Combustion: What to discuss?

January 14, 2009

Dear Friends,

Firstly, a planet is considered COMBUST when it is within certain

degrees of Sun depending on the Eastern or Western astrological

standard.

Secondly, the effect of COMBUSTION is not clear cut in both systems.

Thirdly, the KP research has found no change in the results of COMBUST

planets. (see KP Reader VI pp 147-154) Many Western empirical studies

have shown the same.

Finally, if one has come up with solid evidence against the KP

research finding, we'd love to discuss, otherwise there is no comment

on one's own way not related to KP.

Thanks and regards,

tw

, " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Dr.Luther jee,

>

> With due respect to all Gurujan i would like to say some reason behind

> a clear decision given by our Gurujans about the some subject.

>

> May be they feel that subject is so complex to understand or may be

> controversial one among different opinion of School.It will create

> some basic fundamental issue for the base of Astrology.They did not

> want to divert the attention of their follower on other subject.On as

> such subject they gives clear decision,not gives any description.It's

> not mean that they have not analyse the subject well,we can't assume it.

>

> But some student follows the decision and some willing to know the

> real truth behind the decision or conclusion.It's not mean they are

> doing disobey his Guruji's decision,they want to learn more on that

> subject or satisfy his questions which arise in their mind.Guruji

> himself like to give answer those student if question is not so

> irrelevant.

>

> I agree with all members who wish to follow the concept of the

> forum,as KP system,which we must follow.But some more arrows in their

> bucket will be useful.

>

> Neelamji have posted her good introductory message on 'Combustion

> theory',she is scientist after all.But seniors are not interested for

> further any discussion on this subject,i feel so.Some members have

> oppose on the thought of any combustion,dilation and retraction

> because KPjee have given clear instruction.

>

> I also feel about combustion of any planet as KPjee have

> stated.External effects as like skin rashes or delay in marriage are

> the effects of other planetary position also.We have to analyse the

> same.It is my view,others may have experienced different.

>

> Tw jee have given so much material on 'Combustion' i will take time to

> learn all,thanks Sir for this.I have not any book of KPjee at

> presently so i could not see the reference which you have mentioned.

>

> I apologize in advance if any body feel ill,that is not my intention

> at all.My intention is, we must keep open our mind for new thought

> which make our blade more sharp.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dr. Luther Rath and Friends,

> >

> > 1. For the finding of the KP research study on combustion, pl refer

> > the KP Reader VI pp 147-154 as done in Msg#21349.

> >

> > 2. For the meaning and views of East and West, pl refer the attached

> > links.

> >

> > 3. In support of the KP finding, many impirical studies have shown the

> > idea that a planet within a few degrees of the Sun is rendered

> > ineffective or 'combust' to be invalid, for instance:

> > 1) G. Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology, England, 1977, p 333

> > 2) H. Beer: Les Cahiers Astrologiques No 6, Nice, 1946, pp 294-297

> > 3) Church of Light: Astrology 30 Years Research, ed D.C. Doane, Los

> > Angeles, 1956, p 184

> > 4) E. Symours: La Combustion, Nice, 1946, pp 22, 55

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > EASTERN

> > http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-030606.htm

> > http://www.astrovidya.com/combustion.html

> > http://www.soulhealing.com/ApproachingJyotish.htm

> > http://www.astrojyoti.com/lesson7.htm

> > http://www.mooltrikona.com/weaknesspart1.htm

> > http://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/vediclesson5.htm

> > http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/Asrology/Judgement.htm

> > http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/combust.htm

> > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/faqcomb.htm

> > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/learn_astrology34.htm

> >

>

http://www.srigaruda.com/front/2007/02/24/grahana-pata-gocara-nodal-transits/#mo\

re-169

> >

> > WESTERN

> > http://juliedemboski.wordpress.com/mercury-combust-and-retrograde/

> > http://www.newagevillage.com/astrology/combust.html

> > http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/combust.php

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cazimi_(astrological_aspect)

> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combust_(astrological_aspect)

> > http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2004/05_combustvenus_pr.htm

> > http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/whengetpaidexample.html

> > http://www.loveisinthestars.com/channels/astrologytips/combustion.asp

> > http://www.astrologyweekly.com/special-horary/combust.php

> >

> > , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > With due appology I would like to write the following. This is

> > neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from

> > Tradition.. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am

> > not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or

> > because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any

> > other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and

> > exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in

> > later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance.

> > > With due regards.

> > > Dr. Luther Rath.

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@>

> > >

> > > Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@>

> > > Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AM

> > > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam

> > > Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO

> > > If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and

> > attributes similar to these

> > >

> > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,

> > >

> > > I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you

> > all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick

> > up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning

> > experience in this forum.

> > >

> > > Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching

> > implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our

> > zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the

> > light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar

> > ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to

> > observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on

> > the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the

> > probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on

> > a nativity.

> > >

> > > Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with

> > visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or

> > sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It

> > is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this

> > understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the

> > amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from

> > the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an

> > important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the

> > MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better,

> > especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the

> > results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet?

> > >

> > > Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets

> > emit radio waves.. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of

> > natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on

> > Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human

> > ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting

> > listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.

> > >

> > > What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All

> > objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and

> > moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including

> > us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the

> > Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So

> > mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe

> > that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals

> > and deliver the results of a planet.

> > >

> > > I quote Bhaskar ji here,

> > >

> > > //Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body

> > as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same

> > baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or

> > transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//

> > >

> > > What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own

> > orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat

> > provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements

> > due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really

> > affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?

> > >

> > > As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun

> > is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this

> > closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are

> > said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which

> > is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric

> delineations.

> > >

> > > When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and

> > lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the

> > subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In

> > fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that

> > planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant

> > while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer

> > sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or

> > gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust

> > lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion;

> > natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.

> > >

> > > In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun.

> > This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs.

> > Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal

> > rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on

> > cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the

> > combust planet.

> > >

> > > How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other

> > planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far

> > combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have

> > learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can

> > guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is

> > a difference in approach.

> > >

> > > Best Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.

> > >

> >

>

January 14, 2009

Respected Sir,

Is it not so that the last paragraph on the result of research by Stellar Astrological Research Institute, Madras appears to be contradicting the foregoing pages from 151 to 153?

With due regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

14th Jan 2009

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 8:26:25 AM Combustion: What to discuss?

Dear Friends,Firstly, a planet is considered COMBUST when it is within certaindegrees of Sun depending on the Eastern or Western astrologicalstandard. Secondly, the effect of COMBUSTION is not clear cut in both systems.Thirdly, the KP research has found no change in the results of COMBUSTplanets. (see KP Reader VI pp 147-154) Many Western empirical studieshave shown the same.Finally, if one has come up with solid evidence against the KPresearch finding, we'd love to discuss, otherwise there is no commenton one's own way not related to KP.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, "msbohra62" <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Dr.Luther jee,> > With due respect to all Gurujan i would like to say some reason

behind> a clear decision given by our Gurujans about the some subject.> > May be they feel that subject is so complex to understand or may be> controversial one among different opinion of School.It will create> some basic fundamental issue for the base of Astrology.They did not> want to divert the attention of their follower on other subject.On as> such subject they gives clear decision,not gives any description. It's> not mean that they have not analyse the subject well,we can't assume it.> > But some student follows the decision and some willing to know the> real truth behind the decision or conclusion.It' s not mean they are> doing disobey his Guruji's decision,they want to learn more on that> subject or satisfy his questions which arise in their mind.Guruji> himself like to give answer those student if question is not so> irrelevant.>

> I agree with all members who wish to follow the concept of the> forum,as KP system,which we must follow.But some more arrows in their> bucket will be useful.> > Neelamji have posted her good introductory message on 'Combustion> theory',she is scientist after all.But seniors are not interested for> further any discussion on this subject,i feel so.Some members have> oppose on the thought of any combustion,dilation and retraction> because KPjee have given clear instruction.> > I also feel about combustion of any planet as KPjee have> stated.External effects as like skin rashes or delay in marriage are> the effects of other planetary position also.We have to analyse the> same.It is my view,others may have experienced different.> > Tw jee have given so much material on 'Combustion' i will take time to> learn all,thanks Sir for this.I have

not any book of KPjee at> presently so i could not see the reference which you have mentioned.> > I apologize in advance if any body feel ill,that is not my intention> at all.My intention is, we must keep open our mind for new thought> which make our blade more sharp.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear Dr. Luther Rath and Friends,> > > > 1. For the finding of the KP research study on combustion, pl refer> > the KP Reader VI pp 147-154 as done in Msg#21349. > > > > 2. For the meaning and views of East and West, pl refer the attached > > links.> > > > 3. In support

of the KP finding, many impirical studies have shown the> > idea that a planet within a few degrees of the Sun is rendered> > ineffective or 'combust' to be invalid, for instance: > > 1) G. Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology, England, 1977, p 333> > 2) H. Beer: Les Cahiers Astrologiques No 6, Nice, 1946, pp 294-297> > 3) Church of Light: Astrology 30 Years Research, ed D.C. Doane, Los> > Angeles, 1956, p 184> > 4) E. Symours: La Combustion, Nice, 1946, pp 22, 55 > > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > EASTERN> > http://www.lightonv edicastrology. com/dailyjyotish -030606.htm> > http://www.astrovid ya.com/combustio

n.html> > http://www.soulheal ing.com/Approach ingJyotish. htm> > http://www.astrojyo ti.com/lesson7. htm> > http://www.mooltrik ona.com/weakness part1.htm> > http://www.aryabhat t.com/vediclesso ns/vediclesson5. htm> > http://www.vegetari an-restaurants. net/Asrology/ Judgement. htm> > http://www.barbarap ijan.com/ bpa/Topics/ combust.htm> > http://www.yourneta strologer. com/faqcomb. htm> > http://www.yourneta strologer. com/learn_ astrology34. htm> >>http://www.srigarud a.com/front/ 2007/02/24/ grahana-pata- gocara-nodal- transits/ #more-169> > > > > > WESTERN> > http://juliedembosk i.wordpress. com/mercury- combust-and- retrograde/> > http://www.newagevi llage.com/ astrology/ combust.html> > http://www.astrolog yweekly.com/ dictionary/ combust.php> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cazimi_(astrological_ aspect)> > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Combust_(astrological_ aspect)> > http://www.world- of-wisdom. com/04_articles/ 2004/05_combustv enus_pr.htm> > http://www.renaissa nceastrology. com/whengetpaide xample.html> > http://www.loveisin thestars. com/channels/ astrologytips/ combustion. asp> > http://www.astrolog yweekly.com/ special-horary/ combust.php> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > With due appology I would like to write the following. This is> > neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from> > Tradition.. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am> > not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or> > because he had no time to take up such points for

research or for any> > other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and> > exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in> > later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance.> > > With due regards.> > > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ >> > > Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AM> > > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam>

> > Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO> > > If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and> > attributes similar to these> > > > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM> > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,> > > > > > I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to

you> > all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick> > up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning> > experience in this forum.> > > > > > Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching> > implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our> > zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the> > light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar> > ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to> > observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on> > the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the> > probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on> > a nativity.> > > > > > Traditionally it is believed that

combustion has to do with> > visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or> > sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It> > is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this> > understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the> > amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from> > the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an> > important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the> > MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better,> > especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the> > results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? > > > > > > Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets> > emit radio

waves.. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of> > natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on> > Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human> > ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting> > listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.> > > > > > What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All> > objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and> > moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including> > us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the> > Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So> > mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe> > that these radio waves also, along with light

waves, act as signals> > and deliver the results of a planet.> > > > > > I quote Bhaskar ji here,> > > > > > //Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body> > as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same> > baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or> > transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//> > > > > > What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own> > orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat> > provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements> > due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really> > affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?> > > > > > As for the nodes, they are

special points and their closeness to Sun> > is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this> > closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are> > said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which> > is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric> delineations.> > > > > > When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and> > lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the> > subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In> > fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that> > planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant> > while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer> > sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized

or> > gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust> > lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion;> > natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.> > > > > > In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun.> > This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs.> > Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal> > rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on> > cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the> > combust planet.> > > > > > How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other> > planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far> > combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have> >

learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can> > guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is> > a difference in approach. > > > > > > Best Regards> > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.> > >> >>

January 14, 2009

|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Sir,

The following line caught attention.

" Secondly, the effect of COMBUSTION is not clear cut in both systems"

I do not know if Eastern system means KP alone or so called Vedic stream also.

Except for astronomical phenomenon the interpretation of combustion as available in scripture is ambiguous.

So your observation is valid.

But the secret from traditions is Combustion as per degree and days for planets as per Surya siddhant is Highly significant with regard to energy state of a Planet.In application domain IN Prasna Marg (ch 8 stanza 1 and 8-10 talks of prasna kriya and avastha of planets.In it is described " kalavastha" a enegy state that is based purely on combustion and time elapsed from this phenomena to day of prasna.The state of Planet worked out gives accurate state of affairs that has potential to bless or upset a native.w. r.t prasna Bhava.

Hope this is informative.

In KP yes Combustion is not significant.