Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.comSunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned " Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father " -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote: Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Sirs, Certain things we have accept and adopt as it is. In vimsottari Sun was allotted 6years whereas Sat was allotted 19 years. Many tried to analyse this and in vain. Mantreswara or Kalidasa, I dont remember suggested 10th as father's house. Basically K.P. is developed on the prinipals of Vedic astrology. Please go to the page 248 of "Fundamental principles of Astrology" the Second Reader where can read the lines "Moon representing the mother and owning the fourth house indicates that the person will love his country and his home. As per Jothidmannan KSK also moon represents mother as well as fourth house. --- On Wed, 17/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalakaRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Date: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008, 2:44 PM dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned "Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father" -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Gopalachary, Your statement "many tried to analyse this in vain"...! I have in the past,posted the rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa,on this site... The reasons for the number of years to each planet has been clarified... The article by the late Pt.K.R.Kar was reproduced verbatim,by me... The Vth from the IXth is hence the IXth house for Father and the IVth house for Mother is very correct indeed... The Xth is for mainly profession,employment,promotion,pilgrimage disposal of immoveable property, etc.,as per K.P., Kindly refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part III...Pp55-56. L.Y.Rao. Gopalachary p.m. <karivadana Sent: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008 4:57:44 PMRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Sirs, Certain things we have accept and adopt as it is. In vimsottari Sun was allotted 6years whereas Sat was allotted 19 years. Many tried to analyse this and in vain. Mantreswara or Kalidasa, I dont remember suggested 10th as father's house. Basically K.P. is developed on the prinipals of Vedic astrology. Please go to the page 248 of "Fundamental principles of Astrology" the Second Reader where can read the lines "Moon representing the mother and owning the fourth house indicates that the person will love his country and his home. As per Jothidmannan KSK also moon represents mother as well as fourth house. --- On Wed, 17/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008, 2:44 PM dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned "Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father" -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Dear All, The current question of discussion that why 9th House should be taken for father, was the one which always also put me into confusion, but the answer to it i got in KP 2nd reader, FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF ASTROLOGY, which says, " Hindus attribute the 9th house to father because the ninth sign of zodiac Dhanus (Saggittarius) is ruled by 'guru" the Perceptor and spiritual teacher. In ancient times, the father was invariably the spiritual perceptor or guru of the children to whom he did initiate Brahma Upadesam and transmits his siddhis or psychic powers. Counting the 9th house as 1st, we find that the fifth therefrom indicates the native. Always take the 9th house for father." Yogita--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 6:05 AM Dear Gopalachary, Your statement "many tried to analyse this in vain"...! I have in the past,posted the rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa,on this site... The reasons for the number of years to each planet has been clarified... The article by the late Pt.K.R.Kar was reproduced verbatim,by me... The Vth from the IXth is hence the IXth house for Father and the IVth house for Mother is very correct indeed... The Xth is for mainly profession,employme nt,promotion, pilgrimage disposal of immoveable property, etc.,as per K.P., Kindly refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part III...Pp55-56. L.Y.Rao. Gopalachary p.m. <karivadana (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008 4:57:44 PMRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Sirs, Certain things we have accept and adopt as it is. In vimsottari Sun was allotted 6years whereas Sat was allotted 19 years. Many tried to analyse this and in vain. Mantreswara or Kalidasa, I dont remember suggested 10th as father's house. Basically K.P. is developed on the prinipals of Vedic astrology. Please go to the page 248 of "Fundamental principles of Astrology" the Second Reader where can read the lines "Moon representing the mother and owning the fourth house indicates that the person will love his country and his home. As per Jothidmannan KSK also moon represents mother as well as fourth house. --- On Wed, 17/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008, 2:44 PM dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned "Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father" -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 Dear All, Thanks for responding on the matter with related refferances. With regards, Neeraj --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Yogita Purohit <yogitapurohit wrote: Yogita Purohit <yogitapurohitRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 4:10 AM Dear All, The current question of discussion that why 9th House should be taken for father, was the one which always also put me into confusion, but the answer to it i got in KP 2nd reader, FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF ASTROLOGY, which says, " Hindus attribute the 9th house to father because the ninth sign of zodiac Dhanus (Saggittarius) is ruled by 'guru" the Perceptor and spiritual teacher. In ancient times, the father was invariably the spiritual perceptor or guru of the children to whom he did initiate Brahma Upadesam and transmits his siddhis or psychic powers. Counting the 9th house as 1st, we find that the fifth therefrom indicates the native. Always take the 9th house for father." Yogita--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, December 17, 2008, 6:05 AM Dear Gopalachary, Your statement "many tried to analyse this in vain"...! I have in the past,posted the rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa,on this site... The reasons for the number of years to each planet has been clarified... The article by the late Pt.K.R.Kar was reproduced verbatim,by me... The Vth from the IXth is hence the IXth house for Father and the IVth house for Mother is very correct indeed... The Xth is for mainly profession,employme nt,promotion, pilgrimage disposal of immoveable property, etc.,as per K.P., Kindly refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part III...Pp55-56. L.Y.Rao. Gopalachary p.m. <karivadana (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008 4:57:44 PMRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Sirs, Certain things we have accept and adopt as it is. In vimsottari Sun was allotted 6years whereas Sat was allotted 19 years. Many tried to analyse this and in vain. Mantreswara or Kalidasa, I dont remember suggested 10th as father's house. Basically K.P. is developed on the prinipals of Vedic astrology. Please go to the page 248 of "Fundamental principles of Astrology" the Second Reader where can read the lines "Moon representing the mother and owning the fourth house indicates that the person will love his country and his home. As per Jothidmannan KSK also moon represents mother as well as fourth house. --- On Wed, 17/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008, 2:44 PM dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned "Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father" -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2008 Report Share Posted December 18, 2008 This question has not been answered in proper way. Fifth house is the house of progeny. Every living being is the offspring of its father. If you want to find by whom you (the Ascendant or 1st cusp) have borne, it is 9th cusp. This is the actual reason why we take 9th as our originator (father). Here the simple rule doesn't apply that 7th from 4th i.e. 10th is father. Hope this clears all the doubt. Thanks & Regards,D K BhaskarSouth Extn. Part - I, New DelhiMob.: 91-9910048040--- On Thu, 18/12/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj wrote: Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneerajRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Date: Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 12:24 PM Dear All, Thanks for responding on the matter with related refferances.. With regards, Neeraj --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Yogita Purohit <yogitapurohit@ > wrote: Yogita Purohit <yogitapurohit@ >Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comThursday, December 18, 2008, 4:10 AM Dear All, The current question of discussion that why 9th House should be taken for father, was the one which always also put me into confusion, but the answer to it i got in KP 2nd reader, FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF ASTROLOGY, which says, " Hindus attribute the 9th house to father because the ninth sign of zodiac Dhanus (Saggittarius) is ruled by 'guru" the Perceptor and spiritual teacher. In ancient times, the father was invariably the spiritual perceptor or guru of the children to whom he did initiate Brahma Upadesam and transmits his siddhis or psychic powers. Counting the 9th house as 1st, we find that the fifth therefrom indicates the native. Always take the 9th house for father." Yogita--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, December 17, 2008, 6:05 AM Dear Gopalachary, Your statement "many tried to analyse this in vain"...! I have in the past,posted the rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa,on this site... The reasons for the number of years to each planet has been clarified... The article by the late Pt.K.R.Kar was reproduced verbatim,by me... The Vth from the IXth is hence the IXth house for Father and the IVth house for Mother is very correct indeed... The Xth is for mainly profession,employme nt,promotion, pilgrimage disposal of immoveable property, etc.,as per K.P., Kindly refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part III...Pp55-56. L.Y.Rao. Gopalachary p.m. <karivadana (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008 4:57:44 PMRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Sirs, Certain things we have accept and adopt as it is. In vimsottari Sun was allotted 6years whereas Sat was allotted 19 years. Many tried to analyse this and in vain. Mantreswara or Kalidasa, I dont remember suggested 10th as father's house. Basically K.P. is developed on the prinipals of Vedic astrology. Please go to the page 248 of "Fundamental principles of Astrology" the Second Reader where can read the lines "Moon representing the mother and owning the fourth house indicates that the person will love his country and his home. As per Jothidmannan KSK also moon represents mother as well as fourth house. --- On Wed, 17/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) . com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008, 2:44 PM dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned "Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father" -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Dear Friends, One of the reason stated for taking 9th house for father is that the 1st (self) is 5th (offspring) to 9th (father). For the sake of argument I can say that this is not correct because this rule is not applicable for mother.i.e. 1st house is NOT the 5th house (actually it is 10th) from the 4th house, which is the house for mother. From the perspective of learning, mere arguments are having not much value. It is important to have a look at the practical aspects. In my opinion, we all have charts, so tally the events for father from 9th house and 10th house and use whatever works well for you. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Dharmendra Kumar <kdbhaskar7 wrote: This question has not been answered in proper way. Fifth house is the house of progeny. Every living being is the offspring of its father. If you want to find by whom you (the Ascendant or 1st cusp) have borne, it is 9th cusp. This is the actual reason why we take 9th as our originator (father). Here the simple rule doesn't apply that 7th from 4th i.e. 10th is father. Hope this clears all the doubt. Thanks & Regards,D K Bhaskar South Extn. Part - I, New DelhiMob.: 91-9910048040 --- On Thu, 18/12/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj wrote: Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Date: Thursday, 18 December, 2008, 12:24 PM Dear All, Thanks for responding on the matter with related refferances.. With regards, Neeraj --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Yogita Purohit <yogitapurohit@ > wrote: Yogita Purohit <yogitapurohit@ >Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.com Thursday, December 18, 2008, 4:10 AM Dear All, The current question of discussion that why 9th House should be taken for father, was the one which always also put me into confusion, but the answer to it i got in KP 2nd reader, FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF ASTROLOGY, which says, " Hindus attribute the 9th house to father because the ninth sign of zodiac Dhanus (Saggittarius) is ruled by 'guru " the Perceptor and spiritual teacher. In ancient times, the father was invariably the spiritual perceptor or guru of the children to whom he did initiate Brahma Upadesam and transmits his siddhis or psychic powers. Counting the 9th house as 1st, we find that the fifth therefrom indicates the native. Always take the 9th house for father. " Yogita--- On Wed, 12/17/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th @gro ups.comWednesday, December 17, 2008, 6:05 AM Dear Gopalachary, Your statement " many tried to analyse this in vain " ...! I have in the past,posted the rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa,on this site... The reasons for the number of years to each planet has been clarified... The article by the late Pt.K.R.Kar was reproduced verbatim,by me... The Vth from the IXth is hence the IXth house for Father and the IVth house for Mother is very correct indeed... The Xth is for mainly profession,employme nt,promotion, pilgrimage disposal of immoveable property, etc.,as per K.P., Kindly refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part III...Pp55-56. L.Y.Rao. Gopalachary p.m. <karivadana (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.com Wednesday, 17 December, 2008 4:57:44 PMRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Sirs, Certain things we have accept and adopt as it is. In vimsottari Sun was allotted 6years whereas Sat was allotted 19 years. Many tried to analyse this and in vain. Mantreswara or Kalidasa, I dont remember suggested 10th as father's house. Basically K.P. is developed on the prinipals of Vedic astrology. Please go to the page 248 of " Fundamental principles of Astrology " the Second Reader where can read the lines " Moon representing the mother and owning the fourth house indicates that the person will love his country and his home. As per Jothidmannan KSK also moon represents mother as well as fourth house. --- On Wed, 17/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) . com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.com Wednesday, 17 December, 2008, 2:44 PM dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned " Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father " -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Thank you sir, Please let me know the message no. where i can find the article about vimsottari sytem thank you once again--- On Wed, 17/12/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Date: Wednesday, 17 December, 2008, 7:35 PM Dear Gopalachary, Your statement "many tried to analyse this in vain"...! I have in the past,posted the rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa,on this site... The reasons for the number of years to each planet has been clarified... The article by the late Pt.K.R.Kar was reproduced verbatim,by me... The Vth from the IXth is hence the IXth house for Father and the IVth house for Mother is very correct indeed... The Xth is for mainly profession,employme nt,promotion, pilgrimage disposal of immoveable property, etc.,as per K.P., Kindly refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part III...Pp55-56. L.Y.Rao. Gopalachary p.m. <karivadana (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008 4:57:44 PMRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Sirs, Certain things we have accept and adopt as it is. In vimsottari Sun was allotted 6years whereas Sat was allotted 19 years. Many tried to analyse this and in vain. Mantreswara or Kalidasa, I dont remember suggested 10th as father's house. Basically K.P. is developed on the prinipals of Vedic astrology. Please go to the page 248 of "Fundamental principles of Astrology" the Second Reader where can read the lines "Moon representing the mother and owning the fourth house indicates that the person will love his country and his home. As per Jothidmannan KSK also moon represents mother as well as fourth house. --- On Wed, 17/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008, 2:44 PM dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned "Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father" -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Gopalachary p.m. <karivadana Sent: Friday, 19 December, 2008 12:48:10 PMRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Thank you sir, Please let me know the message no. where i can find the article about vimsottari sytem thank you once again--- On Wed, 17/12/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008, 7:35 PM Dear Gopalachary, Your statement "many tried to analyse this in vain"...! I have in the past,posted the rationale of the Vimshottari Dasa,on this site... The reasons for the number of years to each planet has been clarified... The article by the late Pt.K.R.Kar was reproduced verbatim,by me... The Vth from the IXth is hence the IXth house for Father and the IVth house for Mother is very correct indeed... The Xth is for mainly profession,employme nt,promotion, pilgrimage disposal of immoveable property, etc.,as per K.P., Kindly refer Astrosecrets & K.P., Part III...Pp55-56. L.Y.Rao. Gopalachary p.m. <karivadana (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008 4:57:44 PMRe: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th Sirs, Certain things we have accept and adopt as it is. In vimsottari Sun was allotted 6years whereas Sat was allotted 19 years. Many tried to analyse this and in vain. Mantreswara or Kalidasa, I dont remember suggested 10th as father's house. Basically K.P. is developed on the prinipals of Vedic astrology. Please go to the page 248 of "Fundamental principles of Astrology" the Second Reader where can read the lines "Moon representing the mother and owning the fourth house indicates that the person will love his country and his home. As per Jothidmannan KSK also moon represents mother as well as fourth house. --- On Wed, 17/12/08, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: [ why 9th for father why not 10th@gro ups.comWednesday, 17 December, 2008, 2:44 PM dear niraj, pl.refer reader no.2 page 209,edition july1979 wherein KSK mentioned "Counting the 9th house as the 1st,we find the fifth therefrom indicates the native.Always take the 9th house for father" -sunil gondhalekar On 12/17/08, Neeraj Chowksey <chowkseyneeraj@ > wrote: Dear All Seniors, one dout is there in my mind, 4th and moon is for mother . 9th & Sun is for father, why 9th for father , why not 10 th for father ? as if 4th for mother , your father is nothing but husbund of your mother i. e. 7th from 4th which is 10th. Or vice versa for mother it should be 3rd.(if 9th for father) In vedic father is judge from 10th so many time. Please comment on the matter , I may be wroung. with regards, Neeraj--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 7:19 AM Dear Raichur ji, I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon. Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear friend Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ? 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ? 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ? Yogkaraka ? 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? regards, Bhaskar. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Bollywood news, movie reviews, film trailers and more! From Chandigarh to Chennai - find friends all over India. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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