSubSublord is superior to SubSubSublord and recommend to use SubSubSubSublord for prediction. To avoid further confusion, better to stop at Sublord level for prediction. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Luther Rath rathluther wrote: > > Luther Rath rathluther > Re: Re: Predictions as per SubSub > > Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:29 AM > > Respected Sunaparantha Jee, > Please accept my Namaskar. > The use of sussub for selection of the sub lord that gives the beneficial result may be important, of course hypothetically. How far is it useful practically when the Birth time is never expected to be correct by seconds? Well this is only an opinion. > With regards. > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:04:01 AM > Re: Predictions as per SubSub > > > > > Dear Suraparantha ji, > > This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference in > Chandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from BTR, > what is the role of SubSubs in predictions. > > regards/Bhaskar. > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan > <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear friends > > > > What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub sub is, > to support the Sub to " do " or " not to do " > > In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are two > planets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub, > one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of one of > the planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy results > enjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the same > sign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point out > which of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful. > > -Astro Secrets ii > > Sunaparantha > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM > > Predictions as per SubSub > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction - > > > > He will go out of India. > > > > 1) Now if we add the SubSub " D " for predictions, then how can this > above > > prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base to > predict > > from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of the > SubSub > > in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man will > > be prevented to go out of India ? > > > > 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, or > the > > subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Prediction > side > > and how ? > > > > 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the matter > > will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of the > SubSub > > have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the matter > > shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing. > > > > Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rare > cases > > for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas in > same > > star and degrees and same sub, else not. > > > > Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and what > differences > > it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ? > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Dear Sir, Very well said by you and Dhanbalanji . Astrologer should have some limitation Any pridiction made by any astrologer if comes true upto 90% it is good enough. Thanks & Regards Neeraj--- On Tue, 2/3/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Predictions as per SubSub Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 5:49 AM Dear Dhanbalanji,Agreed.Because theres no limit to stretching.Except for fine tuning of the Birth time to seconds, this theory doesnot hold good, and even if one fine tunes the ascendant to the seconds ,what difference does it make to the predictions , because how many of uscan predict differently on a 30 seconds to 30 seconds slab on the 3rd or4th levels ? If one is able to predict correctly even on SubLord basis,the astrologer is considered to be a great one, and predicting onsubsub levels needs a super human or a Yogi to predict.best wishes,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Luther> Since SubSubSublord is superior than SubSublord, Mr.Mohankumar haschoosen SubSubSublord for his prediction. Tomorrow somebody can say thatSubSubSubSublord is superior to SubSubSublord and recommend to useSubSubSubSublord for prediction. To avoid further confusion, better tostop at Sublord level for prediction.> Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Luther Rath rathluther@. .. wrote:>> Luther Rath rathluther@. ..> Re: Re: Predictions as per SubSub> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:29 AM>>>>>>>>> Respected Sunaparantha Jee,> Please accept my Namaskar.> The use of sussub for selection of the sub lord that gives thebeneficial result may be important, of course hypothetically. How far isit useful practically when the Birth time is never expected to becorrect by seconds? Well this is only an opinion.> With regards.> Dr. Luther Rath.>>>>>> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:04:01 AM> Re: Predictions as per SubSub>>>>> Dear Suraparantha ji,>> This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference in> Chandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from BTR,> what is the role of SubSubs in predictions.>> regards/Bhaskar.>> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan> <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear friends> >> > What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub subis,> to support the Sub to "do" or "not to do"> > In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are two> planets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub,> one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of oneof> the planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy results> enjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the same> sign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point out> which of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful.> > -Astro Secrets ii> > Sunaparantha> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM> > Predictions as per SubSub> >> >> >> > Dear friends,> >> > Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction -> >> > He will go out of India.> >> > 1) Now if we add the SubSub "D" for predictions, then how can this> above> > prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base to> predict> > from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of the> SubSub> > in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this manwill> > be prevented to go out of India ?> >> > 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, or> the> > subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Prediction> side> > and how ?> >> > 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides thematter> > will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of the> SubSub> > have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether thematter> > shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing.> >> > Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rare> cases> > for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas in> same> > star and degrees and same sub, else not.> >> > Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and what> differences> > it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ?> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 I agreed with u SirSunaLuther Rath <rathluther Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 5:59:45 AMRe: Re: Predictions as per SubSub Respected Sunaparantha Jee, Please accept my Namaskar. The use of sussub for selection of the sub lord that gives the beneficial result may be important, of course hypothetically. How far is it useful practically when the Birth time is never expected to be correct by seconds? Well this is only an opinion. With regards. Dr. Luther Rath. Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>@gro ups.comTuesday, February 3, 2009 12:04:01 AM Re: Predictions as per SubSub Dear Suraparantha ji,This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference inChandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from BTR,what is the role of SubSubs in predictions.regards/Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan<sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends>> What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub sub is,to support the Sub to "do" or "not to do"> In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are twoplanets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub,one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of one ofthe planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy resultsenjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the samesign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point outwhich of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful.> -Astro Secrets ii> Sunaparantha>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM> Predictions as per SubSub>>>> Dear friends,>> Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction ->> He will go out of India.>> 1) Now if we add the SubSub "D" for predictions, then how can thisabove> prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base topredict> from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of theSubSub> in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man will> be prevented to go out of India ?>> 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, orthe> subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Predictionside> and how ?>> 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the matter> will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of theSubSub> have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the matter> shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing.>> Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rarecases> for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas insame> star and degrees and same sub, else not.>> Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and whatdifferences> it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ?>> regards/Bhaskar.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Respecte Mr. Bhaskar, Sir, " Oh Brutus! You too ------ " Are the words that came to my lips after I read your post on this subject. I never expected such an approach from a person whom I hold in high esteem, like shri. Raichur, shri. Lajmi, shri. Tinwin and other seniors.Any fundamental research is never immediately useful. When electricity or magnetism or force of gravity were discovered , what and how much was the immediate use? But now we know that the whole of our advancement stands on such discoveries and inventions. In my openion the theory of Sub-Sub-Sub might not be useful now but later, it might give us better results. Let us fine tune the ascendant first to accuracy of seconds,how to predict differently based on the slabs of thirty seconds or twenty seconds can be discovered later provided we encourage such research. Excuse me for being frank, no ill-will meant. Regards, sujat. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > > Agreed. > > Because theres no limit to stretching. > > Except for fine tuning of the Birth time to seconds, this theory does > not hold good, and even if one fine tunes the ascendant to the seconds , > what difference does it make to the predictions , because how many of us > can predict differently on a 30 seconds to 30 seconds slab on the 3rd or > 4th levels ? If one is able to predict correctly even on SubLord basis, > the astrologer is considered to be a great one, and predicting on > subsub levels needs a super human or a Yogi to predict. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Luther > > Since SubSubSublord is superior than SubSublord, Mr.Mohankumar has > choosen SubSubSublord for his prediction. Tomorrow somebody can say that > SubSubSubSublord is superior to SubSubSublord and recommend to use > SubSubSubSublord for prediction. To avoid further confusion, better to > stop at Sublord level for prediction. > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote: > > > > Luther Rath rathluther@ > > Re: Re: Predictions as per SubSub > > > > Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sunaparantha Jee, > > Please accept my Namaskar. > > The use of sussub for selection of the sub lord that gives the > beneficial result may be important, of course hypothetically. How far is > it useful practically when the Birth time is never expected to be > correct by seconds? Well this is only an opinion. > > With regards. > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > @gro ups.com > > Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:04:01 AM > > Re: Predictions as per SubSub > > > > > > > > > > Dear Suraparantha ji, > > > > This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference in > > Chandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from BTR, > > what is the role of SubSubs in predictions. > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan > > <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends > > > > > > What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub sub > is, > > to support the Sub to " do " or " not to do " > > > In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are two > > planets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub, > > one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of one > of > > the planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy results > > enjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the same > > sign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point out > > which of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful. > > > -Astro Secrets ii > > > Sunaparantha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > @gro ups.com > > > Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM > > > Predictions as per SubSub > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction - > > > > > > He will go out of India. > > > > > > 1) Now if we add the SubSub " D " for predictions, then how can this > > above > > > prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base to > > predict > > > from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of the > > SubSub > > > in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man > will > > > be prevented to go out of India ? > > > > > > 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, or > > the > > > subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Prediction > > side > > > and how ? > > > > > > 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the > matter > > > will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of the > > SubSub > > > have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the > matter > > > shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing. > > > > > > Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rare > > cases > > > for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas in > > same > > > star and degrees and same sub, else not. > > > > > > Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and what > > differences > > > it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ? > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Dear Sujatkiran ji, I agree that in future the SSLords can be used for better accuracy. I also agree that one must not be averse to a scientific process of study. But, as of now, we are still grappling with many methods of birth Rectifications, and I doubt if it is possible to rectify 8 out of 10 horoscopes as per the rules, without moving the recorded birth time, to much hither and tither to make it look highly unpractical to the native himself or his family. maybe 5-7 % yes, we may do it without moving too much , but for the rest? God knows ? Therefore unless we arrive at a foolproof method, primarily for recitifcation of Birth time, which suits each and all, and there be a secondary strong method to verify the BTR, then and then only we can think further of SSLords etc. I am in no way against or avert to such researches. They may very well be undergone by those who have the proper scientific bent of mind, and would be certainly welcome if stand strong on a logic test of viability. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " sujatkaram " <sujatkaram wrote: > > Respecte Mr. Bhaskar, > Sir, > " Oh Brutus! You too ------ " Are the words that came to my lips after > I read your post on this subject. I never expected such an approach > from a person whom I hold in high esteem, like shri. Raichur, shri. > Lajmi, shri. Tinwin and other seniors.Any fundamental research is > never immediately useful. When electricity or magnetism or force of > gravity were discovered , what and how much was the immediate use? > But now we know that the whole of our advancement stands on such > discoveries and inventions. > In my openion the theory of Sub-Sub-Sub might not be useful now but > later, it might give us better results. Let us fine tune the > ascendant first to accuracy of seconds,how to predict differently > based on the slabs of thirty seconds or twenty seconds can be > discovered later provided we encourage such research. > Excuse me for being frank, no ill-will meant. > Regards, > sujat. , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > > > > Agreed. > > > > Because theres no limit to stretching. > > > > Except for fine tuning of the Birth time to seconds, this theory > does > > not hold good, and even if one fine tunes the ascendant to the > seconds , > > what difference does it make to the predictions , because how many > of us > > can predict differently on a 30 seconds to 30 seconds slab on the > 3rd or > > 4th levels ? If one is able to predict correctly even on SubLord > basis, > > the astrologer is considered to be a great one, and predicting on > > subsub levels needs a super human or a Yogi to predict. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Luther > > > Since SubSubSublord is superior than SubSublord, Mr.Mohankumar has > > choosen SubSubSublord for his prediction. Tomorrow somebody can say > that > > SubSubSubSublord is superior to SubSubSublord and recommend to use > > SubSubSubSublord for prediction. To avoid further confusion, better > to > > stop at Sublord level for prediction. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote: > > > > > > Luther Rath rathluther@ > > > Re: Re: Predictions as per SubSub > > > > > > Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sunaparantha Jee, > > > Please accept my Namaskar. > > > The use of sussub for selection of the sub lord that gives the > > beneficial result may be important, of course hypothetically. How > far is > > it useful practically when the Birth time is never expected to be > > correct by seconds? Well this is only an opinion. > > > With regards. > > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> > > > @gro ups.com > > > Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:04:01 AM > > > Re: Predictions as per SubSub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Suraparantha ji, > > > > > > This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference in > > > Chandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from > BTR, > > > what is the role of SubSubs in predictions. > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan > > > <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friends > > > > > > > > What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub > sub > > is, > > > to support the Sub to " do " or " not to do " > > > > In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are > two > > > planets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same > sub, > > > one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of > one > > of > > > the planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy results > > > enjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the > same > > > sign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point > out > > > which of the two planets will be favourable and which is > unhelpful. > > > > -Astro Secrets ii > > > > Sunaparantha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM > > > > Predictions as per SubSub > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction - > > > > > > > > He will go out of India. > > > > > > > > 1) Now if we add the SubSub " D " for predictions, then how can > this > > > above > > > > prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base to > > > predict > > > > from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of the > > > SubSub > > > > in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this > man > > will > > > > be prevented to go out of India ? > > > > > > > > 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous > one, or > > > the > > > > subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the > Prediction > > > side > > > > and how ? > > > > > > > > 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the > > matter > > > > will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of > the > > > SubSub > > > > have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the > > matter > > > > shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit > amusing. > > > > > > > > Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in > rare > > > cases > > > > for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two > Dashas in > > > same > > > > star and degrees and same sub, else not. > > > > > > > > Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and what > > > differences > > > > it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ? > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Dear Sujatkaram, When one translates the sub-sub into time,it will work out to within seconds,and less than a minute..I guess a prediction ,just for example, for "when will the lights come on again?" it is sufficient accuracy indeed... A more precise and upto the fraction of a second is not expected by a querant...usually... The sub-sub in my oinion needs to be used,in my personal opinion,if there is a doubt(say a dual result could result), arising out of a decision based on the sub alone...to confirm...which option is more correct...etc...(fine-tuning purposes only...). With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. sujatkaram <sujatkaram Sent: Monday, 23 February, 2009 12:22:28 PM Re: Predictions as per SubSub Respecte Mr. Bhaskar,Sir," Oh Brutus! You too ------" Are the words that came to my lips after I read your post on this subject. I never expected such an approach from a person whom I hold in high esteem, like shri. Raichur, shri. Lajmi, shri. Tinwin and other seniors.Any fundamental research is never immediately useful. When electricity or magnetism or force of gravity were discovered , what and how much was the immediate use? But now we know that the whole of our advancement stands on such discoveries and inventions.In my openion the theory of Sub-Sub-Sub might not be useful now but later, it might give us better results. Let us fine tune the ascendant first to accuracy of seconds,how to predict differently based on the slabs of thirty seconds or twenty seconds can be discovered later provided we encourage such research.Excuse me for being frank, no ill-will meant.Regards,sujat.--- In @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Dhanbalanji,> > Agreed.> > Because theres no limit to stretching.> > Except for fine tuning of the Birth time to seconds, this theory does> not hold good, and even if one fine tunes the ascendant to the seconds ,> what difference does it make to the predictions , because how many of us> can predict differently on a 30 seconds to 30 seconds slab on the 3rd or> 4th levels ? If one is able to predict correctly even on SubLord basis,> the astrologer is considered to be a great one, and predicting on> subsub levels needs a super human or a Yogi to predict.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> wrote:> >> > Dear Luther> > Since SubSubSublord is superior than SubSublord, Mr.Mohankumar has> choosen SubSubSublord for his prediction. Tomorrow somebody can say that> SubSubSubSublord is superior to SubSubSublord and recommend to use> SubSubSubSublord for prediction. To avoid further confusion, better to> stop at Sublord level for prediction.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Tue, 2/3/09, Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote:> >> > Luther Rath rathluther@> > Re: Re: Predictions as per SubSub> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 12:29 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Respected Sunaparantha Jee,> > Please accept my Namaskar.> > The use of sussub for selection of the sub lord that gives the> beneficial result may be important, of course hypothetically. How far is> it useful practically when the Birth time is never expected to be> correct by seconds? Well this is only an opinion.> > With regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath.> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 3, 2009 12:04:01 AM> > Re: Predictions as per SubSub> >> >> >> >> > Dear Suraparantha ji,> >> > This has already been pointed out by me by giving reference in> > Chandrakant Bhatts book Page 42. Apart from this and apart from BTR,> > what is the role of SubSubs in predictions.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan> > <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends> > >> > > What I understood by the KP literatures, as the duty of a sub sub> is,> > to support the Sub to "do" or "not to do"> > > In the cases, where the sub lord is to fulfill, but there are two> > planets in close conjunction in the same sign, same star and same sub,> > one of them gives, other doesn't.or the period and sub period of one> of> > the planets in the same sign and, sub promising and happy results> > enjoyed and the period and sub period of the other planet in the same> > sign, star and sub is not, in such cases SUB SUB distinctly point out> > which of the two planets will be favourable and which is unhelpful.> > > -Astro Secrets ii> > > Sunaparantha> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > @gro ups.com> > > Monday, February 2, 2009 3:44:47 PM> > > Predictions as per SubSub> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear friends,> > >> > > Suppose Planet A in star of B in sub of C gives a prediction -> > >> > > He will go out of India.> > >> > > 1) Now if we add the SubSub "D" for predictions, then how can this> > above> > > prediction change, and on what parameters ? What is the base to> > predict> > > from the SubSub? What are the rules ? Can the involvement of the> > SubSub> > > in the prediction also point out to the astrologer, that this man> will> > > be prevented to go out of India ?> > >> > > 2) Change of one SubSubLord to another, either the previous one, or> > the> > > subsequent one, where will this difference occur on the Prediction> > side> > > and how ?> > >> > > 3) If we accept as KP Astrologers that the SubLord decides the> matter> > > will be experienced or put at rest, then what do the users of the> > SubSub> > > have to say about this ? Will the SubSubLord decide whether the> matter> > > shown by the SubLord will happen or not ? I find this a bit amusing.> > >> > > Which is why I prefer to go uptil the sub maximum, unless in rare> > cases> > > for BTR or when checking the comparison of results of two Dashas in> > same> > > star and degrees and same sub, else not.> > >> > > Can anybody explain how to predict with the SubSub and what> > differences> > > it will make to the predictions shown by the Sub ?> > >> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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