Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members, Kindly find the attachment. With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath. msbohra62 <msbohra62 Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Members,In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by Sun,everyplanet have their characteristics and colour.As like we say Mars isRed,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting systems.Aswe know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The colour.When wesee a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That GreenObject,others are observe by object so we seen only Green.When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or capabilitiesto reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect hiscolour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by anyequipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his systemto reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright more,thecosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will alsoplay his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun alongwith so called combust planet.No independent result alone by combustplanet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet.It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or wrongtrack.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Adith,> Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that planetsin combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that theeffect of the planet may be different when it is posited eitherbeyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the planetgives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different wayas the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this orother wise.> Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM> Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > Dear Dr. LutherRath,> > Thanks.> > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when itmoves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as ifit moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train watchinga car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that itmoves backward when the speed of the train is fast) . But we take asif they are in Retrograde and results also differ . > > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front orbehind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not reachEarth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from earthalso. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought!> > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN COMBUST DONOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT.> > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with somemore inputs.> > Regards> Adith> > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther>wrote:> > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith.> All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a morescientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear aboutthe revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; tothe extent that we understand today. I have been waiting foropportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at twodifferent distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the samedegree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall notbe accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought provoking.> Thanks again.> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> adith kasinath..g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > @gro ups.com> Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > Dear Sir,> > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view fromEarth.> > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and Earth,when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from Earth),(we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may lose their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that.> But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, atthe end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because ofthey become Combust. > > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and results analysis.> > Thanks > Adith> > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther>wrote:> > Respected seniors and friends,> I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. KPhas not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not knowin how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he hasused Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between differentplanets in various charts. Combustion is also a conjunction of courseit is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to considercombustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to bedropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in theplanet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference betweencombustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet iscombust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the Sunand Earth... This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only andnot with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is New-Moon.We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. We> appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can beon the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And perhapsthis position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. Mercuryand Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from Sunand they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun andEarth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements.Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would belike-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of revolution.> I invite comments from the seniors.> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath> 5th Jan. 2009.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> "padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ > > > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > Respected all,> > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said tobe Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Someseniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun.> > Tfyki> With Pranams to all.> Padmakar D> > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar> > ____________ _________ _________ __> Luther Rath > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST)> <@ gro ups.com> > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > Dear Adith,> In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to beignored from the list of significators. But before that we have tounderstand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let meknow if you get a definition of 'Combust'. Let seniors opine on theissue.> Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> @gro ups.com > > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM> Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > Dear Seniors,> > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to the> rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from the significators? .> > Kindly advise your comments!> > Regards> Adith> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Dear Dr.Luther Rath ji, I am not able to open your file attachment,please guide me once how to get it? " " Attachment(not stored) Reply regarding combustion.doc Type: application/octet-stream " " In file section i could not find it.It is my technical ignorance so please guide me. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members, > Kindly find the attachment. > With due regards. > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > ________________________________ > msbohra62 <msbohra62 > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > Dear Members, > > In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by Sun,every > planet have their characteristics and colour.As like we say Mars is > Red,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting systems.As > we know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The colour.When we > see a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That Green > Object,others are observe by object so we seen only Green. > > When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or capabilities > to reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect his > colour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by any > equipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his system > to reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright more,the > cosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will also > play his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun along > with so called combust planet.No independent result alone by combust > planet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet. > > It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or wrong > track. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Adith, > > Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that planets > in combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that the > effect of the planet may be different when it is posited either > beyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the planet > gives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different way > as the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this or > other wise. > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > Dear Dr. LutherRath, > > > > Thanks. > > > > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when it > moves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as if > it moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train watching > a car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that it > moves backward when the speed of the train is fast) . But we take as > if they are in Retrograde and results also differ . > > > > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front or > behind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not reach > Earth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from earth > also. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought! > > > > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN COMBUST DO > NOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT. > > > > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with some > more inputs. > > > > Regards > > Adith > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther> > wrote: > > > > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith. > > All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a more > scientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear about > the revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; to > the extent that we understand today. I have been waiting for > opportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at two > different distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the same > degree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall not > be accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought provoking. > > Thanks again. > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view from > Earth. > > > > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and Earth, > when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from Earth), > (we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may lose > their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that. > > But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, at > the end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because of > they become Combust. > > > > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and results analysis. > > > > Thanks > > Adith > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> > wrote: > > > > Respected seniors and friends, > > I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. KP > has not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not know > in how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he has > used Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between different > planets in various charts. Combustion is also a conjunction of course > it is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to consider > combustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to be > dropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in the > planet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference between > combustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet is > combust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the Sun > and Earth.. This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only and > not with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is New-Moon. > We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. We > > appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can be > on the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And perhaps > this position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. Mercury > and Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from Sun > and they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun and > Earth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements. > Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would be > like-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of revolution. > > I invite comments from the seniors. > > With due regards. > > Dr. Luther Rath > > 5th Jan. 2009. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > " padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > Respected all, > > > > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said to > be Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Some > seniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun. > > > > Tfyki > > With Pranams to all. > > Padmakar D > > > > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Luther Rath > > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) > > <@ gro ups.com> > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > Dear Adith, > > In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to be > ignored from the list of significators. But before that we have to > understand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let me > know if you get a definition of 'Combust'. Let seniors opine on the > issue. > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > @gro ups.com > > > > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM > > Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seniors, > > > > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to the > > rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from the significators? . > > > > Kindly advise your comments! > > > > Regards > > Adith > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Dear Shri Luther ji, I read your note hurriedly in midst of other work, and afterwards as by habit, I deleted all the mails from my Inbox since all come in the same id and am member of about 40 Groups so read the important ones and then constantly delete. This one from you I forgot to shift to my Drafts Folder, and got deleted. I remember you wrote that the position I mentioned would come only when all the 3 Sun,Earth and Mercury are in a straightLine. otherwise not. I agree. About Venus I did not comment because it can remain further away from the Sun, though in its demarcated maximum degrees, but yet much better than Mercury, so in its case I will have to consider Venus as combust whenever it is so. regards, Bhaskar. -- In , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members, > Kindly find the attachment. > With due regards. > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > ________________________________ > msbohra62 msbohra62 > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > Dear Members, > > In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by Sun,every > planet have their characteristics and colour.As like we say Mars is > Red,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting systems.As > we know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The colour.When we > see a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That Green > Object,others are observe by object so we seen only Green. > > When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or capabilities > to reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect his > colour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by any > equipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his system > to reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright more,the > cosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will also > play his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun along > with so called combust planet.No independent result alone by combust > planet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet. > > It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or wrong > track. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Adith, > > Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that planets > in combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that the > effect of the planet may be different when it is posited either > beyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the planet > gives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different way > as the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this or > other wise. > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > Dear Dr. LutherRath, > > > > Thanks. > > > > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when it > moves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as if > it moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train watching > a car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that it > moves backward when the speed of the train is fast) . But we take as > if they are in Retrograde and results also differ . > > > > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front or > behind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not reach > Earth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from earth > also. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought! > > > > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN COMBUST DO > NOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT. > > > > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with some > more inputs. > > > > Regards > > Adith > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther> > wrote: > > > > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith. > > All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a more > scientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear about > the revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; to > the extent that we understand today. I have been waiting for > opportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at two > different distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the same > degree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall not > be accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought provoking. > > Thanks again. > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view from > Earth. > > > > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and Earth, > when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from Earth), > (we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may lose > their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that. > > But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, at > the end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because of > they become Combust. > > > > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and results analysis. > > > > Thanks > > Adith > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> > wrote: > > > > Respected seniors and friends, > > I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. KP > has not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not know > in how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he has > used Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between different > planets in various charts. Combustion is also a conjunction of course > it is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to consider > combustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to be > dropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in the > planet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference between > combustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet is > combust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the Sun > and Earth.. This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only and > not with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is New-Moon. > We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. We > > appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can be > on the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And perhaps > this position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. Mercury > and Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from Sun > and they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun and > Earth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements. > Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would be > like-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of revolution. > > I invite comments from the seniors. > > With due regards. > > Dr. Luther Rath > > 5th Jan. 2009. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > " padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > Respected all, > > > > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said to > be Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Some > seniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun. > > > > Tfyki > > With Pranams to all. > > Padmakar D > > > > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Luther Rath > > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) > > <@ gro ups.com> > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > Dear Adith, > > In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to be > ignored from the list of significators. But before that we have to > understand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let me > know if you get a definition of 'Combust'. Let seniors opine on the > issue. > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > @gro ups.com > > > > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM > > Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seniors, > > > > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to the > > rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from the significators? . > > > > Kindly advise your comments! > > > > Regards > > Adith > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Dear Mr. Bohra, I paste it here for reference. Respected Sirs, Mr. Bohra has 2 questions regarding the effect of a combust planet. When a planet comes to near by the Sun, will it reflect its colour more brightly? We cannot see the planet when it is near the Sun. does it mean that the planet is non-existent or its system fails to reflect the rays? He has given right views that the planet will be brighter and the cosmic rays will have more power. His opinion is the planet will not combust. The effect will be the resultant of the combination of the rays of Sun and the reflected rays of the so-called combust planet. Bhaskarji also opines in his message that since Mercury is always near the sun it should not be considered as combust showing reason that the nodes are always retrograde and their course is always taken as normal. That means Mercury is combust but it should not be treated as combust. He has omitted the case of Venus which orbits relatively farther than Mercury. I do not have any intention to contradict the opinions of either of the learned astrologers. Rather I would like to explain the example Mr. Bhaskar wants to focus to .. 0-------0------------------------- 0 M S E M = Mercury S = Sun E = Earth Mr. Bhaskar says, “In this case when Mercury gets combust, its rays are not going to fall on earth on the native who is born, because The Sun is in between. Then I believe the effects of combustion would be really there.” This statement shall be true if MS and E are in one straight line and in the same plane. If these two conditions are fulfilled then Mercury is eclipsed by the Sun. So when there is an eclipse the results are well known how the planet behaves. But the altitude of Mercury varies to the maximum of 7 degrees and does not always remains in the ecliptic. So when it is not on the ecliptic but away from it although it is in the same longitude as the Sun; the rays of Mercury are not obstructed. Secondly the entire lighted surface of Mercury faces the Earth. Whether we can see or not Mercury can exert its strongest effect on the Earth. This situation, I think, should be treated as conjunction and not eclipse or combust. The alternative position of Mercury may be as below: - 0------- 0--------------------------0 S M E In this situation Mercury is in between the Sun and the Earth. The rays of Sun fall on one half of Mercury’s surface that faces the Sun. The other half of Mercury’s surface that is towards the Earth does not. You know the planets do not have their own light. They only reflect light that they get from the Sun. The light of Sun neither penetrates the planets nor does the light refract through the planets. So the dark surface of Mercury is not capable of emitting any rays towards the Earth. Then what effect will it have on the native? In this situation Mercury may be any where between 0 to +/- 7 degrees in latitude to the ecliptic. If it is around 0, it may create a black spot on the Sun and the Sun may be called to be eclipsed. But Mercury is so minute in comparison to the size of the Sun that the eclipse effect can be totally ignored. Even if it is at other latitude the difference is minimal. One may call it ‘combustion’ or not it is up to individual astrologer. What prediction is to be done keeping these facts in view also depends on the personal inclination of the experts. Dr. Luther Rath. 8th. Jan. 2009. msbohra62 <msbohra62 Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:09:11 AM Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Dr.Luther Rath ji,I am not able to open your file attachment,please guide me once how toget it?""Attachment( not stored)Reply regarding combustion.docType:application/ octet-streamIn file section i could not find it.It is my technical ignorance soplease guide me.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members,> Kindly find the attachment.> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM> Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > Dear Members,> > In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by Sun,every> planet have their characteristics and colour..As like we say Mars is> Red,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting systems.As> we know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The colour.When we> see a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That Green> Object,others are observe by object so we seen only Green.> > When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or capabilities> to reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect his> colour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by any> equipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his system> to reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright more,the> cosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will also> play his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun along> with so called combust planet.No independent result alone by combust> planet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet.> > It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or wrong> track.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Adith,> > Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that planets> in combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that the> effect of the planet may be different when it is posited either> beyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the planet> gives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different way> as the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this or> other wise.> > Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM> > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > Dear Dr. LutherRath,> > > > Thanks.> > > > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when it> moves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as if> it moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train watching> a car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that it> moves backward when the speed of the train is fast) .. But we take as> if they are in Retrograde and results also differ . > > > > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front or> behind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not reach> Earth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from earth> also. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought!> > > > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN COMBUST DO> NOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT.> > > > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with some> more inputs.> > > > Regards> > Adith> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> wrote:> > > > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith.> > All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a more> scientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear about> the revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; to> the extent that we understand today. I have been waiting for> opportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at two> different distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the same> degree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall not> be accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought provoking.> > Thanks again.> > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > @gro ups.com> > Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view from> Earth.> > > > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and Earth,> when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from Earth),> (we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may lose > their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that.> > But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, at> the end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because of> they become Combust. > > > > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and results analysis.> > > > Thanks > > Adith> > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> wrote:> > > > Respected seniors and friends,> > I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. KP> has not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not know> in how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he has> used Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between different> planets in various charts. Combustion is also a conjunction of course> it is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to consider> combustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to be> dropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in the> planet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference between> combustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet is> combust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the Sun> and Earth.. This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only and> not with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is New-Moon.> We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. We> > appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can be> on the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And perhaps> this position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. Mercury> and Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from Sun> and they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun and> Earth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements.> Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would be> like-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of revolution.> > I invite comments from the seniors.> > With due regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath> > 5th Jan. 2009.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > "padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > > > Respected all,> > > > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said to> be Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Some> seniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun.> > > > Tfyki> > With Pranams to all.> > Padmakar D> > > > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Luther Rath > > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST)> > <@ gro ups.com> > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > Dear Adith,> > In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to be> ignored from the list of significators. But before that we have to> understand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let me> know if you get a definition of 'Combust'. Let seniors opine on the> issue.> > Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> > @gro ups.com > > > > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM> > Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > > > > > Dear Seniors,> > > > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to the> > rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from thesignificators? .> > > > Kindly advise your comments!> > > > Regards> > Adith> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Good Morning and thank you Bhaskarji for your kind message. Dr. Luther Rath Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 4:42:17 PM Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Shri Luther ji,I read your note hurriedly in midst of other work, and afterwards as byhabit, I deleted all the mails from my Inbox since all come in the sameid and am member of about 40 Groups so read the important ones and thenconstantly delete. This one from you I forgot to shift to my DraftsFolder, and got deleted. I remember you wrote that the position Imentioned would come only when all the 3 Sun,Earth and Mercury are in astraightLine. otherwise not. I agree.About Venus I did not comment because it can remain further away fromthe Sun, though in its demarcated maximum degrees, but yet much betterthan Mercury, so in its case I will have to consider Venus as combustwhenever it is so.regards,Bhaskar.-- In @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members,> Kindly find the attachment.> With due regards.> Dr. Luther Rath.>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __> msbohra62 msbohra62@.. .> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM> Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun>>> Dear Members,>> In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by Sun,every> planet have their characteristics and colour.As like we say Mars is> Red,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting systems.As> we know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The colour.When we> see a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That Green> Object,others are observe by object so we seen only Green.>> When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or capabilities> to reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect his> colour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by any> equipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his system> to reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright more,the> cosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will also> play his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun along> with so called combust planet.No independent result alone by combust> planet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet.>> It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or wrong> track.>> Thanks,>> M.S.Bohra>> --- In @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>wrote:> >> > Dear Adith,> > Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that planets> in combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that the> effect of the planet may be different when it is posited either> beyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the planet> gives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different way> as the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this or> other wise.> > Dr. Luther Rath> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM> > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> >> >> > Dear Dr. LutherRath,> >> > Thanks.> >> > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when it> moves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as if> it moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train watching> a car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that it> moves backward when the speed of the train is fast) . But we take as> if they are in Retrograde and results also differ .> >> > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front or> behind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not reach> Earth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from earth> also. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought!> >> > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN COMBUST DO> NOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT.> >> > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with some> more inputs.> >> > Regards> > Adith> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> wrote:> >> > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith.> > All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a more> scientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear about> the revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; to> the extent that we understand today. I have been waiting for> opportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at two> different distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the same> degree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall not> be accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought provoking.> > Thanks again.> > Dr. Luther Rath.> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> >> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM> >> > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> >> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view from> Earth.> >> > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and Earth,> when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from Earth),> (we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may lose> their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that.> > But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, at> the end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because of> they become Combust.> >> > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and resultsanalysis.> >> > Thanks> > Adith> >> >> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> wrote:> >> > Respected seniors and friends,> > I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. KP> has not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not know> in how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he has> used Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between different> planets in various charts. Combustion is also a conjunction of course> it is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to consider> combustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to be> dropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in the> planet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference between> combustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet is> combust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the Sun> and Earth.. This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only and> not with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is New-Moon.> We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. We> > appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can be> on the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And perhaps> this position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. Mercury> and Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from Sun> and they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun and> Earth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements.> Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would be> like-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of revolution.> > I invite comments from the seniors.> > With due regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath> > 5th Jan. 2009.> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > "padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ >> >> > @gro ups.com> >> > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM> >> > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> >> >> >> > Respected all,> >> > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said to> be Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Some> seniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun.> >> > Tfyki> > With Pranams to all.> > Padmakar D> >> > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Luther Rath> > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST)> > <@ gro ups.com>> >> > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> >> > Dear Adith,> > In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to be> ignored from the list of significators. But before that we have to> understand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let me> know if you get a definition of 'Combust'. Let seniors opine on the> issue.> > Dr. Luther Rath> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> > @gro ups.com> >> > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM> > Planet - Combust due to Sun> >> >> >> >> > Dear Seniors,> >> > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to the> > rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from thesignificators? ..> >> > Kindly advise your comments!> >> > Regards> > Adith> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dear Dr.Luther ji, Thanks for pasting your message. A very relevant question about the effects of planets on every native.The effects comes to born native by Light ray of any planet?Or by others wave(or as like cosmic ray)? Combust theory can't be justify by Light ray which interrupted by other planet,as like mercury in between Sun and Earth in a straight line so that " " Mercury is not capable of emitting any rays towards the Earth. " " If so that the reason than Sun also be combust in a natal chart who born in Night,there is no light comes from Sun to natal in the night.In day time also, child not born in open ground.So this theory is not applicable for combustion of any planets. Rahu and Ketu are not having any Physical existence,they are only Nodes.Than how we will consider their effects on a Native?There is no any light emitting on earth. Light ray moves in straight way,others wave comes to receiver by all way,as like Radio wave.The effects of planet comes to us by others form of energy,as we say cosmic wave. Abut combustion of planets we have only Degrees of each planet.When they comes between such degrees to Sun's degrees they become combust.We have to analyse the real effects. Learned members will guide us on this matter. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Dear Mr. Bohra, > I paste it here for reference. > > > Respected Sirs, > Mr. Bohra has 2 questions regarding the effect of a combust planet. > 1. When a planet comes to near by the Sun, will it reflect its colour more brightly? > 2. We cannot see the planet when it is near the Sun. does it mean that the planet is non-existent or its system fails to reflect the rays? > He has given right views that the planet will be brighter and the cosmic rays will have more power. His opinion is the planet will not combust. The effect will be the resultant of the combination of the rays of Sun and the reflected rays of the so-called combust planet. > Bhaskarji also opines in his message that since Mercury is always near the sun it should not be considered as combust showing reason that the nodes are always retrograde and their course is always taken as normal. That means Mercury is combust but it should not be treated as combust. He has omitted the case of Venus which orbits relatively farther than Mercury. I do not have any intention to contradict the opinions of either of the learned astrologers. > > Rather I would like to explain the example Mr. Bhaskar wants to focus to > . > 0-------0------------------------- 0 > M S E > M = Mercury > S = Sun > E = Earth > Mr. Bhaskar says, " In this case when Mercury gets combust, its rays are not going to fall on earth on the native who is born, because The Sun is in between. Then I believe the effects of combustion would be really there. " This statement shall be true if MS and E are in one straight line and in the same plane. If these two conditions are fulfilled then Mercury is eclipsed by the Sun. So when there is an eclipse the results are well known how the planet behaves. But the altitude of Mercury varies to the maximum of 7 degrees and does not always remains in the ecliptic. So when it is not on the ecliptic but away from it although it is in the same longitude as the Sun; the rays of Mercury are not obstructed. Secondly the entire lighted surface of Mercury faces the Earth. Whether we can see or not Mercury can exert its strongest effect on the Earth. This situation, I think, should be treated as conjunction and not eclipse or combust. > The alternative position of Mercury may be as below: - > 0------- 0--------------------------0 > S M E > > In this situation Mercury is in between the Sun and the Earth. The rays of Sun fall on one half of Mercury's surface that faces the Sun. The other half of Mercury's surface that is towards the Earth does not. You know the planets do not have their own light. They only reflect light that they get from the Sun. The light of Sun neither penetrates the planets nor does the light refract through the planets. So the dark surface of Mercury is not capable of emitting any rays towards the Earth. Then what effect will it have on the native? > In this situation Mercury may be any where between 0 to +/- 7 degrees in latitude to the ecliptic. If it is around 0, it may create a black spot on the Sun and the Sun may be called to be eclipsed. But Mercury is so minute in comparison to the size of the Sun that the eclipse effect can be totally ignored. Even if it is at other latitude the difference is minimal. One may call it `combustion' or not it is up to individual astrologer. What prediction is to be done keeping these facts in view also depends on the personal inclination of the experts. > > Dr. Luther Rath. > 8th. Jan. 2009. > > > > ________________________________ > msbohra62 <msbohra62 > > Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:09:11 AM > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > Dear Dr.Luther Rath ji, > > I am not able to open your file attachment,please guide me once how to > get it? > > " " Attachment( not stored) > Reply regarding combustion.doc > Type: > application/ octet-stream " " > > In file section i could not find it.It is my technical ignorance so > please guide me. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members, > > Kindly find the attachment. > > With due regards. > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by Sun,every > > planet have their characteristics and colour.As like we say Mars is > > Red,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting systems.As > > we know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The colour.When we > > see a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That Green > > Object,others are observe by object so we seen only Green. > > > > When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or capabilities > > to reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect his > > colour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by any > > equipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his system > > to reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright more,the > > cosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will also > > play his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun along > > with so called combust planet.No independent result alone by combust > > planet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet. > > > > It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or wrong > > track. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Adith, > > > Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that planets > > in combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that the > > effect of the planet may be different when it is posited either > > beyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the planet > > gives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different way > > as the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this or > > other wise. > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > @gro ups.com > > > Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. LutherRath, > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when it > > moves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as if > > it moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train watching > > a car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that it > > moves backward when the speed of the train is fast) . But we take as > > if they are in Retrograde and results also differ . > > > > > > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front or > > behind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not reach > > Earth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from earth > > also. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought! > > > > > > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN COMBUST DO > > NOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT. > > > > > > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with some > > more inputs. > > > > > > Regards > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith. > > > All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a more > > scientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear about > > the revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; to > > the extent that we understand today. I have been waiting for > > opportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at two > > different distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the same > > degree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall not > > be accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought provoking. > > > Thanks again. > > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view from > > Earth. > > > > > > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and Earth, > > when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from Earth), > > (we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may lose > > their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that. > > > But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, at > > the end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because of > > they become Combust. > > > > > > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and results analysis. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther> > > wrote: > > > > > > Respected seniors and friends, > > > I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. KP > > has not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not know > > in how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he has > > used Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between different > > planets in various charts. Combustion is also a conjunction of course > > it is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to consider > > combustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to be > > dropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in the > > planet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference between > > combustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet is > > combust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the Sun > > and Earth.. This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only and > > not with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is New-Moon. > > We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. We > > > appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can be > > on the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And perhaps > > this position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. Mercury > > and Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from Sun > > and they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun and > > Earth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements. > > Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would be > > like-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of revolution. > > > I invite comments from the seniors. > > > With due regards. > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > 5th Jan. 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > " padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ > > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected all, > > > > > > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said to > > be Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Some > > seniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun. > > > > > > Tfyki > > > With Pranams to all. > > > Padmakar D > > > > > > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Luther Rath > > > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) > > > <@ gro ups.com> > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > Dear Adith, > > > In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to be > > ignored from the list of significators. But before that we have to > > understand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let me > > know if you get a definition of 'Combust'.. Let seniors opine on the > > issue. > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM > > > Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seniors, > > > > > > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to the > > > rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from the > significators? . > > > > > > Kindly advise your comments! > > > > > > Regards > > > Adith > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dear Bohra ji, When we use the terms " ray " " emission of light " , " light rays " or " light " , or light rays , it all amounts to the same thing, for we are not talking strictly in nomenclature of perfect use of English language. We are just talking of what the meaning is meant to convey in this case - Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth. The words used by any astrologer does not matter , the emaning should be clear, which is ,over here. regards, Bhaskar. , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote: > > Dear Dr.Luther ji, > > Thanks for pasting your message. > > A very relevant question about the effects of planets on every > native.The effects comes to born native by Light ray of any planet?Or > by others wave(or as like cosmic ray)? > > Combust theory can't be justify by Light ray which interrupted by > other planet,as like mercury in between Sun and Earth in a straight > line so that " " Mercury is not capable of emitting any rays towards > the Earth. " " > > If so that the reason than Sun also be combust in a natal chart who > born in Night,there is no light comes from Sun to natal in the > night.In day time also, child not born in open ground.So this theory > is not applicable for combustion of any planets. > > Rahu and Ketu are not having any Physical existence,they are only > Nodes.Than how we will consider their effects on a Native?There is no > any light emitting on earth. > > Light ray moves in straight way,others wave comes to receiver by all > way,as like Radio wave.The effects of planet comes to us by others > form of energy,as we say cosmic wave. > > Abut combustion of planets we have only Degrees of each planet.When > they comes between such degrees to Sun's degrees they become > combust.We have to analyse the real effects. > > Learned members will guide us on this matter. > > Thanks, > > M.S.Bohra > > > > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote: > > > > Dear Mr. Bohra, > > I paste it here for reference. > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > Mr. Bohra has 2 questions regarding the effect of a combust planet. > > 1. When a planet comes to near by the Sun, will it reflect its > colour more brightly? > > 2. We cannot see the planet when it is near the Sun. does it mean > that the planet is non-existent or its system fails to reflect the rays? > > He has given right views that the planet will be brighter and the > cosmic rays will have more power. His opinion is the planet will not > combust. The effect will be the resultant of the combination of the > rays of Sun and the reflected rays of the so-called combust planet. > > Bhaskarji also opines in his message that since Mercury is always > near the sun it should not be considered as combust showing reason > that the nodes are always retrograde and their course is always taken > as normal. That means Mercury is combust but it should not be treated > as combust. He has omitted the case of Venus which orbits relatively > farther than Mercury. I do not have any intention to contradict the > opinions of either of the learned astrologers. > > > > Rather I would like to explain the example Mr. Bhaskar wants to focus to > > . > > 0-------0------------------------- 0 > > M S > E > > M = Mercury > > S = Sun > > E = Earth > > Mr. Bhaskar says, " In this case when Mercury gets combust, its rays > are not going to fall on earth on the native who is born, because The > Sun is in between. Then I believe the effects of combustion would be > really there. " This statement shall be true if MS and E are in one > straight line and in the same plane. If these two conditions are > fulfilled then Mercury is eclipsed by the Sun. So when there is an > eclipse the results are well known how the planet behaves. But the > altitude of Mercury varies to the maximum of 7 degrees and does not > always remains in the ecliptic. So when it is not on the ecliptic but > away from it although it is in the same longitude as the Sun; the rays > of Mercury are not obstructed. Secondly the entire lighted surface of > Mercury faces the Earth. Whether we can see or not Mercury can exert > its strongest effect on the Earth. This situation, I think, should be > treated as conjunction and not eclipse or combust. > > The alternative position of Mercury may be as below: - > > 0------- 0--------------------------0 > > S > M E > > > > In this situation Mercury is in between the Sun and the Earth. The > rays of Sun fall on one half of Mercury's surface that faces the Sun. > The other half of Mercury's surface that is towards the Earth does > not. You know the planets do not have their own light. They only > reflect light that they get from the Sun. The light of Sun neither > penetrates the planets nor does the light refract through the planets. > So the dark surface of Mercury is not capable of emitting any rays > towards the Earth. Then what effect will it have on the native? > > In this situation Mercury may be any where between 0 to +/- 7 > degrees in latitude to the ecliptic. If it is around 0, it may create > a black spot on the Sun and the Sun may be called to be eclipsed. But > Mercury is so minute in comparison to the size of the Sun that the > eclipse effect can be totally ignored. Even if it is at other latitude > the difference is minimal. One may call it `combustion' or not it is > up to individual astrologer. What prediction is to be done keeping > these facts in view also depends on the personal inclination of the > experts. > > > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > 8th. Jan. 2009. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > msbohra62 msbohra62@ > > > > Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:09:11 AM > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > Dear Dr.Luther Rath ji, > > > > I am not able to open your file attachment,please guide me once how to > > get it? > > > > " " Attachment( not stored) > > Reply regarding combustion.doc > > Type: > > application/ octet-stream " " > > > > In file section i could not find it.It is my technical ignorance so > > please guide me. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members, > > > Kindly find the attachment. > > > With due regards. > > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > @gro ups.com > > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by Sun,every > > > planet have their characteristics and colour.As like we say Mars is > > > Red,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting systems.As > > > we know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The colour.When we > > > see a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That Green > > > Object,others are observe by object so we seen only Green. > > > > > > When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or capabilities > > > to reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect his > > > colour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by any > > > equipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his system > > > to reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright more,the > > > cosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will also > > > play his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun along > > > with so called combust planet.No independent result alone by combust > > > planet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet. > > > > > > It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or wrong > > > track. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Adith, > > > > Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that planets > > > in combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that the > > > effect of the planet may be different when it is posited either > > > beyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the planet > > > gives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different way > > > as the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this or > > > other wise. > > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. LutherRath, > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when it > > > moves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as if > > > it moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train watching > > > a car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that it > > > moves backward when the speed of the train is fast) . But we take as > > > if they are in Retrograde and results also differ . > > > > > > > > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front or > > > behind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not reach > > > Earth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from earth > > > also. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought! > > > > > > > > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN COMBUST DO > > > NOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT. > > > > > > > > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with some > > > more inputs. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther@ . com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith. > > > > All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a more > > > scientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear about > > > the revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; to > > > the extent that we understand today. I have been waiting for > > > opportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at two > > > different distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the same > > > degree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall not > > > be accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought provoking. > > > > Thanks again. > > > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view from > > > Earth. > > > > > > > > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and Earth, > > > when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from Earth), > > > (we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may lose > > > their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that. > > > > But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, at > > > the end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because of > > > they become Combust. > > > > > > > > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and results > analysis. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther@ . com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected seniors and friends, > > > > I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. KP > > > has not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not know > > > in how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he has > > > used Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between different > > > planets in various charts. Combustion is also a conjunction of course > > > it is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to consider > > > combustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to be > > > dropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in the > > > planet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference between > > > combustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet is > > > combust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the Sun > > > and Earth.. This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only and > > > not with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is New-Moon. > > > We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. We > > > > appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can be > > > on the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And perhaps > > > this position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. Mercury > > > and Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from Sun > > > and they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun and > > > Earth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements. > > > Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would be > > > like-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of revolution. > > > > I invite comments from the seniors. > > > > With due regards. > > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > 5th Jan. 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > " padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > > > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected all, > > > > > > > > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said to > > > be Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Some > > > seniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun. > > > > > > > > Tfyki > > > > With Pranams to all. > > > > Padmakar D > > > > > > > > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Luther Rath > > > > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) > > > > <@ gro ups.com> > > > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > Dear Adith, > > > > In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to be > > > ignored from the list of significators. But before that we have to > > > understand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let me > > > know if you get a definition of 'Combust'.. Let seniors opine on the > > > issue. > > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM > > > > Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seniors, > > > > > > > > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to the > > > > rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from the > > significators? . > > > > > > > > Kindly advise your comments! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dear Bohraji, I have no words to praise you for your presentation. We should re-think about the combustion theory. on the other hand if we consider a solar eclipse when the Moon obstructs the light of Sun, the eclipsed Sun is not auspecious for any carrying out auspecious celebrations. Cosmic rays of Sun should have maiintained its natural effect on the earth or on the individual.By saying so I do not mean to bring controversy but for understanding. Regarding Rahu and Kethu, which are not physically existant, which do not emit any rays either light or cosmic, I am yet to understand how and why the Rishis and Munis considered these points as planets. Seniors may clarify or putforth their opinions. Dr. Luther Rath. msbohra62 <msbohra62 Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 5:02:32 PM Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Dr.Luther ji,Thanks for pasting your message.A very relevant question about the effects of planets on everynative.The effects comes to born native by Light ray of any planet?Orby others wave(or as like cosmic ray)?Combust theory can't be justify by Light ray which interrupted byother planet,as like mercury in between Sun and Earth in a straightline so that ""Mercury is not capable of emitting any rays towardsthe Earth.""If so that the reason than Sun also be combust in a natal chart whoborn in Night,there is no light comes from Sun to natal in thenight.In day time also, child not born in open ground.So this theoryis not applicable for combustion of any planets.Rahu and Ketu are not having any Physical existence,they are onlyNodes.Than how we will consider their effects on a Native?There is noany light emitting on earth.Light ray moves in straight way,others wave comes to receiver by allway,as like Radio wave.The effects of planet comes to us by othersform of energy,as we say cosmic wave.Abut combustion of planets we have only Degrees of each planet.Whenthey comes between such degrees to Sun's degrees they becomecombust.We have to analyse the real effects.Learned members will guide us on this matter.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mr. Bohra,> I paste it here for reference.> > > Respected Sirs,> Mr. Bohra has 2 questions regarding the effect of a combust planet.> 1. When a planet comes to near by the Sun, will it reflect itscolour more brightly?> 2. We cannot see the planet when it is near the Sun.. does it meanthat the planet is non-existent or its system fails to reflect the rays?> He has given right views that the planet will be brighter and thecosmic rays will have more power. His opinion is the planet will notcombust. The effect will be the resultant of the combination of therays of Sun and the reflected rays of the so-called combust planet.> Bhaskarji also opines in his message that since Mercury is alwaysnear the sun it should not be considered as combust showing reasonthat the nodes are always retrograde and their course is always takenas normal. That means Mercury is combust but it should not be treatedas combust. He has omitted the case of Venus which orbits relativelyfarther than Mercury. I do not have any intention to contradict theopinions of either of the learned astrologers.> > Rather I would like to explain the example Mr. Bhaskar wants to focus to> .> 0-------0--- --------- --------- ---- 0> M S E> M = Mercury> S = Sun> E = Earth> Mr. Bhaskar says, "In this case when Mercury gets combust, its raysare not going to fall on earth on the native who is born, because TheSun is in between. Then I believe the effects of combustion would bereally there." This statement shall be true if MS and E are in onestraight line and in the same plane. If these two conditions arefulfilled then Mercury is eclipsed by the Sun. So when there is aneclipse the results are well known how the planet behaves. But thealtitude of Mercury varies to the maximum of 7 degrees and does notalways remains in the ecliptic. So when it is not on the ecliptic butaway from it although it is in the same longitude as the Sun; the raysof Mercury are not obstructed. Secondly the entire lighted surface ofMercury faces the Earth. Whether we can see or not Mercury can exertits strongest effect on the Earth. This situation, I think, should betreated as conjunction and not eclipse or combust.> The alternative position of Mercury may be as below: -> 0------- 0----------- --------- ------0> S M E> > In this situation Mercury is in between the Sun and the Earth. Therays of Sun fall on one half of Mercury's surface that faces the Sun.The other half of Mercury's surface that is towards the Earth doesnot. You know the planets do not have their own light. They onlyreflect light that they get from the Sun. The light of Sun neitherpenetrates the planets nor does the light refract through the planets.So the dark surface of Mercury is not capable of emitting any raystowards the Earth. Then what effect will it have on the native? > In this situation Mercury may be any where between 0 to +/- 7degrees in latitude to the ecliptic. If it is around 0, it may createa black spot on the Sun and the Sun may be called to be eclipsed. ButMercury is so minute in comparison to the size of the Sun that theeclipse effect can be totally ignored. Even if it is at other latitudethe difference is minimal. One may call it `combustion' or not it isup to individual astrologer. What prediction is to be done keepingthese facts in view also depends on the personal inclination of theexperts.> > Dr. Luther Rath.> 8th. Jan. 2009.> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> msbohra62 <msbohra62@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:09:11 AM> Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > Dear Dr.Luther Rath ji,> > I am not able to open your file attachment,please guide me once how to> get it?> > ""Attachment( not stored)> Reply regarding combustion.doc> Type:> application/ octet-stream> > In file section i could not find it.It is my technical ignorance so> please guide me.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members,> > Kindly find the attachment.> > With due regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..>> > @gro ups..com> > Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM> > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > Dear Members,> > > > In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by Sun,every> > planet have their characteristics and colour.As like we say Mars is> > Red,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting systems.As> > we know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The colour.When we> > see a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That Green> > Object,others are observe by object so we seen only Green.> > > > When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or capabilities> > to reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect his> > colour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by any> > equipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his system> > to reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright more,the> > cosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will also> > play his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun along> > with so called combust planet.No independent result alone by combust> > planet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet.> > > > It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or wrong> > track.> > > > Thanks,> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>wrote:> > >> > > Dear Adith,> > > Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that planets> > in combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that the> > effect of the planet may be different when it is posited either> > beyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the planet> > gives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different way> > as the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this or> > other wise.> > > Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM> > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. LutherRath,> > > > > > Thanks.> > > > > > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when it> > moves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as if> > it moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train watching> > a car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that it> > moves backward when the speed of the train is fast) . But we take as> > if they are in Retrograde and results also differ . > > > > > > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front or> > behind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not reach> > Earth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from earth> > also. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought!> > > > > > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN COMBUST DO> > NOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT.> > > > > > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with some> > more inputs.> > > > > > Regards> > > Adith> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> > wrote:> > > > > > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith.> > > All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a more> > scientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear about> > the revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; to> > the extent that we understand today. I have been waiting for> > opportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at two> > different distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the same> > degree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall not> > be accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought provoking.> > > Thanks again.> > > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view from> > Earth.> > > > > > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and Earth,> > when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from Earth),> > (we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may lose > > their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that.> > > But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, at> > the end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because of> > they become Combust. > > > > > > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and resultsanalysis.> > > > > > Thanks > > > Adith> > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther>> > wrote:> > > > > > Respected seniors and friends,> > > I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. KP> > has not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not know> > in how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he has> > used Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between different> > planets in various charts.. Combustion is also a conjunction of course> > it is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to consider> > combustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to be> > dropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in the> > planet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference between> > combustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet is> > combust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the Sun> > and Earth.. This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only and> > not with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is New-Moon.> > We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. We> > > appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can be> > on the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And perhaps> > this position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. Mercury> > and Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from Sun> > and they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun and> > Earth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements.> > Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would be> > like-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of revolution.> > > I invite comments from the seniors.> > > With due regards.> > > Dr. Luther Rath> > > 5th Jan. 2009.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > "padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ > > > > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected all,> > > > > > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said to> > be Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Some> > seniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun.> > > > > > Tfyki> > > With Pranams to all.> > > Padmakar D> > > > > > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Luther Rath > > > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST)> > > <@ gro ups.com> > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > Dear Adith,> > > In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to be> > ignored from the list of significators. But before that we have to> > understand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let me> > know if you get a definition of 'Combust'.. Let seniors opine on the> > issue.> > > Dr. Luther Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com>> > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM> > > Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seniors,> > > > > > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to the> > > rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from the> significators? .> > > > > > Kindly advise your comments!> > > > > > Regards> > > Adith> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning experience in this forum. Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on a nativity. Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better, especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets emit radio waves. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver. What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals and deliver the results of a planet. I quote Bhaskar ji here,//Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.// What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets? As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations. When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion; natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm. In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the combust planet. How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is a difference in approach. Best RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, I have not contradicted your Astrological-message. I have pinpoint the theories behind combustion of any planet.As our text says if Mercury is in between 13 degrees regards to Sun degrees,it will combust the Mercury.Reason behind it, is they could not see the Mercury between 0 to 13 degree because of Sun intervention in vision.It was based on light ray theory.We still believe the same theories about the effects of planets on us.Observation of planetary position in the sky and their effects (How they effects ?) on us, are very different things. So was the my point.We getting the effects of planets by some others form of energy which unknown to us.How a natal controlled by planets we still don't know,what is the real science behind it?We believe and have faith in our Maharishi's great works but meaning things are still in hidden which they have not prescribe or destroyed by any reason. About combustion,we have not enough literatures with us. That was my observation on the combust theory,you and other may have different opinions.In Astrology well said,every one have their own thoughts. " Bhinn-Bhinn mata....... I hope ,I am clear in my views. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear Bohra ji, > > When we use the terms " ray " " emission of light " , " light rays " or > " light " , or light rays , it all amounts to the same thing, for we are > not talking strictly in nomenclature of perfect use of English language. > We are just talking of what the meaning is meant to convey in this case > - Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as > soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby > is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis > a vis the base formed at time of his birth. The words used by any > astrologer does not matter , the emaning should be clear, which is ,over > here. > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dr.Luther ji, > > > > Thanks for pasting your message. > > > > A very relevant question about the effects of planets on every > > native.The effects comes to born native by Light ray of any planet?Or > > by others wave(or as like cosmic ray)? > > > > Combust theory can't be justify by Light ray which interrupted by > > other planet,as like mercury in between Sun and Earth in a straight > > line so that " " Mercury is not capable of emitting any rays towards > > the Earth. " " > > > > If so that the reason than Sun also be combust in a natal chart who > > born in Night,there is no light comes from Sun to natal in the > > night.In day time also, child not born in open ground.So this theory > > is not applicable for combustion of any planets. > > > > Rahu and Ketu are not having any Physical existence,they are only > > Nodes.Than how we will consider their effects on a Native?There is no > > any light emitting on earth. > > > > Light ray moves in straight way,others wave comes to receiver by all > > way,as like Radio wave.The effects of planet comes to us by others > > form of energy,as we say cosmic wave. > > > > Abut combustion of planets we have only Degrees of each planet.When > > they comes between such degrees to Sun's degrees they become > > combust.We have to analyse the real effects. > > > > Learned members will guide us on this matter. > > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > , Luther Rath rathluther@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Bohra, > > > I paste it here for reference. > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > Mr. Bohra has 2 questions regarding the effect of a combust planet. > > > 1. When a planet comes to near by the Sun, will it reflect its > > colour more brightly? > > > 2. We cannot see the planet when it is near the Sun. does it mean > > that the planet is non-existent or its system fails to reflect the > rays? > > > He has given right views that the planet will be brighter and the > > cosmic rays will have more power. His opinion is the planet will not > > combust. The effect will be the resultant of the combination of the > > rays of Sun and the reflected rays of the so-called combust planet. > > > Bhaskarji also opines in his message that since Mercury is always > > near the sun it should not be considered as combust showing reason > > that the nodes are always retrograde and their course is always taken > > as normal. That means Mercury is combust but it should not be treated > > as combust. He has omitted the case of Venus which orbits relatively > > farther than Mercury. I do not have any intention to contradict the > > opinions of either of the learned astrologers. > > > > > > Rather I would like to explain the example Mr. Bhaskar wants to > focus to > > > . > > > 0-------0------------------------- 0 > > > M S > > E > > > M = Mercury > > > S = Sun > > > E = Earth > > > Mr. Bhaskar says, " In this case when Mercury gets combust, its rays > > are not going to fall on earth on the native who is born, because The > > Sun is in between. Then I believe the effects of combustion would be > > really there. " This statement shall be true if MS and E are in one > > straight line and in the same plane. If these two conditions are > > fulfilled then Mercury is eclipsed by the Sun. So when there is an > > eclipse the results are well known how the planet behaves. But the > > altitude of Mercury varies to the maximum of 7 degrees and does not > > always remains in the ecliptic. So when it is not on the ecliptic but > > away from it although it is in the same longitude as the Sun; the rays > > of Mercury are not obstructed. Secondly the entire lighted surface of > > Mercury faces the Earth. Whether we can see or not Mercury can exert > > its strongest effect on the Earth. This situation, I think, should be > > treated as conjunction and not eclipse or combust. > > > The alternative position of Mercury may be as below: - > > > 0------- > 0--------------------------0 > > > S > > M E > > > > > > In this situation Mercury is in between the Sun and the Earth. The > > rays of Sun fall on one half of Mercury's surface that faces the Sun. > > The other half of Mercury's surface that is towards the Earth does > > not. You know the planets do not have their own light. They only > > reflect light that they get from the Sun. The light of Sun neither > > penetrates the planets nor does the light refract through the planets. > > So the dark surface of Mercury is not capable of emitting any rays > > towards the Earth. Then what effect will it have on the native? > > > In this situation Mercury may be any where between 0 to +/- 7 > > degrees in latitude to the ecliptic. If it is around 0, it may create > > a black spot on the Sun and the Sun may be called to be eclipsed. But > > Mercury is so minute in comparison to the size of the Sun that the > > eclipse effect can be totally ignored. Even if it is at other latitude > > the difference is minimal. One may call it `combustion' or not it is > > up to individual astrologer. What prediction is to be done keeping > > these facts in view also depends on the personal inclination of the > > experts. > > > > > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > 8th. Jan. 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > msbohra62 msbohra62@ > > > > > > Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:09:11 AM > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr.Luther Rath ji, > > > > > > I am not able to open your file attachment,please guide me once how > to > > > get it? > > > > > > " " Attachment( not stored) > > > Reply regarding combustion.doc > > > Type: > > > application/ octet-stream " " > > > > > > In file section i could not find it.It is my technical ignorance so > > > please guide me. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Bohraji, Bhaskarji and respected other members, > > > > Kindly find the attachment. > > > > With due regards. > > > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > msbohra62 <msbohra62@ ..> > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:40:38 AM > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > In our solar system every planet get the energy and light by > Sun,every > > > > planet have their characteristics and colour.As like we say Mars > is > > > > Red,Jupiter is Yellow,these all we seen by their reflecting > systems.As > > > > we know we have seven colours and Sun rays have all The > colour.When we > > > > see a Green colour it means only Green colour reflected by That > Green > > > > Object,others are observe by object so we seen only Green. > > > > > > > > When a planet come near by Sun,he will lost his system or > capabilities > > > > to reflect the particular colour or it will more brightly reflect > his > > > > colour?In the light of Sun we can't see or unable to see by any > > > > equipment that planet it's not means planet is not exist or his > system > > > > to reflect the rays failed?In my view no!Planet will bright > more,the > > > > cosmic rays will have more power than normal but Sun rays will > also > > > > play his role.Planet will not combust,we should consider Sun along > > > > with so called combust planet.No independent result alone by > combust > > > > planet.Just mixture of Sun+Combust planet. > > > > > > > > It's my view,our learned members will comment i am on right or > wrong > > > > track. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith, > > > > > Your explanation is quite correct. Sir, I never meant that > planets > > > > in combustion ever fail to give results. I only wnated to say that > the > > > > effect of the planet may be different when it is posited either > > > > beyound Sun or in between Sun and Earth. In either position the > planet > > > > gives its result related to the bhava concerned but in a different > way > > > > as the full-Moon of new-Moon. Only experience shall prove this or > > > > other wise. > > > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > adith kasinath.g.. k <gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Monday, January 5, 2009 7:56:05 PM > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. LutherRath, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > When a planet is not moving in a reverse direction, but when it > > > > moves in its orbit and seen from Earth , it gives the illusion as > if > > > > it moves backwards, sometimes.. (eg.,. when we are in a train > watching > > > > a car which is actually moving forward gives the illusion that it > > > > moves backward when the speed of the train is fast) . But we take > as > > > > if they are in Retrograde and results also differ . > > > > > > > > > > If that is so, when a planet is near Sun either in the front or > > > > behind, but because of Sun's rays, that planet 's rays may not > reach > > > > Earth ! Because the planet on either case may not be seen from > earth > > > > also. This may be the reason behind ! Its is my thought! > > > > > > > > > > BUT OUR GURUJI KSK SAID IN HIS STATEMENT THOSE PLANETS IN > COMBUST DO > > > > NOT FAIL TO GIVE THEIR RESULTS! HENCE WE TOO FOLLOW HIS STATEMENT. > > > > > > > > > > May be in future on our own experience , we may come up with > some > > > > more inputs. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Luther Rath <rathluther@ . > com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for your feed-back Dear Adith. > > > > > All that I stated was my personal. I viewed the planets in a > more > > > > scientific way. I am not aware whether the Ancients were clear > about > > > > the revolution of the infirior planets when astrology developed; > to > > > > the extent that we understand today. I have been waiting for > > > > opportunities to find out the effect of those planets posited at > two > > > > different distances, on opposite sides of Sun but almost at the > same > > > > degree when viewed from the Earth. I am sure this hypothesis shall > not > > > > be accepted by majority of astrologers, but it is thought > provoking. > > > > > Thanks again. > > > > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > Monday, January 5, 2009 1:49:33 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > We take up the planets position and movement only on the view > from > > > > Earth. > > > > > > > > > > Even if the outer planets do not come in between the sun and > Earth, > > > > when Sun goes close to these planets degree (when we view from > Earth), > > > > (we could not see them and) they may become combust and they may > lose > > > > their strength . May be our ancients would have meant that. > > > > > But in Horary Astrology Reader 6, though he explained in detail, > at > > > > the end he has said, the do not fail to give their result because > of > > > > they become Combust. > > > > > > > > > > Hope we must analyse with our own interpretation and results > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Luther Rath <rathluther@ . > com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected seniors and friends, > > > > > I suppose, we have left the discussion on combustion half-way. > KP > > > > has not given importance to combustion in his articles.I do not > know > > > > in how many cases the occasion arised in his presentations. But he > has > > > > used Hindu aspects and conjunctions among and between different > > > > planets in various charts. Combustion is also a conjunction of > course > > > > it is with Sun not with others. So where is the objection to > consider > > > > combustion in our studies.It is sure, a combust planet is not to > be > > > > dropped from the list of significators for the Bhava where in the > > > > planet is deposited. Now I am not clear about the difference > between > > > > combustion and conjunction with Sun. What I believe is, a planet > is > > > > combust when it in in conjunction with Sun and lies inbetween the > Sun > > > > and Earth.. This is posible with Mercury, Venus and the Moon only > and > > > > not with Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Moon's such position is > New-Moon. > > > > We do appreciate the effect of the New-Moon and that of Full-Moon. > We > > > > > appreciate the difference. Venus and Mercury unlike the Moon can > be > > > > on the other side of the Sun in the same degree as well. And > perhaps > > > > this position of the planets is called conjunction with Sun. > Mercury > > > > and Venus can be therefore like-Full-Moon when they are away from > Sun > > > > and they can be like-New-Moon when they are in beyween the Sun and > > > > Earth. I am not sure how the seniors digest these my statements. > > > > Therefore the effects of these two inferior planets would be > > > > like-New-Moon and like-Full-Moon in different phages of > revolution. > > > > > I invite comments from the seniors. > > > > > With due regards. > > > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > 5th Jan. 2009. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > " padmakar_369@ " <padmakar_369@ > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:26:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected all, > > > > > > > > > > Combust means any planet within 8 deg 30 Min of the Sun is said > to > > > > be Combust. It is sonsidered as a detrimental configuration. Some > > > > seniors are taking 5 to 3 deg as combust to Sun. > > > > > > > > > > Tfyki > > > > > With Pranams to all. > > > > > Padmakar D > > > > > > > > > > Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Luther Rath > > > > > Sat, 20 Dec 2008 05:54:07 -0800 (PST) > > > > > <@ gro ups.com> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith, > > > > > In my opinion not all planets conjoined with the Sun are to be > > > > ignored from the list of significators. But before that we have to > > > > understand what exactly the condition 'combust' means.Kindly let > me > > > > know if you get a definition of 'Combust'.. Let seniors opine on > the > > > > issue. > > > > > Dr. Luther Rath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > gkadithkasinath <gkadithkasinath@ gmail.com> > > > > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:49:42 PM > > > > > Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Seniors, > > > > > > > > > > Any planet placed very close to Sun and becomes combust due to > the > > > > > rays of sun, then that planet is to be ignored from the > > > significators? . > > > > > > > > > > Kindly advise your comments! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Adith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Dear Neelam Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and attributes similar to these raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Date: Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning experience in this forum.Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on a nativity.Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better, especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets emit radio waves. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals and deliver the results of a planet.I quote Bhaskar ji here,//Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations.When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion; natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the combust planet.How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is a difference in approach. Best RegardsNeelam Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Dear Neelamji, I appreciate your well written piece, which is actually the base for what we are doing in this forum, KP astrology. The space is, but a medium of display of the VIBGYOR Waves of varying wave lengths. The theory of the cosmologists well proves how the cosmic waves emitted from the planets affect us. I cannot reproduce it over here, because its too long, and very much scientifc, to interest anyone. We as astrologers have already accepted that planets affect us, therefore I need not put any scientific revelation to vouch this. As regards to retrogression and combustion, these are important for Horary charts, but in Natal KP Charts we do not give credence to this. Personally, for me if a planet is placed in a star which represents 2 and 11, and if this star owner is placed in the 2nd which its own house then of course the results would be very much benefic. While if the same planet is placed in the star of planet signifying 2 and 11, where its placed in 2 which is its deblitation point, then the benefic effects would not be enhanced, but lesser. (This is not an actual example but just wishing to convey a point so do not search in which ascendant this example will work). I remember a case of a Horary chart, where a person was getting the figure of 1,6 and 6, who had come to an astrologer for some worry about his health. The astrologer gave him grave predictions , but when I saw the chart, I found that the planet is Lord of 1 and 6, and placed in the 6th. I was wondering how the planet placed in its own 6th house could spoil its house and cause trouble to the native. And in actual, nothing hapenned to that native, and he passed that period normally. So the rules are there, but when to expand them, and how to make use of them, is left to the personal discretions and jurisdictions of the individual astrologer. In Kp, these days we are just meddling with figures, without giving weight to the qiuality of the nakshatra or the sign in which the planet is placed, which also according to me matters much. I wish to close this thread now, because I do not wish to be targetted as a Traditional astrologer, and ostracised. best wishes, Bhaskar. , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,> > I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you all. I> have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick up the nuances> of KP System and look forward to a good learning experience in this forum.> > Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching> implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our zodiac.> Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the light and cosmic> waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar ji has added a deeper> meaning. It will be of great significance to observe the same when a planet> is combust. I am sharing my views on the topic under discussion and request> the learned members to take the probe further for better understanding of> combustion and its impact on a nativity.> > Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with visibility or> 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or sun approaches a> planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It is said to become> powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this understanding of combustion is also> the fact that Sun determines the amount of light carried by a planet. The> further away a planet is from the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of> Sun itself has an important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is> digbali on the MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest> better, especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the> results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet?> > Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets emit> radio waves. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of natural radio> waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on Earth using simple> antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human ears can't hear the> radio waves directly, they make an exciting listening experience when> converted to audio signals by a receiver.> > What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All objects> that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and moon, the> other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including us! The planets> are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the Sun, the hotter it> will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So mars is likely to emit> more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe that these radio waves also,> along with light waves, act as signals and deliver the results of a planet.> > I quote Bhaskar ji here,> > //Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon> as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive> and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the> base formed at time of his birth.//> > What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own orbits> and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat provided by the> Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements due to the enormity> of physical distances. Does combustion really affect the quality or quality> of radio waves emitted by the planets?> > As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun is not> called combustion, though astrological signification of this closeness> cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are said to afflict> the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which is also related to> eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations.> > When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and lordship),> like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the subtle meanings,> e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In fact, Sun illuminates> and enlivens the astral qualities of that planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a> native intellectually brilliant while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven> may polish finer sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the> externalized or gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when> combust lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion;> natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.> > In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. This> conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. Nature of> conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal rulership. Matters> of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on cusp) are also seen to> dominate the matters of the house ruled by the combust planet.> > How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other planetary> waves with the significations of the planets and how far combustion will> obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have learned opinions on> this. I would also appreciate if some one can guide me as to how combustion> is to be taken in KP System, if there is a difference in approach.> > Best Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear Sir, With due appology I would like to write the following. This is neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from Tradition. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance. With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath. Raichur-a-r <raichurar Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AMRe: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Neelam Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and attributes similar to these raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun@gro ups.comSaturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning experience in this forum.Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on a nativity.Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better, especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets emit radio waves. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals and deliver the results of a planet.I quote Bhaskar ji here,//Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations.When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion; natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the combust planet.How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is a difference in approach. Best RegardsNeelam Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear Luther Rath, Our late Guruji Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji is very clear on the point,that K.P. does not recognise combustion,exaltatation/debilitation etc to influence the results given by planets... With kind regards, L.Y.Rao. Luther Rath <rathluther Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 7:40:09 AMRe: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Sir, With due appology I would like to write the following. This is neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from Tradition. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance. With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath. Raichur-a-r <raichurar >@gro ups.comCc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AMRe: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Neelam Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and attributes similar to these raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun@gro ups.comSaturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning experience in this forum.Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on a nativity.Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better, especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets emit radio waves. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals and deliver the results of a planet.I quote Bhaskar ji here,//Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations.When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion; natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the combust planet.How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is a difference in approach. Best RegardsNeelam Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji and Dr. Rath,I thank you for your valuable comments. RegardsNeelam2009/1/12 Luther Rath <rathluther Dear Sir, With due appology I would like to write the following. This is neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from Tradition. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance. With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath. Raichur-a-r <raichurar Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AM Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Neelam Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and attributes similar to these raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun @gro ups.comSaturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning experience in this forum. Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on a nativity. Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better, especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets emit radio waves. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals and deliver the results of a planet. I quote Bhaskar ji here,//Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.// What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets? As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations. When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion; natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm. In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the combust planet. How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is a difference in approach. Best RegardsNeelam Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear Dr. Luther Rath and Friends, 1. For the finding of the KP research study on combustion, pl refer the KP Reader VI pp 147-154 as done in Msg#21349. 2. For the meaning and views of East and West, pl refer the attached links. 3. In support of the KP finding, many impirical studies have shown the idea that a planet within a few degrees of the Sun is rendered ineffective or 'combust' to be invalid, for instance: 1) G. Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology, England, 1977, p 333 2) H. Beer: Les Cahiers Astrologiques No 6, Nice, 1946, pp 294-297 3) Church of Light: Astrology 30 Years Research, ed D.C. Doane, Los Angeles, 1956, p 184 4) E. Symours: La Combustion, Nice, 1946, pp 22, 55 Regards, tw EASTERN http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-030606.htm http://www.astrovidya.com/combustion.html http://www.soulhealing.com/ApproachingJyotish.htm http://www.astrojyoti.com/lesson7.htm http://www.mooltrikona.com/weaknesspart1.htm http://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/vediclesson5.htm http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/Asrology/Judgement.htm http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/combust.htm http://www.yournetastrologer.com/faqcomb.htm http://www.yournetastrologer.com/learn_astrology34.htm http://www.srigaruda.com/front/2007/02/24/grahana-pata-gocara-nodal-transits/#mo\ re-169 WESTERN http://juliedemboski.wordpress.com/mercury-combust-and-retrograde/ http://www.newagevillage.com/astrology/combust.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/combust.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cazimi_(astrological_aspect) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combust_(astrological_aspect) http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2004/05_combustvenus_pr.htm http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/whengetpaidexample.html http://www.loveisinthestars.com/channels/astrologytips/combustion.asp http://www.astrologyweekly.com/special-horary/combust.php , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Dear Sir, > With due appology I would like to write the following. This is neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from Tradition.. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance. > With due regards. > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > ________________________________ > Raichur-a-r <raichurar > > Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AM > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > Dear Neelam > Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO > If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and attributes similar to these > > > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609 > > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > @gro ups.com > Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members, > > I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning experience in this forum. > > Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on a nativity. > > Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better, especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? > > Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets emit radio waves.. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver. > > What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals and deliver the results of a planet. > > I quote Bhaskar ji here, > > //Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.// > > What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets? > > As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations. > > When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion; natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm. > > In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the combust planet. > > How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is a difference in approach. > > Best Regards > Neelam > > > > ________________________________ > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 i agree raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Mon, 12/1/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Date: Monday, 12 January, 2009, 7:36 PM Dear Luther Rath, Our late Guruji Shri K.S.Krishnamurthiji is very clear on the point,that K.P. does not recognise combustion,exaltatation/debilitation etc to influence the results given by planets... With kind regards, L.Y.Rao. Luther Rath <rathluther Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 7:40:09 AMRe: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Sir, With due appology I would like to write the following. This is neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from Tradition. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance. With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath. Raichur-a-r <raichurar >@gro ups.comCc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AMRe: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Neelam Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and attributes similar to these raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609--- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun@gro ups.comSaturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning experience in this forum.Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on a nativity.Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better, especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets emit radio waves. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals and deliver the results of a planet.I quote Bhaskar ji here,//Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations.When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion; natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the combust planet.How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is a difference in approach. Best RegardsNeelam Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Dear Dr.Luther jee, With due respect to all Gurujan i would like to say some reason behind a clear decision given by our Gurujans about the some subject. May be they feel that subject is so complex to understand or may be controversial one among different opinion of School.It will create some basic fundamental issue for the base of Astrology.They did not want to divert the attention of their follower on other subject.On as such subject they gives clear decision,not gives any description.It's not mean that they have not analyse the subject well,we can't assume it. But some student follows the decision and some willing to know the real truth behind the decision or conclusion.It's not mean they are doing disobey his Guruji's decision,they want to learn more on that subject or satisfy his questions which arise in their mind.Guruji himself like to give answer those student if question is not so irrelevant. I agree with all members who wish to follow the concept of the forum,as KP system,which we must follow.But some more arrows in their bucket will be useful. Neelamji have posted her good introductory message on 'Combustion theory',she is scientist after all.But seniors are not interested for further any discussion on this subject,i feel so.Some members have oppose on the thought of any combustion,dilation and retraction because KPjee have given clear instruction. I also feel about combustion of any planet as KPjee have stated.External effects as like skin rashes or delay in marriage are the effects of other planetary position also.We have to analyse the same.It is my view,others may have experienced different. Tw jee have given so much material on 'Combustion' i will take time to learn all,thanks Sir for this.I have not any book of KPjee at presently so i could not see the reference which you have mentioned. I apologize in advance if any body feel ill,that is not my intention at all.My intention is, we must keep open our mind for new thought which make our blade more sharp. Thanks, M.S.Bohra , " tw853 " <tw853 wrote: > > Dear Dr. Luther Rath and Friends, > > 1. For the finding of the KP research study on combustion, pl refer > the KP Reader VI pp 147-154 as done in Msg#21349. > > 2. For the meaning and views of East and West, pl refer the attached > links. > > 3. In support of the KP finding, many impirical studies have shown the > idea that a planet within a few degrees of the Sun is rendered > ineffective or 'combust' to be invalid, for instance: > 1) G. Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology, England, 1977, p 333 > 2) H. Beer: Les Cahiers Astrologiques No 6, Nice, 1946, pp 294-297 > 3) Church of Light: Astrology 30 Years Research, ed D.C. Doane, Los > Angeles, 1956, p 184 > 4) E. Symours: La Combustion, Nice, 1946, pp 22, 55 > > Regards, > > tw > > > EASTERN > http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/dailyjyotish-030606.htm > http://www.astrovidya.com/combustion.html > http://www.soulhealing.com/ApproachingJyotish.htm > http://www.astrojyoti.com/lesson7.htm > http://www.mooltrikona.com/weaknesspart1.htm > http://www.aryabhatt.com/vediclessons/vediclesson5.htm > http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/Asrology/Judgement.htm > http://www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Topics/combust.htm > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/faqcomb.htm > http://www.yournetastrologer.com/learn_astrology34.htm > http://www.srigaruda.com/front/2007/02/24/grahana-pata-gocara-nodal-transits/#mo\ re-169 > > > WESTERN > http://juliedemboski.wordpress.com/mercury-combust-and-retrograde/ > http://www.newagevillage.com/astrology/combust.html > http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/combust.php > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cazimi_(astrological_aspect) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combust_(astrological_aspect) > http://www.world-of-wisdom.com/04_articles/2004/05_combustvenus_pr.htm > http://www.renaissanceastrology.com/whengetpaidexample.html > http://www.loveisinthestars.com/channels/astrologytips/combustion.asp > http://www.astrologyweekly.com/special-horary/combust.php > > > > > , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > With due appology I would like to write the following. This is > neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from > Tradition.. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am > not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or > because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any > other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and > exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in > later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance. > > With due regards. > > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> > > > > Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AM > > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > > > > > Dear Neelam > > Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO > > If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and > attributes similar to these > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609 > > > > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> > > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members, > > > > I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you > all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick > up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning > experience in this forum. > > > > Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching > implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our > zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the > light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar > ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to > observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on > the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the > probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on > a nativity. > > > > Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with > visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or > sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It > is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this > understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the > amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from > the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an > important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the > MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better, > especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the > results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? > > > > Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets > emit radio waves.. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of > natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on > Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human > ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting > listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver. > > > > What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All > objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and > moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including > us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the > Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So > mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe > that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals > and deliver the results of a planet. > > > > I quote Bhaskar ji here, > > > > //Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body > as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same > baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or > transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.// > > > > What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own > orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat > provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements > due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really > affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets? > > > > As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun > is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this > closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are > said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which > is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esoteric delineations. > > > > When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and > lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the > subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In > fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that > planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant > while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer > sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or > gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust > lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion; > natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm. > > > > In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun. > This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs. > Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal > rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on > cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the > combust planet. > > > > How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other > planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far > combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have > learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can > guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is > a difference in approach. > > > > Best Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2009 Report Share Posted January 14, 2009 Dear Bohraji, and all Thanks for valuable message of Bohraji. Guruji KSK did not begin stellar astrology at once of his own. He was a traditional astrologer and introduced the new concept of Stellar Astrology.While doing so he has not kept traditional Astrology aside. He followed the 12 signs as before. He used the 27 constellations as before. He followed the conjunctions between the planets and cusps. He accepted the role of non-existant Nodes as planets. He used the Hindu aspects between planet to planet and planet to cusp from Traditional astrology. So Tradition was not untouchable to him. He did definitly wante to discard the different Yogas. He has considered the nature and character of differnt planets as per tradition. He has accepted the portfoleo of different Bhavas as per tradition. In such a case why should we close our eyes and mind towards other Traditional concepts untill they are disprooved. I think we should not be so orthodox in this mater. Different individual should take up study on different topics exclusivele.We have gems and masterminds in our group. Some are engineers, some are scientists and some are PhD holders. So nothing is imposible. Instead of grabing many topics one should sincerely take up one topic only to find a conclusion. Other should feed him with adequate data for adding to his own stock. I would sincerely request my friends to please provide me birth data of persons who remained unmarried untill at least 50 years of age. May they be of any status. I shall be ever grateful for their this great help. With due regards to all. Dr. Luther Rath With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath msbohra62 <msbohra62 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:33:32 PM Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Dr.Luther jee,With due respect to all Gurujan i would like to say some reason behinda clear decision given by our Gurujans about the some subject.May be they feel that subject is so complex to understand or may becontroversial one among different opinion of School.It will createsome basic fundamental issue for the base of Astrology.They did notwant to divert the attention of their follower on other subject.On assuch subject they gives clear decision,not gives any description. It'snot mean that they have not analyse the subject well,we can't assume it.But some student follows the decision and some willing to know thereal truth behind the decision or conclusion.It' s not mean they aredoing disobey his Guruji's decision,they want to learn more on thatsubject or satisfy his questions which arise in their mind.Gurujihimself like to give answer those student if question is not soirrelevant.I agree with all members who wish to follow the concept of theforum,as KP system,which we must follow.But some more arrows in theirbucket will be useful.Neelamji have posted her good introductory message on 'Combustiontheory',she is scientist after all.But seniors are not interested forfurther any discussion on this subject,i feel so.Some members haveoppose on the thought of any combustion,dilation and retractionbecause KPjee have given clear instruction.I also feel about combustion of any planet as KPjee havestated.External effects as like skin rashes or delay in marriage arethe effects of other planetary position also.We have to analyse thesame.It is my view,others may have experienced different.Tw jee have given so much material on 'Combustion' i will take time tolearn all,thanks Sir for this.I have not any book of KPjee atpresently so i could not see the reference which you have mentioned.I apologize in advance if any body feel ill,that is not my intentionat all.My intention is, we must keep open our mind for new thoughtwhich make our blade more sharp.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Dr. Luther Rath and Friends,> > 1. For the finding of the KP research study on combustion, pl refer> the KP Reader VI pp 147-154 as done in Msg#21349. > > 2. For the meaning and views of East and West, pl refer the attached > links.> > 3. In support of the KP finding, many impirical studies have shown the> idea that a planet within a few degrees of the Sun is rendered> ineffective or 'combust' to be invalid, for instance: > 1) G. Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology, England, 1977, p 333> 2) H. Beer: Les Cahiers Astrologiques No 6, Nice, 1946, pp 294-297> 3) Church of Light: Astrology 30 Years Research, ed D.C. Doane, Los> Angeles, 1956, p 184> 4) E. Symours: La Combustion, Nice, 1946, pp 22, 55 > > Regards,> > tw> > > EASTERN> http://www.lightonv edicastrology. com/dailyjyotish -030606.htm> http://www.astrovid ya.com/combustio n.html> http://www.soulheal ing.com/Approach ingJyotish. htm> http://www.astrojyo ti.com/lesson7. htm> http://www.mooltrik ona.com/weakness part1.htm> http://www.aryabhat t.com/vediclesso ns/vediclesson5. htm> http://www.vegetari an-restaurants. net/Asrology/ Judgement. htm> http://www.barbarap ijan.com/ bpa/Topics/ combust.htm> http://www.yourneta strologer. com/faqcomb. htm> http://www.yourneta strologer. com/learn_ astrology34. htm>http://www.srigarud a.com/front/ 2007/02/24/ grahana-pata- gocara-nodal- transits/ #more-169> > > WESTERN> http://juliedembosk i.wordpress. com/mercury- combust-and- retrograde/> http://www.newagevi llage.com/ astrology/ combust.html> http://www.astrolog yweekly.com/ dictionary/ combust.php> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cazimi_(astrological_ aspect)> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Combust_(astrological_ aspect)> http://www.world- of-wisdom. com/04_articles/ 2004/05_combustv enus_pr.htm> http://www.renaissa nceastrology. com/whengetpaide xample.html> http://www.loveisin thestars. com/channels/ astrologytips/ combustion. asp> http://www.astrolog yweekly.com/ special-horary/ combust.php> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > With due appology I would like to write the following. This is> neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from> Tradition.. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am> not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or> because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any> other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and> exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in> later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance.> > With due regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@>> > @gro ups.com> > Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ >> > Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AM> > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > Dear Neelam> > Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO> > If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and> attributes similar to these> > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> > > > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,> > > > I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you> all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick> up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning> experience in this forum.> > > > Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching> implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our> zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the> light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar> ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to> observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on> the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the> probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on> a nativity.> > > > Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with> visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or> sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It> is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this> understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the> amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from> the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an> important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the> MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better,> especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the> results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? > > > > Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets> emit radio waves.. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of> natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on> Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human> ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting> listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.> > > > What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All> objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and> moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including> us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the> Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So> mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe> that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals> and deliver the results of a planet.> > > > I quote Bhaskar ji here,> > > > //Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body> as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same> baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or> transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//> > > > What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own> orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat> provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements> due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really> affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?> > > > As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun> is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this> closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are> said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which> is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esotericdelineations.> > > > When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and> lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the> subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In> fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that> planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant> while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer> sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or> gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust> lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion;> natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.> > > > In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun.> This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs.> Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal> rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on> cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the> combust planet.> > > > How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other> planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far> combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have> learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can> guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is> a difference in approach. > > > > Best Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Dear Luther I accept your view that Mr.KSK is a vedic astrologer only. He developed the sublord system from Vimsothari dasa system which is 100% vedic. Mr.KSK has blindly accepted the vimsothari dasa system as correct one. He followed the vedic karakathwa of planets and houses. Placidous house division is an improvement to the Sripathy house system. As such the only major difference is in vedic bhava middle is taken as house start and in KP bhava begin is taken as house start. Mr. KSK copied the bhava begin method from west. Whereas, in west, Sayana system is followed. Whether to use bhava begin or bhava middle is still a debatable issue only. Hence we should give importance to the tradition system also. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 12:50 AM Dear Bohraji, and all Thanks for valuable message of Bohraji. Guruji KSK did not begin stellar astrology at once of his own. He was a traditional astrologer and introduced the new concept of Stellar Astrology.While doing so he has not kept traditional Astrology aside. He followed the 12 signs as before. He used the 27 constellations as before. He followed the conjunctions between the planets and cusps. He accepted the role of non-existant Nodes as planets. He used the Hindu aspects between planet to planet and planet to cusp from Traditional astrology. So Tradition was not untouchable to him. He did definitly wante to discard the different Yogas. He has considered the nature and character of differnt planets as per tradition. He has accepted the portfoleo of different Bhavas as per tradition. In such a case why should we close our eyes and mind towards other Traditional concepts untill they are disprooved. I think we should not be so orthodox in this mater. Different individual should take up study on different topics exclusivele. We have gems and masterminds in our group. Some are engineers, some are scientists and some are PhD holders. So nothing is imposible. Instead of grabing many topics one should sincerely take up one topic only to find a conclusion. Other should feed him with adequate data for adding to his own stock. I would sincerely request my friends to please provide me birth data of persons who remained unmarried untill at least 50 years of age. May they be of any status. I shall be ever grateful for their this great help. With due regards to all. Dr. Luther Rath With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comTuesday, January 13, 2009 3:33:32 PM Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Dr.Luther jee,With due respect to all Gurujan i would like to say some reason behinda clear decision given by our Gurujans about the some subject.May be they feel that subject is so complex to understand or may becontroversial one among different opinion of School.It will createsome basic fundamental issue for the base of Astrology.They did notwant to divert the attention of their follower on other subject.On assuch subject they gives clear decision,not gives any description. It'snot mean that they have not analyse the subject well,we can't assume it.But some student follows the decision and some willing to know thereal truth behind the decision or conclusion.It' s not mean they aredoing disobey his Guruji's decision,they want to learn more on thatsubject or satisfy his questions which arise in their mind.Gurujihimself like to give answer those student if question is not soirrelevant.I agree with all members who wish to follow the concept of theforum,as KP system,which we must follow.But some more arrows in theirbucket will be useful.Neelamji have posted her good introductory message on 'Combustiontheory',she is scientist after all.But seniors are not interested forfurther any discussion on this subject,i feel so.Some members haveoppose on the thought of any combustion,dilation and retractionbecause KPjee have given clear instruction.I also feel about combustion of any planet as KPjee havestated.External effects as like skin rashes or delay in marriage arethe effects of other planetary position also.We have to analyse thesame.It is my view,others may have experienced different.Tw jee have given so much material on 'Combustion' i will take time tolearn all,thanks Sir for this.I have not any book of KPjee atpresently so i could not see the reference which you have mentioned.I apologize in advance if any body feel ill,that is not my intentionat all.My intention is, we must keep open our mind for new thoughtwhich make our blade more sharp.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Dr. Luther Rath and Friends,> > 1. For the finding of the KP research study on combustion, pl refer> the KP Reader VI pp 147-154 as done in Msg#21349. > > 2. For the meaning and views of East and West, pl refer the attached > links.> > 3. In support of the KP finding, many impirical studies have shown the> idea that a planet within a few degrees of the Sun is rendered> ineffective or 'combust' to be invalid, for instance: > 1) G. Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology, England, 1977, p 333> 2) H. Beer: Les Cahiers Astrologiques No 6, Nice, 1946, pp 294-297> 3) Church of Light: Astrology 30 Years Research, ed D.C. Doane, Los> Angeles, 1956, p 184> 4) E. Symours: La Combustion, Nice, 1946, pp 22, 55 > > Regards,> > tw> > > EASTERN> http://www.lightonv edicastrology. com/dailyjyotish -030606.htm> http://www.astrovid ya.com/combustio n.html> http://www.soulheal ing.com/Approach ingJyotish. htm> http://www.astrojyo ti.com/lesson7. htm> http://www.mooltrik ona.com/weakness part1.htm> http://www.aryabhat t.com/vediclesso ns/vediclesson5. htm> http://www.vegetari an-restaurants. net/Asrology/ Judgement. htm> http://www.barbarap ijan.com/ bpa/Topics/ combust.htm> http://www.yourneta strologer. com/faqcomb. htm> http://www.yourneta strologer. com/learn_ astrology34. htm>http://www.srigarud a.com/front/ 2007/02/24/ grahana-pata- gocara-nodal- transits/ #more-169> > > WESTERN> http://juliedembosk i.wordpress. com/mercury- combust-and- retrograde/> http://www.newagevi llage.com/ astrology/ combust.html> http://www.astrolog yweekly.com/ dictionary/ combust.php> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cazimi_(astrological_ aspect)> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Combust_(astrological_ aspect)> http://www.world- of-wisdom. com/04_articles/ 2004/05_combustv enus_pr.htm> http://www.renaissa nceastrology. com/whengetpaide xample.html> http://www.loveisin thestars. com/channels/ astrologytips/ combustion. asp> http://www.astrolog yweekly.com/ special-horary/ combust.php> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > With due appology I would like to write the following. This is> neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from> Tradition.. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am> not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or> because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any> other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and> exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in> later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance.> > With due regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@>> > @gro ups.com> > Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ >> > Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AM> > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > Dear Neelam> > Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO> > If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and> attributes similar to these> > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> > > > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,> > > > I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you> all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick> up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning> experience in this forum.> > > > Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching> implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our> zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the> light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar> ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to> observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on> the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the> probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on> a nativity.> > > > Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with> visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or> sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It> is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this> understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the> amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from> the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an> important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the> MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better,> especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the> results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? > > > > Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets> emit radio waves.. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of> natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on> Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human> ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting> listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.> > > > What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All> objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and> moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including> us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the> Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So> mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe> that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals> and deliver the results of a planet.> > > > I quote Bhaskar ji here,> > > > //Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body> as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same> baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or> transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//> > > > What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own> orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat> provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements> due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really> affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?> > > > As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun> is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this> closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are> said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which> is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esotericdelineations.> > > > When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and> lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the> subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In> fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that> planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant> while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer> sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or> gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust> lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion;> natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.> > > > In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun.> This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs.> Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal> rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on> cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the> combust planet.> > > > How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other> planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far> combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have> learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can> guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is> a difference in approach. > > > > Best Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Respected Dhanbalanji, First of all please accept my respect. After long time I found you in the group. I am so happy to have your comments to day. With regards. Dr. Luther Rath Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:49:09 PMRe: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Luther I accept your view that Mr.KSK is a vedic astrologer only. He developed the sublord system from Vimsothari dasa system which is 100% vedic. Mr.KSK has blindly accepted the vimsothari dasa system as correct one. He followed the vedic karakathwa of planets and houses. Placidous house division is an improvement to the Sripathy house system. As such the only major difference is in vedic bhava middle is taken as house start and in KP bhava begin is taken as house start. Mr. KSK copied the bhava begin method from west. Whereas, in west, Sayana system is followed. Whether to use bhava begin or bhava middle is still a debatable issue only. Hence we should give importance to the tradition system also. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Luther Rath <rathluther > wrote: Luther Rath <rathluther >Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun@gro ups.comWednesday, January 14, 2009, 12:50 AM Dear Bohraji, and all Thanks for valuable message of Bohraji. Guruji KSK did not begin stellar astrology at once of his own. He was a traditional astrologer and introduced the new concept of Stellar Astrology.While doing so he has not kept traditional Astrology aside. He followed the 12 signs as before. He used the 27 constellations as before. He followed the conjunctions between the planets and cusps. He accepted the role of non-existant Nodes as planets. He used the Hindu aspects between planet to planet and planet to cusp from Traditional astrology. So Tradition was not untouchable to him. He did definitly wante to discard the different Yogas. He has considered the nature and character of differnt planets as per tradition. He has accepted the portfoleo of different Bhavas as per tradition. In such a case why should we close our eyes and mind towards other Traditional concepts untill they are disprooved. I think we should not be so orthodox in this mater. Different individual should take up study on different topics exclusivele. We have gems and masterminds in our group. Some are engineers, some are scientists and some are PhD holders. So nothing is imposible. Instead of grabing many topics one should sincerely take up one topic only to find a conclusion. Other should feed him with adequate data for adding to his own stock. I would sincerely request my friends to please provide me birth data of persons who remained unmarried untill at least 50 years of age. May they be of any status. I shall be ever grateful for their this great help. With due regards to all. Dr. Luther Rath With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath msbohra62 <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comTuesday, January 13, 2009 3:33:32 PM Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun Dear Dr.Luther jee,With due respect to all Gurujan i would like to say some reason behinda clear decision given by our Gurujans about the some subject.May be they feel that subject is so complex to understand or may becontroversial one among different opinion of School.It will createsome basic fundamental issue for the base of Astrology.They did notwant to divert the attention of their follower on other subject.On assuch subject they gives clear decision,not gives any description. It'snot mean that they have not analyse the subject well,we can't assume it.But some student follows the decision and some willing to know thereal truth behind the decision or conclusion.It' s not mean they aredoing disobey his Guruji's decision,they want to learn more on thatsubject or satisfy his questions which arise in their mind.Gurujihimself like to give answer those student if question is not soirrelevant.I agree with all members who wish to follow the concept of theforum,as KP system,which we must follow.But some more arrows in theirbucket will be useful.Neelamji have posted her good introductory message on 'Combustiontheory',she is scientist after all.But seniors are not interested forfurther any discussion on this subject,i feel so.Some members haveoppose on the thought of any combustion,dilation and retractionbecause KPjee have given clear instruction.I also feel about combustion of any planet as KPjee havestated.External effects as like skin rashes or delay in marriage arethe effects of other planetary position also.We have to analyse thesame.It is my view,others may have experienced different.Tw jee have given so much material on 'Combustion' i will take time tolearn all,thanks Sir for this.I have not any book of KPjee atpresently so i could not see the reference which you have mentioned.I apologize in advance if any body feel ill,that is not my intentionat all.My intention is, we must keep open our mind for new thoughtwhich make our blade more sharp.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Dr. Luther Rath and Friends,> > 1. For the finding of the KP research study on combustion, pl refer> the KP Reader VI pp 147-154 as done in Msg#21349. > > 2. For the meaning and views of East and West, pl refer the attached > links.> > 3. In support of the KP finding, many impirical studies have shown the> idea that a planet within a few degrees of the Sun is rendered> ineffective or 'combust' to be invalid, for instance: > 1) G. Dean: Recent Advances in Natal Astrology, England, 1977, p 333> 2) H. Beer: Les Cahiers Astrologiques No 6, Nice, 1946, pp 294-297> 3) Church of Light: Astrology 30 Years Research, ed D.C. Doane, Los> Angeles, 1956, p 184> 4) E. Symours: La Combustion, Nice, 1946, pp 22, 55 > > Regards,> > tw> > > EASTERN> http://www.lightonv edicastrology. com/dailyjyotish -030606.htm> http://www.astrovid ya.com/combustio n.html> http://www.soulheal ing.com/Approach ingJyotish. htm> http://www.astrojyo ti.com/lesson7. htm> http://www.mooltrik ona.com/weakness part1.htm> http://www.aryabhat t.com/vediclesso ns/vediclesson5. htm> http://www.vegetari an-restaurants. net/Asrology/ Judgement. htm> http://www.barbarap ijan.com/ bpa/Topics/ combust.htm> http://www.yourneta strologer. com/faqcomb. htm> http://www.yourneta strologer. com/learn_ astrology34. htm>http://www.srigarud a.com/front/ 2007/02/24/ grahana-pata- gocara-nodal- transits/ #more-169> > > WESTERN> http://juliedembosk i.wordpress. com/mercury- combust-and- retrograde/> http://www.newagevi llage.com/ astrology/ combust.html> http://www.astrolog yweekly.com/ dictionary/ combust.php> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cazimi_(astrological_ aspect)> http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Combust_(astrological_ aspect)> http://www.world- of-wisdom. com/04_articles/ 2004/05_combustv enus_pr.htm> http://www.renaissa nceastrology. com/whengetpaide xample.html> http://www.loveisin thestars. com/channels/ astrologytips/ combustion. asp> http://www.astrolog yweekly.com/ special-horary/ combust.php> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> > With due appology I would like to write the following. This is> neither ardictum nor a rule. In fact KP has no doubt emerged from> Tradition.. KSK has elaborated some points and left over some. I am> not sure if he left sertain ponts because he was not in favor, or> because he had no time to take up such points for research or for any> other reason. So we should kepp our mind open for combustion and> exalttion etc. Iven if we do not give importance to these now, in> later stages we may discard them totaly or bring in to importance.> > With due regards.> > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@>> > @gro ups.com> > Cc: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ >> > Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:23:06 AM> > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > > > > > Dear Neelam> > Do not mix KP and Tradition ASTRO> > If you are following KP, then ignore combustion, exaltion and> attributes similar to these> > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai phone 25062609> > > > --- On Sat, 10/1/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > Re: Re: Planet - Combust due to Sun> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, 10 January, 2009, 1:33 PM> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Bohra ji and Other Learned Members,> > > > I am a new entrant to this august forum and I pay my regards to you> all. I have been following traditional astrology but am keen to pick> up the nuances of KP System and look forward to a good learning> experience in this forum.> > > > Combustion is an interesting phenomenon and has some far reaching> implications in the predictive, Sun being the powerhouse of our> zodiac. Bohra ji has raised some interesting points regarding the> light and cosmic waves being emitted from a planet, to which Bhaskar> ji has added a deeper meaning. It will be of great significance to> observe the same when a planet is combust. I am sharing my views on> the topic under discussion and request the learned members to take the> probe further for better understanding of combustion and its impact on> a nativity.> > > > Traditionally it is believed that combustion has to do with> visibility or 'sighting' of a planet. When a planet approaches sun, or> sun approaches a planet (as in outer planets) we loose sight of it. It> is said to become powerless, Ast or Burnt. Crucial to this> understanding of combustion is also the fact that Sun determines the> amount of light carried by a planet. The further away a planet is from> the Sun, more light it reflects. Sighting of Sun itself has an> important reflection in the chart. We know that Sun is digbali on the> MC. The planets in the visible half are said to manifest better,> especially for longevity. Should we also differentiate between the> results of a combust visible planet and a combust invisible planet? > > > > Regarding the cosmic waves, it has now been proved that all planets> emit radio waves.. Jupiter, e.g., is a source of powerful bursts of> natural radio waves that can produce exotic sounds when picked up on> Earth using simple antennas and shortwave receivers. Even though human> ears can't hear the radio waves directly, they make an exciting> listening experience when converted to audio signals by a receiver.> > > > What is the impact of Sun on the radio emissions by the planets? All> objects that are warm emit some radio waves. It includes the Earth and> moon, the other planets in our solar system, and all bodies including> us! The planets are heated by the Sun. The closer the planet is to the> Sun, the hotter it will be, and the more radio waves it will emit. So> mars is likely to emit more radio waves than Jupiter. We may believe> that these radio waves also, along with light waves, act as signals> and deliver the results of a planet.> > > > I quote Bhaskar ji here,> > > > //Cosmic waves emitting from the planets which effect the human body> as soon as it takes it first breath-inhalation, and also when the same> baby is alive and growing throughout his Life through Gochar or> transit, vis a vis the base formed at time of his birth.//> > > > What happens then in combustion? The planets are moving in their own> orbits and combustion is a phenomenon of sight. The amount of heat> provided by the Sun is not be affected significantly in such movements> due to the enormity of physical distances. Does combustion really> affect the quality or quality of radio waves emitted by the planets?> > > > As for the nodes, they are special points and their closeness to Sun> is not called combustion, though astrological signification of this> closeness cannot be denied. On the contrary, it is the nodes who are> said to afflict the Sun. I think this is a different phenomenon, which> is also related to eclipses and find better uses in esotericdelineations.> > > > When a planet is combust, its gross significations (of planet and> lordship), like body parts, relations, etc, seem to suffer, but the> subtle meanings, e.g psyche and mental functions are not spoiled. In> fact, Sun illuminates and enlivens the astral qualities of that> planet. E.g sun+mer often makes a native intellectually brilliant> while giving him a rough skin and sun+ven may polish finer> sensibities, but might delay marriage. Regarding the externalized or> gross qualities it may be said that natural benefics, when combust> lose their beneficence in proportion to the closeness of combustion;> natural malefics may gain ability to do more harm.> > > > In a way, the combust planet seems to get conditioned by the Sun.> This conditioning manifests in the house where combustion occurs.> Nature of conditioning may be seen by the Sun's natural and natal> rulership. Matters of the house ruled by sun (or house having leo on> cusp) are also seen to dominate the matters of the house ruled by the> combust planet.> > > > How do we then correlate the light (quantity/quality) and other> planetary waves with the significations of the planets and how far> combustion will obscure those significations? I shall be glad to have> learned opinions on this. I would also appreciate if some one can> guide me as to how combustion is to be taken in KP System, if there is> a difference in approach. > > > > Best Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.