Q.02

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani ji,No difference at all between JHora and KPAstro as shown below.Regards,twMessage #22020 of 22047 Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results Birth detail of the Baby DOB - 24. 12. 2008TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be allowed.)POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01Time Zone - 5.5 hrsBy using KPNA 23:53:32,KPAstro->Asc 25 Cn 02:51..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33 (as in uploaded chart)JHora ---> Asc 25 Cn 02:51.01 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33.27--------------------------Birth detail of the BabyDOB - 24. 12. 2009TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be allowed.)POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01Time Zone - 5.5 hrsBy using KPNA 23:54:22,KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05JHora ---> Asc 22 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11 , "Ramani" <kadavasalramani wrote:>> ear Moderator,> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.> > Thanking you.> Astrologically yours,> > K.S.V.Ramani>

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents were with the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they sought the assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In the meantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice. That was the ending time of "Test our expertise" and soon I decided to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions to BTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as it is and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and it is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.As

intelligent members and participants, all should be able to understand that there was not any Chart made or post in this connection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no any uniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs are depend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not forwarding the Chart detail.Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all the KP followers.I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which was beyond my control. and happy to see a long and very important discussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in Medical Astrology.SunaparanthaRamani <kadavasalramani Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM Q.02

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

 

Pl take it easy as You're not wrong, no SW is wrong, and one is wrong

in the application of SW. It's normal and no controversy, no confusion

at all, other than a bit exaggeration.

 

Pl carry on your contribution.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Sunaparantha Kalyan

<sunaparantha wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.

> The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents were

with the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the

Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they sought

the assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In the

meantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice.

>

> That was the ending time of " Test our expertise " and soon I decided

to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.

> As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions to BTVR

before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as it is

and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and it

is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.

> As intelligent members and participants, all should be able to

understand that there was not any Chart made or post in this

connection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)

> However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no any

uniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs are

depend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.

> Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not

forwarding the Chart detail.

> Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all the

KP followers.

> I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which was beyond

my control. and happy to see a long and very important discussion in

the forum in connection with a rare case in Medical Astrology.

>

> Sunaparantha

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Ramani <kadavasalramani

>

> Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM

> Q.02

>

>

> ear Moderator,

> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for

> solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other

> SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem

one SW

> and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW

the birth

> data are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi

> with Ayanamsa.

> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour

> of the

> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix

> which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji

using

> J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical

> field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt

future

> Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of

> code.

>

> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani Q.02 Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear TinWin

One correction.

For 24-12-2009, for ayanamsa 23.54.22, the Asc value for J.Hora and KP Astro 3 are same 24.48.06. The value 22.48.06 may be a typing error.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Q.02 Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:22 PM

 

 

Dear Ramani ji,No difference at all between JHora and KPAstro as shown below.Regards,twMessage #22020 of 22047 Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results Birth detail of the Baby DOB - 24. 12. 2008TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be allowed.)POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01Time Zone - 5.5 hrsBy using KPNA 23:53:32,KPAstro->Asc 25 Cn 02:51..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33 (as in uploaded chart)JHora ---> Asc 25 Cn 02:51.01 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33.27------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --Birth detail of the BabyDOB - 24. 12. 2009TOB - 9.14

pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be allowed.)POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01Time Zone - 5.5 hrsBy using KPNA 23:54:22,KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05JHora ---> Asc 22 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11 @gro ups.com, "Ramani" <kadavasalramani@ ...> wrote:>> ear Moderator,> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am

absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.> > Thanking you.> Astrologically yours,> > K.S.V.Ramani>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

Kindly don't misunderstand me. I have not found fault with you. It was my request to moderator to fix some norms for uniformity. From the discussion in forum, I felt that it was my carelessness not to verify my reply carefully. I admit that I omitted to see some important items. I request to excuse me if it had hurt you.

 

With regards,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Sunaparantha Kalyan

Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents were with the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they sought the assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In the meantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice. That was the ending time of "Test our expertise" and soon I decided to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions to BTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as it is and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and it is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.As intelligent members and participants, all should be able to understand that there was not any Chart made or post in this connection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no any uniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs are depend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not forwarding the Chart detail.Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all the KP followers.I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which was beyond my control. and happy to see a long and very important discussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in Medical Astrology.Sunaparantha

 

 

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM Q.02

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,Thanks u for your advise.Neither controversy nor confusion from my end, as this is the University of Thakshila for me to build as a KP follower."Rolling stone gathers no moss"RegdsSunaparanthatw853 <tw853 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:25:43

PM Re: Q.02

 

Dear Friend,

 

Pl take it easy as You're not wrong, no SW is wrong, and one is wrong

in the application of SW. It's normal and no controversy, no confusion

at all, other than a bit exaggeration.

 

Pl carry on your contribution.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan

<sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.

> The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents were

with the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the

Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they sought

the assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In the

meantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice.

>

> That was the ending time of "Test our expertise" and soon I decided

to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.

> As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions to BTVR

before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as it is

and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and it

is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.

> As intelligent members and participants, all should be able to

understand that there was not any Chart made or post in this

connection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)

> However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no any

uniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs are

depend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.

> Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not

forwarding the Chart detail.

> Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all the

KP followers.

> I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which was beyond

my control. and happy to see a long and very important discussion in

the forum in connection with a rare case in Medical Astrology.

>

> Sunaparantha

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ ...>

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM

> Q.02

>

>

> ear Moderator,

> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for

> solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other

> SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem

one SW

> and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW

the birth

> data are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi

> with Ayanamsa.

> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour

> of the

> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix

> which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji

using

> J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical

> field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt

future

> Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of

> code.

>

> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani Ji, Thanks for yr understanding.I never think and act that the school is a place to quarrel.All of us are students anyway.We have come here for gaining of everything for our lives, but not for loosing anything.What I did is a making a clarification on the matter under discuss.Wish u all the best.SunaparanthaRamani <kadavasalramaniTo:

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:45:00 AMRe: Q.02

 

 

Dear Sir,

Kindly don't misunderstand me. I have not found fault with you. It was my request to moderator to fix some norms for uniformity. From the discussion in forum, I felt that it was my carelessness not to verify my reply carefully. I admit that I omitted to see some important items. I request to excuse me if it had hurt you.

 

With regards,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Sunaparantha Kalyan

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents were with the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they sought the assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In the meantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice. That was the ending time of "Test our expertise" and soon I decided to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions to BTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as it is and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and it is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.As intelligent members and participants, all should be able to understand that there was not any Chart made or post in this connection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no any uniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs are depend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not forwarding the Chart detail.Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all the KP followers.I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which was beyond my control. and happy to see a long and very important discussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in Medical Astrology.Sunaparantha

 

 

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM Q.02

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani > wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani > Q.02 Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani ji,Though the question is asked to Dhanabalan ji, I just want to share some of my thoughts on why people use different ayanamsa and different calculations. There are various reasons, but I can think these are few of the important reasons -

1. Most of the KP astrologers don't think KP Publishers as the authority of the KP. 2. People get better results using other ayanamsa and other calculations like - True Rahu. Generally in astronomy, Mean calculations are calculated first and then corrections are applied to get True value. For most of the planets, True values are considered more accurate. Though in case of Rahu, in my opinion, Mean values are more accurate. A detailed discussion on this topic can be found in archive of the forum.

3. Some systems, like Khullar ji's cuspal interlink, use other ayanamsa and they have showcased accuracy in their books. We had a huge debate on this in this forum, but the debate was mostly theoretical and hence we were not able to conclude anything.

Especially, the question is ayanamsa is at least thousand years old and not settled yet and I doubt it will settle ever because we have so many authorities in astrology. For the sake of consistency, this forum suggesting using KPNA (KP New) ayanamsa. Having said that, the final selection of ayanamsa or other calculation is left on the astrologer and s/he can decide using which ayanamsa and calculation method give him/her correct results.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

 

Dhanabalan R

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani Q.02 Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani

 

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

 

Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

 

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

 

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

 

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

 

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramaniRe: Q.02 Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

 

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

 

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani

Re: Q.02 Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

 

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02

@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit Pandey

My reply is in red color

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

Dear Ramani

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

 

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?

At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using Straightline ayanamsa.

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Mr.KSK¢s KP system is very simple.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Q.02 Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Re: Q.02

@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

-

Dhanabalan R

 

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

 

I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want authentic rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting practical exercise

and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. SW developers also should adopt uniform

procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.

 

With regards,

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey My reply is in red color

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Ramani

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days. Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING? At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using Straightline ayanamsa.

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Mr.KSK¢s KP system is very simple.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp >Re: Q.02 Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

 

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

 

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

 

Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Re: Q.02

@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

-

Dhanabalan R

 

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.com Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Dhanabalan,Sorry for typing error. The correct value is in RED.> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05> JHora -- >Asc 24 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11> tw , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear TinWin> One correction.> For 24-12-2009, for ayanamsa 23.54.22, the Asc value for J.Hora and KP Astro 3 are same 24.48.06. The value 22.48.06 may be a typing error.> > Dhanabalan> > --- On Fri, 1/16/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: Q.02> > Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:22 PM> > > > > > > Dear Ramani ji,> > No difference at all between JHora and KPAstro as shown below.> > Regards,> > tw> > Message #22020 of 22047 > Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results > > Birth detail of the Baby > DOB - 24. 12. 2008> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be allowed.)> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs> By using KPNA 23:53:32,> KPAstro->Asc 25 Cn 02:51..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33 (as in uploaded chart)> JHora ---> Asc 25 Cn 02:51.01 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 17 Cn 27:33.27> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Birth detail of the Baby> DOB - 24. 12. 2009> TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be allowed.)> POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> Time Zone - 5.5 hrs> By using KPNA 23:54:22,> KPAstro->Asc 24 Cn 48:06..... (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05> JHora ---> Asc 22 Cn 48:06.59 (1st CSL Rahu); Ke 28 Ge 07:05.11> > > @gro ups.com, "Ramani" <kadavasalramani@ ...> wrote:> >> > ear Moderator,> > Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are> > taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.> > In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the > > participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.> > > > Thanking you.> > Astrologically yours,> > > > K.S.V.Ramani> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunaparantha Kalyan,

 

This is not quarreling but discussing to clear the confusion. This is

nothing with compared to the heated discussions we had before.

Sometimes it's unavoidable although every one wants to be nice. This

is the forum to discuss in learning KP.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Sunaparantha Kalyan

<sunaparantha wrote:

>

> Dear Ramani Ji,

> Thanks for yr understanding.

> I never think and act that the school is a place to quarrel.

> All of us are students anyway.

> We have come here for gaining of everything for our lives, but not

for loosing anything.

> What I did is a making a clarification on the matter under discuss.

>

> Wish u all the best.

>

> Sunaparantha

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Ramani <kadavasalramani

>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:45:00 AM

> Re: Q.02

>

>

> Dear Sir,

> Kindly don't misunderstand me. I have not

> found fault with you. It was my request to moderator to fix some

norms for

> uniformity. From the discussion in forum, I felt that it was my

> carelessness not to verify my reply carefully. I admit that I

omitted to see

> some important items. I request to excuse me if it had hurt

> you.

>

> With regards,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

> -

> Sunaparantha Kalyan

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49 PM

> Re: Q.02

>

> Dear Members,

>

> As the Quiz Master of No. 02, it is my duty explain the situation.

> The birth of the baby was a very rare case, and the parents were

with the tearing eyes to know whether it is a curable disorder, as the

Medical Officers concern had postponed any surgery. Then they sought

the assistance of Astrology and have ran here and there. In the

meantime a family friend of mine brought it to my notice.

>

> That was the ending time of " Test our expertise " and soon I decided

to forward the birth to the forum as 2nd quiz.

> As our seniors and gurujis have advised in several occasions to

BTVR before make any prediction on a natal Chart, I kept the BT as it

is and allowed to the participants to make any correction if need and

it is clearly mentiond in my post together with the TOB.

> As intelligent members and participants, all should be able to

understand that there was not any Chart made or post in this

connection, where I have mentioned as above (BTVR)

> However one important fact has been jumped from tha sack, as no any

uniformity in the SWs, we use. The differences of the O/Ps of SWs are

depend on the knowledge of the developer and the system he follws.

> Hence I dont wish to accept any damage or responsibiity by not

forwarding the Chart detail.

> Finally, I wish to emphazise to make a treaty that can bind all the

KP followers.

> I am sorry for the lost labour of the participants, which was

beyond my control. and happy to see a long and very important

discussion in the forum in connection with a rare case in Medical

Astrology.

>

> Sunaparantha

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, January 16, 2009 7:05:57 AM

> Q.02

>

>

> ear Moderator,

> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not

clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the

other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth

data are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora,

as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field.

It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future

Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

>

> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

[Guest guest]

This is an individuals choice, unless the owner of the group insists that only kpnew ayanams should be used, anthos letters not using this will spammed.

raichur anant mumbai--- On Sat, 17/1/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramaniRe: Q.02 Date: Saturday, 17 January, 2009, 3:59 PM

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

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Dear Ramani ji,I am planning to maintain the conclusion of discussions of this forum and clear guidelines to beginners in the KP wiki (http://sites.google.com/a/astrosage.com/logy/Home). Of course, I can not do it alone and seeking help from other members. Hope one day we will make that wiki useful.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey2009/1/18 Ramani <kadavasalramani

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

 

I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want authentic rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting practical exercise

and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. SW developers also should adopt uniform

procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.

 

With regards,

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

 

Dhanabalan R

 

Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey My reply is in red color

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote: Dear Ramani

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days. Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING? At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are using Straightline ayanamsa.

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Mr.KSK's KP system is very simple.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Q.02 Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

 

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

 

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

 

Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Re: Q.02

@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

-

Dhanabalan R

 

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.com Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit ji,

 

1. Let me take this opprtunuty to express my personal opinion to

maintain only the well estabished KP rules in the KP wiki and other

views without support of research to be kept seperately, otherwise it

will be messed up for the KP creditibility of the wiki, for one

instance a planet to be wholely malefic or benefic is invalid not

only in KP but also out of date in the modern Vedic and Western and

also no sufficient proof at all.

 

2. Only empirical research not mere speculate talking can make a rule

or break a rule. One can have his own view whatever he like or fit to

him but it cannot change the existing rule.

 

3. As said and demonstarted, nothing is wrong with the commonly used

SWs and the problem may be with user.

 

Regrds,

 

tw

 

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Ramani ji,

>

> I am planning to maintain the conclusion of discussions of this

forum and

> clear guidelines to beginners in the KP wiki (

> http://sites.google.com/a/astrosage.com/logy/Home). Of

course, I can

> not do it alone and seeking help from other members. Hope one day

we will

> make that wiki useful.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> 2009/1/18 Ramani <kadavasalramani

>

> > Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

> >

> > I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP

system

> > like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

> > True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want

authentic

> > rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after

conducting

> > practical exercise

> > and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my

request. SW

> > developers also should adopt uniform

> > procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness

unchallenging.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Astrologically yours,

> >

> > K.S.V.Ramani

> >

> > -

> > ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Q.02

> >

> > Dear Punit Pandey

> >

> > My reply is in red color

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in

your email.

> > Please see my response below.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

<r.dhanabalan@+>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramani

> >

> >

> >

> > Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

> >

> > In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean

Rahu. It is

> > an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of

the node is

> > correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu.

Most of the

> > westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using

True Rahu

> > and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended

his class.

> > With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the

international

> > level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and

True Rahu, I

> > prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

Mathematically True

> > Rahu is correct.

> >

> > TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS

RECENT

> > DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS

ACCURATE. IF YOU

> > HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL,

BY THE NAME

> > 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

CORRECTION

> > LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY

ASTROLOGERS WHO

> > DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND

USE IT JUST

> > BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

> >

> > I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

> >

> > Ayanamsa:

> >

> > Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in

KP have

> > used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give

correct

> > prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

straightline

> > ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use

Straightline

> > ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari

ayanamsam

> > from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

> >

> > 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING

SO, OR

> > JUST SPECULATING?

> >

> > At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are

using

> > Straightline ayanamsa.

> >

> > KP Publishers:

> >

> > KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite

of nine

> > editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by

the

> > publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers have

> > conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no

appreciable

> > difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA,

KP

> > straightline and Lahari.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhava begin or bhava middle:

> >

> > I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at

midpoint of

> > two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According to

> > me, it is mathematically correct.

> >

> > IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR

THOUSAND YEAR

> > NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE

RASI/ LAGNA

> > CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST

FOR YOU.

> > THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT

> > SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

THEORY, S/HE

> > WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

> >

> > It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora

has this

> > option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not

available in my

> > software. I have requested the software supplier to add this

option.

> >

> > SubSub lord:

> >

> > Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using

subsub and

> > subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

> >

> > AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE

NOT SEEN

> > MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

> >

> > Mr.KSK's KP system is very simple.

> >

> > Quiz charts:

> >

> > First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

> > astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons

above 40

> > years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp

> > Re: Q.02

> >

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in

your email.

> > Please see my response below.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

<r.dhanabalan

> > > wrote:

> >

> >> Dear Ramani

> >> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

> >> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean

Rahu. It

> >> is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path

of the node

> >> is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True

Rahu. Most of

> >> the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is

using True

> >> Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has

attended his

> >> class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers

in the

> >> international level are using true rahu. Having studied about

Mean Rahu and

> >> True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and

KP. Mathematically

> >> True Rahu is correct.

> >> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS

RECENT

> >> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS

ACCURATE. IF YOU

> >> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL,

BY THE NAME

> >> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

CORRECTION

> >> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY

ASTROLOGERS WHO

> >> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND

USE IT JUST

> >> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

> >> Ayanamsa:

> >> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in

KP have

> >> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give

correct

> >> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

straightline

> >> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use

Straightline

> >> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari

ayanamsam

> >> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

> >> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR

SAYING SO, OR

> >> JUST SPECULATING?

> >> KP Publishers:

> >> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite

of nine

> >> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by

the

> >> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers have

> >> conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no

appreciable

> >> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for

KPNA, KP

> >> straightline and Lahari.

> >> Bhava begin or bhava middle:

> >> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at

midpoint of

> >> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According to

> >> me, it is mathematically correct.

> >> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR

THOUSAND YEAR

> >> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE

RASI/ LAGNA

> >> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST

FOR YOU.

> >> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT

> >> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

THEORY, S/HE

> >> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

> >> SubSub lord:

> >> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using

subsub and

> >> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

> >> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE

NOT SEEN

> >> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

> >> Quiz charts:

> >> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

> >> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons

above 40

> >> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

> >> Dhanabalan

> >>

> >>

> >> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@

gmail.com<kadavasalramani

> >> >* wrote:

> >>

> >> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com <kadavasalramani>

> >> Re: Q.02

> >> @gro ups.com

> >> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

> >>

> >> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

> >>

> >> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I

wonder why

> >> different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu

etc. by

> >> different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP

Publishers in 2003

> >> closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further

contrary

> >> discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the

SWs also

> >> show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different

results. What is

> >> your advice Sir.

> >>

> >> Astrologically yours,

> >>

> >> K.S.V.Ramani

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

> >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

> >> *Subject:* Re: Q.02

> >>

> >> Dear Ramani

> >> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss

ephemeris..

> >> So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a

particular

> >> ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is

used. Nothing

> >> is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members

to use

> >> particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But

members can

> >> give justification for using different parameters. For example,

Mr.Sagar is

> >> using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some

may use bhava

> >> middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True

rahu for

> >> their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of

vedic

> >> aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular

method to

> >> rectify the birth time.

> >>

> >> Dhanabalan

> >>

> >> --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote:

> >>

> >> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> >> Q.02

> >> @gro ups.com

> >> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

> >>

> >> ear Moderator,

> >> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of

Q.02. Many

> >> others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not

clear why

> >> there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other.

The quis

> >> master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

> >> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> >> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> >> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

should

> >> use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as

he richly

> >> deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is

only for the

> >> information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may

kindly be

> >> excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

> >>

> >> Thanking you.

> >> Astrologically yours,

> >>

> >> K.S.V.Ramani

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani

 

No one is doing research to improve the existing KP system. Writing books on astrology, writing articles on astrology and stage speech are behind the screen and anybody can do. But participating in the quiz is not so. We have to develop the authentic rule. We can improve the system only through quiz program. Now this group has started the quiz program to identify the strength and weakness of the individual and also the system.. After conducting about 100 quiz programs, we can gain some idea. So I request all the members to participate in the quiz program to develop a system which is accepted by all.

 

Dhanabalan

 

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramaniRe: Q.02 Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:59 AM

 

 

 

Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

 

I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP system like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want authentic rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after conducting practical exercise

and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my request. SW developers also should adopt uniform

procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness unchallenging.

 

With regards,

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey My reply is in red color

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dear Ramani

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days. Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING? At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai , about 50% are using Straightline ayanamsa.

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora has this option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not available in my software. I have requested the software supplier to add this option.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Mr.KSK¢s KP system is very simple.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Q.02@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in your email. Please see my response below. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

 

Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS RECENT DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS ACCURATE. IF YOU HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL, BY THE NAME 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING CORRECTION LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY ASTROLOGERS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND USE IT JUST BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

Ayanamsa:

Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. . DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING SO, OR JUST SPECULATING?

KP Publishers:

KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa... As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

 

Bhava begin or bhava middle:

I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR THOUSAND YEAR NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE RASI/ LAGNA CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST FOR YOU. THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY THINK THAT SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS THEORY, S/HE WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

SubSub lord:

Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

Quiz charts:

First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

 

Dhanabalan

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

Re: Q.02

@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

 

-

Dhanabalan R

 

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris... So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.com Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J...Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Tw ji,I am in agreement on all the 3 points mentioned. Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:44 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

1. Let me take this opprtunuty to express my personal opinion to

maintain only the well estabished KP rules in the KP wiki and other

views without support of research to be kept seperately, otherwise it

will be messed up for the KP creditibility of the wiki, for one

instance a planet to be wholely malefic or benefic is invalid not

only in KP but also out of date in the modern Vedic and Western and

also no sufficient proof at all.

 

2. Only empirical research not mere speculate talking can make a rule

or break a rule. One can have his own view whatever he like or fit to

him but it cannot change the existing rule.

 

3. As said and demonstarted, nothing is wrong with the commonly used

SWs and the problem may be with user.

 

Regrds,

 

tw

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Ramani ji,

>

> I am planning to maintain the conclusion of discussions of this

forum and

> clear guidelines to beginners in the KP wiki (

> http://sites.google.com/a/astrosage.com/logy/Home). Of

course, I can

> not do it alone and seeking help from other members. Hope one day

we will

> make that wiki useful.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> 2009/1/18 Ramani <kadavasalramani

>

> > Dear Moderator/Shri Dhanabalanji,

> >

> > I like this sort of healthy arguments on some of the important KP

system

> > like cuspal position, Ayanamsa,

> > True Rau/Mean Rahu etc. But what ordinary readers' like me want

authentic

> > rule on all such matters from the research scholers, after

conducting

> > practical exercise

> > and coming to correct ruling, accepted by all. This is only my

request. SW

> > developers also should adopt uniform

> > procedure, when the research scholors prove the correctness

unchallenging.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Astrologically yours,

> >

> > K.S.V.Ramani

> >

> > -

> > ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:13 PM

> > *Subject:* Re: Q.02

> >

> > Dear Punit Pandey

> >

> > My reply is in red color

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in

your email.

> > Please see my response below.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

<r.dhanabalan@+>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ramani

> >

> >

> >

> > Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

> >

> > In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean

Rahu. It is

> > an average value.. With the help of computers the exact path of

the node is

> > correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu.

Most of the

> > westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using

True Rahu

> > and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended

his class.

> > With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the

international

> > level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and

True Rahu, I

> > prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP.

Mathematically True

> > Rahu is correct.

> >

> > TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS

RECENT

> > DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS

ACCURATE. IF YOU

> > HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL,

BY THE NAME

> > 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

CORRECTION

> > LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY

ASTROLOGERS WHO

> > DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND

USE IT JUST

> > BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

> >

> > I differ from you. I will send articles on True Rahu after 5 days.

> >

> > Ayanamsa:

> >

> > Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in

KP have

> > used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give

correct

> > prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

straightline

> > ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use

Straightline

> > ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari

ayanamsam

> > from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

> >

> > 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR SAYING

SO, OR

> > JUST SPECULATING?

> >

> > At Salem District in Tamilnadu and also at Madurai, about 50% are

using

> > Straightline ayanamsa.

> >

> > KP Publishers:

> >

> > KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite

of nine

> > editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by

the

> > publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers have

> > conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no

appreciable

> > difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA,

KP

> > straightline and Lahari.

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhava begin or bhava middle:

> >

> > I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at

midpoint of

> > two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According to

> > me, it is mathematically correct.

> >

> > IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR

THOUSAND YEAR

> > NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE

RASI/ LAGNA

> > CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST

FOR YOU.

> > THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT

> > SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

THEORY, S/HE

> > WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

> >

> > It would be proved in the quiz program. Only the Jagannatha Hora

has this

> > option. I am using Astro Wonder software. This option is not

available in my

> > software. I have requested the software supplier to add this

option.

> >

> > SubSub lord:

> >

> > Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using

subsub and

> > subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

> >

> > AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE

NOT SEEN

> > MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

> >

> > Mr.KSK's KP system is very simple.

> >

> > Quiz charts:

> >

> > First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

> > astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons

above 40

> > years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp

> > Re: Q.02

> >

> > Saturday, January 17, 2009, 3:56 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > Some of the facts stated are simply incorrect and misleading in

your email.

> > Please see my response below.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

<r.dhanabalan

> > > wrote:

> >

> >> Dear Ramani

> >> Mean Rahu and True Rahu:

> >> In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean

Rahu. It

> >> is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path

of the node

> >> is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True

Rahu. Most of

> >> the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is

using True

> >> Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has

attended his

> >> class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers

in the

> >> international level are using true rahu. Having studied about

Mean Rahu and

> >> True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and

KP. Mathematically

> >> True Rahu is correct.

> >> TRUE RAHU DOSN'T MEAN CORRECT CALCULATION. THOUGH TRUE RAHU IS

RECENT

> >> DISCOVERY, ASTRONOMICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT TRUE RAHU IS

ACCURATE. IF YOU

> >> HAVE ANY REFERENCE, PLEASE SHARE. AS I MEANTIONED IN THE EMAIL,

BY THE NAME

> >> 'TRUE RAHU' IT SEEMS THAT IT IS RAHU CALCULATION AFTER APPLYING

CORRECTION

> >> LIKE OTHER PLANETS WHICH IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE ARE MANY

ASTROLOGERS WHO

> >> DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ASTRONOMY BEHIND TRUE RAHU CALCULATION AND

USE IT JUST

> >> BECAUSE 'TRUE' IS SUFFIXED.

> >> Ayanamsa:

> >> Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in

KP have

> >> used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give

correct

> >> prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using

straightline

> >> ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use

Straightline

> >> ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari

ayanamsam

> >> from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

> >> 50% SEEMS EXTREMLY EXAGGERATED.. DO YOU HAVE ANY STUDY FOR

SAYING SO, OR

> >> JUST SPECULATING?

> >> KP Publishers:

> >> KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite

of nine

> >> editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by

the

> >> publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP

publishers have

> >> conducted a research on Ayanamsa.. As TinWin said there is no

appreciable

> >> difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for

KPNA, KP

> >> straightline and Lahari.

> >> Bhava begin or bhava middle:

> >> I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at

midpoint of

> >> two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back.

According to

> >> me, it is mathematically correct.

> >> IT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE. HOUSE DIVISION IN INDIA IS THERE FOR

THOUSAND YEAR

> >> NOW, BUT THERE ARE PEOLE WHO SIMPLY IGNORE BHAVA CHART AND USE

RASI/ LAGNA

> >> CHART. SO IT IS YOUR CHOICE. YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER WORK BEST

FOR YOU.

> >> THOUGH BHAVA MIDDLE IS NOT SUGGESTED BY SHRI KSK. IF SOMEBODY

THINK THAT

> >> SHRI KSK WAS NOT CORRECT OR SOME CHANGES ARE REQUIRED IN HIS

THEORY, S/HE

> >> WILL HAVE TO SHOW BY PRACTICAL APPLICATION.

> >> SubSub lord:

> >> Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using

subsub and

> >> subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

> >> AGAIN LIKE YOU, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION. WE HAVE

NOT SEEN

> >> MANY PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF SUB SUB AND SUB SUB SUB AS WELL.

> >> Quiz charts:

> >> First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the

> >> astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons

above 40

> >> years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

> >> Dhanabalan

> >>

> >>

> >> --- On *Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@

gmail.com<kadavasalramani

> >> >* wrote:

> >>

> >> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com <kadavasalramani>

> >> Re: Q.02

> >> @gro ups.com

> >> Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

> >>

> >> Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

> >>

> >> Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I

wonder why

> >> different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu

etc. by

> >> different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP

Publishers in 2003

> >> closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further

contrary

> >> discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the

SWs also

> >> show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different

results. What is

> >> your advice Sir.

> >>

> >> Astrologically yours,

> >>

> >> K.S.V.Ramani

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> ** Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

> >> *To:* @gro ups.com

> >> *Sent:* Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

> >> *Subject:* Re: Q.02

> >>

> >> Dear Ramani

> >> Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss

ephemeris..

> >> So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a

particular

> >> ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is

used. Nothing

> >> is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members

to use

> >> particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But

members can

> >> give justification for using different parameters. For example,

Mr.Sagar is

> >> using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some

may use bhava

> >> middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True

rahu for

> >> their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of

vedic

> >> aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular

method to

> >> rectify the birth time.

> >>

> >> Dhanabalan

> >>

> >> --- On *Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>* wrote:

> >>

> >> Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>

> >> Q.02

> >> @gro ups.com

> >> Friday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

> >>

> >> ear Moderator,

> >> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of

Q.02. Many

> >> others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not

clear why

> >> there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other.

The quis

> >> master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

> >> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> >> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> >> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

should

> >> use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as

he richly

> >> deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is

only for the

> >> information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may

kindly be

> >> excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

> >>

> >> Thanking you.

> >> Astrologically yours,

> >>

> >> K.S.V.Ramani

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thanks for your explanation for True Rahu, Bhava middle,

Ayanamsa, sub-sub etc. I need further clarification on

(i) Ayanamsa - Does it mean using Lahiri Ayanamsa or

if ti is other method, is there any special calculation of

straight line Ayanamsa.? (ii) Bhava middle: Does it mean

Sripathi Paddhathi ( & not placitude) or any othe method?

Pl. oblige.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:39 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani Mean Rahu and True Rahu: In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct. Ayanamsa: Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa. KP Publishers: KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari. Bhava begin or bhava middle: I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct. SubSub lord: Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough. Quiz charts: First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani > wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani >Re: Q.02 Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Ramani

 

Every year, Lahari ayanamsa is published. It is not straightline ayanamsa. At present, the difference between Lahari and KP straightline ayanamsa are negligible. Mr.KMS has used the KP straightline ayanamsa in his article “Sublord Speaks”. Details about ayanamsa calculation are available in file section.

 

Placidious house division with bhava middle. Please download Jagannatha Hora free software and see the features. Your doubts would be cleared by J.Hora.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 1/22/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramaniRe: Q.02 Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 6:09 AM

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thanks for your explanation for True Rahu, Bhava middle,

Ayanamsa, sub-sub etc. I need further clarification on

(i) Ayanamsa - Does it mean using Lahiri Ayanamsa or

if ti is other method, is there any special calculation of

straight line Ayanamsa.? (ii) Bhava middle: Does it mean

Sripathi Paddhathi ( & not placitude) or any othe method?

Pl. oblige.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:39 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Mean Rahu and True Rahu: In the ancient days mean rahu was used. Mr.KSK also used mean Rahu. It is an average value. With the help of computers the exact path of the node is correctly calculated. Nowadays it is advisable to use True Rahu. Most of the westerners are using True Rahu. One KP expert in Chennai is using True Rahu and giving correct prediction. Our member TKP Gopal has attended his class. With reference to internet, the traditional astrologers in the international level are using true rahu. Having studied about Mean Rahu and True Rahu, I prefer to use true rahu both for tradition and KP. Mathematically True Rahu is correct.

Ayanamsa: Mr.KMS, Mr.Sagar, Late Mr.Mohan, C.G.Nair and other stalwarts in KP have used the straightline ayanamsa and claimed that they could give correct prediction. Even now, about 50% of the KP astrologers are using straightline ayanamsa which is closer to Lahari ayanamsa. I prefer to use Straightline ayanamsa. Thirukanitha panchangam have switched over to Lahari ayanamsam from C.G.Rajan ayanamsa.

KP Publishers: KP publishers are the booksellers. Even after 35 years, in spite of nine editions, the mistakes in KP Readers have not been corrected by the publishers. If that is the case, I do not agree that the KP publishers have conducted a research on Ayanamsa. As TinWin said there is no appreciable difference in the sub level except the borderline cases for KPNA, KP straightline and Lahari.

Bhava begin or bhava middle: I prefer to use bhava middle option. i.e. the house starts at midpoint of two cusps. I gave my justification already about 4 months back. According to me, it is mathematically correct.

SubSub lord: Some KP astrologers are complicating the prediction by using subsub and subsubsub lord. In my opinion, sublord level is enough.

Quiz charts: First the horoscope has to be rectified for known events by the astrologers. Initially we should analyse the charts of persons above 40 years. We should avoid the charts of children initially.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com>Re: Q.02@gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009, 10:29 AM

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan,

 

Thank you for the infomation about J.Hora. At the same time, I wonder why different method such as using straight line ayanamsa, True Rahu etc. by different astrologers. Can't it be uniform for all. KP Publishers in 2003 closed the controvery after adopting KPNA. There was no further contrary discussion after that. Can't all adopt uniform KPNA, which the SWs also show. Using different Ayanamsa may give at times different results. What is your advice Sir.

 

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

 

-

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Friday, January 16, 2009 11:57 PM

Re: Q.02

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ramani

Jagannatha Hora, KP ASTRO 3 and Astro wonder are using Swiss ephemeris.. So they will give same planetary and cuspal positions for a particular ayanamsa. Generally KPNA(2003) ayanamsa is used. Mean Rahu is used. Nothing is proved as 100% correct. Hence no one can compel the members to use particular ayanamsa or other options for their case studies. But members can give justification for using different parameters. For example, Mr.Sagar is using straightline ayanamsa and gave correct prediction. Some may use bhava middle system for their correct prediction. Some may use True rahu for their correct prediction. Some may use western aspect instead of vedic aspect for correct prediction. L.Y.Rao is using a particular method to rectify the birth time.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramani@ gmail.com> Q.02@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 1:35 AM

 

 

 

ear Moderator,

Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J..Hora for solution of Q.02. Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth data are

taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

 

Thanking you.

Astrologically yours,

 

K.S.V.Ramani

[Guest guest]

Respected members,

I am using Jagannatha Hora 7.02v, which has Kp options also. To test

whr the planetary postions etc are correctly displayed placed under

kp, I took up your Horary sample appeared in an article and inputted

the Horary No, Date, time, Latitude, Longitude etc exactly as given

in the article. I changed the ayanamsa to Kp. The cuspal sublords

positions were not same and looked altered. As the basic chart

postions is not the same, results are bound to go astray, unless a

thorough check is made visavis other softwares available.

Under Ayanamsa, there is a option which says " Deviation from Lahiri

Ayanamsa " , default is 0 deg 6 min 5.4 sec (less than Lahiri). Is

this setting needs to be changed? Also, In Planet Calculation

Options, two options are available Geocentric and topocentric

positions, " True postions and Apparent positions & " Mean nodes

always retrograde or True nodes " . Can any member enlighten me as what

are the right settings before I venture out to use Jhora for the kp

system.

 

To compare this with another SW, I searched for (2.0, 2.2, 2.5

2.7 etc) for a demo version, even that is not available. If any member

is having a demo version, would request them to kindly let me have a

copy of the same to look at the exclucivity of features the sw has

over Jhora. Alternatively, it can be uploaded on the Files section of

the forum for members to download.

Shweta M

 

 

 

, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani wrote:

>

> ear Moderator,

> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not

clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the

other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth

data are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as

he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is

only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I

may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

>

> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>

[Guest guest]

Respected members,

While on on the SW subject, I would like to add a few points..I am

using Jagannatha Hora 7.02v, which has Kp options also. To test whr

the planetary postions etc are correctly displayed placed under kp, I

took up your Horary sample appeared in an article and inputted the

Horary No, Date, time, Latitude, Longitude etc exactly as given in the

article. I changed the ayanamsa to Kp. The cuspal sublords positions

were not same and looked altered. As the basic chart postions is not

the same, results are bound to go haywire, unless a thorough check

is made visavis other softwares available.

 

Under Ayanamsa, there is a option which says " Deviation from Lahiri

Ayanamsa " , default is 0 deg 6 min 5.4 sec (less than Lahiri). Is

this setting needs to be changed? Also,in Planet Calculation Options,

two options are available Geocentric and topocentric positions, " True

postions and Apparent positions & " Mean nodes always retrograde or

True nodes " . Can any member enlighten me as what are the right

settings before I venture out to use Jhora for kp system.

 

To compare this with another SW, I searched for (2.0, 2.2, 2.5

2.7 etc) for a demo version, even that is not available. If any member

is having a demo version, would request them to kindly let me have a

copy of the same to look at the exclusivity of features the sw has

over Jhora. Alternatively, it can be uploaded on the Files section of

the forum for interested members to download.

 

Shweta M

 

 

 

, " Ramani " <kadavasalramani wrote:

>

> ear Moderator,

> Dr.Lutherji has stated that he used J.Hora for solution of Q.02.

Many others have used either KP 3.0 SW or some other SW. It is not

clear why there should be so much difference betweem one SW and the

other. The quis master also does not mention from which SW the birth

data are

> taken or atleast Lagna and Moon Rasi with Ayanamsa.

> In the absence of uniformity, all the hard labour of the

> participants goes in vain. Moderator may kindly fix which SW one

should use. I am absolutely no t against Dr.Lutherji using J.Hora, as

he richly deserves the honour being a person from medical field. It is

only for the information of the participants to attempt future Qs. I

may kindly be excused, if I have crossed any limit of code.

>

> Thanking you.

> Astrologically yours,

>

> K.S.V.Ramani

>