Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear members Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear members One correction in my message. "Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification." Please read as below: Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan points for discussion"kpsystem groups" Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:54 AM Dear members Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Dear Dhanabalanji, My observations in Blue. > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. No comments. > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. kind regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Respected Sir, Namasthe. 1."Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava." Any reference Please? 2." Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord." It's new to me. Any example please? With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12:19 PMRe: points for discussion Dear members One correction in my message. "Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. " Please read as below: Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > points for discussion"kpsystem groups" <@gro ups.com>Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:54 AM Dear members Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. Dhanabalan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 my wife with 4 children and 7 grand children is od firm opinion the time birth is related to cutting cord and cring there after. Crying is the hearable sign raichur anant --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: points for discussion Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 11:27 PM Dear Dhanabalanji, My observations in Blue. > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. No comments. > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. kind regards, Bhaskar. Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Regarding Badhaka, pl refer KP Reader III, Old Edition part 2, page 9-10 (New Edition page 161-2) orMsg#21315 of this group "Defination of Badhaka". , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Respected Sir,> Namasthe.> 1."Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava." Any reference Please?> 2." Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord." It's new to me. Any example please?> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > ________________________________> Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan > Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12:19 PM> Re: points for discussion> > > Dear members> One correction in my message. > "Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. " > Please read as below: > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > Dhanabalan> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> points for discussion> "kpsystem groups" @gro ups.com>> Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:54 AM> > > Dear members > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear Bhaskar Please read my point number one as below Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: points for discussion Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM Dear Dhanabalanji, My observations in Blue. > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. No comments. > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. kind regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Sir, I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now. Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets. For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna ( Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planets positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > Please read my point number one as below > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: points for discussion > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM > Dear Dhanabalanji, > My observations in Blue. > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. > No comments. > > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear Bhaskar What I mean is, instead of taking Lagna sublord and moon sublord as Ruling planets, I suggest to take the planets in the lagna. What I am telling is not new. It is only old concept. I have read that many astrologers are including the planets in the lagna in the Ruling Planets list for birth time calculation. I have to confirm whether the planet can be anywhere in the lagna or closer to the first cusp. Dhanabalan --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: points for discussion Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:10 PM Sir,I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now.Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count ofRP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets.For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning fordoing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna (Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which wouldnot be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planetspositioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work.best wishes,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> Please read my point number one as below> Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of thetime chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth timerectification.> Dhanabalan>> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: points for discussion> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalanji,> My observations in Blue.> > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chartalso included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification.> Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if theAsc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the timechart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ?> >> > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, thebhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and noton bhava.> This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questionedthe seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9thCusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord assame for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed forEarthy, Dual and watery signs.> >> > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise.> This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are basedas Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ?> >> > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlordand sublord.> No comments.> >> > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting timeneed not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact cardcutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets.>> This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose theconclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in thebaby must be considered as the correct Birth time.> kind regards,> Bhaskar.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear Bhaskar, Aren't you forgetting the very basic rule of K.P. ? The sub decides if still there is some dichotomy the sub-sub will decide... ! With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK ! Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009 5:40:35 PM Re: points for discussion Sir,I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now.Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count ofRP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets.For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning fordoing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna (Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which wouldnot be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planetspositioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work.best wishes,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> Please read my point number one as below> Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of thetime chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth timerectification.> Dhanabalan>> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: points for discussion> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalanji,> My observations in Blue.> > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chartalso included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification.> Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if theAsc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the timechart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ?> >> > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, thebhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and noton bhava.> This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questionedthe seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9thCusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord assame for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed forEarthy, Dual and watery signs.> >> > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise.> This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are basedas Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ?> >> > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlordand sublord.> No comments.> >> > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting timeneed not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact cardcutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets.>> This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose theconclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in thebaby must be considered as the correct Birth time.> kind regards,> Bhaskar.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear Raichur Let us assume that a doctor cum astrologer is noting down the exact card cutting time. There may not be any link between lagna and moon in the horoscope of the child. Dr.Luther can do some study on this, atleast for two children. No two persons have same thump imprints in the world. No two persons have same horoscope even if they born on the same date, same time, same hospital, same ward. I have posted what I have read. Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Raichur-a-r <raichurarRe: Re: points for discussion Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:05 PM my wife with 4 children and 7 grand children is od firm opinion the time birth is related to cutting cord and cring there after. Crying is the hearable sign raichur anant --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: points for discussion@gro ups.comMonday, 26 January, 2009, 11:27 PM Dear Dhanabalanji, My observations in Blue. > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. No comments. > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. kind regards, Bhaskar. Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear Yogeshji, I did not follow this Sir. We need to understand the connection with the RP's of the Sub, or the Sub with the RP's. And the connection of this, to the topic under discussion, " the inclusion of the Planets positioned in the Time Lagna in the List of RP's ". kind regards, Bhaskar. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Aren't you forgetting the very basic rule of K.P. ?> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â The sub decides if still there is some dichotomy the sub-sub will decide... !> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With best wishes,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â L.Y.Rao.> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â GOOD LUCK !> > > > ________________________________> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Wednesday, 28 January, 2009 5:40:35 PM> Re: points for discussion> > > > Sir,> > I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now.> > Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of> RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets.> > For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for> doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna (> Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would> not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planets> positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > Please read my point number one as below> > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the> time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time> rectification.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: points for discussion> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > My observations in Blue.> > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart> also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification.> > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the> Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time> chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ?> > >> > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the> bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not> on bhava.> > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned> the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th> Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as> same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for> Earthy, Dual and watery signs.> > >> > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise.> > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based> as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ?> > >> > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord> and sublord.> > No comments.> > >> > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time> need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card> cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets.> >> > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the> conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the> baby must be considered as the correct Birth time.> > kind regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Dear Luther 1."Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava." Any reference Please? Refer KP Reader IV page 56, tenth edition 2002, Mr.KSK said that Mars dosa has to be calculated on sign basis and not bhava basis. In KP Reader III at page 458, the Kendrasthana to be calculated on sign basis and not on bhava basis. Refer KP Reader III page 161,162 of Ninth edition 2004. It is repeated in page 52,53 of Volume II of 1965. “For people born in fixed signs, the 9th sign from those houses are Bhadhakasthanas and tneir lords are Bhadhakasthana adhipathis” Mr.Sethunathan has written a book on KP. In that book at page 15, he said that “even KP astrologers should take only the signlords of 11,9,7 and not bhava lords for bathaka sthana calculation. He said that the KP stalwart Mr.M.G.Nair has explained in detail about this. At salem, one leading KP astrologer cum KP teacher Mr.Durai Mathivanan advocating sign basis for bhadaka sthana calculation. With reference to the above, the house grouping like trikona, upajayasthana, Kendra sthana, etc. are to be calculated on sign basis even in KP. Grouping of signs 1,5,9(dharma) & 2,6,10(money) & 3,7,11(kama) & 4,8,12(motsa) have been taken from Naadi principle. In the Naadi, the planets in 1,5,9 signs are grouped in degreewise for prediction. The starlords of these signs may be the same but sign 1 is movable, sign 5 is fixed and sign 9 is dual. There are 27 stars and not 9 stars. Starlord ketu in Mesa sign is different from starlord ketu in Simmam. Similarly sublord ketu in mesa sign is different from sublord in Mithunam sign. Applying this concept, Mr.KSK has introduced 6 more subs in addition to 243 subs. Hence there is no point in neglecting the cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord for cuspal signification. 2." Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord." It's new to me. Any example please? Mr.Mohankumar has written a book “MK’s Predictive Techniques in KP Astrology”. In page 106, KB rule. Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 1/27/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote: tw853 <tw853 Re: points for discussion Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:57 PM Regarding Badhaka, pl refer KP Reader III, Old Edition part 2, page 9-10 (New Edition page 161-2) orMsg#21315 of this group "Defination of Badhaka". @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> Namasthe.> 1."Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava." Any reference Please?> 2." Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord." It's new to me. Any example please?> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12:19 PM> Re: points for discussion> > > Dear members> One correction in my message. > "Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. " > Please read as below: > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > Dhanabalan> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> points for discussion> "kpsystem groups" @gro ups.com>> Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:54 AM> > > Dear members > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Dear Dhanbalanji, First of all we have to define clearly what are the RPs for any given time. As per my knowledge they are- 1) The Ascendant Lord. 2) Moon Star Lord 3) Moon Raashi Lord , and 4) The Day Lord. Some add the Ascendant Star Lord as the RP which also at times becomes necessary. So we already have 4-5 Plamnets here. As far as I know, the Ascendant SubLord and the Moon SubLord are not considered in RP's as per the original concept. The above RP's are used to confirm the Ascendant SubLord or BTR, and not the other way round. The above RP's are also used to answer queries in absence of Computerised data available on hand or to confirm the observations from the computerised data in hand. Addding anymore planets to the above RP's in my views appears as stretching the RP's too far and negates the use of same for any type of prognostication. If any astrologers are using the same, then its their prerogative, but what our seers have already experienced and concluded, I do not think it worthwhile usage of time, to go through the same experience and grind, and come back to the same conclusions by the end of this short Life. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > What I mean is, instead of taking Lagna sublord and moon sublord as Ruling planets, I suggest to take the planets in the lagna. What I am telling is not new. It is only old concept. I have read that many astrologers are including the planets in the lagna in the Ruling Planets list for birth time calculation. I have to confirm whether the planet can be anywhere in the lagna or closer to the first cusp. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: points for discussion > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:10 PM > Sir, > > I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now. > > Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of > RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets. > > For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for > doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna ( > Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would > not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planets > positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > Please read my point number one as below > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the > time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time > rectification. > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > Re: points for discussion > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji, > > My observations in Blue. > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart > also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the > Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time > chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > > > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the > bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not > on bhava. > > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned > the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th > Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as > same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for > Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > > > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based > as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > > > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord > and sublord. > > No comments. > > > > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time > need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card > cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the > conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the > baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Dear members The Ruling Planets were 4 in the 1965 edition, now increased to 5 1. Sign Lord of ascendent (this can be only one). 2. lord of star lord of ascendent 3. Sign lord of Moon 4. sign lord of Moon's Star Lord 5. day lord 6 rahu/ketu if in the houses as above Authority KP Reader 6 Page 123 9th edition sept 2002 here we do not go onto the House in which the planent reside, or houses owned by it Where Rahu is seen, it shoud have priority.i THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GOING FURTHER AND GETTING CONFUSED raichur anant --- On Wed, 28/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: points for discussion Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 5:40 PMSir, I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now. Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets. For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna ( Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planets positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > Please read my point number one as below > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: points for discussion > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM > Dear Dhanabalanji, > My observations in Blue. > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. > No comments. > > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Respected Dhanabalanji, Thank you so much for all details. I wish to study each of your statements and also compare with some examples in KP books. Namaskar. Dr. Luther Rath. Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:24:47 AMRe: Re: points for discussion Dear Luther 1."Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava." Any reference Please? Refer KP Reader IV page 56, tenth edition 2002, Mr.KSK said that Mars dosa has to be calculated on sign basis and not bhava basis. In KP Reader III at page 458, the Kendrasthana to be calculated on sign basis and not on bhava basis. Refer KP Reader III page 161,162 of Ninth edition 2004. It is repeated in page 52,53 of Volume II of 1965. “For people born in fixed signs, the 9th sign from those houses are Bhadhakasthanas and tneir lords are Bhadhakasthana adhipathis” Mr.Sethunathan has written a book on KP. In that book at page 15, he said that “even KP astrologers should take only the signlords of 11,9,7 and not bhava lords for bathaka sthana calculation. He said that the KP stalwart Mr.M.G.Nair has explained in detail about this. At salem , one leading KP astrologer cum KP teacher Mr.Durai Mathivanan advocating sign basis for bhadaka sthana calculation. With reference to the above, the house grouping like trikona, upajayasthana, Kendra sthana, etc. are to be calculated on sign basis even in KP. Grouping of signs 1,5,9(dharma) & 2,6,10(money) & 3,7,11(kama) & 4,8,12(motsa) have been taken from Naadi principle. In the Naadi, the planets in 1,5,9 signs are grouped in degreewise for prediction. The starlords of these signs may be the same but sign 1 is movable, sign 5 is fixed and sign 9 is dual. There are 27 stars and not 9 stars. Starlord ketu in Mesa sign is different from starlord ketu in Simmam. Similarly sublord ketu in mesa sign is different from sublord in Mithunam sign. Applying this concept, Mr.KSK has introduced 6 more subs in addition to 243 subs. Hence there is no point in neglecting the cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord for cuspal signification. 2." Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord." It's new to me. Any example please? Mr.Mohankumar has written a book “MK’s Predictive Techniques in KP Astrology”. In page 106, KB rule. Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 1/27/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: points for discussion@gro ups.comTuesday, January 27, 2009, 5:57 PM Regarding Badhaka, pl refer KP Reader III, Old Edition part 2, page 9-10 (New Edition page 161-2) orMsg#21315 of this group "Defination of Badhaka". @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> Namasthe.> 1."Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava." Any reference Please?> 2." Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord." It's new to me. Any example please?> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ ...> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 26, 2009 10:12:19 PM> Re: points for discussion> > > Dear members> One correction in my message. > "Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. " > Please read as below: > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > Dhanabalan> --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> points for discussion> "kpsystem groups" @gro ups.com>> Monday, January 26, 2009, 10:54 AM> > > Dear members > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > Dhanabalan> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 I believe so. Raichur-a-r <raichurar Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:57:50 PMRe: Re: points for discussion Dear members The Ruling Planets were 4 in the 1965 edition, now increased to 5 1. Sign Lord of ascendent (this can be only one). 2. lord of star lord of ascendent 3. Sign lord of Moon 4. sign lord of Moon's Star Lord 5. day lord 6 rahu/ketu if in the houses as above Authority KP Reader 6 Page 123 9th edition sept 2002 here we do not go onto the House in which the planent reside, or houses owned by it Where Rahu is seen, it shoud have priority.i THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GOING FURTHER AND GETTING CONFUSED raichur anant --- On Wed, 28/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: points for discussion@gro ups.comWednesday, 28 January, 2009, 5:40 PMSir, I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now. Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets. For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna ( Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planets positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work. best wishes, Bhaskar. @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > Please read my point number one as below > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > Re: points for discussion > @gro ups.com > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM > Dear Dhanabalanji, > My observations in Blue. > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not on bhava. > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord and sublord. > No comments. > > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 1. The RPs in Krishnamurti Padhadhati Vol 2, Sagar Publications, 1965, are: 1) Day lord, 2) Moon sign lord, 3) Moon star lord, 4) Ascendent lord. 2. The RPs in KP Reader VI (any edition) p 123 & RP & KP, edited by K. Subramanium & K. Hariharan, 1985 are: 1) Day lord, 2) Moon sign lord, 3) Moon star lord, 4) Ascendent lord 5) Ascendent star lord 6) Nodes tenenting the signs of RPs. 3. In KP Ruling Planets, Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary says: Simply put ruling planets are the planets which rule over the particular moment of judgement (in the case of horary/Prasna), birth (in the case of natal chart), or whatever the issue maybe. They are the strongest determinants of the moment. According to Krishnamurti they are: Lagna star lordLagna lordMoon star lordMoon sign lord and Weekday lord Later his students also added the Lagna sublord and Moon sublord. In practice the ascendant sublord works very well. I use the Moon sublord as a contender only if it is already among the first six ruling planets, only to eliminate the weaker ones, if too many planets appear in the list of ruling planets. If Rahu or Ketu occupy a sign whose lord (ruler) owns another sign, and if that planet happens to be a ruling planet, the node should also be taken as a ruling planet. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear members> The Ruling Planets were 4 in the 1965 edition, now increased to 5> 1. Sign Lord of ascendent (this can be only one). > 2. lord of star lord of ascendent> 3. Sign lord of Moon> 4. sign lord of Moon's Star Lord> 5. day lord> 6 rahu/ketu if in the houses as above>  > Authority KP Reader 6 Page 123 9th edition sept 2002>  > here we do not go onto the House in> which the planent reside, or houses owned by it> Where Rahu is seen, it shoud have priority.i>   > THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GOING FURTHER AND GETTING CONFUSED> > raichur anant > > --- On Wed, 28/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: points for discussion> > Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 5:40 PM> > Sir,> > I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now.> > Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of> RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets.> > For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for> doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna (> Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would> not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planets> positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > , Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > Please read my point number one as below> > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the> time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time> rectification.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > Re: points for discussion> > > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > My observations in Blue.> > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart> also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification.> > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the> Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time> chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ?> > >> > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the> bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not> on bhava.> > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned> the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th> Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as> same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for> Earthy, Dual and watery signs.> > >> > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise.> > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based> as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ?> > >> > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord> and sublord.> > No comments.> > >> > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time> need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card> cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets.> >> > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the> conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the> baby must be considered as the correct Birth time.> > kind regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> > > > > ---> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I am in full agreement with what you say. I will not reply any such querries, if asked by others raichur anant --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: points for discussion Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 12:45 PMDear Dhanbalanji, First of all we have to define clearly what are the RPs for any given time. As per my knowledge they are- 1) The Ascendant Lord. 2) Moon Star Lord 3) Moon Raashi Lord , and 4) The Day Lord. Some add the Ascendant Star Lord as the RP which also at times becomes necessary. So we already have 4-5 Plamnets here. As far as I know, the Ascendant SubLord and the Moon SubLord are not considered in RP's as per the original concept. The above RP's are used to confirm the Ascendant SubLord or BTR, and not the other way round. The above RP's are also used to answer queries in absence of Computerised data available on hand or to confirm the observations from the computerised data in hand. Addding anymore planets to the above RP's in my views appears as stretching the RP's too far and negates the use of same for any type of prognostication. If any astrologers are using the same, then its their prerogative, but what our seers have already experienced and concluded, I do not think it worthwhile usage of time, to go through the same experience and grind, and come back to the same conclusions by the end of this short Life. best wishes, Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > What I mean is, instead of taking Lagna sublord and moon sublord as Ruling planets, I suggest to take the planets in the lagna. What I am telling is not new. It is only old concept. I have read that many astrologers are including the planets in the lagna in the Ruling Planets list for birth time calculation. I have to confirm whether the planet can be anywhere in the lagna or closer to the first cusp. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: points for discussion > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:10 PM > Sir, > > I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now. > > Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of > RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets. > > For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for > doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna ( > Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would > not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the planets > positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > Please read my point number one as below > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the > time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time > rectification. > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > Re: points for discussion > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji, > > My observations in Blue. > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart > also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the > Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time > chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > > > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the > bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not > on bhava. > > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had questioned > the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th > Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as > same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for > Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > > > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based > as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > > > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord > and sublord. > > No comments. > > > > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time > need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact card > cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the > conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the > baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 1. This may not be a helpful point for discussion. 2. Because it's up to the requirement, preference and experience of the RPs user. 1) no more using of 4 RPs (not counting node) in nowadays common practice (as they were in the KP 2 volumes of 1965 by Sagar Publications). 2) the 5 RPs (not counting node)are generally used as in KP readers. 3) but some are using the extended 7 RPs including sub lord (not counting node) even in " RP & KP " edited by K. Subramanium and K. Harihran, 1985, pp 65, 108 etc and in " KP & Astrology Year Books " . 4) it's necessary to use 7 RPS in choice of timing by horary not to fool oneself by casting the chart again when the potential coming dasa period lords are not among the only 5 RPs. 5)Baskaran takes 7 RPS as required by his BTR technique. 6) Khullar takes up to sub sub as required by his cuspal interlinks through sub sub (through sub by Baskaran). 7) Dr. Kar takes even up to sub-sub-sub as required by his sub sub theory. 8) 4 step takes 5 RPs with different treatment of Node to check and fix the CSL under consideration but not required to recast the chart after fixing the CSL. 9) in my personal opinion, in KP one can use 5 or 7 RPs up to one's preference and experience and it is not a big deal to dizcuss. , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > I am in full agreement with what you say. I will not reply any such querries, if asked by others > > > raichur anant > > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: points for discussion > > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 12:45 PM > > Dear Dhanbalanji, > > First of all we have to define clearly what are the RPs for any given > time. > > As per my knowledge they are- > > 1) The Ascendant Lord. 2) Moon Star Lord 3) Moon Raashi Lord , and 4) > The Day Lord. > > Some add the Ascendant Star Lord as the RP which also at times becomes > necessary. > > So we already have 4-5 Plamnets here. > > As far as I know, the Ascendant SubLord and the Moon SubLord are not > considered in RP's as per the original concept. > > The above RP's are used to confirm the Ascendant SubLord or BTR, and not > the other way round. > > The above RP's are also used to answer queries in absence of > Computerised data available on hand or to confirm the observations from > the computerised data in hand. > > Addding anymore planets to the above RP's in my views appears as > stretching the RP's too far and negates the use of same for any type of > prognostication. If any astrologers are using the same, then its their > prerogative, but what our seers have already experienced and concluded, > I do not think it worthwhile usage of time, to go through the same > experience and grind, and come back to the same conclusions by the end > of this short Life. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > What I mean is, instead of taking Lagna sublord and moon sublord as > Ruling planets, I suggest to take the planets in the lagna. What I am > telling is not new. It is only old concept. I have read that many > astrologers are including the planets in the lagna in the Ruling Planets > list for birth time calculation. I have to confirm whether the planet > can be anywhere in the lagna or closer to the first cusp. > > Dhanabalan > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > Re: points for discussion > > > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:10 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now. > > > > Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of > > RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets. > > > > For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for > > doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna ( > > Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would > > not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the > planets > > positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > > Please read my point number one as below > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the > > time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time > > rectification. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... > > > Re: points for discussion > > > @gro ups.com > > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji, > > > My observations in Blue. > > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time > chart > > also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the > > Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time > > chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > > > > > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, > the > > bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not > > on bhava. > > > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had > questioned > > the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th > > Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as > > same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for > > Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > > > > > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > > > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are > based > > as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > > > > > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal > starlord > > and sublord. > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time > > need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact > card > > cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > > > > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the > > conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the > > baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Dear Friends, 1. I'm sorry for providing incomplete information on only 4 (FOUR) RPs from pp 238 & 246 of the original " Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol 2 of Sagar Publications in 1965 " . 2. In fact, the 5 (FIVE) RPs [1) Day lord, 2) Moon sign lord, 3) Moon star lord, 4) Ascendent lord and 5) Ascendent star lord] are clearly defined and explained with examples in pp 273-4 & 412 of the above original KP book. More examples of 5 RPs are also found in pp 64, 66 & 240 of the same book. 3. Therefore ther WERE 5 RPs in the original KP book and there ARE the same 5 RPs in the KP Readers. Regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > > 1. The RPs in Krishnamurti Padhadhati Vol 2, Sagar Publications, 1965, > are: > > 1) Day lord, > > 2) Moon sign lord, > > > 3) Moon star lord, > > > 4) Ascendent lord. > > > > > 2. The RPs in KP Reader VI (any edition) p 123 & RP & KP, edited by > K. Subramanium & K. Hariharan, 1985 are: > > 1) Day lord, > > 2) Moon sign lord, > > > 3) Moon star lord, > > > 4) Ascendent lord > > 5) Ascendent star lord > > 6) Nodes tenenting the signs of RPs. > > > > > 3. In KP Ruling Planets, Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary says: > > > Simply put ruling planets are the planets which rule over the > particular moment of judgement (in the case of horary/Prasna), birth > (in the case of natal chart), or whatever the issue maybe. They are the > strongest determinants of the moment. According to Krishnamurti they > are: > > Lagna star lord > Lagna lord > Moon star lord > Moon sign lord and > Weekday lord > > Later his students also added the Lagna sublord and Moon sublord. In > practice the ascendant sublord works very well. I use the Moon sublord > as a contender only if it is already among the first six ruling > planets, only to eliminate the weaker ones, if too many planets appear > in the list of ruling planets. If Rahu or Ketu occupy a sign whose lord > (ruler) owns another sign, and if that planet happens to be a ruling > planet, the node should also be taken as a ruling planet. > > > , Raichur-a-r raichurar@ wrote: > > > > Dear members > > The Ruling Planets were 4 in the 1965 edition, now increased to 5 > > 1. Sign Lord of ascendent (this can be only one). > > 2. lord of star lord of ascendent > > 3. Sign lord of Moon > > 4. sign lord of Moon's Star Lord > > 5. day lord > > 6 rahu/ketu if in the houses as above > >  > > Authority KP Reader 6 Page 123 9th edition sept 2002 > >  > > here we do not go onto the House in > > which the planent reside, or houses owned by it > > Where Rahu is seen, it shoud have priority.i > >   > > THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GOING FURTHER AND GETTING CONFUSED > > > > raichur anant > > > > --- On Wed, 28/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > Re: points for discussion > > > > Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 5:40 PM > > > > Sir, > > > > I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now. > > > > Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of > > RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets. > > > > For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for > > doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna ( > > Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would > > not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the > planets > > positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > > Please read my point number one as below > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the > > time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time > > rectification. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Re: points for discussion > > > > > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji, > > > My observations in Blue. > > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart > > also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the > > Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time > > chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > > > > > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the > > bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not > > on bhava. > > > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had > questioned > > the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th > > Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as > > same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for > > Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > > > > > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > > > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based > > as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > > > > > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord > > and sublord. > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time > > need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact > card > > cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > > > > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the > > conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the > > baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 i AM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH THE 5 R.P.S mR raichur anant --- On Sun, 1/2/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote: tw853 <tw853 Re: points for discussion Date: Sunday, 1 February, 2009, 9:53 AMDear Friends, 1. I'm sorry for providing incomplete information on only 4 (FOUR) RPs from pp 238 & 246 of the original "Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol 2 of Sagar Publications in 1965". 2. In fact, the 5 (FIVE) RPs [1) Day lord, 2) Moon sign lord, 3) Moon star lord, 4) Ascendent lord and 5) Ascendent star lord] are clearly defined and explained with examples in pp 273-4 & 412 of the above original KP book. More examples of 5 RPs are also found in pp 64, 66 & 240 of the same book. 3. Therefore ther WERE 5 RPs in the original KP book and there ARE the same 5 RPs in the KP Readers. Regards, tw , "tw853" <tw853 wrote: > > > 1. The RPs in Krishnamurti Padhadhati Vol 2, Sagar Publications, 1965, > are: > > 1) Day lord, > > 2) Moon sign lord, > > > 3) Moon star lord, > > > 4) Ascendent lord. > > > > > 2. The RPs in KP Reader VI (any edition) p 123 & RP & KP, edited by > K. Subramanium & K. Hariharan, 1985 are: > > 1) Day lord, > > 2) Moon sign lord, > > > 3) Moon star lord, > > > 4) Ascendent lord > > 5) Ascendent star lord > > 6) Nodes tenenting the signs of RPs. > > > > > 3. In KP Ruling Planets, Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary says: > > > Simply put ruling planets are the planets which rule over the > particular moment of judgement (in the case of horary/Prasna), birth > (in the case of natal chart), or whatever the issue maybe. They are the > strongest determinants of the moment. According to Krishnamurti they > are: > > Lagna star lord > Lagna lord > Moon star lord > Moon sign lord and > Weekday lord > > Later his students also added the Lagna sublord and Moon sublord. In > practice the ascendant sublord works very well. I use the Moon sublord > as a contender only if it is already among the first six ruling > planets, only to eliminate the weaker ones, if too many planets appear > in the list of ruling planets. If Rahu or Ketu occupy a sign whose lord > (ruler) owns another sign, and if that planet happens to be a ruling > planet, the node should also be taken as a ruling planet. > > > , Raichur-a-r raichurar@ wrote: > > > > Dear members > > The Ruling Planets were 4 in the 1965 edition, now increased to 5 > > 1. Sign Lord of ascendent (this can be only one). > > 2. lord of star lord of ascendent > > 3. Sign lord of Moon > > 4. sign lord of Moon's Star Lord > > 5. day lord > > 6 rahu/ketu if in the houses as above > >  > > Authority KP Reader 6 Page 123 9th edition sept 2002 > >  > > here we do not go onto the House in > > which the planent reside, or houses owned by it > > Where Rahu is seen, it shoud have priority.i > >   > > THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GOING FURTHER AND GETTING CONFUSED > > > > raichur anant > > > > --- On Wed, 28/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > Re: points for discussion > > > > Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 5:40 PM > > > > Sir, > > > > I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now. > > > > Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the count of > > RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets. > > > > For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for > > doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna ( > > Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, which would > > not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the > planets > > positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar > > > Please read my point number one as below > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna of the > > time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time > > rectification. > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Re: points for discussion > > > > > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji, > > > My observations in Blue. > > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the time chart > > also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time rectification. > > > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the > > Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time > > chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ? > > > > > > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP, the > > bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi and not > > on bhava. > > > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had > questioned > > the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the 9th > > Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lord as > > same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for > > Earthy, Dual and watery signs. > > > > > > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise. > > > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, are based > > as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ? > > > > > > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspal starlord > > and sublord. > > > No comments. > > > > > > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time > > need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact > card > > cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with ruling planets. > > > > > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the > > conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the > > baby must be considered as the correct Birth time. > > > kind regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Dear TinWin There is a confusion in books when there is Rahu/Ketu in the sign of significators. Since Rahu/Ketu is representing the sign, some take Rahu/Ketu only as significator and not taking the original significators. Some take both original significator and Rahu/Ketu. For example, Jupiter is a significator and Rahu is in Saggitarious. Some take Rahu only as significator and not taking the original significator Jupiter. Some take both Rahu and Jupiter as significators. Please clarify my doubt. Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/1/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote: tw853 <tw853 Re: points for discussion Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 4:23 AM Dear Friends,1. I'm sorry for providing incomplete information on only 4 (FOUR) RPsfrom pp 238 & 246 of the original "Krishnamurti Padhdhati, Vol 2 ofSagar Publications in 1965".2. In fact, the 5 (FIVE) RPs [1) Day lord, 2) Moon sign lord, 3) Moonstar lord, 4) Ascendent lord and 5) Ascendent star lord] are clearlydefined and explained with examples in pp 273-4 & 412 of the aboveoriginal KP book.. More examples of 5 RPs are also found in pp 64, 66 & 240 of the same book.3. Therefore ther WERE 5 RPs in the original KP book and there ARE thesame 5 RPs in the KP Readers.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>>> 1. The RPs in Krishnamurti Padhadhati Vol 2, Sagar Publications, 1965,> are:>> 1) Day lord,>> 2) Moon sign lord,>>> 3) Moon star lord,>>> 4) Ascendent lord.>>>>> 2. The RPs in KP Reader VI (any edition) p 123 & RP & KP, edited by> K. Subramanium & K. Hariharan, 1985 are:>> 1) Day lord,>> 2) Moon sign lord,>>> 3) Moon star lord,>>> 4) Ascendent lord>> 5) Ascendent star lord>> 6) Nodes tenenting the signs of RPs.>>>>> 3. In KP Ruling Planets, Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary says:>>> Simply put ruling planets are the planets which rule over the> particular moment of judgement (in the case of horary/Prasna) , birth> (in the case of natal chart), or whatever the issue maybe. They arethe> strongest determinants of the moment. According to Krishnamurti they> are:>> Lagna star lord> Lagna lord> Moon star lord> Moon sign lord and> Weekday lord>> Later his students also added the Lagna sublord and Moon sublord. In> practice the ascendant sublord works very well. I use the Moon sublord> as a contender only if it is already among the first six ruling> planets, only to eliminate the weaker ones, if too many planets appear> in the list of ruling planets. If Rahu or Ketu occupy a sign whoselord> (ruler) owns another sign, and if that planet happens to be a ruling> planet, the node should also be taken as a ruling planet.>>> @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r raichurar@ wrote:> >> > Dear members> > The Ruling Planets were 4 in the 1965 edition, now increased to 5> > 1. Sign Lord of ascendent (this can be only one).> > 2. lord of star lord of ascendent> > 3. Sign lord of Moon> > 4. sign lord of Moon's Star Lord> > 5. day lord> > 6 rahu/ketu if in the houses as above> > Â> > Authority KP Reader 6 Page 123 9th edition sept 2002> > Â> > here we do not go onto the House in> > which the planent reside, or houses owned by it> > Where Rahu is seen, it shoud have priority.i> >  Â> > THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GOING FURTHER AND GETTING CONFUSED> >> > raichur anant> >> > --- On Wed, 28/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > Re: points for discussion> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 5:40 PM> >> > Sir,> >> > I have read it the same way, as you mentioned it now.> >> > Suppose there are 2 Planets positioned in the Lagna, then the countof> > RP's goes too much nearly as many as the number of the planets.> >> > For example all the astrologers who had sat today early morning for> > doing some BTR, if had taken the planets positioned in the Lagna (> > Capricorn ) ,then there were practically no planets left, whichwould> > not be added to the RP's. In such a case the theory of using the> planets> > positioned in the time chart, as RP's may not work.> >> > best wishes,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > Please read my point number one as below> > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the lagna ofthe> > time chart also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth time> > rectification.> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Mon, 1/26/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > Re: points for discussion> > > @gro ups.com> > > Monday, January 26, 2009, 5:57 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > My observations in Blue.> > > > Some KP stalwarts have taken the planets posited in the timechart> > also included in the Ruling Planets list for birth timerectification.> > > Already the Ruling Planets are 4 ( And some take 5, if the> > Asc.StarLord is also taken ), and if the planets posited in the time> > chart are also taken for BTR, then what remains actually ?> > > >> > > > Badhaka sthana is rasi based and not bhava based. Even in KP,the> > bhathaka sthana has to be calculated only on the basis of rasi andnot> > on bhava.> > > This has been discussed some weeks back in the group. I had> questioned> > the seniors here about this. We look for the significations of the9th> > Cusp or any other Cusp as per SubLord, but we keep the Badhak Lordas> > same for the 9th Lord in Fixed sign, or the other Lords as fixed for> > Earthy, Dual and watery signs.> > > >> > > > Day lord in RP: Day is calculated from sunrise to sunrise.> > > This must be, but are all softwares who mention the RP's, arebased> > as Sunrise to Sunrise when mentioning the Day Lord ?> > > >> > > > Marriage timing: Planets in the star or sub of 7th cuspalstarlord> > and sublord.> > > No comments.> > > >> > > > Birth time: Experiment shows that the Umblical card cutting time> > need not coincide with astrological birth time. Even for the exact> card> > cutting time, the birth time has to be rectified with rulingplanets.> > >> > > This also has been discussed about previously, and I suppose the> > conclusion arrived at, was the first cry or inhalation of air in the> > baby must be considered as the correct Birth time.> > > kind regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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