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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Dr Luther,

I am sharing my observation on prashna.

First thing You have not done any thing wrong.

Many time It happens in practice that chart is wrong but prediction is correct.

When astrologer does prasna kriya , He is like Ganesh sitting at doorto god .If astrologer is sincere and meditative ,truth is reflected by his conclusions and prediction are right.

One can have many experiences like this.

This is suppoted by scripture.Prasna mark had it in one stanza.

Of course for some it may sound unbeliabale.

I recongratulate you now for that You are recognised astrologer by cosmic forces.

with regards

{ sorry for non Kp mail}

OM TATSATRCSrivastava------------------------Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]-----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

-

Luther Rath

Friday, January 16, 2009 1:09 PM

Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and concrete prof.

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

My due regards to all of you.

I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in regards ,”Test our Expertise No. 2” was a wrong one. I do confess that it was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and was not in my awareness.

I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth. I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the ‘Basics” page and checked the ‘Key Info’ and ‘Houses’. Quite astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to my dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Corrected it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. I checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross differences. I was really broken down.

Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how it happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite some time back. It is as follows. It’s quite long but I cannot cut it short though I wish to do so.

Reader VI. Page No.14.

“Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for the prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person could have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the lucky querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear; calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, that the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that it is the Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to predict.---------“.

I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the concrete proof of the power of Devinity.

It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what ever I did , I did without my

awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated.

How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence.

Any one may judge it according to his own conscience.

With due regards to all.

Dr. Luther Rath

16th January. 2009.

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PMRe: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

Respected Dr Luther,Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and nodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked on cancer lagna.I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptly conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI for cure by surgery.The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in the constellation of Mars lord of VI.Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs as taken by you, e.g:Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.Jupiter is not in aquarius.Moon is not in piscesI guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. You may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience to you.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Dr.Luther jee,

 

I can understand your feelings, many times the divine forces lead us

to where we never expect that.Many times we mix two charts with each

other,it is human error.Your interpretation was first at the forum

many members learning by your interpretation as per KP systems and

follow the same.

 

I also follow yours details analysis to learn,if you explore yours

conclusion it worth for new learner and I try to learn Kp system by

this way.Many members also following you in the same manner to learn.

 

I believe in your statement,please don't be so regret about it.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

 

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

> My due regards to all of you.

> I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in regards

, " Test our Expertise No. 2 " was a wrong one. I do confess that it was

and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and was not

in my awareness.

> I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

> Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the

birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of

birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth.

I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the

`Basics " page and checked the `Key Info' and `Houses'. Quite

astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart

presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to my

dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Corrected

it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. I

checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross

differences. I was really broken down.

> Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how it

happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite some

time back. It is as follows. It's quite long but I cannot cut it short

though I wish to do so.

> Reader VI. Page No.14.

> " Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at

random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for the

prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the

prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number

given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person could

have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned

another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any

other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the lucky

querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear;

calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, that

the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer

whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such

clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that it

is the Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to

> predict.--------- " .

> I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I

take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the

concrete proof of the power of Devinity.

> It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what

ever I did , I did without my

> awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated.

> How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence.

> Any one may judge it according to his own conscience.

> With due regards to all.

> Dr. Luther Rath

> 16th January. 2009.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

>

> Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PM

> Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

>

>

> Respected Dr Luther,

>

> Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and nodes

at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked on cancer lagna.

>

> I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if

you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.

>

> TheAscendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is

afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The

Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka

sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is

in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptly

conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI

for cure by surgery.

> The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII.Jupiter is again in the

constellation of Mars lord of VI.

>

> Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs as

taken by you, e.g:

>

> Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini

> Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.

> Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.

> Jupiter is not in aquarius.

> Moon is not in pisces

>

> I guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. You

may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience to

you.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

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Dear Friends,

 

Such kind of simple human error can happen to anyone anytime. It's

understandable.

But is this KP to predict on the basis of whatever chart one has got?

If so, why some are saying the BTR, BTR?

Is this KP to predict the outright negative result on the basis of no

more ink in the ball point to write on?

If so, where is the scientific way and the need of accuracy of the

chart in KP?

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " swami " <swami wrote:

>

>

> || Om Gurave Namah ||

> Hare Ram Krishna

> Dear Dr Luther,

> I am sharing my observation on prashna.

> First thing You have not done any thing wrong.

> Many time It happens in practice that chart is wrong but prediction

is correct.

> When astrologer does prasna kriya , He is like Ganesh sitting at

doorto god .If astrologer is sincere and meditative ,truth is

reflected by his conclusions and prediction are right.

> One can have many experiences like this.

> This is suppoted by scripture.Prasna mark had it in one stanza.

> Of course for some it may sound unbeliabale.

> I recongratulate you now for that You are recognised astrologer by

cosmic forces.

> with regards

> { sorry for non Kp mail}

>

> OM TATSAT

> RCSrivastava

> ------------------------

> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> -----------------------

> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

who has

> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> --

>

> -

> Luther Rath

>

> Friday, January 16, 2009 1:09 PM

> Controversy, concern, confession, cognition,

confirmation and concrete prof.

>

>

>

> Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

>

> My due regards to all of you.

>

> I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in

regards , " Test our Expertise No. 2 " was a wrong one. I do confess that

it was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and

was not in my awareness.

>

> I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

>

> Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the

birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of

birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth.

I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the

`Basics " page and checked the `Key Info' and `Houses'. Quite

astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart

presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to my

dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Corrected

it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. I

checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross

differences. I was really broken down.

>

> Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how

it happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite

some time back. It is as follows. It's quite long but I cannot cut it

short though I wish to do so.

>

> Reader VI. Page No.14.

>

> " Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at

random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for the

prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the

prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number

given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person could

have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned

another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any

other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the lucky

querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear;

calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, that

the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer

whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such

clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that it

is the Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to

predict.--------- " .

>

> I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I

take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the

concrete proof of the power of Devinity.

>

> It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what

ever I did , I did without my

>

> awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated.

>

> How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence.

>

> Any one may judge it according to his own conscience.

>

> With due regards to all.

>

> Dr. Luther Rath

>

> 16th January. 2009.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

>

> Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PM

> Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

>

>

> Respected Dr Luther,

>

> Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and

nodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked on

cancer lagna.

>

> I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if

you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.

>

> The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is

afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The

Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka

sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is

in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptly

conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI

for cure by surgery.

> The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in the

constellation of Mars lord of VI.

>

> Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs

as taken by you, e.g:

>

> Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini

> Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.

> Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.

> Jupiter is not in aquarius.

> Moon is not in pisces

>

> I guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. You

may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience to

you.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

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Dear Swamiji,

Please accept My Sadar Pranam.

Your words have given emmence moral strength which I was losing fast following the unfortunate event. most cannot accept my explanation. It is obvious. I do not comment a bit for that. The cosmic force has definitely acted on me. This experience is rarest of rare instances. It does not mean that I shall be getting that un-seen guidance every time. I have no other way than to believe the influence of cosmic power.

Thank you for your so much encouraging message.

Thanking you again.

Dr. Luther Rath

 

 

 

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:30:15 PM Re: Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and concrete prof.

 

Dear Friends,Such kind of simple human error can happen to anyone anytime. It'sunderstandable.But is this KP to predict on the basis of whatever chart one has got?If so, why some are saying the BTR, BTR?Is this KP to predict the outright negative result on the basis of nomore ink in the ball point to write on? If so, where is the scientific way and the need of accuracy of thechart in KP?Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> Dear Dr Luther,> I am sharing my observation on prashna.> First thing You have not done any thing wrong.> Many time It happens in practice that chart is wrong but predictionis correct.> When

astrologer does prasna kriya , He is like Ganesh sitting atdoorto god .If astrologer is sincere and meditative ,truth isreflected by his conclusions and prediction are right.> One can have many experiences like this.> This is suppoted by scripture.Prasna mark had it in one stanza.> Of course for some it may sound unbeliabale.> I recongratulate you now for that You are recognised astrologer bycosmic forces.> with regards> { sorry for non Kp mail}> > OM TATSAT> RCSrivastava> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Beingwho has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- -> > - > Luther Rath > @gro ups.com > Friday, January 16, 2009 1:09 PM> Controversy, concern, confession, cognition,confirmation and concrete prof.> > > > Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,> > My due regards to all of you.> > I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented inregards ,"Test our Expertise No. 2" was a wrong one. I do confess thatit was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional andwas not in my awareness.> > I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.> > Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered

thebirth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date ofbirth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth.I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the`Basics" page and checked the `Key Info' and `Houses'. Quiteastonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chartpresented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to mydismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Correctedit to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. Ichecked another SW and then only I could find out the grossdifferences. I was really broken down.> > Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised howit happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quitesome time back. It is as follows. It's quite long but I cannot cut itshort though I wish to do so.> > Reader VI. Page

No.14.> > "Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, atrandom, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for theprediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that theprediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the numbergiven is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person couldhave given any other number of thought of one number and mentionedanother. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give anyother number except the one which he had given occasionally, the luckyquerist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear;calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, thatthe number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answerwhereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer suchclear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that itis the Devine

force which works and enables the astrologer topredict.---- -----".> > I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, Itake cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on theconcrete proof of the power of Devinity.> > It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate whatever I did , I did without my > > awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated.> > How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence.> > Any one may judge it according to his own conscience.> > With due regards to all.> > Dr. Luther Rath> > 16th January. 2009.> > > > > > >------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PM> Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > Respected Dr Luther,> > Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna andnodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked oncancer lagna.> > I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful ifyou can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.> > The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant isafflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. TheAscendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Marakasthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn isin the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptlyconjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI.

Mars is also lord of XIfor cure by surgery.> The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in theconstellation of Mars lord of VI.> > Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signsas taken by you, e.g:> > Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini > Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.> Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.> Jupiter is not in aquarius.> Moon is not in pisces> > I guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. Youmay kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience toyou.> > Regards> Neelam>

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Dear Luther sir',

Why all this , some where the great poet MR.Harivanshray Bachchan (father of AMITHAB) said That

 

"AGAR APKE MARJI KA HOOWA TO ACHCHA HUWA AGAR NAHI HOOWA TO AUR ACHCHA HOOWA KYUKI WO BHAGWAN KI MARJI KA HOOWA. '"

 

So donot confess it happen because god wants that to be happen.

 

your are our Senior, lot many things are there to learn from you to us(juniors)

Thanks & Regards,

Neeraj --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and concrete prof. Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

My due regards to all of you.

I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in regards ,”Test our Expertise No. 2” was a wrong one. I do confess that it was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and was not in my awareness..

I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth. I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the ‘Basics” page and checked the ‘Key Info’ and ‘Houses’. Quite astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to my dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Corrected it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. I checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross differences. I was really broken down.

Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how it happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite some time back. It is as follows. It’s quite long but I cannot cut it short though I wish to do so.

Reader VI. Page No.14.

“Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for the prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person could have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the lucky querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear; calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, that the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that it is the

Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to predict.---- -----“.

I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the concrete proof of the power of Devinity.

It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what ever I did , I did without my

awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated.

How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence.

Any one may judge it according to his own conscience.

With due regards to all.

Dr.. Luther Rath

16th January. 2009.

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PMRe: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

Respected Dr Luther,Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and nodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked on cancer lagna.I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptly conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI for cure by surgery.The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in the constellation of Mars lord of VI.Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs as taken by you, e.g:Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.Jupiter is not in aquarius.Moon is not in piscesI guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. You may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience to you.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Friends,

 

Firstly, we understand and accept that it's just a mistake which can

be made by anyone anytime.

 

Secondly, it's not an issue to be discussed, if it's said in our

common language that " sorry, one've made a mistake " in calculation of

the chart. That's all.

 

Thirdly, the unnecessary discussion has took place to clear the air

polluted by the confusion as if the devine force is involved in

giving a wrong chart for correct prediction or SWs are giving

different results.

 

Finally, we better stop here and move ahead in our learning of KP in

scienticfic way not fortune telling way.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Swamiji,

> Please accept My Sadar Pranam.

> Your words have given emmence moral strength which I was losing

fast following the unfortunate event. most cannot accept my

explanation. It is obvious. I do not comment a bit for that. The

cosmic force has definitely acted on me. This experience is rarest of

rare instances. It does not mean that I shall be getting that un-seen

guidance every time. I have no other way than to believe the

influence of cosmic power.

> Thank you for your so much encouraging message.

> Thanking you again.

> Dr. Luther Rath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Friday, January 16, 2009 8:30:15 PM

> Re: Controversy, concern, confession,

cognition, confirmation and concrete prof.

>

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> Such kind of simple human error can happen to anyone anytime. It's

> understandable.

> But is this KP to predict on the basis of whatever chart one has

got?

> If so, why some are saying the BTR, BTR?

> Is this KP to predict the outright negative result on the basis of

no

> more ink in the ball point to write on?

> If so, where is the scientific way and the need of accuracy of the

> chart in KP?

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " swami " <swami@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > || Om Gurave Namah ||

> > Hare Ram Krishna

> > Dear Dr Luther,

> > I am sharing my observation on prashna.

> > First thing You have not done any thing wrong.

> > Many time It happens in practice that chart is wrong but

prediction

> is correct.

> > When astrologer does prasna kriya , He is like Ganesh sitting at

> doorto god .If astrologer is sincere and meditative ,truth is

> reflected by his conclusions and prediction are right.

> > One can have many experiences like this.

> > This is suppoted by scripture.Prasna mark had it in one stanza.

> > Of course for some it may sound unbeliabale.

> > I recongratulate you now for that You are recognised astrologer by

> cosmic forces.

> > with regards

> > { sorry for non Kp mail}

> >

> > OM TATSAT

> > RCSrivastava

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> > Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------

> > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being

> who has

> > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> > -

> > Luther Rath

> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, January 16, 2009 1:09 PM

> > Controversy, concern, confession, cognition,

> confirmation and concrete prof.

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

> >

> > My due regards to all of you.

> >

> > I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in

> regards , " Test our Expertise No. 2 " was a wrong one. I do confess

that

> it was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and

> was not in my awareness.

> >

> > I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

> >

> > Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the

> birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of

> birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of

birth.

> I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the

> `Basics " page and checked the `Key Info' and `Houses'. Quite

> astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart

> presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to

my

> dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009.

Corrected

> it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the

same. I

> checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross

> differences. I was really broken down.

> >

> > Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how

> it happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite

> some time back. It is as follows. It's quite long but I cannot cut

it

> short though I wish to do so.

> >

> > Reader VI. Page No.14.

> >

> > " Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at

> random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for

the

> prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the

> prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number

> given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person

could

> have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned

> another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any

> other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the

lucky

> querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear;

> calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works,

that

> the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer

> whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such

> clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that

it

> is the Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to

> predict.---- ----- " .

> >

> > I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I

> take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the

> concrete proof of the power of Devinity.

> >

> > It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what

> ever I did , I did without my

> >

> > awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated.

> >

> > How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence.

> >

> > Any one may judge it according to his own conscience.

> >

> > With due regards to all.

> >

> > Dr. Luther Rath

> >

> > 16th January. 2009.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PM

> > Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

> >

> >

> > Respected Dr Luther,

> >

> > Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and

> nodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha.. Everyone else has also worked on

> cancer lagna.

> >

> > I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if

> you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.

> >

> > The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is

> afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The

> Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka

> sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is

> in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is

raptly

> conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI

> for cure by surgery.

> > The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in the

> constellation of Mars lord of VI.

> >

> > Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs

> as taken by you, e.g:

> >

> > Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini

> > Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.

> > Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.

> > Jupiter is not in aquarius.

> > Moon is not in pisces

> >

> > I guess you've made the chart for 24.12..2009 instead of 2008. You

> may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience

to

> you.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

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Dear Luther

I have J.Hora version 7.02. In J.Hora for the date 24-12-2009, the ayanamsa is 23.54.22, lagna is 24.48.05 and for 24-12-2008, the ayanamsa is 23.53.29, lagna at 25.2.53. Nothing wrong with the software.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and concrete prof. Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

My due regards to all of you.

I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in regards ,”Test our Expertise No. 2” was a wrong one. I do confess that it was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and was not in my awareness..

I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth. I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the ‘Basics” page and checked the ‘Key Info’ and ‘Houses’. Quite astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to my dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Corrected it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. I checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross differences. I was really broken down.

Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how it happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite some time back. It is as follows. It’s quite long but I cannot cut it short though I wish to do so.

Reader VI. Page No.14.

“Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for the prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person could have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the lucky querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear; calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, that the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that it is the

Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to predict.---- -----“.

I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the concrete proof of the power of Devinity.

It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what ever I did , I did without my

awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated.

How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence.

Any one may judge it according to his own conscience.

With due regards to all.

Dr.. Luther Rath

16th January. 2009.

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PMRe: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

Respected Dr Luther,Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and nodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked on cancer lagna.I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptly conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI for cure by surgery.The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in the constellation of Mars lord of VI.Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs as taken by you, e.g:Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.Jupiter is not in aquarius.Moon is not in piscesI guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. You may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience to you.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Neerajji,

Thank you for the great solace. I am really very much shocked as very unusual thing has happened with out my knowledge. Had the prediction being wrong than I would not have bothered so much. I am sportive in that respect. The concept of God's grace or His guidance is not accepted by many. So the understanding may be on the negative side. That's what brings me low. Any how I shall requip soon through good wishes and confidence on me , laid on me by people like you.

Thank you again.

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath.17th Jan. 2009

 

 

 

Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj Cc: rathlutherSent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:00:03 PMRe: Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and concrete prof.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther sir',

Why all this , some where the great poet MR.Harivanshray Bachchan (father of AMITHAB) said That

 

"AGAR APKE MARJI KA HOOWA TO ACHCHA HUWA AGAR NAHI HOOWA TO AUR ACHCHA HOOWA KYUKI WO BHAGWAN KI MARJI KA HOOWA. '"

 

So donot confess it happen because god wants that to be happen.

 

your are our Senior, lot many things are there to learn from you to us(juniors)

Thanks & Regards,

Neeraj --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther > Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and concrete prof.@gro ups.comFriday, January 16, 2009, 7:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

My due regards to all of you.

I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in regards ,”Test our Expertise No. 2” was a wrong one. I do confess that it was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and was not in my awareness..

I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth. I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the ‘Basics” page and checked the ‘Key Info’ and ‘Houses’. Quite astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to my dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Corrected it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. I checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross differences. I was really broken down.

Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how it happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite some time back. It is as follows. It’s quite long but I cannot cut it short though I wish to do so. Reader VI. Page No.14. “Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for the prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person could have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the lucky querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear; calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, that the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that it is the

Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to predict.---- -----“. I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the concrete proof of the power of Devinity. It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what ever I did , I did without my

awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated. How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence. Any one may judge it according to his own conscience. With due regards to all. Dr.. Luther Rath 16th January. 2009.

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PMRe: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

Respected Dr Luther,Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and nodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked on cancer lagna.I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptly conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI for cure by surgery.The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in the constellation of Mars lord of VI.Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs as taken by you, e.g:Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.Jupiter is not in aquarius.Moon is not in piscesI guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. You may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience to you.RegardsNeelam

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

Namaskar,

On makar sankranti, latest version 7.3 of J hora is made available, by Author.The URL for download is

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/jh

Perhaps some may be interested to use offline free Software with Swiss ephemeris For KP with KP ayanamsa.

with best wishes

OM TATSATRCSrivastava------------------------Swami_ Astrologer [Teaching & Consultations]http://www.cosmograce.com.

-----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

-

Dhanabalan R

Saturday, January 17, 2009 12:58 AM

Re: Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and concrete prof.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Luther

I have J.Hora version 7.02. In J.Hora for the date 24-12-2009, the ayanamsa is 23.54.22, lagna is 24.48.05 and for 24-12-2008, the ayanamsa is 23.53.29, lagna at 25.2.53. Nothing wrong with the software.

 

Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 1/16/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote:

Luther Rath <rathluther > Controversy, concern, confession, cognition, confirmation and concrete prof. Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 7:39 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

My due regards to all of you.

I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in regards ,”Test our Expertise No. 2” was a wrong one. I do confess that it was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and was not in my awareness..

I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth. I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the ‘Basics” page and checked the ‘Key Info’ and ‘Houses’. Quite astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to my dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Corrected it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. I checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross differences. I was really broken down.

Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how it happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite some time back. It is as follows. It’s quite long but I cannot cut it short though I wish to do so. Reader VI. Page No.14. “Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for the prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person could have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the lucky querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear; calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, that the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal experience that it is the Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to predict.---- -----“. I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the concrete proof of the power of Devinity. It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what ever I did , I did without my

awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated. How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence. Any one may judge it according to his own conscience. With due regards to all. Dr.. Luther Rath 16th January. 2009.

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>@gro ups.comThursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PMRe: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

Respected Dr Luther,Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and nodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked on cancer lagna.I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptly conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI for cure by surgery.The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in the constellation of Mars lord of VI.Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs as taken by you, e.g:Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.Jupiter is not in aquarius.Moon is not in piscesI guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. You may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience to you.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Dr.Luther Rath,please don't be so regret about it.I feel great about your honesty and your dignity!It is also a kind of Lesson for all from this Test!With RegardsAdith

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Gurus, Seniors, friends and dear Neelam Gupta,

My due regards to all of you.

I was extremely perplexed to know that my chart presented in regards ,"Test our Expertise No. 2" was a wrong one. I do confess that it was and I would like to ascertain that it was un-intentional and was not in my awareness.

I am not writing this to either defend myself or to fight back.

Soon after I knew the fact I opened Jagannath Hora and entered the birth data carefully to avoid another mistake. I checked the date of birth, time of birth and the longitude and latitude of place of birth. I also checked the ayanamsa and corrected it. Then I opened the 'Basics" page and checked the 'Key Info' and 'Houses'. Quite astonishingly I found the positions that were same as my chart presented to the group. I reverted to Birth Data entry page and to my dismay I found every entry remaining same the year was 2009. Corrected it to 2008 and rechecked the basics. The finding was again the same. I checked another SW and then only I could find out the gross differences. I was really broken down.

Since the prediction was correct I fumbled and was surprised how it happened. Then it came to my memory a paragraph that I read quite some time back. It is as follows. It's quite long but I cannot cut it short though I wish to do so.

Reader VI. Page No.14.

"Generally, the astrologer asks the querist to give a number, at random, with in 108. The number that is given forms the basis for the prediction. Some may scoff at this branch of science saying that the prediction given by horary Astrology cannot be correct as the number given is, after all. A chance. They may suggest that the person could have given any other number of thought of one number and mentioned another. Such people do not realize that the querist cannot give any other number except the one which he had given occasionally, the lucky querist may mention a number, but the astrologer may mishear; calculate on the misheard number. Here the Devine force so works, that the number taken by the astrologer gives a clear and correct answer whereas the other number mentioned by the querist cannot offer such clear clue to the astrologer. They have no personal

experience that it is the Devine force which works and enables the astrologer to predict.---------".

I am concerned about the controversy, I do confess the mishap, I take cognition of it, I confirm my prediction and focus on the concrete proof of the power of Devinity.

It is up to the individual to believe or not to. I reiterate what ever I did , I did without my

awareness. It could not in any case be back-calculated.

How ever I beg apology for the contradictory incidence.

Any one may judge it according to his own conscience.

With due regards to all.

Dr. Luther Rath

16th January. 2009.

 

 

 

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:33:22 PMRe: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

Respected Dr Luther,Please pardon my ignorance. I am not getting Gemini lagna and nodes at 28.08 by any ayanamsha. Everyone else has also worked on cancer lagna.I am pasting here a part of your analysis. I shall be grateful if you can recheck the data taken to cast the chart.

The Ascendant is conjoined with Kethu a node. So Ascendant is afflicted. The Ascendant lord is afflicted by Rahu in VI. The Ascendant sub-lord is Saturn significator of II one of the Maraka sthanas. Saturn aspects cusp VI being lord of VIII and IX. Saturn is in the constellation of Moon that is lord of II. The II cusp is raptly conjoined with Mars (Retro) the lord of VI. Mars is also lord of XI for cure by surgery.

The VII (Badhaka) lord Jupiter is in VIII. Jupiter is again in the constellation of Mars lord of VI.

Even going by gross placements, the planets are not in the signs as taken by you, e.g:Nodes are not at 28.08 in Gemini Mars is in sagitarius and not cancer.Saturn is in Leo not Virgo.Jupiter is not in aquarius.

Moon is not in piscesI guess you've made the chart for 24.12.2009 instead of 2008. You may kindly confirm please. I am sorry for causing any inconvenience to you.

RegardsNeelam

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