No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

January 29, 2009

Dear Bhaskar

Everyone is claiming that the system which they are following is giving 90% correct prediction. But they are not proving in this forum. Under these circumstances, we have to find out the truth by analysing many charts with various methods and concepts.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:20 PM

Dear Sirs,After Shri KrishnaMurthyji left us, there have been many variations,additions, substractions in the techniques and emergence of also newtechnique like 4 step, which of course all bear the essence of KP.I agree that all of the astrologers you mentioned must be giving theright predictions with whatever techniques they may be following whichmay not necessarily be common amongst them in full.It is actually like this. A good barber can make a man look better evenwith a blunt scissors .I also know many astrologers who can predict well without even use ofsublord and just with use of starlord, while on the other hand I alsoknow few who can predict superb by looking just at a Khokha Kundli ( Noteven a Cuspal chart but just the Natal Chart). And few others who lookat the Navamsha chart and have memorised the transits and can predictmahnificently with this

knowledge.So all I can say Dear Dhanbalanji, whatever technique one may use, if heis able to deliver the results, then its fine. We cannot judge thatanyone is right or wrong with whatever technique one is using.best wishes,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> You are referring Krishmans Astrology for beginners. It is like oldwine in new bottle. These books generally reflects what is already saidin KP six Readers. In KP Readers, the cuspal signlord and cuspalstarlord are not considered for cuspal signification. In KP originalvolume 1965, the cuspal signlord and cuspal starlord are considerd forcuspal signification. Dr.KAR has considered the cuspal signlord andcuspal starlord for cuspal signification. Cuspal interlink

theoryconsiders cuspal starlord for cuspal signification. Mr.TKP Gopal, ourmember told me that at Chennai, one KP stalwart is giving correctprediction with sublord level. He has not taken the starlord forsublord. I met one KP astrologer in Coimbatore. He told me that he isable to give correct prediction with sublord. He also has not takenstarlord for sublord.> Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/27/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 10:24 AM>>>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalanji,> That is a smart argument by you, which is appreciated.> Strictly speaking -> Krishmans

Astrology for beginners -Volume 5 , page 855> ......hence for each query the relevant house cusp sublord is to beexamined first before fixing the period of the favourable significatorfor the event to happen. So it is crystal clear in KP that if therelevant cuspal subLord does not promise a matter through itsconstellation and sublord, that matter does not come to pass at all........."> regards,> Bhaskar.>>>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > I accept your principle> > "How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its> > starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and jump> > over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets> > results what it would give.> >> > Here you mean to

say, that if we have to check what Saturn has togive> > for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore> > Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore SaturnsSubLord> > its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord ofSaturn> > is into ???> >> > And what happened to the other houses and significations of theprevious> > levels ? What do they show or reveal ?"> >> > My doubt:> > Why can't you apply the same principle for the cusp also..> > How can we ignore and leap over a cuspal signlord significations,cuspal> > starLords significations, and cuspal sublords significations , andjump> > over to the starLord of the cuspal sublord to check the houseresults what it would give.> >> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Mon, 1/26/09,

Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, January 26, 2009, 4:23 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Sujataji,> >> > I do not know what KP is being followed over here.> >> > Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot saythat> > the planet in question must give a good career, unless the Planets> > Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of 6,8,10> > must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of 8,2and> > 4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career. So i donot> > understand how can you expect good career

results by just looking atthe> > subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, whichhere> > is Saturn.> >> > Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub ofMoon in> > 10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?> >> > How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its> > starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and jump> > over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets> > results what it would give.> >> > Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has togive> > for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore> > Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore SaturnsSubLord> > its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord ofSaturn> >

is into ???> >> > And what happened to the other houses and significations of theprevious> > levels ? What do they show or reveal ?> >> > This is preposterous for me.> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhasker> > > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o10> > 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellentresults> > vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in5,l/o> > 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sobof> > moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> > > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> > > Regards> > > sujata> > >> >

> --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.> > > Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would berevealed by> > its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totallywith> > their signifying houses). Period.> > > Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet> > > Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will

be coming in> > pictureÂ if we take the starLordÂ of the SubLord of thePlanets,> > and also, as many houses.Â If so many planets and so many houses> > come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel.It> > would become just a khichdi.> > > 1) If You think otherwise, then Â kindlyÂ Â give your> > justification please.> > > 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be> > checked for results, kindly give your justification please.> > > Â 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checkingresults> > for any planet ? Why must we move further ?> > > 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal> > SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptilwhat> > level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?> >

> regards/Bhaskar.> > > Â> > > Â> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord forsublord> > of planets.> > > > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal> > sublord.> > > > Â> > > > Dhanabalan> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP ReferenceBooks> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM>

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > >> > > > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification whichif> > > > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > > >> > > > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > > >> > > > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not> > accept> > > > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > > >> > > > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what wehave> > in> > > > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit wherethe> > > > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All

we do inKP> > is> > > > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic issame> > here.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Baskar> > > > > Subsublord:> > > > > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and> > subsubsublord.> > > > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. Fortwin> > > > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time,> > there> > > > may not be any change in first cuspal

sublord. Twins need not beof> > same> > > > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > > > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum..For> > the> > > > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two> > days> > > > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of> > planets> > > > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry onthe> > same> > > > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is adrawback> > in> > > > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink> > method.> > > > I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction inCuspal> > > > Interlink method.> > > > >>

> > > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > > > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gavecorrect> > > > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He hastaken> > the> > > > cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as> > significators. He> > > > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for> > significator.> > > > He has not deviated much from tradition.> > > > >> > > > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing ofevents.> > The> > > > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The> > planets> > > > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue,

1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP ReferenceBooks> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > >> > > > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particularcase> > was> > > > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> > > > >> > > > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it doesnot>

> make> > > > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a> > eyewash.> > > > >> > > > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> > > > >> > > > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps atCuspal> > > > sublord> > > > > level, but not at planetary levels.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R<r.dhanabalan@> > ....>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub> > level.> >

> > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of theKP> > > > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i..e. they have used> > subsublord> > > > and> > > > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt.Mr.KSK> > used> > > > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. Hedid> > not> > > > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence inKP,> > > > > generally subsublord is not applied.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > >

Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference> > Books> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> > > > > > deal whether..... .. "> > > > > >> > > > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > Further> > > > > >

Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt arethe> > best> > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > > > > >> > > > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find thathe> > has> > > > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani"Page> > 42.> > > > The> > > > > whole page is devoted to the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis bookfor> > just> > > > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong> > assessment> > > > > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > > > > >> > > > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he

devotesone> > > > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > Further> > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt arethe> > best> > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant

deviation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I> > includes> > > > > the> > > > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1) Badhaka> > > > > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > > > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > > > > 5) House for father> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish> > Rahasya,> > > > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> > > > Marathi),> > > > > it>

> > > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line withKP,is> > > > > included.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results> > indicated> > > > by> > > > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub thenit> > gives> > > > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by> > Jyotindra> > > > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the> > sub-lord> > > > of> > > > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step> > theory.> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in linewith KP> > can> > > > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KPlearning> > cannot> > > > > be> > > > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study ofthe> > KP> > > > six> > > > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in theevolving> > > > > stages> > > > > > > of on-going research.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tw> > > > > > >> > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> > > > Shahasane> > > >

> > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from myvery> > > > > reliable> > > > > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > > > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

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February 2, 2009

Dear BhaskerI had got into the IAS during jup Merc ra period. Jup is in its own star in 8,l/o2 4. and in moon sub in 10 Mer is in sun star in 5, l/o 9. Mer in 6 in own sub, l/o 8 10.Ra in ke star in7.and own sub in 1 ( DOB 5-5-55, POB DELHI, TOB 9-37 PM, AS RECTIFIED BY dR kAR AND K. GANPATHY). So the subs do give their effects.RegardsSujata--- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 9:53 PM

Dear Sujataji,

I do not know what KP is being followed over here.

Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot say that

the planet in question must give a good career, unless the Planets

Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of 6,8,10

must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of 8,2 and

4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career. So i do not

understand how can you expect good career results by just looking at the

subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, which here

is Saturn.

Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub of Moon in

10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?

How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its

starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and jump

over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets

results what it would give.

Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has to give

for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore

Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore Saturns SubLord

its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord of Saturn

is into ???

And what happened to the other houses and significations of the previous

levels ? What do they show or reveal ?

This is preposterous for me.

regards/Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Bhasker

> My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10

8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results

vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o

9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of

moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.

> So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor

> Regards

> sujata

>

> --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

> @gro ups.com

> Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM

>

Dear Dhanabalanji,

> Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.

> Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by

its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with

their signifying houses). Period.

> Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet

> Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in

pictureÃ‚ if we take the starLordÃ‚ of the SubLord of the Planets,

and also, as many houses.Ã‚ If so many planets and so many houses

come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It

would become just a khichdi.

> 1) If You think otherwise, then Ã‚ kindlyÃ‚ Ã‚ give your

justification please.

> 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be

checked for results, kindly give your justification please.

> Ã‚ 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results

for any planet ? Why must we move further ?

> 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal

SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what

level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?

> regards/Bhaskar.

> Ã‚

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar

> > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord

of planets.

> > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal

sublord.

> > Ã‚

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalanji,

> >

> > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if

> > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.

> >

> > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.

> >

> > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not

accept

> > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.

> >

> > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have

in

> > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the

> > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP

is

> > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same

here.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Baskar

> > > Subsublord:

> > > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and

subsubsublord.

> > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin

> > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time,

there

> > may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of

same

> > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.

> > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For

the

> > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two

days

> > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of

planets

> > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the

same

> > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback

in

> > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink

method.

> > I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal

> > Interlink method.

> > >

> > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:

> > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct

> > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken

the

> > cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as

significators. He

> > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for

significator.

> > He has not deviated much from tradition.

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events.

The

> > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The

planets

> > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case

was

> > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.

> > >

> > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not

make

> > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a

eyewash.

> > >

> > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.

> > >

> > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal

> > sublord

> > > level, but not at planetary levels.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

.....>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar

> > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub

level.

> > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP

> > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used

subsublord

> > and

> > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK

used

> > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did

not

> > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,

> > > generally subsublord is not applied.

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference

Books

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

> > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

> > > > deal whether..... .. "

> > > >

> > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

> > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani &

Further

> > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the

best

> > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."

> > > >

> > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he

has

> > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page

42.

> > The

> > > whole page is devoted to the same.

> > > >

> > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for

just

> > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong

assessment

> > > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

> > > >

> > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one

> > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?

> > > >

> > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani &

Further

> > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the

best

> > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I

includes

> > > the

> > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Badhaka

> > > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu

> > > > > 3) Retrogression

> > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation

> > > > > 5) House for father

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish

Rahasya,

> > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in

> > Marathi),

> > > it

> > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is

> > > included.

> > > > >

> > > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results

indicated

> > by

> > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it

gives

> > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by

Jyotindra

> > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the

sub-lord

> > of

> > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step

theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP

can

> > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning

cannot

> > > be

> > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the

KP

> > six

> > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving

> > > stages

> > > > > of on-going research.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh

> > Shahasane

> > > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very

> > > reliable

> > > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:

> > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...

> > > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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February 2, 2009

Dear Sujataji,

This is what you wrote originally.

// Dear Bhasker> My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 108 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent resultsvis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob ofmoon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> Regards> sujata //

I have just received your Birth details now in your latest message.

When you say Saturn is in sub of Mercury signifying, 6 and 10, but did not give you excellent professional results, you are giving incomplete information, which is also known as fixing astrology. You have forgotten to add the house 8, in the sub which too Mercury signifies. I need not tell you what happens when the 8th house joins with any other house, in this case to the houses denoting profession.

When you say that You received good results in the case of Jupiter period , then note this clearly that Moon represents only the 10th Cusp purely, without attachment to the 8th.

Why cannot we take the above as truth ? Why must we believe that the stars in which these subs were placed are responsible for what you experienced.

You may please carry on with your belief and go ahead in your observations, while I choose and prefer to stay put till the Sub level for the Dasha Lords. I may change my views in future, when I find evidences in other charts showing otherwise, but as of now, this is it.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:>> Dear Bhasker> I had got into the IAS during jup Merc ra period. Jup is in its own star in 8,l/o2 4. and in moon sub in 10 Mer is in sun star in 5, l/o 9. Mer in 6 in own sub, l/o 8 10.Ra in ke star in7.and own sub in 1 ( DOB 5-5-55, POB DELHI, TOB 9-37 PM, AS RECTIFIED BY dR kAR AND K. GANPATHY). So the subs do give their effects.> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > Monday, 26 January, 2009, 9:53 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji,> > > > I do not know what KP is being followed over here.> > > > Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot say that> > the planet in question must give a good career, unless the Planets> > Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of 6,8,10> > must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of 8,2 and> > 4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career. So i do not> > understand how can you expect good career results by just looking at the> > subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, which here> > is Saturn.> > > > Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub of Moon in> > 10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?> > > > How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its> > starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and jump> > over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets> > results what it would give.> > > > Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has to give> > for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore> > Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore Saturns SubLord> > its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord of Saturn> > is into ???> > > > And what happened to the other houses and significations of the previous> > levels ? What do they show or reveal ?> > > > This is preposterous for me.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhasker> > > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10> > 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results> > vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o> > 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of> > moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> > > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> > > Regards> > > sujata> > >> > > --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.> > > Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by> > its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with> > their signifying houses). Period.> > > Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet> > > Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in> > pictureÃ‚ if we take the starLordÃ‚ of the SubLord of the Planets,> > and also, as many houses.Ã‚ If so many planets and so many houses> > come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It> > would become just a khichdi.> > > 1) If You think otherwise, then Ã‚ kindlyÃ‚ Ã‚ give your> > justification please.> > > 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be> > checked for results, kindly give your justification please.> > > Ã‚ 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results> > for any planet ? Why must we move further ?> > > 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal> > SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what> > level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > Ã‚> > > Ã‚> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord> > of planets.> > > > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal> > sublord.> > > > Ã‚> > > > Dhanabalan> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > >> > > > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if> > > > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > > >> > > > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > > >> > > > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not> > accept> > > > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > > >> > > > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have> > in> > > > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the> > > > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP> > is> > > > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same> > here.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Baskar> > > > > Subsublord:> > > > > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and> > subsubsublord.> > > > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> > > > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time,> > there> > > > may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of> > same> > > > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > > > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For> > the> > > > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two> > days> > > > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of> > planets> > > > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the> > same> > > > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback> > in> > > > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink> > method.> > > > I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal> > > > Interlink method.> > > > >> > > > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > > > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct> > > > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken> > the> > > > cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as> > significators. He> > > > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for> > significator.> > > > He has not deviated much from tradition.> > > > >> > > > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events.> > The> > > > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The> > planets> > > > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > >> > > > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case> > was> > > > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> > > > >> > > > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not> > make> > > > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a> > eyewash.> > > > >> > > > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> > > > >> > > > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> > > > sublord> > > > > level, but not at planetary levels.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > ....>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub> > level.> > > > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > > > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used> > subsublord> > > > and> > > > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK> > used> > > > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did> > not> > > > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > > > > generally subsublord is not applied.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference> > Books> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> > > > > > deal whether..... .. "> > > > > >> > > > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > Further> > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > best> > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > > > > >> > > > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he> > has> > > > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page> > 42.> > > > The> > > > > whole page is devoted to the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for> > just> > > > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong> > assessment> > > > > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > > > > >> > > > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > > > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > Further> > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > best> > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I> > includes> > > > > the> > > > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1) Badhaka> > > > > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > > > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > > > > 5) House for father> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish> > Rahasya,> > > > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> > > > Marathi),> > > > > it> > > > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > > > > included.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results> > indicated> > > > by> > > > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it> > gives> > > > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by> > Jyotindra> > > > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the> > sub-lord> > > > of> > > > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step> > theory.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP> > can> > > > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning> > cannot> > > > > be> > > > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the> > KP> > > > six> > > > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > > > > stages> > > > > > > of on-going research.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tw> > > > > > >> > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> > > > Shahasane> > > > > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> > > > > reliable> > > > > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > > > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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February 2, 2009

Dear BhaskerIf 2 4 8 (jup), 5 9 (sun), 7(ra) are not connected to career then how did I get into IAS.Looking at ur horoscope I don't understand why u havn't met with accident/ illhealth. I wonder if astrology can explain everything.RegardsSujata--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 3:01 PM

Dear Sujataji,

This is what you wrote originally.

// Dear Bhasker> My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 108 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent resultsvis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob ofmoon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> Regards> sujata //

I have just received your Birth details now in your latest message.

When you say Saturn is in sub of Mercury signifying, 6 and 10, but did not give you excellent professional results, you are giving incomplete information, which is also known as fixing astrology. You have forgotten to add the house 8, in the sub which too Mercury signifies. I need not tell you what happens when the 8th house joins with any other house, in this case to the houses denoting profession.

When you say that You received good results in the case of Jupiter period , then note this clearly that Moon represents only the 10th Cusp purely, without attachment to the 8th.

Why cannot we take the above as truth ? Why must we believe that the stars in which these subs were placed are responsible for what you experienced..

You may please carry on with your belief and go ahead in your observations, while I choose and prefer to stay put till the Sub level for the Dasha Lords. I may change my views in future, when I find evidences in other charts showing otherwise, but as of now, this is it.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhasker> I had got into the IAS during jup Merc ra period. Jup is in its own star in 8,l/o2 4. and in moon sub in 10 Mer is in sun star in 5, l/o 9. Mer in 6 in own sub, l/o 8 10.Ra in ke star in7.and own sub in 1 ( DOB 5-5-55, POB DELHI, TOB 9-37 PM, AS RECTIFIED BY dR kAR AND K. GANPATHY). So the subs do give their effects.> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Monday, 26 January, 2009, 9:53 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji,> > > > I do not know what KP is being followed

over here.> > > > Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot say that> > the planet in question must give a good career, unless the Planets> > Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of 6,8,10> > must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of 8,2 and> > 4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career.. So i do not> > understand how can you expect good career results by just looking at the> > subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, which here> > is Saturn.> > > > Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub of Moon in> > 10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?> > > > How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its> > starLords

significations, and its sublords significations , and jump> > over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets> > results what it would give.> > > > Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has to give> > for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore> > Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore Saturns SubLord> > its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord of Saturn> > is into ???> > > > And what happened to the other houses and significations of the previous> > levels ? What do they show or reveal ?> > > > This is preposterous for me.> > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@

....> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhasker> > > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10> > 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results> > vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o> > 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of> > moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> > > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> > > Regards> > > sujata> > >> > > --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29

PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.> > > Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by> > its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with> > their signifying houses). Period.> > > Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet> > > Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in> > pictureÃƒâ€š if we take the starLordÃƒâ€š of the SubLord of the Planets,> > and also, as many houses.Ãƒâ€š If so many planets and so many houses> > come in picture, then the main

issue would be lost, is what I feel. It> > would become just a khichdi.> > > 1) If You think otherwise, then Ãƒâ€š kindlyÃƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š give your> > justification please.> > > 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be> > checked for results, kindly give your justification please.> > > Ãƒâ€š 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results> > for any planet ? Why must we move further ?> > > 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal> > SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what> > level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?> > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > Ãƒâ€š> > > Ãƒâ€š> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord> > of planets.> > > > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal> > sublord.> > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > Dhanabalan> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > >> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >>

> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > >> > > > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if> > > > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > > >> > > > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > > >> > > > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not> > accept> > > > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > > >> > > > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have> > in> > > > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the> > > > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we

do in KP> > is> > > > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same> > here.> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Baskar> > > > > Subsublord:> > > > > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and> > subsubsublord.> > > > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> > > > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time,> >

there> > > > may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of> > same> > > > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > > > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For> > the> > > > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two> > days> > > > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of> > planets> > > > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the> > same> > > > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback> > in> > > > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink> > method.> > > > I am not sure that one is able

to give correct prediction in Cuspal> > > > Interlink method.> > > > >> > > > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > > > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct> > > > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken> > the> > > > cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as> > significators. He> > > > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for> > significator.> > > > He has not deviated much from tradition.> > > > >> > > > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events.> > The> > > > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The> > planets>

> > > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ .... wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > >> > > > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular

case> > was> > > > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> > > > >> > > > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not> > make> > > > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a> > eyewash.> > > > >> > > > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> > > > >> > > > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> > > > sublord> > > > > level, but not at planetary levels.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > > --- In

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > ....>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub> > level.> > > > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > > > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used> > subsublord> > > > and> > > > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK> > used> > > > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did> > not> > > > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > > > > generally subsublord

is not applied.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference> > Books> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > In message

No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> > > > > > deal whether..... .. "> > > > > >> > > > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > Further> > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > best> > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > > > > >> > > > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he> > has> > > > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page> > 42.> > > > The>

> > > > whole page is devoted to the same.> > > > > >> > > > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for> > just> > > > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong> > assessment> > > > > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > > > > >> > > > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > > > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > Further> > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > best> > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I> > includes> > > > > the> > > > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > 1) Badhaka> > > > > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > > > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > > > > 5) House for father> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish> > Rahasya,> > > > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> > > > Marathi),> > > > > it> > > > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > > > > included.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results> > indicated> >

> > by> > > > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it> > gives> > > > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by> > Jyotindra> > > > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the> > sub-lord> > > > of> > > > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step> > theory.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP> > can> > > > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning> > cannot>

> > > > be> > > > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the> > KP> > > > six> > > > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > > > > stages> > > > > > > of on-going research.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tw> > > > > > >> > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> > > > Shahasane> > > > > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> > > > > reliable> > > > > > > KP and Vedic on line book

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Dear Sujata ji, Bhaskar ji and all,For success in competition exams like IAS, it is seen that the 6H of competitions and 9H of luck become even more important than 10H of career.In Sujata ji's chart I find that, Sun, the karak for government service is strongly placed as 6 CL, it is the RL of 9H cusp and star Lord of 10H cusp also. Mercury, the 11L as the bhukti lord in 6H in sun's star becomes very strong and gives the results of sun. 6H is the karma of bhagya. Rahu the antar lord is the sublord of 1,7,11 and takes care of the padprapti sitting in lagna.

Kindly correct me if I am wrong.RegardsNeelam

February 2, 2009

Dear Sujataji,

You are contradicting your own statements.

In your case this is the pattern.

Jupiter 8,2,4 StarLord Jupiter, 8,2,4 Sub Chandra 10.

When the dashaLord Planets StarLord is same as the Dasha Lord Ploanet , you treat the SubLord as the star Lord. ( This rule you will not find written anywhere, as it comes through Guru parampara). In anycase even if you do not treat this rule as right, you have still shown your affections to the subLord in all your messages in this thread, and in this case the Sublord is showing pure connection to the 10th, so wheres the question of your not attaining some excellence in career/profession ?

Looking at my horoscope you cannot understand why I have not met with accidents/ill health. Thats right. But did you study,find and tell me when did you expect accidents in which periods in my Life and on what basis ? Who is the karaka for accidents ? Venus. Which is the house for short travels or movement ? The 3rd house. Which is the actual house showing the accident ? The 8th house . How many times in my Horoscope did you find these combinations appearing so as to expect accidents in my Life ? On what base are you looking for accidents in my Horoscope astrologically, please explain,. and then I will explain why I have good health and never been admitted to a hospital or never suffered accidents even though I have been running the 6th and 12th house siultaneously whole my Life, in each and every period.

Lets get down to real astrology which is missing these days, but first I wish all of you to sweat for some time in trying to find out why must accidents and ill health be there in my chart and when ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:>> Dear Bhasker> If 2 4 8 (jup), 5 9 (sun), 7(ra) are not connected to career then how did I get into IAS.> Looking at ur horoscope I don't understand why u havn't met with accident/ illhealth. I wonder if astrology can explain everything.> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > Monday, 2 February, 2009, 3:01 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji,> This is what you wrote originally.> // Dear Bhasker> > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10> 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results> vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o> 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of> moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> > Regards> > sujata //> I have just received your Birth details now in your latest message.> When you say Saturn is in sub of Mercury signifying, 6 and 10, but did not give you excellent professional results, you are giving incomplete information, which is also known as fixing astrology. You have forgotten to add the house 8, in the sub which too Mercury signifies. I need not tell you what happens when the 8th house joins with any other house, in this case to the houses denoting profession.> When you say that You received good results in the case of Jupiter period , then note this clearly that Moon represents only the 10th Cusp purely, without attachment to the 8th.> Why cannot we take the above as truth ? Why must we believe that the stars in which these subs were placed are responsible for what you experienced.> You may please carry on with your belief and go ahead in your observations, while I choose and prefer to stay put till the Sub level for the Dasha Lords. I may change my views in future, when I find evidences in other charts showing otherwise, but as of now, this is it.> best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > Â > Â > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhasker> > I had got into the IAS during jup Merc ra period. Jup is in its own star in 8,l/o2 4. and in moon sub in 10 Mer is in sun star in 5, l/o 9. Mer in 6 in own sub, l/o 8 10.Ra in ke star in7.and own sub in 1 ( DOB 5-5-55, POB DELHI, TOB 9-37 PM, AS RECTIFIED BY dR kAR AND K. GANPATHY). So the subs do give their effects.> > Regards> > Sujata> > > > --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, 26 January, 2009, 9:53 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji,> > > > > > > > I do not know what KP is being followed over here.> > > > > > > > Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot say that> > > > the planet in question must give a good career, unless the Planets> > > > Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of 6,8,10> > > > must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of 8,2 and> > > > 4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career. So i do not> > > > understand how can you expect good career results by just looking at the> > > > subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, which here> > > > is Saturn.> > > > > > > > Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub of Moon in> > > > 10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?> > > > > > > > How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its> > > > starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and jump> > > > over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets> > > > results what it would give.> > > > > > > > Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has to give> > > > for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore> > > > Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore Saturns SubLord> > > > its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord of Saturn> > > > is into ???> > > > > > > > And what happened to the other houses and significations of the previous> > > > levels ? What do they show or reveal ?> > > > > > > > This is preposterous for me.> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhasker> > > > > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10> > > > 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results> > > > vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o> > > > 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of> > > > moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> > > > > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> > > > > Regards> > > > > sujata> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > > > Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.> > > > > Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by> > > > its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with> > > > their signifying houses). Period.> > > > > Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet> > > > > Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in> > > > pictureÃƒâ€š if we take the starLordÃƒâ€š of the SubLord of the Planets,> > > > and also, as many houses.Ãƒâ€š If so many planets and so many houses> > > > come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It> > > > would become just a khichdi.> > > > > 1) If You think otherwise, then Ãƒâ€š kindlyÃƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š give your> > > > justification please.> > > > > 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be> > > > checked for results, kindly give your justification please.> > > > > Ãƒâ€š 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results> > > > for any planet ? Why must we move further ?> > > > > 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal> > > > SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what> > > > level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord> > > > of planets.> > > > > > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal> > > > sublord.> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if> > > > > > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > > > > >> > > > > > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > > > > >> > > > > > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not> > > > accept> > > > > > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have> > > > in> > > > > > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the> > > > > > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP> > > > is> > > > > > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same> > > > here.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Baskar> > > > > > > Subsublord:> > > > > > > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and> > > > subsubsublord.> > > > > > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> > > > > > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time,> > > > there> > > > > > may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of> > > > same> > > > > > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > > > > > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For> > > > the> > > > > > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two> > > > days> > > > > > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of> > > > planets> > > > > > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the> > > > same> > > > > > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback> > > > in> > > > > > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink> > > > method.> > > > > > I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal> > > > > > Interlink method.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > > > > > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct> > > > > > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken> > > > the> > > > > > cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as> > > > significators. He> > > > > > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for> > > > significator.> > > > > > He has not deviated much from tradition.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events.> > > > The> > > > > > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The> > > > planets> > > > > > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case> > > > was> > > > > > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not> > > > make> > > > > > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a> > > > eyewash.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> > > > > > sublord> > > > > > > level, but not at planetary levels.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> > > > ....>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub> > > > level.> > > > > > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > > > > > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used> > > > subsublord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK> > > > used> > > > > > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did> > > > not> > > > > > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > > > > > > generally subsublord is not applied.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference> > > > Books> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > > > > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> > > > > > > > deal whether..... .. "> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > > > > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > > > Further> > > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > > > best> > > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he> > > > has> > > > > > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page> > > > 42.> > > > > > The> > > > > > > whole page is devoted to the same.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for> > > > just> > > > > > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong> > > > assessment> > > > > > > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > > > > > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > > > Further> > > > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > > > best> > > > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I> > > > includes> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1) Badhaka> > > > > > > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > > > > > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > > > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > > > > > > 5) House for father> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish> > > > Rahasya,> > > > > > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> > > > > > Marathi),> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > > > > > > included.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results> > > > indicated> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it> > > > gives> > > > > > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by> > > > Jyotindra> > > > > > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the> > > > sub-lord> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step> > > > theory.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP> > > > can> > > > > > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning> > > > cannot> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the> > > > KP> > > > > > six> > > > > > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > > > > > > stages> > > > > > > > > of on-going research.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> > > > > > Shahasane> > > > > > > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> > > > > > > reliable> > > > > > > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > > > > > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to> > > > http://messenger. / invite/> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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February 2, 2009

Dear Neelamji,

You are absolutely right. The 6th shows success in Examinations and the

9th shows higher education.

In Sujatajis chart when she mentions the period of success, these houses

do seem to get activated.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

wrote:

>

> Dear Sujata ji, Bhaskar ji and all,

>

> For success in competition exams like IAS, it is seen that the 6H of

> competitions and 9H of luck become even more important than 10H of

career.

>

> In Sujata ji's chart I find that, Sun, the karak for government

service is

> strongly placed as 6 CL, it is the RL of 9H cusp and star Lord of 10H

cusp

> also. Mercury, the 11L as the bhukti lord in 6H in sun's star becomes

very

> strong and gives the results of sun. 6H is the karma of bhagya. Rahu

the

> antar lord is the sublord of 1,7,11 and takes care of the padprapti

sitting

> in lagna.

>

> Kindly correct me if I am wrong.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

February 4, 2009

dear Bhasker

Kindly explain how mer in star of sun (5 9) and Ra (1 7) could giv IAS.. Dosn't 9th negate 10th?

Accidents and illhealth are not possible as sa, sub of 6th signifies 1 5 7 11

Regards

Sujata--- On Tue, 3/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009, 12:17 AM

Dear Sujataji,

You are contradicting your own statements.

In your case this is the pattern.

Jupiter 8,2,4 StarLord Jupiter, 8,2,4 Sub Chandra 10.

When the dashaLord Planets StarLord is same as the Dasha Lord Ploanet , you treat the SubLord as the star Lord. ( This rule you will not find written anywhere, as it comes through Guru parampara). In anycase even if you do not treat this rule as right, you have still shown your affections to the subLord in all your messages in this thread, and in this case the Sublord is showing pure connection to the 10th, so wheres the question of your not attaining some excellence in career/profession ?

Looking at my horoscope you cannot understand why I have not met with accidents/ill health. Thats right. But did you study,find and tell me when did you expect accidents in which periods in my Life and on what basis ? Who is the karaka for accidents ? Venus. Which is the house for short travels or movement ? The 3rd house. Which is the actual house showing the accident ? The 8th house . How many times in my Horoscope did you find these combinations appearing so as to expect accidents in my Life ? On what base are you looking for accidents in my Horoscope astrologically, please explain,. and then I will explain why I have good health and never been admitted to a hospital or never suffered accidents even though I have been running the 6th and 12th house siultaneously whole my Life, in each and every period.

Lets get down to real astrology which is missing these days, but first I wish all of you to sweat for some time in trying to find out why must accidents and ill health be there in my chart and when ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ....> wrote:>> Dear Bhasker> If 2 4 8 (jup), 5 9 (sun), 7(ra) are not connected to career then how did I get into IAS.> Looking at ur horoscope I don't understand why u havn't met with accident/ illhealth. I wonder if astrology can explain everything.> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ .... wrote:> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Monday, 2 February, 2009, 3:01 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji,> This is what you wrote originally.> // Dear Bhasker> > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10> 8 Since mer sub

signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results> vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o> 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of> moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> > Regards> > sujata //> I have just received your Birth details now in your latest message.> When you say Saturn is in sub of Mercury signifying, 6 and 10, but did not give you excellent professional results, you are giving incomplete information, which is also known as fixing astrology. You have forgotten to add the house 8, in the sub which too Mercury signifies. I need not tell you what happens when the 8th house joins with any other house, in this case to the houses denoting profession.> When you say that You received good results in the case of Jupiter period , then note this clearly that Moon

represents only the 10th Cusp purely, without attachment to the 8th.> Why cannot we take the above as truth ? Why must we believe that the stars in which these subs were placed are responsible for what you experienced..> You may please carry on with your belief and go ahead in your observations, while I choose and prefer to stay put till the Sub level for the Dasha Lords. I may change my views in future, when I find evidences in other charts showing otherwise, but as of now, this is it.> best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > Ã‚ > Ã‚ > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhasker> > I had got into the IAS during jup Merc ra period. Jup is in its own star in 8,l/o2 4. and in moon sub in 10 Mer is in sun star in 5, l/o 9. Mer in 6 in own sub, l/o 8 10.Ra in ke star in7.and own sub in 1 ( DOB 5-5-55, POB DELHI, TOB

9-37 PM, AS RECTIFIED BY dR kAR AND K. GANPATHY). So the subs do give their effects.> > Regards> > Sujata> > > > --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, 26 January, 2009, 9:53 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji,> > > > > > > > I do not know what KP is being followed over here..> > > > > > > > Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot say that> > > > the planet in question must give a good career, unless the

Planets> > > > Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of 6,8,10> > > > must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of 8,2 and> > > > 4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career. So i do not> > > > understand how can you expect good career results by just looking at the> > > > subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, which here> > > > is Saturn.> > > > > > > > Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub of Moon in> > > > 10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?> > > > > > > > How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its> > > > starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and jump> >

> > over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets> > > > results what it would give.> > > > > > > > Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has to give> > > > for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore> > > > Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore Saturns SubLord> > > > its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord of Saturn> > > > is into ???> > > > > > > > And what happened to the other houses and significations of the previous> > > > levels ? What do they show or reveal ?> > > > > > > > This is preposterous for me.> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhasker> > > > > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10> > > > 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results> > > > vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o> > > > 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of> > > > moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> > > > > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> > > > > Regards> > > > > sujata> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >

Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > > > Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.> > > > > Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by> > > > its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with> > >

> their signifying houses). Period.> > > > > Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet> > > > > Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in> > > > pictureÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ if we take the starLordÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ of the SubLord of the Planets,> > > > and also, as many houses.ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ If so many planets and so many houses> > > > come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It> > > > would become just a khichdi.> > > > > 1) If You think otherwise, then ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ kindlyÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ give your> > > > justification please.> > > > > 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be> > > > checked for results, kindly give your justification please.> > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results> > > > for any planet ? Why must we move further ?> > > > > 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal> > > > SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what> > > > level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord> > > > of

planets.> > > > > > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal> > > > sublord.> > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >

> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if> > > > > > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > > > > >> > > > > > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > > > > >> > > > > > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not> > > > accept> > > > > > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have> > > > in> > > > > > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi

BhavChalit where the> > > > > > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP> > > > is> > > > > > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same> > > > here.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Baskar> > > > > > > Subsublord:> > > > > > > I accept that for BTR we have to

consider subsub and> > > > subsubsublord.> > > > > > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> > > > > > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time,> > > > there> > > > > > may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of> > > > same> > > > > > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > > > > > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For> > > > the> > > > > > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two> > > > days> > > > > > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of> > > > planets> >

> > > > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the> > > > same> > > > > > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback> > > > in> > > > > > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink> > > > method.> > > > > > I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal> > > > > > Interlink method.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > > > > > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct> > > > > > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken> > > > the> > > > > > cuspal signlord,

cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as> > > > significators. He> > > > > > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for> > > > significator.> > > > > > He has not deviated much from tradition.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events.> > > > The> > > > > > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The> > > > planets> > > > > > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case> > > > was> > > > > > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not> > > > make> > > > > > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a> > > > eyewash.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> > > > > > sublord> > > > > > > level, but not at planetary levels.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@> > > > ....>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub> > > > level.> > > > > > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > > > > > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used> > > > subsublord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK> > > > used> > > > > > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did> >

> > not> > > > > > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > > > > > > generally subsublord is not applied.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference> > > > Books> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > > > > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> > > > > > > > deal whether..... .. "> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > > > > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > > > Further> > > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A.

Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > > > best> > > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he> > > > has> > > > > > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page> > > > 42.> > > > > > The> > > > > > > whole page is devoted to the same.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for> > > > just> > > > > > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong> > > > assessment> > > > > >

> > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > > > > > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > > > Further> > > > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > > > best> > > > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I> > > > includes> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1) Badhaka> > > > > > > > > 2) Signification

of Rahu & Ketu> > > > > > > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > > > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > > > > > > 5) House for father> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish> > > > Rahasya,> > > > > > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> > > > > > Marathi),> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > > > > > > included.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives

results> > > > indicated> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it> > > > gives> > > > > > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by> > > > Jyotindra> > > > > > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the> > > > sub-lord> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step> > > > theory.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5. The bottom line is

by reading the books not in line with KP> > > > can> > > > > > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning> > > > cannot> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the> > > > KP> > > > > > six> > > > > > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > > > > > > stages> > > > > > > > > of on-going research.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> > > > > > Shahasane> > > > > > > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> > > > > > > reliable> > > > > > > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > > > > > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

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February 4, 2009

Dear Sujataji,

What is IAS ? I think its Indian Administratve Service ? If You need to

undergo some courses and eaxminations to enter IAS, then I suppose, and

you too will, that the 9th house factors come in picture, as Higher

education.

In the first case, why should we be immediately thinking of accidents as

soon as we see the " 6th house " . because in any case the 6th does not

indicate accidents. At the most it will indicate ill health if one is

into looking at the evil effects of the 6th house. But if the Planet in

question is itself the owner of the 6th, then forget the illhealth too.

That will come only through other planets connected to the 6th. For

accidents of grave nature, the 8th must be connected. For vehicle

accidents again the 3rd house of movement must be connected. The 12th

will show hospitalisation. But if this equation is changed then only

positives will accrue. I will talk on this sometime in future. what

saturn signifies in my chart, I will not comment on this at the moment.

You have again misspelt my name as " Bhasker " .

This is my last communication with you,

with due respects,

Bhaskar.

, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

>

> dear Bhasker

> Kindly explain how mer in star of sun (5 9) and Ra (1 7) could giv

IAS. Dosn't 9th negate 10th?

> Accidents and illhealth are not possible as sa, sub of 6th signifies 1

5 7 11

> Regards

> Sujata

>

> --- On Tue, 3/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

>

> Tuesday, 3 February, 2009, 12:17 AM

>

Dear Sujataji,

> You are contradicting your own statements.

> In your case this is the pattern.

> Jupiter 8,2,4 StarLord Jupiter, 8,2,4 Sub Chandra 10.

> When the dashaLord Planets Â StarLord is same as the Dasha Lord

Ploanet , you treat the SubLord as the star Lord. ( This rule you will

not find written anywhere, as it comes through Guru parampara). In

anycase even if you do not treat this rule as right, you have still

shown your affections to the subLord in all your messages in this

thread,Â and in this case the Sublord is showing pure connection to

the 10th, so wheres the question of your not attaining some excellence

in career/profession ?

> Looking at my horoscope you cannot understand why I have not met with

accidents/ill health. Thats right. But did you study,find and tell me

when did you expect accidents in which periods in my Life and on what

basis ? Who is the karaka for accidents ? Venus. Which is the house for

short travels or movement ? The 3rd house. Which is the actual house

showing the accident ? The 8th house . How many times in my Horoscope

did you find these combinations appearing so as to expect accidents in

my Life ? On what base are you looking for accidents in my Horoscope

astrologically, please explain,. and then I will explain why I have good

health and never been admitted to a hospital or never suffered accidents

even though I have been running the 6th and 12th house siultaneously

whole my Life, in each and every period.

> Lets get down to real astrology which is missing these days, but first

I wish all of you to sweat for some time in trying to find out why must

accidents and ill health be there in my chart and when ?

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

> Â

>

> @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhasker

> > If 2 4 8 (jup), 5 9 (sun), 7(ra) are not connected to career then

how did I get into IAS.

> > Looking at ur horoscope I don't understand why u havn't met with

accident/ illhealth. I wonder if astrology can explain everything.

> > Regards

> > Sujata

> >

> > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

> > @gro ups.com

> > Monday, 2 February, 2009, 3:01 PM

> >

> > Dear Sujataji,

> > This is what you wrote originally.

> > // Dear Bhasker

> > > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o

10

> > 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent

results

> > vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in

5,l/o

> > 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob

of

> > moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.

> > > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor

> > > Regards

> > > sujata //

> > I have just received your Birth details now in your latest message.

> > When you say Saturn is in sub of Mercury signifying, 6 and 10, but

did not give you excellent professional results, you are giving

incomplete information, which is also known as fixing astrology. You

have forgotten to add the house 8, in the sub which too Mercury

signifies. I need not tell you what happens when the 8th house joins

with any other house, in this case to the houses denoting profession.

> > When you say that You received good results in the case of Jupiter

period , then note this clearly that Moon represents only the 10th Cusp

purely, without attachment to the 8th.

> > Why cannot we take the above as truth ? Why must we believe that the

stars in which these subs were placed are responsible for what you

experienced.

> > You may please carry on with your belief and go ahead in your

observations, while I choose and prefer to stay put till the Sub level

for the Dasha Lords. I may change my views in future, when I find

evidences in other charts showing otherwise, but as of now, this is it.

> > best wishes,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhasker

> > > I had got into the IAS during jup Merc ra period. Jup is in its

own star in 8,l/o2 4. and in moon sub in 10 Mer is in sun star in 5, l/o

9. Mer in 6 in own sub, l/o 8 10.Ra in ke star in7.and own sub in 1 (

DOB 5-5-55, POB DELHI, TOB 9-37 PM, AS RECTIFIED BY dR kAR AND K.

GANPATHY). So the subs do give their effects.

> > > Regards

> > > Sujata

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Monday, 26 January, 2009, 9:53 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Sujataji,

> > >

> > > I do not know what KP is being followed over here.

> > >

> > > Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot say

that

> > >

> > > the planet in question must give a good career, unless the Planets

> > >

> > > Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of

6,8,10

> > >

> > > must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of

8,2 and

> > >

> > > 4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career. So i do

not

> > >

> > > understand how can you expect good career results by just looking

at the

> > >

> > > subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, which

here

> > >

> > > is Saturn.

> > >

> > > Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub of

Moon in

> > >

> > > 10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?

> > >

> > > How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its

> > >

> > > starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and

jump

> > >

> > > over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets

> > >

> > > results what it would give.

> > >

> > > Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has to

give

> > >

> > > for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership,

ignore

> > >

> > > Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore Saturns

SubLord

> > >

> > > its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord of

Saturn

> > >

> > > is into ???

> > >

> > > And what happened to the other houses and significations of the

> > > levels ? What do they show or reveal ?

> > >

> > > This is preposterous for me.

> > >

> > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Bhasker

> > >

> > > > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6,

l/o 10

> > >

> > > 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent

results

> > >

> > > vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in

5,l/o

> > >

> > > 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob

of

> > >

> > > moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.

> > >

> > > > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor

> > >

> > > > Regards

> > >

> > > > sujata

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > >

> > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference

Books

> > >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > >

> > > > Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,

> > >

> > > > Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.

> > >

> > > > Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be

revealed by

> > >

> > > its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally

with

> > >

> > > their signifying houses). Period.

> > >

> > > > Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet

> > >

> > > > Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in

> > >

> > > pictureÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ if we take the starLordÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

of the SubLord of the Planets,

> > >

> > > and also, as many houses.ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ If so many planets and

so many houses

> > >

> > > come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I

feel. It

> > >

> > > would become just a khichdi.

> > >

> > > > 1) If You think otherwise, then ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

kindlyÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ give your

> > >

> > > justification please.

> > >

> > > > 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to

be

> > >

> > > checked for results, kindly give your justification please.

> > >

> > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while

checking results

> > >

> > > for any planet ? Why must we move further ?

> > >

> > > > 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal

> > >

> > > SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil

what

> > >

> > > level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?

> > >

> > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > >

> > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

....>

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar

> > >

> > > > > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for

sublord

> > >

> > > of planets.

> > >

> > > > > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal

> > >

> > > sublord.

> > >

> > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > >

> > > > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > >

> > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference

Books

> > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > >

> > > > > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which

if

> > >

> > > > > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not

> > >

> > > accept

> > >

> > > > > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what

we have

> > >

> > > in

> > >

> > > > > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit

where the

> > >

> > > > > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do

in KP

> > >

> > > is

> > >

> > > > > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is

same

> > >

> > > here.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa

> > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > >

> > > > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Dear Baskar

> > >

> > > > > > Subsublord:

> > >

> > > > > > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and

> > >

> > > subsubsublord.

> > >

> > > > > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For

twin

> > >

> > > > > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth

time,

> > >

> > > there

> > >

> > > > > may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not

be of

> > >

> > > same

> > >

> > > > > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate

them.

> > >

> > > > > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum.

For

> > >

> > > the

> > >

> > > > > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or

two

> > >

> > > days

> > >

> > > > > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of

> > >

> > > planets

> > >

> > > > > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry

on the

> > >

> > > same

> > >

> > > > > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a

drawback

> > >

> > > in

> > >

> > > > > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal

Interlink

> > >

> > > method.

> > >

> > > > > I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in

Cuspal

> > >

> > > > > Interlink method.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:

> > >

> > > > > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave

correct

> > >

> > > > > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has

taken

> > >

> > > the

> > >

> > > > > cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as

> > >

> > > significators. He

> > >

> > > > > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for

> > >

> > > significator.

> > >

> > > > > He has not deviated much from tradition.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of

events..

> > >

> > > The

> > >

> > > > > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The

> > >

> > > planets

> > >

> > > > > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.

> > >

> > > > > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > >

> > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference

Books

> > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > >

> > > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular

case

> > >

> > > was

> > >

> > > > > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does

not

> > >

> > > make

> > >

> > > > > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just

a

> > >

> > > eyewash.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at

Cuspal

> > >

> > > > > sublord

> > >

> > > > > > level, but not at planetary levels.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@

> > >

> > > ....>

> > >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar

> > >

> > > > > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub

> > >

> > > level.

> > >

> > > > > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of

the KP

> > >

> > > > > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used

> > >

> > > subsublord

> > >

> > > > > and

> > >

> > > > > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt.

Mr.KSK

> > >

> > > used

> > >

> > > > > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded.

He did

> > >

> > > not

> > >

> > > > > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence

in KP,

> > >

> > > > > > generally subsublord is not applied.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > >

> > > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP

Reference

> > >

> > > Books

> > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > >

> > > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > > > > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

> > >

> > > > > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

> > >

> > > > > > > deal whether..... .. "

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

> > >

> > > > > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani &

> > >

> > > Further

> > >

> > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are

the

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation. "

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find

that he

> > >

> > > has

> > >

> > > > > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book " Nakshatra Chintamani "

Page

> > >

> > > 42.

> > >

> > > > > The

> > >

> > > > > > whole page is devoted to the same.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book

for

> > >

> > > just

> > >

> > > > > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong

> > >

> > > assessment

> > >

> > > > > > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he

devotes one

> > >

> > > > > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani

&

> > >

> > > Further

> > >

> > > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt

are the

> > >

> > > best

> > >

> > > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I

> > >

> > > includes

> > >

> > > > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > 1) Badhaka

> > >

> > > > > > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu

> > >

> > > > > > > > 3) Retrogression

> > >

> > > > > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation

> > >

> > > > > > > > 5) House for father

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti

Jyotish

> > >

> > > Rahasya,

> > >

> > > > > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books

in

> > >

> > > > > Marathi),

> > >

> > > > > > it

> > >

> > > > > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with

KP,is

> > >

> > > > > > included.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > " When a planet is in its own star then it gives results

> > >

> > > indicated

> > >

> > > > > by

> > >

> > > > > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub

then it

> > >

> > > gives

> > >

> > > > > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub. "

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by

> > >

> > > Jyotindra

> > >

> > > > > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the

> > >

> > > sub-lord

> > >

> > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step

> > >

> > > theory.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line

with KP

> > >

> > > can

> > >

> > > > > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP

learning

> > >

> > > cannot

> > >

> > > > > > be

> > >

> > > > > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of

the

> > >

> > > KP

> > >

> > > > > six

> > >

> > > > > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the

evolving

> > >

> > > > > > stages

> > >

> > > > > > > > of on-going research.

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > tw

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of

Suresh

> > >

> > > > > Shahasane

> > >

> > > > > > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my

very

> > >

> > > > > > reliable

> > >

> > > > > > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:

> > >

> > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...

> > >

> > > > > > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com

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February 4, 2009

Dear Sujata ji,I am sorry to intervene, but writing this for a better understanding of KP ways. Of course Bhaskar ji can give his comments independent of what I am trying to say.I have participated in some researches on extra-ordinary accomplishments by the natives. Success in a competitive exam like IAS is a big achievement. This type of success is not entirely assured and ensured by one's karma or the hard work one puts in. In such cases it is seen that more than karma it is the role of bhagya and poorv punya (5,9) which plays a more important part. Sun is THE planet to give the exalted service with the government. And it is strong enough, exalted in your chart and natal promise is clear. I guess mercury is armed to give you this success. In 6H, with LL mars, it takes you to the top through the competition. Now Rahu, the antar nath representing 1,7 is the icing in the cake for giving padprapti to self. Rahu is bound to give good results as it shares the sub lordship of moon with 9H and moon is in 10H.

Hope to hear from the experts.RegardsNeelam2009/2/4 sujata das <sujatadash1

dear Bhasker

Kindly explain how mer in star of sun (5 9) and Ra (1 7) could giv IAS.. Dosn't 9th negate 10th?

Accidents and illhealth are not possible as sa, sub of 6th signifies 1 5 7 11

Regards

Sujata--- On Tue, 3/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

Date: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009, 12:17 AM

Dear Sujataji,

You are contradicting your own statements.

In your case this is the pattern.

Jupiter 8,2,4 StarLord Jupiter, 8,2,4 Sub Chandra 10.

When the dashaLord Planets StarLord is same as the Dasha Lord Ploanet , you treat the SubLord as the star Lord. ( This rule you will not find written anywhere, as it comes through Guru parampara). In anycase even if you do not treat this rule as right, you have still shown your affections to the subLord in all your messages in this thread, and in this case the Sublord is showing pure connection to the 10th, so wheres the question of your not attaining some excellence in career/profession ?

Looking at my horoscope you cannot understand why I have not met with accidents/ill health. Thats right. But did you study,find and tell me when did you expect accidents in which periods in my Life and on what basis ? Who is the karaka for accidents ? Venus. Which is the house for short travels or movement ? The 3rd house. Which is the actual house showing the accident ? The 8th house . How many times in my Horoscope did you find these combinations appearing so as to expect accidents in my Life ? On what base are you looking for accidents in my Horoscope astrologically, please explain,. and then I will explain why I have good health and never been admitted to a hospital or never suffered accidents even though I have been running the 6th and 12th house siultaneously whole my Life, in each and every period.

Lets get down to real astrology which is missing these days, but first I wish all of you to sweat for some time in trying to find out why must accidents and ill health be there in my chart and when ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ....> wrote:>> Dear Bhasker> If 2 4 8 (jup), 5 9 (sun), 7(ra) are not connected to career then how did I get into IAS.

> Looking at ur horoscope I don't understand why u havn't met with accident/ illhealth. I wonder if astrology can explain everything.> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ .... wrote:

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com

> Monday, 2 February, 2009, 3:01 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji,> This is what you wrote originally.> // Dear Bhasker

> > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10> 8 Since mer sub

signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results> vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o> 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of> moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.

> > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor> > Regards> > sujata //> I have just received your Birth details now in your latest message.> When you say Saturn is in sub of Mercury signifying, 6 and 10, but did not give you excellent professional results, you are giving incomplete information, which is also known as fixing astrology. You have forgotten to add the house 8, in the sub which too Mercury signifies. I need not tell you what happens when the 8th house joins with any other house, in this case to the houses denoting profession.

> When you say that You received good results in the case of Jupiter period , then note this clearly that Moon

represents only the 10th Cusp purely, without attachment to the 8th.> Why cannot we take the above as truth ? Why must we believe that the stars in which these subs were placed are responsible for what you experienced..

> You may please carry on with your belief and go ahead in your observations, while I choose and prefer to stay put till the Sub level for the Dasha Lords. I may change my views in future, when I find evidences in other charts showing otherwise, but as of now, this is it.

> best wishes,> Bhaskar.> > Â > Â > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> >

> > Dear Bhasker> > I had got into the IAS during jup Merc ra period. Jup is in its own star in 8,l/o2 4. and in moon sub in 10 Mer is in sun star in 5, l/o 9. Mer in 6 in own sub, l/o 8 10.Ra in ke star in7.and own sub in 1 ( DOB 5-5-55, POB DELHI, TOB

9-37 PM, AS RECTIFIED BY dR kAR AND K. GANPATHY). So the subs do give their effects.> > Regards> > Sujata> > > > --- On Mon, 26/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, 26 January, 2009, 9:53 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sujataji,> >

> > > > > > I do not know what KP is being followed over here..> > > > > > > > Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot say that> >

> > the planet in question must give a good career, unless the

Planets> > > > Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of 6,8,10> > > > must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of 8,2 and> >

> > 4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career. So i do not> > > > understand how can you expect good career results by just looking at the> > > > subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, which here

> > > > is Saturn.> > > > > > > > Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub of Moon in> > > > 10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?

> > > > > > > > How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its> > > > starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and jump> >

> > over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets> > > > results what it would give.> > > > > > > > Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has to give

> > > > for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore> > > > Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore Saturns SubLord> > > > its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord of Saturn

> > > > is into ???> > > > > > > > And what happened to the other houses and significations of the previous> > > > levels ? What do they show or reveal ?

> > > > > > > > This is preposterous for me.> > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhasker

> > > > > My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10> > > > 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results> > > > vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o

> > > > 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of> > > > moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.> > > > > So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor

> > > > > Regards> > > > > sujata> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > >

Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,

> > > > > Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.> > > > > Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by> > > > its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with

> > >

> their signifying houses). Period.> > > > > Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet> > > > > Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in> >

> > pictureÃƒâ€š if we take the starLordÃƒâ€š of the SubLord of the Planets,> > > > and also, as many houses.Ãƒâ€š If so many planets and so many houses> > > > come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It

> > > > would become just a khichdi.> > > > > 1) If You think otherwise, then Ãƒâ€š kindlyÃƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š give your> > > > justification please.> > > > > 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be

> > > > checked for results, kindly give your justification please.> > > > >

Ãƒâ€š 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results> > > > for any planet ? Why must we move further ?> > > > > 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal

> > > > SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what> > > > level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?> > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord

> > > > of

planets.> > > > > > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal> > > > sublord.> > > > > > Ãƒâ€š> > > > > > Dhanabalan

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > > @gro ups.com> >

> > > > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if

> > > > > > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > > > > >> > > > > > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not> > > > accept> > > > > > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> >

> > > >> > > > > > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have> > > > in> > > > > > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi

BhavChalit where the> > > > > > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP> > > > is> > > > > > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same

> > > > here.> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Baskar> > > > > > > Subsublord:> > > > > > > I accept that for BTR we have to

consider subsub and> > > > subsubsublord.> > > > > > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> > > > > > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time,

> > > > there> > > > > > may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of> > > > same> > > > > > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.

> > > > > > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For> > > > the> > > > > > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two

> > > > days> > > > > > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of> > > > planets> >

> > > > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the> > > > same> > > > > > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback

> > > > in> > > > > > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink> > > > method.> > > > > > I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal

> > > > > > Interlink method.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > > > > > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct

> > > > > > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken> > > > the> > > > > > cuspal signlord,

cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as> > > > significators. He> > > > > > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for> > > > significator.

> > > > > > He has not deviated much from tradition.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events.

> > > > The> > > > > > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The> > > > planets> > > > > > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.

> > > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case> > > > was> > > > > > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.

> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not> > > > make> > > > > > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a

> > > > eyewash.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> > > > > > sublord> > > > > > > level, but not at planetary levels.> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> >

>

> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r..dhanabalan@> > > > ....>> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar> > > > > > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub> >

> > level.> > > > > > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > > > > > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used

> > > > subsublord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK> > > > used> >

> > > > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did> >

> > not> > > > > > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > > > > > > generally subsublord is not applied.> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > > > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference

> > > > Books> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > > > > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

> > > > > > > > deal whether..... .. " > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

> > > > > > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > > > Further> > > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A.

Chandrakant Bhatt are the> > > > best> > > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation. " > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he> > > > has> > > > > > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book " Nakshatra Chintamani " Page

> > > > 42.> > > > > > The> > > > > > > whole page is devoted to the same.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for

> > > > just> > > > > > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong> > > > assessment> > > > > >

> > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > > > > > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & > > > > Further> > > > > > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the

> > > > best> > > > > > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I

> > > > includes> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1) Badhaka> > > > > > > > > 2) Signification

of Rahu & Ketu> > > > > > > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > > > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > > > > > > 5) House for father

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish> > > > Rahasya,> > > > > > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in

> > > > > > Marathi),> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > > > > > > included.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > " When a planet is in its own star then it gives

results> > > > indicated> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it> > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub. " > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by

> > > > Jyotindra> > > > > > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the> > > > sub-lord> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step> > > > theory.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5. The bottom line is

by reading the books not in line with KP> > > > can> > > > > > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning> > > > cannot

> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the> > > > KP> > > > > > six

> > > > > > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > > > > > > stages> > > > > > > > > of on-going research.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > tw> >

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February 5, 2009

Dear NeelamWhat is padprati? For finding time of employment, one judges 2 6 10 11. Since mer is its own sub, it ensures job.For IAS, one would expect the star lord too to signify 2 6 10 or 11..Some IAS charts are discussed in file section though. 9th H too has played a part in some chartsSince ke is in gemin, it has to give result of 10th house alo, virgo.Since Ra is in ke star, it will give 10th H results alsoActually, I don't want to be a good astrologer as I don't want to know everything about the future.Had I seen my future 40 yrs. ago, I would have been half dead by now because I have been through many ups and downs in life.Regardssujata--- On Wed, 4/2/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Wednesday, 4 February, 2009, 2:40 PM

Dear Sujata ji,I am sorry to intervene, but writing this for a better understanding of KP ways. Of course Bhaskar ji can give his comments independent of what I am trying to say.I have participated in some researches on extra-ordinary accomplishments by the natives. Success in a competitive exam like IAS is a big achievement. This type of success is not entirely assured and ensured by one's karma or the hard work one puts in. In such cases it is seen that more than karma it is the role of bhagya and poorv punya (5,9) which plays a more important part. Sun is THE planet to give the exalted service with the government. And it is strong enough, exalted in your chart and natal promise is clear. I guess mercury is armed to give you this success. In 6H, with LL mars, it takes you to the top through the competition. Now Rahu, the antar nath representing 1,7 is the icing in the cake for giving padprapti to self. Rahu is bound to

give good results as it shares the sub lordship of moon with 9H and moon is in 10H.

Hope to hear from the experts.RegardsNeelam2009/2/4 sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>

dear Bhasker

Kindly explain how mer in star of sun (5 9) and Ra (1 7) could giv IAS... Dosn't 9th negate 10th?

Accidents and illhealth are not possible as sa, sub of 6th signifies 1 5 7 11

Regards

Sujata--- On Tue, 3/2/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

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