Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > To:<@gro ups.com> Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM female and male chart how? Dear Elders, One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel Dear Friends, In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but also from conception chart. In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post conception In A & A. Just to quote : Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A April 1980. # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25 AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and 22N06……..He continues to examine as per KP guide lines….. using RP . At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ….. Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant) will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart lord of sub -sub may be different. (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and planetary positions. * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT and SAT is posited at Virgo – kanya and SAT is a female rasi but SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that native is a female one. I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted above. Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology. May be who knows. Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to understand why this theory is untouchable? With regards. R.C.Srivastava.. swami Past mails summary. By the way rule was Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear Suneel, If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child... " So far, I have found this method extremely accurate... L.Y.Rao. K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM Dear sri Rao garu, If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... It is well to remember that, if the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is exact to the minute... K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM Dear sri Rao Garu, I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How to to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the Ascendant's sub lord’s sub lord’s star lord falls in a male sign the native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the Birth Time of the chart is correct. I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. Hope now I am clear. Regards. This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? Hasmukhrai J Mehta. Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. Dhanabalan The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch”, but with a Pail of salt raichur anant mumbai Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. Hasmukhrai J Mehta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related theories. If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? , " swami " <swami wrote: > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > To:<@gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > female and male chart how? > Dear Elders, > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > Dear Friends, > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but also from conception chart. > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post conception In A & A. > Just to quote : > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A April 1980. > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25 AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP . > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant) will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart lord of sub -sub may be different. > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and planetary positions. > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that native is a female one. > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted above. > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology. > May be who knows. > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to understand why this theory is untouchable? > With regards. > > R.C.Srivastava.. > swami > Past mails summary. > > By the way rule was > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear Suneel, > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child... " > So far, I have found this method extremely accurate... L.Y.Rao. > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > Dear sri Rao garu, > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > It is well to remember that, if the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is exact to the minute... > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > Dear sri Rao Garu, > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How to to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the Birth Time of the chart is correct. > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > Hope now I am clear. Regards. > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > Dhanabalan > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " , but with a Pail of salt > raichur anant mumbai > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dear tw ji,the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify! RegardsAdithOn Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related theories. If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? , " swami " <swami wrote: > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > To:<@gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > female and male chart how? > Dear Elders, > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > Dear Friends, > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but also from conception chart. > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post conception In A & A. > Just to quote : > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A April 1980. > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25 AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP . > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant) will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart lord of sub -sub may be different. > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and planetary positions. > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that native is a female one. > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted above. > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology. > May be who knows. > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to understand why this theory is untouchable? > With regards. > > R.C.Srivastava.. > swami > Past mails summary. > > By the way rule was > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear Suneel, > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child... " > So far, I have found this method extremely accurate... L.Y.Rao. > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > Dear sri Rao garu, > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > It is well to remember that, if the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is exact to the minute... > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > Dear sri Rao Garu, > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How to to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the Birth Time of the chart is correct. > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > Hope now I am clear. Regards. > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > Dhanabalan > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " , but with a Pail of salt > raichur anant mumbai > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Good propsition for only those who have mastered KP first. I am a basic student as far as KP is concerned . I worked KP for several years but did sub-sub only to fine tuning RBT as no other alternative could be taught by my Teacher of KP . Even after Professor KSK himself taught for about 40 years KP How many know correct selection of effective RP , forget KP system itself.I wish I Could find someone who could educate me what are effective RP in KP and what are exceptions that must be relied. I am lost in corrupted avaiable KP literature and compilations . May be wiki could help. awaiting dawn of clarity. thanks for suggestion and encouragement. , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and > Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related > theories. > > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not > to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? > > > > > > , " swami " <swami@> wrote: > > > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > > To:<@gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > > female and male chart how? > > Dear Elders, > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate > whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after > paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or > how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both > have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but > also from conception chart. > > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar > mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post > conception In A & A. > > Just to quote : > > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A > April 1980. > > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and > as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2- 25 > AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts > 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and > 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP . > > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is > the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in > such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which > should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant) > will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to > arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart > lord of sub -sub may be different. > > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord > because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the > required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited > in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not > required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be > verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and > planetary positions. > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan > is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT > and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but > SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant > factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken > in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is > posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that > native is a female one. > > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri > K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few > unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted > above. > > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP > method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology. > > May be who knows. > > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will > also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to > understand why this theory is untouchable? > > With regards. > > > > R.C.Srivastava.. > > swami@ > > Past mails summary. > > > > By the way rule was > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear > Suneel, > > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P > method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : > " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a > star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a > male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child... " > > So far, I have found this method extremely > accurate... L.Y.Rao. > > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com > > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > > Dear sri Rao garu, > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the > native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the > chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we > use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, > Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by > Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I > include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes > ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I > use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > > It is well to remember that, if > the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as > the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is > exact to the minute... > > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > > Dear sri Rao Garu, > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's > method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How to > to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a > male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the > Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the > native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native > is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the > Birth Time of the chart is correct. > > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above > method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri > Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time > is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > > Hope now I am clear. Regards. > > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be > periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female > signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. > approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all > the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the > births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male > and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > > Dhanabalan > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " , but with > a Pail of salt > > raichur anant mumbai > > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Dear Friends, Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking sub-sub for cuspal positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me. Also though KP uses Placidus house system, there is controversy among westerns for using it for higher latitudes. Also unavailability of any reliable method for verification of birth time adds confusion to that. In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the planetary positions. Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is already documented. Having said that, still there is no method for verification for the sub-sub that comes out using RP based BTR. Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote: Dear tw ji,the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify! RegardsAdithOn Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related theories. If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? , " swami " <swami wrote: > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > To:<@gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > female and male chart how? > Dear Elders, > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > Dear Friends, > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but also from conception chart. > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post conception In A & A. > Just to quote : > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A April 1980. > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25 AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP . > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant) will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart lord of sub -sub may be different. > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and planetary positions. > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that native is a female one. > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted above. > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology. > May be who knows. > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to understand why this theory is untouchable? > With regards. > > R.C.Srivastava.. > swami > Past mails summary. > > By the way rule was > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear Suneel, > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child... " > So far, I have found this method extremely accurate... L.Y.Rao. > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > Dear sri Rao garu, > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > It is well to remember that, if the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is exact to the minute... > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > Dear sri Rao Garu, > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How to to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the Birth Time of the chart is correct. > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > Hope now I am clear. Regards. > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > Dhanabalan > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " , but with a Pail of salt > raichur anant mumbai > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Good Morning,For the valuable attention of Seniors,As said by Punit Panday ji, the differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude are the main obstacles for the followers to be in a correct and unanimous path for readings of horoscopes.Most of us are taking these by way of ready reckoner s,ie Panchanga Books, Ephemeris & Almanacs, SWs but not going far more to evaluate them to see weather they are precise or not and no method available to reach and see.Therefore I kindly suggest to Seniors to make explanatory issue, especially on geocentric vs. geographic latitude with examples for the benefit of the juniors.Thank u & Best RegardsSunaparanthaPunit Pandey <punitp Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:28:26 PMRe: Re: female and male chart how? Dear Friends, Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking sub-sub for cuspal positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me. Also though KP uses Placidus house system, there is controversy among westerns for using it for higher latitudes. Also unavailability of any reliable method for verification of birth time adds confusion to that. In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the planetary positions. Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is already documented. Having said that, still there is no method for verification for the sub-sub that comes out using RP based BTR. Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote: Dear tw ji,the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify! RegardsAdithOn Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related theories. If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami.> wrote: > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > To:<@gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > female and male chart how? > Dear Elders, > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > Dear Friends, > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but also from conception chart. > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post conception In A & A. > Just to quote : > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A April 1980. > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25 AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP . > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant) will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart lord of sub -sub may be different. > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and planetary positions. > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that native is a female one. > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted above. > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology. > May be who knows. > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to understand why this theory is untouchable? > With regards. > > R.C.Srivastava. . > swami. > Past mails summary. > > By the way rule was > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear Suneel, > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child...." > So far, I have found this method extremely accurate... L.Y.Rao. > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > Dear sri Rao garu, > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > It is well to remember that, if the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is exact to the minute... > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > Dear sri Rao Garu, > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the Birth Time of the chart is correct. > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > Hope now I am clear.. Regards. > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > Dhanabalan > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with a Pail of salt > raichur anant mumbai > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Sir, Have you got KP reader with you? i believe they will show the way to your query and show the way ... suneil--- On Tue, 20/1/09, R.C.Srivastava <swami wrote: R.C.Srivastava <swami Re: female and male chart how? Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 10:37 PM Good propsition for only those who have mastered KP first.I am a basic student as far as KP is concerned . I worked KP for several years but did sub-sub only to fine tuning RBT as no other alternative could be taught by my Teacher of KP .Even after Professor KSK himself taught for about 40 years KP How many know correct selection of effective RP , forget KP system itself.I wish I Could find someone who could educate me what are effective RP in KP and what are exceptions that must be relied.I am lost in corrupted avaiable KP literature and compilations .May be wiki could help.awaiting dawn of clarity.thanks for suggestion and encouragement.@gro ups..com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and> Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related> theories.> > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not> to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami@> wrote:> >> > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >> To:<@ gro ups.com>> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> > female and male chart how?> > Dear Elders, > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after> paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or> how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both> have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> also from conception chart.> > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post> conception In A & A.> > Just to quote :> > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A> April 1980.> > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and> as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25> AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts> 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and> 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is> the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in> such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant)> will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to> arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart> lord of sub -sub may be different.> > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord> because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited> in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not> required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be> verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and> planetary positions. > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan> is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT> and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but> SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant> factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken> in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is> posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> native is a female one.> > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few> unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted> above.> > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology.> > May be who knows.> > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will> also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to> understand why this theory is untouchable?> > With regards.> > > > R.C.Srivastava. .> > swami@ > > Past mails summary.> > > > By the way rule was > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> Suneel,> > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P> method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar :> "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a> star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a> male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child..."> > So far, I have found this method extremely> accurate... L.Y.Rao.> > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> > Dear sri Rao garu, > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the> native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we> use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by> Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I> include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes> ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I> use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...> > It is well to remember that, if> the Ascendant' s sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as> the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is> exact to the minute...> > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> > Dear sri Rao Garu, > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's> method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to> to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a> male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the> Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the> native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native> is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.> > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> Birth Time of the chart is correct.> > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above> method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri> Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time> is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > > Hope now I am clear. Regards.> > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be> periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all> the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the> births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male> and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > > Dhanabalan > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with> a Pail of salt> > raichur anant mumbai> > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009  || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna Dear , Did you read my message and thread?well, Possessing KP literature is not enough.Perhaps I have one of the richest library on astrology as an individual and Good part of it is KP literature. Essence lies in comprehending the concepts, nourtring them and then on contemplation to inquire corrolary, exception of them and in application of them to real life situation.After one applies and gains insight , one can write or teach. Thats my undestanding. My one of the teacher taught me , One or two good books are enough if digested well . However thanks for attention and care to reply. with regards OM TATSATR.C.Srivastava------------------------" we meditate on the adorable effulgence of the lord who creats everything, so it may energize our consciousness."-- - kondapaneni suneel Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:55 AM Re: Re: female and male chart how? Dear Sir, Have you got KP reader with you? i believe they will show the way to your query and show the way ... suneil--- On Tue, 20/1/09, R.C.Srivastava <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote: R.C.Srivastava <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Re: female and male chart how? Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 10:37 PM Good propsition for only those who have mastered KP first.I am a basic student as far as KP is concerned . I worked KP for several years but did sub-sub only to fine tuning RBT as no other alternative could be taught by my Teacher of KP .Even after Professor KSK himself taught for about 40 years KP How many know correct selection of effective RP , forget KP system itself.I wish I Could find someone who could educate me what are effective RP in KP and what are exceptions that must be relied.I am lost in corrupted avaiable KP literature and compilations .May be wiki could help.awaiting dawn of clarity.thanks for suggestion and encouragement.@gro ups..com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and> Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related> theories.> > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not> to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami@> wrote:> >> > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >> To:<@ gro ups.com>> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> > female and male chart how?> > Dear Elders, > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after> paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or> how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both> have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> also from conception chart.> > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post> conception In A & A.> > Just to quote :> > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A> April 1980.> > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and> as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25> AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts> 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and> 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is> the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in> such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant)> will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to> arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart> lord of sub -sub may be different.> > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord> because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited> in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not> required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be> verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and> planetary positions. > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan> is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT> and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but> SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant> factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken> in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is> posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> native is a female one.> > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few> unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted> above.> > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology.> > May be who knows.> > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will> also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to> understand why this theory is untouchable?> > With regards.> > > > R.C.Srivastava. .> > swami@ > > Past mails summary.> > > > By the way rule was > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> Suneel,> > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P> method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar :> "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a> star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a> male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child..."> > So far, I have found this method extremely> accurate... L.Y.Rao.> > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> > Dear sri Rao garu, > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the> native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we> use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by> Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I> include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes> ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I> use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...> > It is well to remember that, if> the Ascendant' s sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as> the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is> exact to the minute...> > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> > Dear sri Rao Garu, > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's> method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to> to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a> male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the> Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the> native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native> is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.> > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> Birth Time of the chart is correct.> > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above> method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri> Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time> is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > > Hope now I am clear. Regards.> > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be> periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all> the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the> births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male> and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > > Dhanabalan > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with> a Pail of salt> > raichur anant mumbai> > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Tin Win, I have tried quite successfully,correction of TOB going upto the sub-sub level...but as we can get accurate results upto the second...trying to go to a fraction of a second seems to me to be needless,as most people are happy to know of there correct TOB,upto the level of Hr-Min-Sec ,in fact even upto the minute level is enough for most people who consult me...I am,ofcourse, speaking from my own experience with my clients... The above is my humble experience and view... L.Y.Rao. R.C.Srivastava <swami Sent: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 10:37:19 PM Re: female and male chart how? Good propsition for only those who have mastered KP first.I am a basic student as far as KP is concerned . I worked KP for several years but did sub-sub only to fine tuning RBT as no other alternative could be taught by my Teacher of KP .Even after Professor KSK himself taught for about 40 years KP How many know correct selection of effective RP , forget KP system itself.I wish I Could find someone who could educate me what are effective RP in KP and what are exceptions that must be relied.I am lost in corrupted avaiable KP literature and compilations .May be wiki could help.awaiting dawn of clarity.thanks for suggestion and encouragement.@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and> Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related> theories.> > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not> to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami@> wrote:> >> > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >> To:<@ gro ups.com>> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> > female and male chart how?> > Dear Elders, > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after> paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or> how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both> have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> also from conception chart.> > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post> conception In A & A.> > Just to quote :> > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A> April 1980.> > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and> as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25> AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts> 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and> 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is> the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in> such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant)> will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to> arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart> lord of sub -sub may be different.> > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord> because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited> in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not> required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be> verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and> planetary positions. > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan> is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT> and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but> SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant> factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken> in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is> posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> native is a female one.> > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few> unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted> above.> > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology.> > May be who knows.> > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will> also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to> understand why this theory is untouchable?> > With regards.> > > > R.C.Srivastava. .> > swami@ > > Past mails summary.> > > > By the way rule was > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> Suneel,> > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P> method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar :> "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a> star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a> male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child..."> > So far, I have found this method extremely> accurate... L.Y.Rao.> > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> > Dear sri Rao garu, > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the> native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we> use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by> Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I> include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes> ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I> use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...> > It is well to remember that, if> the Ascendant' s sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as> the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is> exact to the minute...> > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> > Dear sri Rao Garu, > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's> method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to> to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a> male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the> Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the> native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native> is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.> > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> Birth Time of the chart is correct.> > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above> method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri> Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time> is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > > Hope now I am clear. Regards.> > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be> periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all> the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the> births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male> and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > > Dhanabalan > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with> a Pail of salt> > raichur anant mumbai> > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Suneelji, Shri Swamiji is a very knowledgable person astrologically, as I percieve him through his various postings on several forums since last few years. You have got the essence of his message perhaps a bit wrong. This mail from him clears the air very clearly. He is so very tru when he says , even 1-2 books if digested well, are good enough.. I will add that failures in the pursuit of knowledge too, are like milestones which come on the way to success. Therefore instead of reading many books on meditations, its much better to close the eyes and sit crosslegged for some time, to have actually digested those books. This same principle can be translated in the acquisition of knowledge in astrology. regards, Bhaskar. , " swami " <swami wrote: > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Hare Ram Krishna > Dear , > Did you read my message and thread?well, Possessing KP literature is not enough.Perhaps I have one of the richest library on astrology as an individual and Good part of it is KP literature. > Essence lies in comprehending the concepts, nourtring them and then on contemplation to inquire corrolary, exception of them and in application of them to real life situation.After one applies and gains insight , one can write or teach. > Thats my undestanding. > My one of the teacher taught me , One or two good books are enough if digested well . > However thanks for attention and care to reply. > with regards > OM TATSAT > R.C.Srivastava > ------------------------ > " we meditate on the adorable effulgence of the lord who creats everything, so it may energize our consciousness. " > -- > > - > kondapaneni suneel > > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:55 AM > Re: Re: female and male chart how? > > > Dear Sir, > > Have you got KP reader with you? > > i believe they will show the way to your query and show the way ... > suneil > > --- On Tue, 20/1/09, R.C.Srivastava swami wrote: > > R.C.Srivastava swami > Re: female and male chart how? > > Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 10:37 PM > > > > Good propsition for only those who have mastered KP first. > > I am a basic student as far as KP is concerned . I worked KP for > several years but did sub-sub only to fine tuning RBT as no > other alternative could be taught by my Teacher of KP . > > Even after Professor KSK himself taught for about 40 years KP How > many know correct selection of effective RP , forget KP system > itself.I wish I Could find someone who could educate me what are > effective RP in KP and what are exceptions that must be relied. > I am lost in corrupted avaiable KP literature and compilations . > May be wiki could help. > awaiting dawn of clarity. > thanks for suggestion and encouragement. > > @gro ups..com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB > and > > Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP > related > > theories. > > > > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why > not > > to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " swami " <swami@> wrote: > > > > > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > > > To:<@ gro ups.com> > > > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > > > female and male chart how? > > > Dear Elders, > > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate > > whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. > suniel > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after > > paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study > or > > how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > > > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both > > have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but > > also from conception chart. > > > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar > > mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post > > conception In A & A. > > > Just to quote : > > > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In > A & A > > April 1980. > > > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady > and > > as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2- > 25 > > AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 > Mts > > 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > > > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 > and > > 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using > RP . > > > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub > is > > the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this > in > > such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which > > should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > > > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna > (Ascendant) > > will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > > > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to > > arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > > > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth > chart > > lord of sub -sub may be different. > > > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub > lord > > because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the > > required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be > posited > > in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is > not > > required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can > be > > verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and > > planetary positions. > > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant > lagan > > is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet > SAT > > and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi > but > > SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant > > factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be > taken > > in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon > who is > > posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that > > native is a female one. > > > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri > > K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a > few > > unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example > quoted > > above. > > > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP > > method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > > > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP > Astrology. > > > May be who knows. > > > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub > will > > also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to > > understand why this theory is untouchable? > > > With regards. > > > > > > R.C.Srivastava. . > > > swami@ > > > Past mails summary. > > > > > > By the way rule was > > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear > > Suneel, > > > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per > K.P > > method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil > Gondhalekar : > > " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a > > star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a > > male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female > child... " > > > So far, I have found this method extremely > > accurate... L.Y.Rao. > > > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro > ups.com > > > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > > > Dear sri Rao garu, > > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of > the > > native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the > > chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, > can we > > use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth > Time ? > > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, > > Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by > > Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I > > include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, > sometimes > > ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that > case I > > use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > > > It is well to remember that, if > > the Ascendant' s sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as > > the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is > > exact to the minute... > > > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > > > Dear sri Rao Garu, > > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred > Shanmugam's > > method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How > to > > to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of > a > > male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the > > Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign > the > > native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the > native > > is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > > > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the > > Birth Time of the chart is correct. > > > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above > > method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri > > Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth > Time > > is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > > > Hope now I am clear. Regards. > > > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be > > periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female > > signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. > > approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all > > the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all > the > > births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male > > and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female > sign. > > > Dhanabalan > > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " , but > with > > a Pail of salt > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > > > > > > > > > > > > ------\ ------ > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Rao, You used to say so but not so many times when tested on hundreds of charts by computer. Regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Tin Win, >                     I have tried quite successfully,correction of TOB going upto the sub-sub level...but as we can get accurate results upto the second...trying to go to a fraction of a second seems to me to be needless,as most people are happy to know of there correct TOB,upto the level of Hr-Min-Sec ,in fact even upto the minute level is enough for most people who consult me...I am,ofcourse, speaking from my own experience with my clients... >                      The above is my humble experience and view... >                      L.Y.Rao. > > > > > ________________________________ > R.C.Srivastava <swami > > Tuesday, 20 January, 2009 10:37:19 PM > Re: female and male chart how? > > > > Good propsition for only those who have mastered KP first. > > I am a basic student as far as KP is concerned . I worked KP for > several years but did sub-sub only to fine tuning RBT as no > other alternative could be taught by my Teacher of KP . > > Even after Professor KSK himself taught for about 40 years KP How > many know correct selection of effective RP , forget KP system > itself.I wish I Could find someone who could educate me what are > effective RP in KP and what are exceptions that must be relied. > I am lost in corrupted avaiable KP literature and compilations . > May be wiki could help. > awaiting dawn of clarity. > thanks for suggestion and encouragement. > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB > and > > Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP > related > > theories. > > > > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why > not > > to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " swami " <swami@> wrote: > > > > > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > > > To:<@ gro ups.com> > > > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > > > female and male chart how? > > > Dear Elders, > > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate > > whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. > suniel > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after > > paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study > or > > how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > > > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both > > have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but > > also from conception chart. > > > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar > > mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post > > conception In A & A. > > > Just to quote : > > > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In > A & A > > April 1980. > > > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady > and > > as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2- > 25 > > AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 > Mts > > 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > > > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 > and > > 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using > RP . > > > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub > is > > the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this > in > > such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which > > should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > > > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna > (Ascendant) > > will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > > > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to > > arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > > > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth > chart > > lord of sub -sub may be different. > > > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub > lord > > because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the > > required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be > posited > > in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is > not > > required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can > be > > verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and > > planetary positions. > > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant > lagan > > is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet > SAT > > and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi > but > > SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant > > factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be > taken > > in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon > who is > > posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that > > native is a female one. > > > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri > > K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a > few > > unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example > quoted > > above. > > > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP > > method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > > > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP > Astrology. > > > May be who knows. > > > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub > will > > also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to > > understand why this theory is untouchable? > > > With regards. > > > > > > R.C.Srivastava. . > > > swami@ > > > Past mails summary. > > > > > > By the way rule was > > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear > > Suneel, > > >    If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per > K.P > > method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil > Gondhalekar : > >  " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a > > star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a > > male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female > child... " > > >                    So far, I have found this method extremely > > accurate...           L.Y.Rao. > > > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro > ups.com > > > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > > > Dear sri Rao garu,  > > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of > the > > native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the > > chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, > can we > > use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth > Time ? > > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, > > Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > * Personally,I use the method given in  Astrosecrets & K.P by > > Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I > > include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, > sometimes > > ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that > case I > > use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > > >                        It is well to remember that, if > > the Ascendant' s sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as > > the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is > > exact to the minute... > > > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > > > Dear sri Rao Garu,  > > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred > Shanmugam's > > method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How > to > > to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of > a > > male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the > > Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign > the > > native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the > native > > is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > > > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the > > Birth Time of the chart is correct. > > > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above > > method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri > > Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth > Time > > is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > > > Hope now I am clear. Regards. > > > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be > > periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female > > signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. > > approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all > > the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all > the > > births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male > > and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female > sign. > > > Dhanabalan > > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " , but > with > > a Pail of salt > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > > > > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://beta.cricket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 GEOGRAPHIC OR GEOCENTRIC.doc in the File section of this GroupGEOGRAPHIC OR GEOCENTRIC , Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote:>> Good Morning,> For the valuable attention of Seniors,> > As said by Punit Panday ji, the differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude are the main obstacles for the followers to be in a correct and unanimous path for readings of horoscopes.> > Most of us are taking these by way of ready reckoner s,ie Panchanga Books, Ephemeris & Almanacs, SWs but not going far more to evaluate them to see weather they are precise or not and no method available to reach and see.> Therefore I kindly suggest to Seniors to make explanatory issue, especially on geocentric vs. geographic latitude with examples for the benefit of the juniors.> > Thank u & Best Regards> > Sunaparantha> > > > > ________________________________> Punit Pandey punitp > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:28:26 PM> Re: Re: female and male chart how?> > > Dear Friends, > > Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking sub-sub for cuspal positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me. Also though KP uses Placidus house system, there is controversy among westerns for using it for higher latitudes. Also unavailability of any reliable method for verification of birth time adds confusion to that. > > In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the planetary positions. Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is already documented. Having said that, still there is no method for verification for the sub-sub that comes out using RP based BTR. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> wrote:> > Dear tw ji,> > the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify! > > Regards> Adith> > > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:> > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and> Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related> theories.> > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not> to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?> > > @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> >> > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >> To:@gro ups.com>> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> > female and male chart how?> > Dear Elders, > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after> paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or> how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both> have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> also from conception chart.> > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post> conception In A & A.> > Just to quote :> > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A> April 1980.> > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and> as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25> AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts> 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and> 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is> the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in> such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant)> will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to> arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart> lord of sub -sub may be different.> > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord> because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited> in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not> required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be> verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and> planetary positions. > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan> is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT> and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but> SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant> factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken> in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is> posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> native is a female one.> > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few> unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted> above.> > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology.> > May be who knows.> > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will> also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to> understand why this theory is untouchable?> > With regards.> > > > R.C.Srivastava. .> > > swami@ > > > Past mails summary.> > > > By the way rule was > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> Suneel,> > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P> method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar :> "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a> star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a> male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child..."> > So far, I have found this method extremely> accurate... L.Y.Rao.> > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> > Dear sri Rao garu, > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the> native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we> use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by> Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I> include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes> ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I> use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...> > It is well to remember that, if> the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as> the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is> exact to the minute...> > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> > Dear sri Rao Garu, > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's> method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to> to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a> male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the> Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the> native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native> is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.> > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> Birth Time of the chart is correct.> > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above> method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri> Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time> is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > > Hope now I am clear. Regards.> > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be> periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all> the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the> births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male> and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > > Dhanabalan > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with> a Pail of salt> > raichur anant mumbai> > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 || Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna Dear Bhaskar and friends, 1. I thank Mr Bhaskar for his kind words by way of my introduction to recent members. The fact as I belive is, I am just a student on this list before senior astrologers here in matter of KP. 2. I gave clarification with a simple motive that fellow students especially those new may not attempt to become librarian like me but are benefited in real way. .. 3.My search for accuracy has been beacuse in KP it is of paramount importance that we work on real chart of Native before us.Only method taught by Prof KSK was RBT by RP. Naturally Natal reading is useless if chart is inaccurate.Reason could be any variable among Lat.Ayanamsa Or table of Houses or wrong application of Selection of Effective RP. Thanks and regard to all here OM TATSATR.C.Srivastava.[Astrologer ] ------------------------" we meditate on the adorable effulgence of the lord who creats everything, so it may energize our consciousness."-- - Bhaskar Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:06 PM Re: female and male chart how? Dear Suneelji,Shri Swamiji is a very knowledgable person astrologically, as I percievehim through his various postings on several forums since last few years.You have got the essence of his message perhaps a bit wrong. This mailfrom him clears the air very clearly.He is so very tru when he says , even 1-2 books if digested well, aregood enough..I will add that failures in the pursuit of knowledge too, are likemilestones which come on the way to success.Therefore instead of reading many books on meditations, its much betterto close the eyes and sit crosslegged for some time, to have actuallydigested those books. This same principle can be translated in theacquisition of knowledge in astrology.regards,Bhaskar. , "swami" <swami wrote:>>> || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear ,> Did you read my message and thread?well, Possessing KP literature isnot enough.Perhaps I have one of the richest library on astrology as anindividual and Good part of it is KP literature.> Essence lies in comprehending the concepts, nourtring them and then oncontemplation to inquire corrolary, exception of them and in applicationof them to real life situation.After one applies and gains insight , onecan write or teach.> Thats my undestanding.> My one of the teacher taught me , One or two good books are enough ifdigested well .> However thanks for attention and care to reply.> with regards> OM TATSAT> R.C.Srivastava> ------------------------> " we meditate on the adorable effulgence of the lord who creatseverything, so it may energize our consciousness."> ------------------------->> -> kondapaneni suneel> > Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:55 AM> Re: Re: female and male chart how?>>> Dear Sir,>> Have you got KP reader with you?>> i believe they will show the way to your query and show the way ...> suneil>> --- On Tue, 20/1/09, R.C.Srivastava swami wrote:>> R.C.Srivastava swami Re: female and male chart how?> > Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 10:37 PM>>>> Good propsition for only those who have mastered KP first.>> I am a basic student as far as KP is concerned . I worked KP for> several years but did sub-sub only to fine tuning RBT as no> other alternative could be taught by my Teacher of KP .>> Even after Professor KSK himself taught for about 40 years KP How> many know correct selection of effective RP , forget KP system> itself.I wish I Could find someone who could educate me what are> effective RP in KP and what are exceptions that must be relied.> I am lost in corrupted avaiable KP literature and compilations .> May be wiki could help.> awaiting dawn of clarity.> thanks for suggestion and encouragement.>> @gro ups..com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> >> > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB> and> > Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP> related> > theories.> >> > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why> not> > to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?> >> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami@> wrote:> > >> > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >> > To:<@ gro ups.com>> > > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> > > female and male chart how?> > > Dear Elders,> > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> > whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain..> suniel> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread;> > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after> > paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study> or> > how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> > >> > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both> > have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> > also from conception chart.> > > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> > mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post> > conception In A & A.> > > Just to quote :> > > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In> A & A> > April 1980.> > > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady> and> > as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-> 25> > AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25> Mts> > 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> > > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20> and> > 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using> RP .> > > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub> is> > the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this> in> > such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> > should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> > > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna> (Ascendant)> > will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> > > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to> > arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> > > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth> chart> > lord of sub -sub may be different.> > > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub> lord> > because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> > required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be> posited> > in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is> not> > required one .This we should carefully bear in mind)> > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can> be> > verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and> > planetary positions.> > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant> lagan> > is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet> SAT> > and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi> but> > SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant> > factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be> taken> > in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon> who is> > posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> > native is a female one.> > > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> > K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a> few> > unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example> quoted> > above.> > > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> > method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> > > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP> Astrology.> > > May be who knows.> > > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub> will> > also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to> > understand why this theory is untouchable?> > > With regards.> > >> > > R.C.Srivastava. .> > > swami@> > > Past mails summary.> > >> > > By the way rule was> > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> > Suneel,> > > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per> K.P> > method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil> Gondhalekar :> > "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a> > star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a> > male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female> child..."> > > So far, I have found this method extremely> > accurate... L.Y.Rao.> > > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro> ups.com> > > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> > > Dear sri Rao garu,> > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of> the> > native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> > chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards,> can we> > use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth> Time ?> > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by> > Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I> > include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but,> sometimes> > ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that> case I> > use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...> > > It is well to remember that, if> > the Ascendant' s sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as> > the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is> > exact to the minute...> > > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> > > Dear sri Rao Garu,> > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred> Shanmugam's> > method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How> to> > to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of> a> > male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the> > Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign> the> > native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the> native> > is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.> > > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> > Birth Time of the chart is correct.> > > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above> > method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri> > Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth> Time> > is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR.> > > Hope now I am clear. Regards.> > > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be> > periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> > signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> > approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all> > the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all> the> > births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide?> > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male> > and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female> sign.> > > Dhanabalan> > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but> with> > a Pail of salt> > > raichur anant mumbai> > > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory.> > >> > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> > >> >>>>>>>>-------------------------\------> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 DEAR adithSince diff. softwares give different sus-sub, its not a viable propositionRegardssujata--- On Tue, 20/1/09, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinathRe: Re: female and male chart how? Date: Tuesday, 20 January, 2009, 9:05 PM Dear tw ji,the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify! RegardsAdithOn Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related theories. If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote: > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > To:<@gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > female and male chart how? > Dear Elders, > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > Dear Friends, > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but also from conception chart. > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post conception In A & A. > Just to quote : > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A April 1980. > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25 AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP . > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant) will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart lord of sub -sub may be different. > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and planetary positions. > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that native is a female one. > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted above. > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology. > May be who knows. > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to understand why this theory is untouchable? > With regards. > > R.C.Srivastava. . > swami > Past mails summary. > > By the way rule was > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear Suneel, > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child...." > So far, I have found this method extremely accurate... L.Y.Rao. > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > Dear sri Rao garu, > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K..P by Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > It is well to remember that, if the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is exact to the minute... > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > Dear sri Rao Garu, > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the Birth Time of the chart is correct. > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > Hope now I am clear. Regards. > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > Dhanabalan > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with a Pail of salt > raichur anant mumbai > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Geocentric Correction 12. In the calculation of cuspal positions, these days there is a tendency of preferring Geocentric latitude of a place of birth other than Geographic latitude assuming for better accuracy. "Geocentric Correction" is supported by many SWs like KPAstro 3.0, Astraura, Jyotishya Deepika, Solar Fire. It is to note that the ephemeris gives the Geocentric positions of the planets (i.e. the positions are as seen form the center of the earth), and the charts with the common indication of Geocentric are generally Geocentric for planetary positions only but Geographic for cuspal positions. It is supposed to be the same with the example charts in the KP Readers as it is said that Guruji Sri K.S. Krishnamurti used Geographic latitude only. So it is better to mention "Geocentric Correction", if it is used, to make it clear in comparing with the commonly used Geographic cuspal positions. 13. In using the "Geocentric Correction", the Geographic latitude of birth place given by the atlas is to be converted into the Geocentric latitude by subtracting the minute for correction given in the Table 14. The minute for correction increases up to around 11 minutes till 45 latitude and then declines. As 1 min roughly covers 1.8 km, this maximum 11 min would cover about 20 km. This difference is not much with compared to the differences in Ayanamsa values to change the sub-lords except in the border line cases. However, the better accuracy is preferable like taking the correct suburb of birth in the case of big cities like Kolkata, Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai. A short article will be presented on different views on which one, Geographic or Geocentric latitude, is more accurate. Table 14: Geocentric Correction to Latitudes (Subtract from Geographic Latitudes) Geographic Latitude in Degree Correction in Minute Geographic Latitude in Degree 0 0.0 90 1 0.4 89 2 0.8 88 3 1.2 87 4 1.6 86 5 2.0 85 6 2.4 84 7 2.8 83 8 3.2 82 9 3.6 81 10 3.9 80 11 4.3 79 12 4.7 78 13 5.0 77 14 5.4 76 15 5.8 75 16 6.1 74 17 6.4 73 18 6.8 72 19 7.1 71 20 7.4 70 21 7.7 69 22 8.0 68 23 8.3 67 24 8.6 66 25 8.8 65 26 9.1 64 27 9.3 63 28 9.6 62 29 9.8 61 30 10.0 60 31 10.2 59 32 10.4 58 33 10.6 57 34 10.7 56 35 10.8 55 36 11.0 54 37 11.1 53 38 11.2 52 39 11.3 51 40 11.4 50 41 11.4 49 42 11.5 48 43 11.5 47 44 11.6 46 45 11.6 45 14. In the Example Chart 2, Geographic latitude 23N is converted into Geocentric latitude 22N52 by subtracting 8min for 23deg as given in Table 25. , "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> GEOGRAPHIC OR GEOCENTRIC.doc in the File section of this Group> GEOGRAPHIC OR GEOCENTRIC> > > > , Sunaparantha Kalyan> sunaparantha@ wrote:> >> > Good Morning,> > For the valuable attention of Seniors,> >> > As said by Punit Panday ji, the differences in calculations, ayanamsa,> and not using precise latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude are> the main obstacles for the followers to be in a correct and unanimous> path for readings of horoscopes.> >> > Most of us are taking these by way of ready reckoner s,ie Panchanga> Books, Ephemeris & Almanacs, SWs but not going far more to evaluate them> to see weather they are precise or not and no method available to reach> and see.> > Therefore I kindly suggest to Seniors to make explanatory issue,> especially on geocentric vs. geographic latitude with examples for the> benefit of the juniors.> >> > Thank u & Best Regards> >> > Sunaparantha> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > Punit Pandey punitp@> > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:28:26 PM> > Re: Re: female and male chart how?> >> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise> latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking sub-sub for> cuspal positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me. Also> though KP uses Placidus house system, there is controversy among> westerns for using it for higher latitudes. Also unavailability of any> reliable method for verification of birth time adds confusion to that.> >> > In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the planetary> positions. Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is already> documented. Having said that, still there is no method for verification> for the sub-sub that comes out using RP based BTR.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@> gmail.com> wrote:> >> > Dear tw ji,> >> > the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the> Natal, as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a> minute difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify!> >> > Regards> > Adith> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 tw853 > wrote:> >> > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and> > Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related> > theories.> >> > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not> > to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "swami" swami@ wrote:> > >> > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >> > To:@gro ups.com>> > > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> > > female and male chart how?> > > Dear Elders,> > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> > whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. > suniel> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread;> > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after> > paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or> > how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> > >> > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both> > have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> > also from conception chart.> > > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> > mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post> > conception In A & A.> > > Just to quote :> > > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A> > April 1980.> > > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and> > as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25> > AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts> > 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> > > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and> > 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> > > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is> > the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in> > such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> > should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> > > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant)> > will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> > > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to> > arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> > > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart> > lord of sub -sub may be different.> > > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord> > because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> > required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited> > in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not> > required one .This we should carefully bear in mind)> > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be> > verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and> > planetary positions.> > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan> > is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT> > and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but> > SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant> > factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken> > in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is> > posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> > native is a female one.> > > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> > K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few> > unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted> > above.> > > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> > method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> > > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology.> > > May be who knows.> > > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will> > also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to> > understand why this theory is untouchable?> > > With regards.> > >> > > R.C.Srivastava. .> >> > > swami@> >> > > Past mails summary.> > >> > > By the way rule was> > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> > Suneel,> > > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P> > method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar :> > "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a> > star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a> > male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female> child..."> > > So far, I have found this method extremely> > accurate... L.Y.Rao.> > > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com> > > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> > > Dear sri Rao garu,> > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the> > native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> > chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we> > use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ?> > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> > Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> > > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by> > Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I> > include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes> > ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I> > use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...> > > It is well to remember that, if> > the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as> > the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is> > exact to the minute...> > > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> > > Dear sri Rao Garu,> > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's> > method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to> > to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a> > male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the> > Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the> > native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native> > is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.> > > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> > Birth Time of the chart is correct.> > > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above> > method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri> > Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time> > is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR.> > > Hope now I am clear. Regards.> > > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be> > periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> > signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> > approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all> > the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the> > births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide?> > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male> > and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female> sign.> > > Dhanabalan> > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with> > a Pail of salt> > > raichur anant mumbai> > > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory.> > >> > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 The sub sub users like Dr. Kar and PS Khullar don't think so. , " adith kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath wrote: > > Dear tw ji, > > the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the Natal, as > there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a minute difference > in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify! > > Regards > Adith > > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote: > > > Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and > > Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related > > theories. > > > > If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not > > to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy? > > > > > > <%40>, " swami " > > <swami@> wrote: > > > > > > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ > > > To:<@gro ups.com> > > > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM > > > female and male chart how? > > > Dear Elders, > > > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate > > whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread; > > > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after > > paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or > > how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native? > > > > > > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both > > have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but > > also from conception chart. > > > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar > > mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post > > conception In A & A. > > > Just to quote : > > > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A > > April 1980. > > > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and > > as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25 > > AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts > > 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30. > > > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and > > 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP . > > > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is > > the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in > > such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which > > should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ... > > > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant) > > will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born, > > > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to > > arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct. > > > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart > > lord of sub -sub may be different. > > > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord > > because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the > > required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited > > in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not > > required one .This we should carefully bear in mind) > > > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be > > verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and > > planetary positions. > > > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan > > is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT > > and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but > > SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant > > factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken > > in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is > > posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that > > native is a female one. > > > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri > > K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few > > unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted > > above. > > > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP > > method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji. > > > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology. > > > May be who knows. > > > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will > > also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to > > understand why this theory is untouchable? > > > With regards. > > > > > > R.C.Srivastava.. > > > swami@ > > > Past mails summary. > > > > > > By the way rule was > > > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear > > Suneel, > > > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P > > method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar : > > " If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a > > star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a > > male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child... " > > > So far, I have found this method extremely > > accurate... L.Y.Rao. > > > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com > > > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM > > > Dear sri Rao garu, > > > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the > > native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the > > chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we > > use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ? > > Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road, > > Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591. > > > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by > > Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I > > include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes > > ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I > > use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book... > > > It is well to remember that, if > > the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as > > the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is > > exact to the minute... > > > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM > > > Dear sri Rao Garu, > > > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's > > method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query " How to > > to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a > > male or female ? " . You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the > > Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the > > native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native > > is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct. > > > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the > > Birth Time of the chart is correct. > > > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above > > method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri > > Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time > > is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR. > > > Hope now I am clear. Regards. > > > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be > > periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female > > signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m. > > approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all > > the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the > > births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide? > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta. > > > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male > > and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign. > > > Dhanabalan > > > * The theory, untested should be taken with not " a pinch " , but with > > a Pail of salt > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory. > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Dear Friends,1. For KP beginners, the emphesis should be given to the proper application of established KP rules whithout worrying about small differences in ayanamsa, geographic etc. 2. In casting a KP chart by the computer SW, it is essential to check the following options whether they are set as default and to make changes as required. 1) Placidus house system, 2) Geocentric positions of planets, 3) True positions of planets, 4) Mean nodes, 5) 365 d/y Vimshottari dasa, 6) Geographic latitude, 7) Orb application 3. In some SWs like KPAstro 3.0, Raichur's SW, Jyotisha Deepika 2.0 and Astracadabra, the New KPA is directly applicable and the customizing or offset facility to adjust the old KPA to the New KPA is available in others like Jagannatha Hora (J Hora), Astro-Kundli and Astraura (paid version). In J Hora it is necessary to switch to the KPA option and 365 d/y option in finding the Vimshottari sub dasas. In using the Astrodienst (http://www.astro.com) online chart, it is to take the Mean nodes which can differ from the True nodes by up to 1 ¾ degrees. A note will be presented on Mean Node vs True Node. The `Western geocentric (tropical)' default setting indicates the Geocentric positions of planets but not the Geocentric latitude, which is supported by other SWs like KPAstro 3.0, Astraura, Jyotishya Deepika, Astracadabra, Solar Fire and only Geocentric latitude is used in the Raichur's SW. The application of orb, 3.333 or 5 deg will affect the occupation and conjunction and aspect of the planets. 4. Only when one really knows what he is doing, then one can use different options in calculation of the chart and apply any beyond KP approach of going further: 1) to sub sub after the sub or 2) to sub's star after the sub or 3) to star's star or sub or 4) cuspal interlinks through the subs or sub subs. 5. In this regard any commonly used SW, free or commercial, will be helpful. Raphael ephemeris and table of houses ruled the astrological world when Guruji KSK was doing research and writing KP. These days, the highly accurate Swiss ephemeris dominates the current astrological SWs like KPAstro 3.0, Jagannatha Hora (J Hora), Astro-Kundli, Jyotishya Deepika, Astracadabra and Solar Fire in providing calculation results with high precision than hand calculation. The SWs have also enabled the astrologers to apply more time-consuming techniques in research work.Regards,tw , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > Seeing differences in calculations, ayanamsa, and not using precise> latitude, geocentric vs. geographic latitude etc., taking sub-sub for cuspal> positions in predictions seems a little bit risky to me. Also though KP uses> Placidus house system, there is controversy among westerns for using it for> higher latitudes. Also unavailability of any reliable method for> verification of birth time adds confusion to that.> > In my opinion, though, it is OK to take sub-sub for the planetary positions.> Sub-sub is also OK for BTR, because the process is already documented.> Having said that, still there is no method for verification for the sub-sub> that comes out using RP based BTR.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> gkadithkasinath wrote:> > > Dear tw ji,> >> > the sub sub theory may be useful only in the horary but not in the Natal,> > as there are chances of difference in the sub sub even for a minute> > difference in the birth time which is very difficult to rectify!> >> > Regards> > Adith> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:36 PM, tw853 tw853 wrote:> >> >> Dr. Kar calls his sub sub theory as Kar Padhdhati, Baskaran as KB and> >> Khullar KCIL without mixing up with KP for their own way of KP related> >> theories.> >>> >> If the sub sub is supposed to give better accurate prediction, why not> >> to go further to the sub sub sub for the best accuracy?> >>> >>> >> <%40>, "swami"> >> swami@ wrote:> >> >> >> > kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma@ >> >> To:@gro ups.com>> >> > Wednesday, 7 January, 2009 10:08:46 AM> >> > female and male chart how?> >> > Dear Elders,> >> > One date of birth is given or chart is given how to discriminate> >> whether given is that of male or female chart? Please explain.. suniel> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > In continuation to discussion so far on this thread;> >> > Sometimes we miss the point. To my understanding Question after> >> paraphrasing was How to find sex of native from chart under study or> >> how to verify chart erected on birth data confirms sex of Native?> >> >> >> > If this inference is correct Sub theory and Vedic astrology both> >> have principles to determine sex not only from the birth chart but> >> also from conception chart.> >> > In KP Literature I have come across writing by Pdt K.R.Kar> >> mentioning rules about how to judge Sex of native. And also post> >> conception In A & A.> >> > Just to quote :> >> > Ref Dedicated To Learners- Beginners Events that came true. In A & A> >> April 1980.> >> > # A Krishna Murti follower furnished the birth data of the lady and> >> as per him, her birth might have taken place between 2-15 AM and 2-25> >> AM on 19 th July 1952 which He corrected and arrived at 2 hrs 25 Mts> >> 24 sec AM IST for 87E30 and 22N30.> >> > I took the matter for judgment on 9-6-79 at 8-45 P.M. at 85E20 and> >> 22N06....He continues to examine as per KP guide lines... using RP .> >> > At the end of consideration of RP planets He continues: Sub-sub is> >> the strongest lord and we should attach careful attention to this in> >> such a way that its star lord should be posited in the sign which> >> should be a female sign (the case is for female birth) ...> >> > Further his argument was, The sub- sub lord of the lagna (Ascendant)> >> will decide whether the native is a male born or a female born,> >> > It is true that on the basis of RP we can select the sub- sub to> >> arrive at the conclusion that may not always be correct.> >> > In ruling planets, lords of Sub- sub may be one but in Birth chart> >> lord of sub -sub may be different.> >> > (for example, suppose we wisely selected planet A as Sub- sub lord> >> because he is posited in the star of planet B who is posited in the> >> required Rasi but while birth chart is erected A may not be posited> >> in the star of B , He may have shifted to some other Rasi which is not> >> required one .This we should carefully bear in mind)> >> > Whether consideration of Saturn sub- sub is justified or not can be> >> verified from the birth chart when we will erect her cusp and> >> planetary positions.> >> > * To determine the sex of native, sub- sub lord of Ascendant lagan> >> is to be examined. The sub -sub lord of the lagan is Say a Planet SAT> >> and SAT is posited at Virgo - kanya and SAT is a female rasi but> >> SAT s occupancy in the female sign is not the final determinant> >> factor. Star position of the planet in stellar method is to be taken> >> in to deep consideration. Saturn is posited in the star of Moon who is> >> posited in the female sign of Taurus- Rishaba. So we can say that> >> native is a female one.> >> > I appreciate The Answer given by Sri Lajmi ji and agree to Shri> >> K.P.Naidu if any rule applies Reverse may also be true (barring a few> >> unknown parameters ) as its application is discussed in example quoted> >> above.> >> > Although I could not understand>if not, correct it is as per KP> >> method < in the statement of Shri lajmi ji.> >> > I hope Now Hard liner will say That Pdt Kar was not in KP Astrology.> >> > May be who knows.> >> > Lastly every body knows lagan is fastest so with time, Sub-sub will> >> also be very fast and Star lord is also going to change, I want to> >> understand why this theory is untouchable?> >> > With regards.> >> >> >> > R.C.Srivastava..> >> > swami@> >> > Past mails summary.> >> >> >> > By the way rule was> >> > * Yogesh Rao Lajmi Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 7:53 PM Dear> >> Suneel,> >> > If the TOB given is the exact one, (if not, correct it as per K.P> >> method). Then, pl. follow the method given by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar :> >> "If the sub-lord of the sub-lord of the Ascendant, if posited in a> >> star, whose lord is situated in a male sign then the chart is of a> >> male child... if in a female sign, then the chart is of a female child..."> >> > So far, I have found this method extremely> >> accurate... L.Y.Rao.> >> > * K. P. Naidu konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in o: @gro ups.com> >> > Thursday, 8 January, 2009 9:44:54 PM> >> > Dear sri Rao garu,> >> > If the method of sri Gondhalekar for ascertaining the gender of the> >> native of the given chart, proved correct, can we confirm that the> >> chart is correct and the Birth Date is correct. In other wards, can we> >> use this Gondhalekar; s method to rectify/correct the Birth Time ?> >> Regards. K. P. Naidu, Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts., Nowroji Road,> >> Maharanipeta, VISAKHAPATNAM 530002. Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.> >> > * Personally,I use the method given in Astrosecrets & K.P by> >> Mr.K.Subramaniam and the late Shri M.P. Shanmugham, Part II...but I> >> include the sub and sub-sub also to fine-tune the TOB...but, sometimes> >> ,rarely though, this method does not seem practicable, in that case I> >> use the Ruling Planets method described in the same book...> >> > It is well to remember that, if> >> the Ascendant's sub lord and the sub-sub lord appear to the same as> >> the st.-lord and sub-lord of the Moon...such a TOB arrived at, is> >> exact to the minute...> >> > * K. P. Naidu Friday, 9 January, 2009, 10:19 PM> >> > Dear sri Rao Garu,> >> > I am sorry, the matter is deviated. I have not referred Shanmugam's> >> method nor RP method. Some reader in this forum raised query "How to> >> to acertain the gender of the native of a given chart - whether of a> >> male or female ? ". You have replied Gondhalekar' s method - If the> >> Ascendant's sub lord's sub lord's star lord falls in a male sign the> >> native of the given chart is Male, if falls in female sign the native> >> is female child. All this holds good, if the Birth Time is correct.> >> > You said the above Gondhalekar' s method will work only when the> >> Birth Time of the chart is correct.> >> > I, therefore, asked you in my previous message, whether the above> >> method works in reverse order to rectify Birth Time. i.e., if sri> >> Gondhalekar' s method gives correct result, can we consider Birth Time> >> is correct ? If yes, this method can be used for BTR.> >> > Hope now I am clear. Regards.> >> > * This theory should be taken with a pinch of salt. There may be> >> periods when all the planets happen to occupy either male or female> >> signs for up to 2¼ days. For example, from 12-10-2009 2 a...m.> >> approximately to 14-10-2009 approx 3.30 a.m. about over 2 days, all> >> the planets will occupy female signs. Can it be possible that all the> >> births during these 2 days would be only girls worldwide?> >> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> >> > * Dear Mehta In the male sign, the first fifteen degrees are male> >> and the next fifteen degrees are female and vice versa for female sign.> >> > Dhanabalan> >> > * The theory, untested should be taken with not "a pinch", but with> >> a Pail of salt> >> > raichur anant mumbai> >> > * Agreed. And, I thnik that KP does not recognize this theory.> >> >> >> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> >> >> >>> >>> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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