No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

January 14, 2009

Dear Friends,

1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further

Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best

narration of KP without the significant deviation.

2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes the

different views from KP regarding the following issues:

1) Badhaka

2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu

3) Retrogression

4) Exaltation & debilitation

5) House for father

3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,

1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi), it

is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is included.

" When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated by

its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives

results indicated by its Sub-Sub. "

4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra

Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of

the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.

5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can

make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot be

complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six

Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving stages

of on-going research.

Regards,

tw

P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane

and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very reliable

KP and Vedic on line book suppier:

Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinic4u

http://www.astroclinica.com

January 14, 2009

Dear Tw ji,

In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

" In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

deal whether....... "

But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

" . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & FurtherLight on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the bestnarration of KP without the significant deviation."

But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42. The whole page is devoted to the same.

You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just

one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment

done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one

full page in a book of 168 pages ?

Please explain what type of justice is this ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes the> different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > 1) Badhaka> 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> 3) Retrogression> 4) Exaltation & debilitation> 5) House for father> > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi), it> is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is included. > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated by> its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> results indicated by its Sub-Sub." > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of> the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot be> complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six> Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving stages> of on-going research. > > Regards,> > tw> > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane> and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very reliable> KP and Vedic on line book suppier: > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u http://www.astroclinica.com>

January 14, 2009

Dear Friend,

1. That sub-sub one page had been discussed in this forum some time

ago and it's only there just written and no where practically applied in

other places of his books. In addition, that sub-sub theory doesn't work

for all given life events of the example chart. That is why I used the

word " without the significant deviation from KP " .

2. Bhatt's books have been generally praised by KP lovers as the best

narrated KP books, which includes almost all topics except Punarphoo.

3. Regrding your Guru Shri Sahasneji's books, it is just pasting from

Msg#16620 & 16657 of this group.

Regards,

tw

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

> In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that " In KP the sub-sub is

not

> applied and it is not a big deal whether....... " But again in

> message No. 21938 You have mentioned that " . As far as my KP study

> goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further

> Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best

> narration of KP without the significant deviation. " But if you read

Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has

> recommended the Sub Sub in his book " Nakshatra Chintamani " Page 42.

The

> whole page is devoted to the same. You reject and talk negatively

> about Shri Sahasnejis book for just one mention of his Line the book (

> Which also is wrong assessment done by You) of 500+ Pages ?. But You

> recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one full page in a

> book of 168 pages ? Please explain what type of justice is this ?

> regards, Bhaskar.

>

> , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further

> > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best

> > narration of KP without the significant deviation.

> >

> > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes

the

> > different views from KP regarding the following issues:

> >

> > 1) Badhaka

> > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu

> > 3) Retrogression

> > 4) Exaltation & debilitation

> > 5) House for father

> >

> > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,

> > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi),

it

> > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is

included.

> >

> > " When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated by

> > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives

> > results indicated by its Sub-Sub. "

> >

> > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra

> > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of

> > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.

> >

> > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can

> > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot

be

> > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six

> > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving

stages

> > of on-going research.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane

> > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very

reliable

> > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:

> > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@

> > http://www.astroclinica.com

> >

>

January 14, 2009

Dear Friends,

The Sub-Sub theory given by Shri Chandrakant Bhatt does work very well in cases where one has two planets in same starlord and sublord, and one wishes to know which planet will give better results.

For instance - ExampleLeo Ascendant

Mars 6.19 degrees and Rahu 6.41 degrees both in same sign Leo.

Mars, 12, 4, 9 Star Lord Ketu 6 Sub Lord Rahu 12

Rahu 12, Star Lord Ketu 6 Sub Lord Rahu 12

Now if one is asked what results will both these Mahadashas give, the answer would apparently come - Same.

But in fact the answer is not same. Why ?

For this we have to check the Sub Sub Lord.

In case of Mars it is Saturn while in case of Rahu it is Mercury

Even without checking the significating houses of Saturn and Mercury one can say with commonsense now, that Rahu Mahadasha will fare better than Mars Mahadasha for the native because, the SubSub Lord of Rahu is Mercury which represents 2 and 11 for leo ascendants, while Saturn represents 6 and 7.

This has happened actually when the native entered his Rahu mahadasha.

I can vouch for this, because this is my own chart.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear Friend,> > 1. That sub-sub one page had been discussed in this forum some time> ago and it's only there just written and no where practically applied in> other places of his books. In addition, that sub-sub theory doesn't work> for all given life events of the example chart. That is why I used the> word "without the significant deviation from KP".> > 2. Bhatt's books have been generally praised by KP lovers as the best> narrated KP books, which includes almost all topics except Punarphoo.> > 3. Regrding your Guru Shri Sahasneji's books, it is just pasting from> Msg#16620 & 16657 of this group.> > Regards,> > tw> > > > > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:> >> > Dear Tw ji,> > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that " In KP the sub-sub is> not> > applied and it is not a big deal whether....... " But again in> > message No. 21938 You have mentioned that " . As far as my KP study> > goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > narration of KP without the significant deviation." But if you read> Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has> > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42.> The> > whole page is devoted to the same. You reject and talk negatively> > about Shri Sahasnejis book for just one mention of his Line the book (> > Which also is wrong assessment done by You) of 500+ Pages ?. But You> > recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one full page in a> > book of 168 pages ? Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > regards, Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> > , "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > >> > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes> the> > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > >> > > 1) Badhaka> > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > 3) Retrogression> > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > 5) House for father> > >> > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi),> it> > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> included.> > >> > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated by> > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > >> > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of> > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > >> > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot> be> > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six> > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> stages> > > of on-going research.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane> > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> reliable> > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@> > > http://www.astroclinica.com> > >> >>

January 16, 2009

Dear Bhaskar

In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level. Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord and subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP, generally subsublord is not applied.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

Dear Tw ji,

In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

" In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

deal whether..... .. "

But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

" . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & FurtherLight on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the bestnarration of KP without the significant deviation."

But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42. The whole page is devoted to the same.

You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just

one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment

done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one

full page in a book of 168 pages ?

Please explain what type of justice is this ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes the> different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > 1) Badhaka> 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> 3) Retrogression> 4) Exaltation & debilitation> 5) House for father> > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi), it> is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is included. > > "When a planet is in its own

star then it gives results indicated by> its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> results indicated by its Sub-Sub." > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of> the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot be> complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six> Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving stages> of on-going research. > > Regards,> > tw> > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane> and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very reliable> KP and Vedic

on line book suppier: > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> http://www.astrocli nica.com>

January 17, 2009

Dear All,

Out late Guruji has considered cuspal sublord's sub.

Planets Sublord's starlord also.

This is for your kind information.

Regards,

KP Follower.

--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Friday, 16 January, 2009, 7:47 PM

Dear Bhaskar

In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level. Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord and subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP, generally subsublord is not applied.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books@gro ups.comWednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

Dear Tw ji,

In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

" In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

deal whether..... .. "

But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

" . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & FurtherLight on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the bestnarration of KP without the significant deviation."

But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42. The whole page is devoted to the same.

You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just

one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment

done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one

full page in a book of 168 pages ?

Please explain what type of justice is this ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes the> different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > 1) Badhaka> 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> 3) Retrogression> 4) Exaltation & debilitation> 5) House for father> > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi), it> is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is included. > > "When a planet is in its own

star then it gives results indicated by> its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> results indicated by its Sub-Sub." > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of> the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot be> complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six> Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving stages> of on-going research. > > Regards,> > tw> > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane> and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very reliable> KP and Vedic

on line book suppier: > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> http://www.astrocli nica.com>

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January 17, 2009

Dear Muthuram Kumar

Mr.KSK did not use sublord's starlord in the original KP volumes of 1965. I think your statement is with reference to the present six KP Readers.

Dhanabalan--- On Sat, 1/17/09, muthuram kumar <muthuramkmr wrote:

muthuram kumar <muthuramkmrRe: Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Cc: "ramkumar" <ramkumaravmSaturday, January 17, 2009, 4:01 AM

Dear All,

Out late Guruji has considered cuspal sublord's sub.

Planets Sublord's starlord also.

This is for your kind information.

Regards,

KP Follower.

--- On Fri, 16/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books@gro ups.comFriday, 16 January, 2009, 7:47 PM

Dear Bhaskar

In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level. Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord and subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP, generally subsublord is not applied.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books@gro ups.comWednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

Dear Tw ji,

In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

" In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

deal whether..... .. "

But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

" . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & FurtherLight on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the bestnarration of KP without the significant deviation."

But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42. The whole page is devoted to the same.

You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just

one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment

done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one

full page in a book of 168 pages ?

Please explain what type of justice is this ?

regards,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes the> different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > 1) Badhaka> 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> 3) Retrogression> 4) Exaltation & debilitation> 5) House for father> > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi), it> is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is included. > > "When a planet is in its own

star then it gives results indicated by> its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> results indicated by its Sub-Sub." > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of> the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot be> complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six> Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving stages> of on-going research. > > Regards,> > tw> > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane> and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very reliable> KP and Vedic

on line book suppier: > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> http://www.astrocli nica.com>

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January 20, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case was

given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.

Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not make

much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.

But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.

As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal sublord

level, but not at planetary levels.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar

> In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.

Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP

astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord and

subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used

only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not

use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,

generally subsublord is not applied.

>

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

>

> Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

>

Dear Tw ji,

> In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

> " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

> deal whether..... .. "

>

> But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

> " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further

> Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best

> narration of KP without the significant deviation. "

>

> But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has

recommended the Sub Sub in his book " Nakshatra Chintamani " Page 42. The

whole page is devoted to the same.

>

> You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just

> one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment

> done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

>

> But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one

> full page in a book of 168 pages ?

>

> Please explain what type of justice is this ?

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

> @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further

> > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best

> > narration of KP without the significant deviation.

> >

> > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes

the

> > different views from KP regarding the following issues:

> >

> > 1) Badhaka

> > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu

> > 3) Retrogression

> > 4) Exaltation & debilitation

> > 5) House for father

> >

> > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,

> > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi),

it

> > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is

included.

> >

> > " When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated by

> > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives

> > results indicated by its Sub-Sub. "

> >

> > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra

> > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of

> > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.

> >

> > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can

> > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot

be

> > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six

> > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving

stages

> > of on-going research.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane

> > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very

reliable

> > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:

> > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...

> > http://www.astrocli nica.com

> >

>

January 24, 2009

Dear Baskar

Subsublord:

I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and subsubsublord.

House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time, there may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of same sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.

Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For the twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two days difference. There may not be any difference in the position of planets in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the same day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback in the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink method. I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal Interlink method.

Stalord of cuspal sublord:

With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken the cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as significators. He has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for significator. He has not deviated much from tradition.

Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events. The planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The planets in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM

Dear Dhanabalan ji,I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case wasgiven for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not makemuch sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal sublordlevel, but not at planetary levels.regards,Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the logers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord andsubsubsublord but they

could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK usedonly sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did notuse the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,generally subsublord is not applied.>> Dhanabalan>> --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Tw ji,> In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> deal whether..... .. ">> But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> " . As far as my KP study goes, the

Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> narration of KP without the significant deviation.">> But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he hasrecommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42. Thewhole page is devoted to the same.>> You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just> one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment> done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.>> But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> full page in a book of 168 pages ?>> Please explain what type of justice is this ?>> regards,> Bhaskar.>>>> @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> >> > 1. As far as my KP

study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> >> > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includesthe> > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> >> > 1) Badhaka> > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > 3) Retrogression> > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > 5) House for father> >> > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in Marathi),it> > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,isincluded.> >> > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated by> > its Sub and if it is in its own

star and its own Sub then it gives> > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> >> > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord of> > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> >> > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannotbe> > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP six> > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolvingstages> > of on-going research.> >> > Regards,> >> > tw> >> > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh Shahasane> > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my veryreliable>

> KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > http://www.astrocli nica.com> >>

January 25, 2009

Dear Dhanabalanji,

I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if

requires some precesion, may be resorted to.

I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.

I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not accept

use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.

Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have in

Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the

Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP is

take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same here.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan

wrote:

>

> Dear Baskar

> Subsublord:

> I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and subsubsublord.

> House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin

births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time, there

may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of same

sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.

> Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For the

twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two days

difference. There may not be any difference in the position of planets

in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the same

day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback in

the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink method.

I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal

Interlink method.

>

> Stalord of cuspal sublord:

> With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct

predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken the

cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as significators. He

has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for significator.

He has not deviated much from tradition.

>

> Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events. The

planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The planets

in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

>

> Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM

>

Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case was

> given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.

>

> Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not make

> much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.

>

> But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.

>

> As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal

sublord

> level, but not at planetary levels.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar

> > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.

> Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP

> astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord

and

> subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used

> only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not

> use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,

> generally subsublord is not applied.

> >

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

> > @gro ups.com

> > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

> >

> > Dear Tw ji,

> > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

> > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

> > deal whether..... .. "

> >

> > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

> > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further

> > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best

> > narration of KP without the significant deviation. "

> >

> > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has

> recommended the Sub Sub in his book " Nakshatra Chintamani " Page 42.

The

> whole page is devoted to the same.

> >

> > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just

> > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment

> > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

> >

> > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one

> > full page in a book of 168 pages ?

> >

> > Please explain what type of justice is this ?

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further

> > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best

> > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.

> > >

> > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes

> the

> > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:

> > >

> > > 1) Badhaka

> > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu

> > > 3) Retrogression

> > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation

> > > 5) House for father

> > >

> > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,

> > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in

Marathi),

> it

> > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is

> included.

> > >

> > > " When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated

by

> > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives

> > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub. "

> > >

> > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra

> > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord

of

> > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.

> > >

> > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can

> > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot

> be

> > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP

six

> > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving

> stages

> > > of on-going research.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh

Shahasane

> > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very

> reliable

> > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:

> > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...

> > > http://www.astrocli nica.com

> > >

> >

>

January 25, 2009

Dear Bhaskar

Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord of planets.

Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal sublord.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM

Dear Dhanabalanji,I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which ifrequires some precesion, may be resorted to.I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not acceptuse of StarLord of Planets SubLords.Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have inTraditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where thePlanet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP istake this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same here.best wishes,Bhaskar.I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Baskar> Subsublord:> I accept that for BTR we have to

consider subsub and subsubsublord.> House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twinbirths, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time, theremay not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of samesex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For thetwins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two daysdifference. There may not be any difference in the position of planetsin the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the sameday. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback inthe KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink method.I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in CuspalInterlink method.>> Stalord of cuspal sublord:> With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965,

he gave correctpredictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken thecuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as significators. Hehas taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for significator.He has not deviated much from tradition.>> Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events. Theplanets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The planetsin the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalan

ji,>> I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case was> given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.>> Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not make> much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.>> But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.>> As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspalsublord> level, but not at planetary levels.>> regards,>> Bhaskar.>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.> Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublordand>

subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used> only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not> use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> generally subsublord is not applied.> >> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Tw ji,> > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> > deal whether..... .. "> >> > But again in message No. 21938

You have mentioned that> > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> >> > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has> recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42.The> whole page is devoted to the same.> >> > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just> > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment> > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> >> > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> >> > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> >> > regards,> > Bhaskar.>

>> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > >> > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes> the> > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > >> > > 1) Badhaka> > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > 3) Retrogression> > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > 5) House for father> > >> > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> > > 1992 and

Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books inMarathi),> it> > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> included.> > >> > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicatedby> > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > >> > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lordof> > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > >> > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot> be> > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the

KPsix> > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> stages> > > of on-going research.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of SureshShahasane> > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> reliable> > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > >> >>

January 25, 2009

Dear Dhanabalanji,

Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.

Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with their signifying houses). Period.

Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet

Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in picture if we take the starLord of the SubLord of the Planets, and also, as many houses. If so many planets and so many houses come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It would become just a khichdi.

1) If You think otherwise, then kindly give your justification please.

2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be checked for results, kindly give your justification please.

3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results for any planet ? Why must we move further ?

4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?

regards/Bhaskar.

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord of planets. > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal sublord.> > Dhanabalan> > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if> requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not accept> use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have in> Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the> Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP is> take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same here.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Baskar> > Subsublord:> > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and subsubsublord.> > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time, there> may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of same> sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For the> twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two days> difference. There may not be any difference in the position of planets> in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the same> day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback in> the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink method.> I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal> Interlink method.> >> > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct> predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken the> cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as significators. He> has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for significator.> He has not deviated much from tradition.> >> > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events. The> planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The planets> in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> >> > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case was> > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> >> > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not make> > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.> >> > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> >> > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> sublord> > level, but not at planetary levels.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.> > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord> and> > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used> > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not> > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > generally subsublord is not applied.> > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> > > deal whether..... .. "> > >> > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > >> > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has> > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42.> The> > whole page is devoted to the same.> > >> > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just> > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment> > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > >> > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > >> > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > >> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > >> > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes> > the> > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > >> > > > 1) Badhaka> > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > 5) House for father> > > >> > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> Marathi),> > it> > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > included.> > > >> > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated> by> > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > >> > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord> of> > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > > >> > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot> > be> > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP> six> > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > stages> > > > of on-going research.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> Shahasane> > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> > reliable> > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > > >> > >> >>

January 26, 2009

Dear Bhaskar,

Have you read the series of articles by the late Mr.A.R.Kar and by Prof S.Balachandran on the accuracy of the sub-sub theory popularised by Dr,K.R.Kar...

Also,Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has made excellent use of the sublord of the sublord of the Vth cusp for accurately determining the sex of a yet-to-born infant,in advance...

Mr.Gondhalekar also edits & Publishes a Magazine in Marathi..."Nakshatrache Dene",

where-in most articles based on his 4-step theory are published...most of them "live cases"... !

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Sunday, 25 January, 2009 9:49:12 PMRe: Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

Dear Bhaskar

Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord of planets.

Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal sublord.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books@gro ups.comSunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM

Dear Dhanabalanji,I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which ifrequires some precesion, may be resorted to.I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not acceptuse of StarLord of Planets SubLords.Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have inTraditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where thePlanet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP istake this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same here.best wishes,Bhaskar.I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:>> Dear Baskar>

Subsublord:> I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and subsubsublord.> House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twinbirths, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time, theremay not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of samesex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For thetwins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two daysdifference. There may not be any difference in the position of planetsin the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the sameday. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback inthe KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink method.I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in CuspalInterlink method.>> Stalord of cuspal

sublord:> With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correctpredictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken thecuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as significators. Hehas taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for significator.He has not deviated much from tradition.>> Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events. Theplanets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The planetsin the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> Dhanabalan>> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Date:

Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case was> given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.>> Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not make> much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.>> But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.>> As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspalsublord> level, but not at planetary levels.>> regards,>> Bhaskar.>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar> > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.> Going beyond sublevel may increase the

confusion. Some of the KP> astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublordand> subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used> only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not> use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> generally subsublord is not applied.> >> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Tw ji,> > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > " In KP the sub-sub is not

applied and it is not a big> > deal whether..... .. "> >> > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> >> > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has> recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42.The> whole page is devoted to the same.> >> > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just> > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment> > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> >> > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> >>

> Please explain what type of justice is this ?> >> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > >> > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > >> > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes> the> > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > >> > > 1) Badhaka> > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > 3) Retrogression> > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > 5) House for father> >

>> > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books inMarathi),> it> > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> included.> > >> > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicatedby> > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > >> > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lordof> > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > >> > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> > > make more confusion to the KP learners,

and the KP learning cannot> be> > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KPsix> > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> stages> > > of on-going research.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of SureshShahasane> > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> reliable> > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > >> >>

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January 26, 2009

Dear Shri Yogeshji,

I am not denying the use of, or accuracy of the sub-sub theory which is acceptable by me. But any levels further than that is a bit uncomfortable. I mean when people use subsubsub or further.

Articles by Shri Mr.A.R.Kar and by Prof S.Balachandran, I have not read, but would like to read, if I know where to get these.

" Nakshatrache Dene ", I cannot , because I cannnot understand Marathi, except day to day use, though staying in Bombay. It would be a great service to the astrologer community, if Shri Gondhlekarji could have a English translated magazine too, for the " Nakshatrache Dene" and I would be among the first to for the same, and I am sure he would find thousand others all over India, who would ask for it.

thanks for your reply.

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Have you read the series of articles by the late Mr.A.R.Kar and by Prof S.Balachandran on the accuracy of the sub-sub theory popularised by Dr,K.R.Kar...> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Also,Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar has made excellent use of the sublord of the sublord of the Vth cusp for accurately determining the sex of a yet-to-born infant,in advance...> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Mr.Gondhalekar also edits & Publishes a Magazine in Marathi..."Nakshatrache Dene",> where-in most articles based on his 4-step theory are published...most of them "live cases"... !> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With best wishes,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â L.Y.Rao.> > > > ________________________________> Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan > Sunday, 25 January, 2009 9:49:12 PM> Re: Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > Dear Bhaskar> Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord of planets. > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal sublord.> > Dhanabalan> > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if> requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not accept> use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have in> Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the> Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP is> take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same here.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Baskar> > Subsublord:> > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and subsubsublord.> > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time, there> may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of same> sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For the> twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two days> difference. There may not be any difference in the position of planets> in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the same> day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback in> the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink method.> I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal> Interlink method.> >> > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct> predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken the> cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as significators. He> has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for significator.> He has not deviated much from tradition.> >> > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events. The> planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The planets> in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> >> > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case was> > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> >> > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not make> > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.> >> > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> >> > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> sublord> > level, but not at planetary levels.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.> > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord> and> > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used> > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not> > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > generally subsublord is not applied.> > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big> > > deal whether..... .. "> > >> > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > >> > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has> > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42.> The> > whole page is devoted to the same.> > >> > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just> > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment> > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > >> > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one> > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > >> > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > >> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > >> > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes> > the> > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > >> > > > 1) Badhaka> > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > 5) House for father> > > >> > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> Marathi),> > it> > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > included.> > > >> > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated> by> > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > >> > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord> of> > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > > >> > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot> > be> > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP> six> > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > stages> > > > of on-going research.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> Shahasane> > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> > reliable> > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger./>

January 26, 2009

Dear Bhaskar

I consider the sublord of planet and sublord of cusp as sublords only and not as planets. So I stop at sublord.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 5:59 PM

Dear Dhanabalanji,

Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.

Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with their signifying houses). Period.

Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet

Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in picture if we take the starLord of the SubLord of the Planets, and also, as many houses. If so many planets and so many houses come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It would become just a khichdi.

1) If You think otherwise, then kindly give your justification please.

2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be checked for results, kindly give your justification please.

3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results for any planet ? Why must we move further ?

4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?

regards/Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord of planets. > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal sublord.> > Dhanabalan> > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if> requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal

SubLord, but will not accept> use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have in> Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the> Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP is> take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same here.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Baskar> > Subsublord:> > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and subsubsublord.> > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time, there> may not be any change in first cuspal

sublord. Twins need not be of same> sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For the> twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two days> difference. There may not be any difference in the position of planets> in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the same> day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback in> the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink method.> I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal> Interlink method.> >> > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct> predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken the> cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as

significators. He> has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for significator.> He has not deviated much from tradition.> >> > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events. The> planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The planets> in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> >> > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case was> > given

for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> >> > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not make> > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.> >> > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> >> > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> sublord> > level, but not at planetary levels.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.> > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord>

and> > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK used> > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not> > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > generally subsublord is not applied.> > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > " In KP the sub-sub is

not applied and it is not a big> > > deal whether..... .. "> > >> > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > >> > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has> > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42.> The> > whole page is devoted to the same.> > >> > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just> > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment> > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > >> > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book

though he devotes one> > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > >> > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > >> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > >> > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes> > the> > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > >> > > > 1)

Badhaka> > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > 5) House for father> > > >> > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> Marathi),> > it> > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > included.> > > >> > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated> by> > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > >> > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> > > > Hasbe, only one

quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord> of> > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > > >> > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot> > be> > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP> six> > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > stages> > > > of on-going research.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> Shahasane> > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> > reliable> > >

> KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > > >> > >> >>

January 26, 2009

Dear BhaskerMy Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10 8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o 9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositorRegardssujata--- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM

Dear Dhanabalanji,

Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.

Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with their signifying houses). Period.

Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet

Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in picture if we take the starLord of the SubLord of the Planets, and also, as many houses. If so many planets and so many houses come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It would become just a khichdi.

1) If You think otherwise, then kindly give your justification please.

2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be checked for results, kindly give your justification please.

3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results for any planet ? Why must we move further ?

4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?

regards/Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ....> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord of planets. > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal sublord.> > Dhanabalan> > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ....> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> @gro ups.com> Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalanji,> > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if> requires some precesion, may be resorted to.> > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.> > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal

SubLord, but will not accept> use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.> > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have in> Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the> Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP is> take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same here.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> >> > Dear Baskar> > Subsublord:> > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and subsubsublord.> > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin> births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time, there> may not be any change in first cuspal

sublord. Twins need not be of same> sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.> > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For the> twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two days> difference. There may not be any difference in the position of planets> in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the same> day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback in> the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink method.> I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal> Interlink method.> >> > Stalord of cuspal sublord:> > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct> predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken the> cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as

significators. He> has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for significator.> He has not deviated much from tradition.> >> > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events. The> planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The planets> in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.> > Dhanabalan> >> > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> >> > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case was> > given

for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.> >> > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not make> > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a eyewash.> >> > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.> >> > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal> sublord> > level, but not at planetary levels.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub level.> > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP> > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used subsublord>

and> > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt.. Mr.KSK used> > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did not> > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,> > generally subsublord is not applied..> > >> > > Dhanabalan> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that> > > " In KP the sub-sub is

not applied and it is not a big> > > deal whether..... .. "> > >> > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that> > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > narration of KP without the significant deviation."> > >> > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he has> > recommended the Sub Sub in his book "Nakshatra Chintamani" Page 42.> The> > whole page is devoted to the same.> > >> > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for just> > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong assessment> > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.> > >> > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book

though he devotes one> > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?> > >> > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?> > >> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > >> > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani & Further> > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the best> > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.> > > >> > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I includes> > the> > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:> > > >> > > > 1)

Badhaka> > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu> > > > 3) Retrogression> > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation> > > > 5) House for father> > > >> > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya,> > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in> Marathi),> > it> > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is> > included.> > > >> > > > "When a planet is in its own star then it gives results indicated> by> > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it gives> > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub."> > > >> > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by Jyotindra> > > > Hasbe, only one

quotation has been found in checking the sub-lord> of> > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step theory.> > > >> > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP can> > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning cannot> > be> > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the KP> six> > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving> > stages> > > > of on-going research.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh> Shahasane> > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very> > reliable> > >

> KP and Vedic on line book suppier:> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...> > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sujataji,

I do not know what KP is being followed over here.

Just because a planets sublord signifies 6,10 and 8, I cannot say that

the planet in question must give a good career, unless the Planets

Starlord too shows some connection to Career. The figures of 6,8,10

must only show the positive or negative result of the figures of 8,2 and

4, of its star Lord, which has nothing to do with career. So i do not

understand how can you expect good career results by just looking at the

subLord and not from the starlord of the planet in question, which here

is Saturn.

Jupiter you say gave you better results because it was in sub of Moon in

10th. But what about Jupiters starLord ?

How can we ignore and leap over a planets own significations, its

starLords significations, and its sublords significations , and jump

over to the starLord of the sublord to check the original planets

results what it would give.

Here you mean to say, that if we have to check what Saturn has to give

for you, then we must ignore Saturns placement and ownership, ignore

Saturns StarLords its placement and ownerships, ignore Saturns SubLord

its placement and ownership, BUT check what Star this SubLord of Saturn

is into ???

And what happened to the other houses and significations of the previous

levels ? What do they show or reveal ?

This is preposterous for me.

regards/Bhaskar.

, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhasker

> My Sat is in11,l/o3, in ju star in 8,l/o2 4, and mer sub in 6, l/o 10

8 Since mer sub signifies 6 10, it should have given excellent results

vis-a-vis my carreer. It did not as it was in the star of sun in 5,l/o

9. On the other hand jup gave much better results as it was in sob of

moon in 10, in the star of ra in1.

> So its imp. to take planet's sublord depositor

> Regards

> sujata

>

> --- On Sun, 25/1/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

>

> Sunday, 25 January, 2009, 11:29 PM

>

Dear Dhanabalanji,

> Acceptance of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord.

> Cuspal SubLord is a planet and what it represents would be revealed by

its StarLord and SubLord. ( 3 Planets are taken in account totally with

their signifying houses). Period.

> Non Acceptance of StarLord for SubLord of Planet

> Apart from above 3 Planets further 3 Planets will be coming in

pictureÂ if we take the starLordÂ of the SubLord of the Planets,

and also, as many houses.Â If so many planets and so many houses

come in picture, then the main issue would be lost, is what I feel. It

would become just a khichdi.

> 1) If You think otherwise, then Â kindlyÂ Â give your

justification please.

> 2) If You accept the starLord for SubLord of any Planet also to be

checked for results, kindly give your justification please.

> Â 3) Why must we not stop till the subLord while checking results

for any planet ? Why must we move further ?

> 4) Apart from checking Starlord and its sublord for any Cuspal

SubLord, why do you think its necessary to move further, and uptil what

level must we move, and how is it justified by You ?

> regards/Bhaskar.

> Â

>

> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar

> > Give your justification for not accepting the starlord for sublord

of planets.

> > Give your justification for accepting the starlord for cuspal

sublord.

> > Â

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> >

> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, January 25, 2009, 4:06 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalanji,

> >

> > I accept the use of SubSub Lord for normal rectification which if

> > requires some precesion, may be resorted to.

> >

> > I also accept the SubSubLord for Twins Birth.

> >

> > I also accept use of StarLord for Cuspal SubLord, but will not

accept

> > use of StarLord of Planets SubLords.

> >

> > Regards to Planets being closer to Cusp, is nothing but what we have

in

> > Traditional Parashari Bhav Chalit or Shripathi BhavChalit where the

> > Planet near MidPoint of the Cusp would be stronger. All we do in KP

is

> > take this same Cusp as the beginning. Therefore the logic is same

here.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > I will not comment on use of StarLord of Cuspa

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Baskar

> > > Subsublord:

> > > I accept that for BTR we have to consider subsub and

subsubsublord.

> > > House one governs the personality and sex of the child. For twin

> > births, for an interval of two minutes difference in birth time,

there

> > may not be any change in first cuspal sublord. Twins need not be of

same

> > sex, same personality. Only the subsub will differentiate them.

> > > Here I want a clarification from the members of this forum. For

the

> > twins, the dasa, bukthi and antharam are same. May be one or two

days

> > difference. There may not be any difference in the position of

planets

> > in the houses and house lordships. Both twins need not marry on the

same

> > day. Both need not die on the same day and so on. It is a drawback

in

> > the KP system. This leads to the development of Cuspal Interlink

method.

> > I am not sure that one is able to give correct prediction in Cuspal

> > Interlink method.

> > >

> > > Stalord of cuspal sublord:

> > > With reference to Original volume of Mr.KSK 1965, he gave correct

> > predictions without taking starlord of cuspal sublord. He has taken

the

> > cuspal signlord, cuspal starlord and cuspal sublord as

significators. He

> > has taken the planets closer to the cusp in question for

significator.

> > He has not deviated much from tradition.

> > >

> > > Mr.KSK recommended 6 fold significator table for timing of events.

The

> > planets in the sub of occupants are also to be considered. The

planets

> > in the sub of houselord are also to be considered.

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 8:39 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > I do not use sub-sub Lords for predictions. This particular case

was

> > > given for some other reason, which is obvious in my mail.

> > >

> > > Most of us cannot even predict with the subLord, so it does not

make

> > > much sense to go till further levels which is actually just a

eyewash.

> > >

> > > But in Birth rectifications, this does help at times.

> > >

> > > As regards to the starlord of the subLord, this helps at Cuspal

> > sublord

> > > level, but not at planetary levels.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

....>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar

> > > > In KP, for prediction purpose, it is better to stop at sub

level.

> > > Going beyond sublevel may increase the confusion. Some of the KP

> > > astrologers have gone beyond sublord i.e. they have used

subsublord

> > and

> > > subsubsublord but they could not succeed in their attempt. Mr.KSK

used

> > > only sublord in his original volumes of 1965 and succeeded. He did

not

> > > use the starlord of sublord in his original volumes. Hence in KP,

> > > generally subsublord is not applied.

> > > >

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ... wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...

> > > > Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference

Books

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 4:23 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > In message No. 21931 You have mentioned that

> > > > " In KP the sub-sub is not applied and it is not a big

> > > > deal whether..... .. "

> > > >

> > > > But again in message No. 21938 You have mentioned that

> > > > " . As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani &

Further

> > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the

best

> > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation. "

> > > >

> > > > But if you read Chandrakant Bhatts books you will find that he

has

> > > recommended the Sub Sub in his book " Nakshatra Chintamani " Page

42.

> > The

> > > whole page is devoted to the same.

> > > >

> > > > You reject and talk negatively about Shri Sahasnejis book for

just

> > > > one mention of his Line the book ( Which also is wrong

assessment

> > > > done by You) of 500+ Pages ?.

> > > >

> > > > But You recommend Chandrakant Bhatts book though he devotes one

> > > > full page in a book of 168 pages ?

> > > >

> > > > Please explain what type of justice is this ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. As far as my KP study goes, the Nakshatra Chintamani &

Further

> > > > > Light on Nakshatra Chintamani by A. Chandrakant Bhatt are the

best

> > > > > narration of KP without the significant deviation.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. It's worthy to note that the Astrosecrets & KP Part I

includes

> > > the

> > > > > different views from KP regarding the following issues:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Badhaka

> > > > > 2) Signification of Rahu & Ketu

> > > > > 3) Retrogression

> > > > > 4) Exaltation & debilitation

> > > > > 5) House for father

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. In the books of Suresh Shahasane (Krishnamurti Jyotish

Rahasya,

> > > > > 1992 and Krishnamurti Jyotish Ved,2007, both the books in

> > Marathi),

> > > it

> > > > > is noted that the following own way, not in line with KP,is

> > > included.

> > > > >

> > > > > " When a planet is in its own star then it gives results

indicated

> > by

> > > > > its Sub and if it is in its own star and its own Sub then it

gives

> > > > > results indicated by its Sub-Sub. "

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Regarding Krishnamurti Siddhant (in three parts) by

Jyotindra

> > > > > Hasbe, only one quotation has been found in checking the

sub-lord

> > of

> > > > > the main house for the correctness of TOB in the 4 step

theory.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5. The bottom line is by reading the books not in line with KP

can

> > > > > make more confusion to the KP learners, and the KP learning

cannot

> > > be

> > > > > complete without thoroughly and again and again study of the

KP

> > six

> > > > > Readers, which may be tough to chew as written in the evolving

> > > stages

> > > > > of on-going research.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S. Sorry for not being able to study the books of Suresh

> > Shahasane

> > > > > and Jyotindra Hasbe as not available in English from my very

> > > reliable

> > > > > KP and Vedic on line book suppier:

> > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta astroclinic4u@ ...

> > > > > http://www.astrocli nica.com

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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January 26, 2009

Yes it is correct to stop at star lord and sublord at 1st stage only. If star lord and sublord are considered as planets, there will be no end to further stretching.

Naidu KP

K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Mon, 26/1/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books Date: Monday, 26 January, 2009, 4:41 PM

Dear Bhaskar

I consider the sublord of planet and sublord of cusp as sublords only and not as planets. So I stop at sublord.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: No More Confusion by KP Reference Books@gro ups.comSunday, January 25, 2009, 5:59 PM