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Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

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dear bhaskar,

u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)

for mother moon and 4th house both

ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,

thanx

sampa--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for

mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

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Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,

 

In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.

 

Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000 wrote:

sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear bhaskar,

u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)

for mother moon and 4th house both

ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,

thanx

sampa--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comSunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for

mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

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Dear SatishAs I unserstand, KP is a refinement of tradional astrology. So theres no harm in combining the two In vol 111 many doubts reg. Raj yoga Progression are clarified.RegardsSujata.--- On Sun, 14/12/08, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:R Satish <rsatish1942Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 8:20 PM

 

Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,

 

In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.

 

Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in> wrote:

sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comSunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear bhaskar,

u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)

for mother moon and 4th house both

ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,

thanx

sampa--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comSunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or

4th Sub Lord for

mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

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Dear friend

Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun

raichur anant mumbai--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for

mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

regards,

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Dear Raichur ji,

 

I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not Moon.

 

Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon? If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of sthir karakas in KP of other forum members.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friend

Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house and Sun

raichur anant mumbai

--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???

Date: Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

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Dear Satish ji,

 

I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP with traditional is not 'desireable.' I personally have got good results combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both the systems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand what all features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot.

 

Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, is being used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, I see many references to Badhakas in " AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti Paddhati " by Shari Shanmugam and KMS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,

 

In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.

 

Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000 wrote:

sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear bhaskar,

u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)

for mother moon and 4th house both

ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,

thanx

sampa--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

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Dear Punitji,

 

My reasoning is simple. We are in the process of learning abranch of astrology different from traditional .As students, half knowledge can confuse. Veterans like you and other Seniors, perhaps do tackle any astrological puzzle on more than 2 levels.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:56 PM

 

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP with traditional is not 'desireable.' I personally have got good results combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both the systems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand what all features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot.

 

Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, is being used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, I see many references to Badhakas in "AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti Paddhati" by Shari Shanmugam and KMS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,

 

In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.

 

Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in> wrote:

sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.comSunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear bhaskar,

u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)

for mother moon and 4th house both

ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,

thanx

sampa--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for

mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

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Respected Sirs,

I think there is some confussion on definition of 'badhaka'. Of course no definition has been mentioned any where. Let us consider fora person born in Leo Lagna. We don't know at which degree the Ascendant falls. Let us presume it falls around 15 degrees. For him the badhaka sthana shall be the 9th from the Ascendant as Leo is a fixed sign. To speak the trueth, the question it self was vedic because the the ascendant was mentioned to be Leo, not to the degree that is folowed in KP. How ever the 9th cusp most probably fall in Aries. So Mars happens to be the badhakasthana adhipati and is being called as 'badhaka'. In KP we consider all significators of 9th house as badhakas. On proceeding further, if any of them is in a sub which does not contribute to 9th house or opposes to maters of 9th house then it cannot be called a badhaka. When a planet even if the badhakasthanadhipati, Mars, is in such a sub it cannot be branded as badhaka. It may have

other portfoleos.Only that planet that is capable to give death should be called badhaka. Mars is not the terrorist.

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath

 

 

 

R Satish <rsatish1942 Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:52:15 PMRe: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punitji,

 

My reasoning is simple. We are in the process of learning abranch of astrology different from traditional .As students, half knowledge can confuse. Veterans like you and other Seniors, perhaps do tackle any astrological puzzle on more than 2 levels.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.comMonday, December 15, 2008, 12:56 PM

 

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP with traditional is not 'desireable. ' I personally have got good results combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both the systems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand what all features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot.

 

Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, is being used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, I see many references to Badhakas in "AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti Paddhati" by Shari Shanmugam and KMS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

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Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,

 

In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.

 

Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in> wrote:

sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? @gro ups.comSunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear bhaskar,

u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)

for mother moon and 4th house both

ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,

thanx

sampa--- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for

mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

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Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

I have shared my thoughts in BLOCK letters below.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be

kind

> enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father

for a

> Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ?

In

> that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the

karaka

> Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL

for

> Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

IN MY OPINION MIXING OF TRADITIONAL AND KP TERMINOLOGY HAS CONFUSED

US HERE. IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, 4TH LORD ALONG WITH MOON

REPRESENTS MOTHER AND 9TH LORD REPRESENTS FATHER ALONG WITH SUN.

THOUGH IN KP, WE SHOULD NOT SAY THAT 4TH CUSPAL SUB LORD REPRESENT

MOTHER BECAUSE IT WILL CONFUSE US, RATHER WE SHOULD SAY 4TH CUSPAL

SUB LORD TELLS US THE MATTERS PERTAINING TO FOURTH HOUSE I.E. MOTHER,

EDUCATION ETC. JUST A DISTINCTION I WANT TO MAKE TO AVOID CONFUSION.

 

2) In

> case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If

we

> have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent

Mother

> and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the

Badhak

> Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should

we not

> see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would

be

> advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of

father or

> 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

CUSPAL SUB LORD TELLS US THE MATTER PERTAINING TO THE HOUSE UNDER

DISCUSSION. SIGNIFICATORS ARE THE PLANETS WHICH GIVES RESULTS

ASSOCIATED WITH A HOUSE. BADHAKAS ARE THE SIGNIFICATORS AND SHOULD BE

TREATED AT THAT LEVEL ONLY. BADHKAS WILL TELL US WHAT ARE PLANETS

WHICH WILL HINDER PROBLEMS RELATED TO THE LONEVITY OF THE NATIVE (I

AM AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE KP ASTROLOGERS WHO SUGGEST THAT

BADHKAS WILL HINDER EVERYTHING, I FOLLOW OLD KP SCHOOL). AS BADHAKAS

ARE AT SIGNIFICATION LEVEL, THAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T TAKE SUB LORD

OF 9TH AS BADHAK, RATHER TAKE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH AS BADHAKAS. FOR

NATIVE WITH LEO ASCENDANT, MARS ALONE WILL NOT BE BHADHAK, BUT

SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH WILL ALL BE BHADHAKS. SO MARS ALONG WITH PLANET

IN MARS NAKSHATRA, OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE AND PLANETS IN THE

NAKSHATRA OF THE OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE WILL ALL BE BHADHAK GRAHAS

FOR THE NATIVE.

 

YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT " just asI would be advised to check the 9th

Sublord to go for significations of father ...... " SEEMS INCORRECT

TO ME AS 9TH SUBLORD DOESN'T MEAN SIGNIFICATIONS OF FATHER. FOR

SIGNIFICATION OF FATHER, WE SHOULD USE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH HOUSE

(OWENR, OCCUPANTS, PLANENTS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF OWNER AND OCCUPANTS)

AND NOT THE CUSPAL SUB LORD OF 9TH HOUSE. IT MAY BE JUST DO THE THE

DIFFERNECE IN TERMINOLOGY, BUT MY REQUEST IS TO STICK TO KP

TERMINOLOGY TO AVOID CONFUSION.

 

 

3) When the

> other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of

the

> Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as

fixed ,

> to be the badhak Lord ?

AS I MENTIONED, IN KP, 9TH LORD MARS ALONE AS BADHAK HAS NO MEANING.

WE SHOULD SEE THE FULL SIGNIFICATORS OF THE BADHAK HOUSE (9TH HOUSE

IN CASE OF LEO ASCENDANT) FOR KNOWING THE BHADHAK PLANETS.

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and

> the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it

imply

> that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be

full

> of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the

> significations of the 9th House ?

NO. 9TH IS BADHAK HOUSE OF THE NATIVE. FOR MOTHER, WE SHOULD FIND OUT

THE BADHAK HOUSE FROM 4TH AND FOR FATHER FROM 9TH. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR

THE NATIVE OF LEO ASCENDANT, 4TH HOUSE SHOULD BE SCORPIO (STHIR

SIGN). SO FOR THE MOTHER, THE BADHAK HOUSE WILL BE 9TH FROM 4TH I.E.

12TH HOUSE. FEW KP ASTROLOGERS ARE OF OPINION THAT WE SHOULD RECAST

THE CHART TAKING 4TH HOUSE DEGREE AS ASCENDANT IN SUCH A CASE AND

THEN FIGURE OUT 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFICATION THERE OF.

 

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent

> for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ?

> Yogkaraka ?

IN KP THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF REPRESENTATION. 4TH CUSPAL SUB LORD WILL

TELL ABOUT MOTHER, 9TH CUSPAL SUB LORD WILL TELL AOBUT FATHER.

SIGNIFICATORS OF BADHAK HOUSE ALONG WITH SINIFICATORS OF MARAK HOUSE

WILL GIVE THE DEATH TO THE NATIVE IN THEIR DASA PERIOD. EVEN IF WE

ACCEEPT THE OTHER SCHOOLD THAT SAYS THAT BADHAK WILL HINDER

EVERYTHING, IT WILL BE ONLY FOR NATIVE AND NOT FOR NATIVE'S MOTHER OR

FATHER. FOR FIGURING OUT BADHAKAS FOR NATIVE'S MOTHER OR FATHER, WE

SHOULD CALCULATE THE BADHAKAS FROM 4TH AND 9TH HOUSE RESPECTIVELY.

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love

> is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the

Lord

> of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is

never

> going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget

Jupiter

> all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever

planet

> it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON 5TH CUSPAL SUB LORD, AS SIGN

BASED TRADITIONAL LORDSHIP HAS NOT BE GIVEN MUCH IMPORTANCE IN KP.

FOR SEEING PROMISE RELATED TO A HOUSE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER CUSPAL

SUBLORD. FOR FINDING OUT WHEN AN EVENT WILL HAPPEN, WE SHOUDL SEE THE

SIGNIFICATORS FOR A HOUSE AND MATCH WITH DASA/ TRANSIT ETC.

 

 

> regards, Bhaskar.

>

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Dear Shri Luther Rathji and all,

Thank You, this is the reply I was looking for exactly.

I wish all the readers and KP practioners to read this reply from Shri Lutherji, before fixing a Badhaka and making it a " Culprit" for ever.

I am sorry I did not mention the degrees of the ascedant or the 9th Cusp, purposefully, because I wanted the reader to think before replying. In this case actually the ascendant is 15 degrees Leo and the 9th at 18 degrees Aries, therefore owned by Mars. But you have very well put the various options which may make a change to the well known and pre-determined badhak based on the Vedic Staististics, while we coolly indulge in Kp, neglecting the change which can come forth in the Badhaka significations due to the reasons mentioned in Your mail.

Your reply has satisfied me immensely.

Thank you.

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:>> Respected Sirs,> I think there is some confussion on definition of 'badhaka'. Of course no definition has been mentioned any where. Let us consider fora person born in Leo Lagna. We don't know at which degree the Ascendant falls. Let us presume it falls around 15 degrees. For him the badhaka sthana shall be the 9th from the Ascendant as Leo is a fixed sign. To speak the trueth, the question it self was vedic because the the ascendant was mentioned to be Leo, not to the degree that is folowed in KP. How ever the 9th cusp most probably fall in Aries. So Mars happens to be the badhakasthana adhipati and is being called as 'badhaka'. In KP we consider all significators of 9th house as badhakas. On proceeding further, if any of them is in a sub which does not contribute to 9th house or opposes to maters of 9th house then it cannot be called a badhaka. When a planet even if the badhakasthanadhipati, Mars, is in such a sub it cannot be branded as badhaka. It may have other> portfoleos.Only that planet that is capable to give death should be called badhaka. Mars is not the terrorist.> With regards.> Dr. Luther Rath> > > > ________________________________> R Satish rsatish1942 > Monday, December 15, 2008 2:52:15 PM> Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???> > > Dear Punitji,> > My reasoning is simple. We are in the process of learning abranch of astrology different from traditional .As students, half knowledge can confuse. Veterans like you and other Seniors, perhaps do tackle any astrological puzzle on more than 2 levels.> > Regards,> > Satish> > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???> @gro ups.com> Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:56 PM> > > Dear Satish ji, > > I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP with traditional is not 'desireable. ' I personally have got good results combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both the systems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand what all features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot. > > Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, is being used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, I see many references to Badhakas in "AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti Paddhati" by Shari Shanmugam and KMS. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ..com> wrote:> > Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,> > In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.> > Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.> > Regards,> > Satish> > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in> wrote:> > sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>> Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? > > @gro ups.com> Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM> > > dear bhaskar,> u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)> for mother moon and 4th house both> ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?> answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,> thanx> sampa> > --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???> @gro ups.com > > Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM> > > Dear Masters of KP> > I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.> > 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?> Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how> to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?> > 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- > If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?> > 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the> Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?> > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?> > 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?> Mother ?> Father ?> Brother ?> Badhak Lord ?> Yogkaraka ?> > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? > > regards,> Bhaskar.. > > ________________________________> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

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Dear Punit Pandey ji,

You have dared to reply, while others would have preferred to stay away or reply inconsequentially around the matter, missing the point. I thank you for your time and energy, and appreciate your understandiing and

knowledge of KP.

 

I am mentioning once again the important lines from your mail, for everyone to read and learn, including myself.

 

Thanks once again.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

AS BADHAKAS ARE AT SIGNIFICATION LEVEL, THAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T TAKE SUB LORD OF 9TH AS BADHAK, RATHER TAKE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH AS BADHAKAS. FORNATIVE WITH LEO ASCENDANT, MARS ALONE WILL NOT BE BHADHAK, BUT SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH WILL ALL BE BHADHAKS. SO MARS ALONG WITH PLANET IN MARS NAKSHATRA, OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE AND PLANETS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF THE OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE WILL ALL BE BHADHAK GRAHAS FOR THE NATIVE.

 

FOR SIGNIFICATION OF FATHER, WE SHOULD USE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH HOUSE (OWENR, OCCUPANTS, PLANENTS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF OWNER AND OCCUPANTS) AND NOT THE CUSPAL SUB LORD OF 9TH HOUSE. IT MAY BE JUST DO THE THE DIFFERNECE IN TERMINOLOGY

 

 

AS I MENTIONED, IN KP, 9TH LORD MARS ALONE AS BADHAK HAS NO MEANING. WE SHOULD SEE THE FULL SIGNIFICATORS OF THE BADHAK HOUSE (9TH HOUSE IN CASE OF LEO ASCENDANT) FOR KNOWING THE BHADHAK PLANETS.

 

9TH IS BADHAK HOUSE OF THE NATIVE. FOR MOTHER, WE SHOULD FIND OUT THE BADHAK HOUSE FROM 4TH AND FOR FATHER FROM 9TH. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE NATIVE OF LEO ASCENDANT, 4TH HOUSE SHOULD BE SCORPIO (STHIR SIGN). SO FOR THE MOTHER, THE BADHAK HOUSE WILL BE 9TH FROM 4TH I.E. 12TH HOUSE. FEW KP ASTROLOGERS ARE OF OPINION THAT WE SHOULD RECASTTHE CHART TAKING 4TH HOUSE DEGREE AS ASCENDANT IN SUCH A CASE AND THEN FIGURE OUT 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFICATION THERE OF.

 

FOR SEEING PROMISE RELATED TO A HOUSE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER CUSPAL SUBLORD. FOR FINDING OUT WHEN AN EVENT WILL HAPPEN, WE SHOUDL SEE THE SIGNIFICATORS FOR A HOUSE AND MATCH WITH DASA/ TRANSIT ETC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > I have shared my thoughts in BLOCK letters below. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be > kind> > enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father > for a> > Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? > In> > that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the > karaka> > Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL > for> > Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? > > IN MY OPINION MIXING OF TRADITIONAL AND KP TERMINOLOGY HAS CONFUSED > US HERE. IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, 4TH LORD ALONG WITH MOON > REPRESENTS MOTHER AND 9TH LORD REPRESENTS FATHER ALONG WITH SUN. > THOUGH IN KP, WE SHOULD NOT SAY THAT 4TH CUSPAL SUB LORD REPRESENT > MOTHER BECAUSE IT WILL CONFUSE US, RATHER WE SHOULD SAY 4TH CUSPAL > SUB LORD TELLS US THE MATTERS PERTAINING TO FOURTH HOUSE I.E. MOTHER, > EDUCATION ETC. JUST A DISTINCTION I WANT TO MAKE TO AVOID CONFUSION. > > 2) In> > case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If > we> > have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent > Mother> > and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the > Badhak> > Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should > we not> > see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would > be> > advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of > father or> > 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? > > CUSPAL SUB LORD TELLS US THE MATTER PERTAINING TO THE HOUSE UNDER > DISCUSSION. SIGNIFICATORS ARE THE PLANETS WHICH GIVES RESULTS > ASSOCIATED WITH A HOUSE. BADHAKAS ARE THE SIGNIFICATORS AND SHOULD BE > TREATED AT THAT LEVEL ONLY. BADHKAS WILL TELL US WHAT ARE PLANETS > WHICH WILL HINDER PROBLEMS RELATED TO THE LONEVITY OF THE NATIVE (I > AM AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE KP ASTROLOGERS WHO SUGGEST THAT > BADHKAS WILL HINDER EVERYTHING, I FOLLOW OLD KP SCHOOL). AS BADHAKAS > ARE AT SIGNIFICATION LEVEL, THAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T TAKE SUB LORD > OF 9TH AS BADHAK, RATHER TAKE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH AS BADHAKAS. FOR > NATIVE WITH LEO ASCENDANT, MARS ALONE WILL NOT BE BHADHAK, BUT > SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH WILL ALL BE BHADHAKS. SO MARS ALONG WITH PLANET > IN MARS NAKSHATRA, OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE AND PLANETS IN THE > NAKSHATRA OF THE OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE WILL ALL BE BHADHAK GRAHAS > FOR THE NATIVE. > > YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT "just asI would be advised to check the 9th > Sublord to go for significations of father ......" SEEMS INCORRECT > TO ME AS 9TH SUBLORD DOESN'T MEAN SIGNIFICATIONS OF FATHER. FOR > SIGNIFICATION OF FATHER, WE SHOULD USE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH HOUSE > (OWENR, OCCUPANTS, PLANENTS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF OWNER AND OCCUPANTS) > AND NOT THE CUSPAL SUB LORD OF 9TH HOUSE. IT MAY BE JUST DO THE THE > DIFFERNECE IN TERMINOLOGY, BUT MY REQUEST IS TO STICK TO KP > TERMINOLOGY TO AVOID CONFUSION. > > > 3) When the> > other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of > the> > Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as > fixed ,> > to be the badhak Lord ? > AS I MENTIONED, IN KP, 9TH LORD MARS ALONE AS BADHAK HAS NO MEANING. > WE SHOULD SEE THE FULL SIGNIFICATORS OF THE BADHAK HOUSE (9TH HOUSE > IN CASE OF LEO ASCENDANT) FOR KNOWING THE BHADHAK PLANETS. > > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and> > the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it > imply> > that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be > full> > of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the> > significations of the 9th House ? > NO. 9TH IS BADHAK HOUSE OF THE NATIVE. FOR MOTHER, WE SHOULD FIND OUT > THE BADHAK HOUSE FROM 4TH AND FOR FATHER FROM 9TH. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR > THE NATIVE OF LEO ASCENDANT, 4TH HOUSE SHOULD BE SCORPIO (STHIR > SIGN). SO FOR THE MOTHER, THE BADHAK HOUSE WILL BE 9TH FROM 4TH I.E. > 12TH HOUSE. FEW KP ASTROLOGERS ARE OF OPINION THAT WE SHOULD RECAST > THE CHART TAKING 4TH HOUSE DEGREE AS ASCENDANT IN SUCH A CASE AND > THEN FIGURE OUT 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFICATION THERE OF. > > > 5) Actually what will Mars represent> > for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ?> > Yogkaraka ? > IN KP THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF REPRESENTATION. 4TH CUSPAL SUB LORD WILL > TELL ABOUT MOTHER, 9TH CUSPAL SUB LORD WILL TELL AOBUT FATHER. > SIGNIFICATORS OF BADHAK HOUSE ALONG WITH SINIFICATORS OF MARAK HOUSE > WILL GIVE THE DEATH TO THE NATIVE IN THEIR DASA PERIOD. EVEN IF WE > ACCEEPT THE OTHER SCHOOLD THAT SAYS THAT BADHAK WILL HINDER > EVERYTHING, IT WILL BE ONLY FOR NATIVE AND NOT FOR NATIVE'S MOTHER OR > FATHER. FOR FIGURING OUT BADHAKAS FOR NATIVE'S MOTHER OR FATHER, WE > SHOULD CALCULATE THE BADHAKAS FROM 4TH AND 9TH HOUSE RESPECTIVELY. > > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love> > is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the > Lord> > of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is > never> > going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget > Jupiter> > all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever > planet> > it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? > IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON 5TH CUSPAL SUB LORD, AS SIGN > BASED TRADITIONAL LORDSHIP HAS NOT BE GIVEN MUCH IMPORTANCE IN KP. > FOR SEEING PROMISE RELATED TO A HOUSE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER CUSPAL > SUBLORD. FOR FINDING OUT WHEN AN EVENT WILL HAPPEN, WE SHOUDL SEE THE > SIGNIFICATORS FOR A HOUSE AND MATCH WITH DASA/ TRANSIT ETC. > > > > regards, Bhaskar.> >>

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Dear Satish ji,

You may find this funny -

I have been mixing KP, as well as Traditional, as well as Lal Kitab since few months , and now learning Western Progressions, which also I will mix in future. I will also mix Fixed stars in future. Now does all this sound impossible sacrilgeous and unholy ?

Learning many systems does not matter, as long as one knows what to mix and how much to mix and where to mix and uptil what stage to mix.

When you find the 2nd Cusp afflicted. The Planet in the 2nd Cusp afflicted and also the Planet owning the 2nd Cusp afflicted, you come to a important decesion about the 2nd Cusp, to tell the native.

In same way when I find the same result using a number of approaches for what subject matter I am looking for, it makes my job easier and more accurate.

I have done Traditional astrology for many years, and Kp for few years, so I believe I have the capacity to make a good mix. And of course we will always remain a eternal student because to become a Master of one single approach , there is no scale of measure to define the same.

I still learn from veterans like Shri Lajmiji and Sunilji and Raichurji and Lutherji and so many others. So this learning process is a ongoing and continous one. But I agree that for new students, a mix of 2 systems is not healthy , but only confusing.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:>> Dear Punitji,> > My reasoning is simple. We are in the process of learning abranch of astrology different from traditional .As students, half knowledge can confuse. Veterans like you and other Seniors, perhaps do tackle any astrological puzzle on more than 2 levels.> > Regards,> > Satish> > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey punitp wrote:> > Punit Pandey punitp Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???> > Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:56 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP with traditional is not 'desireable.' I personally have got good results combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both the systems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand what all features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot. > > Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, is being used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, I see many references to Badhakas in "AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti Paddhati" by Shari Shanmugam and KMS. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,> > In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.> > Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.> > Regards,> > Satish> > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in> wrote:> > sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>> Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? > > @gro ups.com> Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM> > > > > > > > > > > dear bhaskar,> u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)> for mother moon and 4th house both> ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?> answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,> thanx> sampa> > --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???> @gro ups.com > > Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM> > > > > > Dear Masters of KP> > I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.> > 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?> Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how> to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?> > 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- > If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?> > 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the> Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?> > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?> > 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?> Mother ?> Father ?> Brother ?> Badhak Lord ?> Yogkaraka ?> > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? > > regards,> Bhaskar. > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

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Namaskar.

I do agree to what you have expressed in your message. Prof. KSK was also a traditional astrologer. The padhati propounded by him heils from traditional only. So traditional system cannot be winded up. The KP rules are not yet complete. We are unable to reach to conclusion in all cases. So I do not think it unholy if we take help of Vadic of Traditional till that time when KP rules can give out all or at least 90 %. Since this is a KP group every one of us wishes that every thing be done following KP. We have to remember while doing so we are not lost some where. Substanciation or fortification of KP by taking help of other syatem should not be condemned but welcomed if it is valuable.

With regards.

Dr. Luther Rath--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 5:55 PM

 

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

You may find this funny -

I have been mixing KP, as well as Traditional, as well as Lal Kitab since few months , and now learning Western Progressions, which also I will mix in future. I will also mix Fixed stars in future. Now does all this sound impossible sacrilgeous and unholy ?

Learning many systems does not matter, as long as one knows what to mix and how much to mix and where to mix and uptil what stage to mix.

When you find the 2nd Cusp afflicted. The Planet in the 2nd Cusp afflicted and also the Planet owning the 2nd Cusp afflicted, you come to a important decesion about the 2nd Cusp, to tell the native.

In same way when I find the same result using a number of approaches for what subject matter I am looking for, it makes my job easier and more accurate.

I have done Traditional astrology for many years, and Kp for few years, so I believe I have the capacity to make a good mix. And of course we will always remain a eternal student because to become a Master of one single approach , there is no scale of measure to define the same.

I still learn from veterans like Shri Lajmiji and Sunilji and Raichurji and Lutherji and so many others. So this learning process is a ongoing and continous one. But I agree that for new students, a mix of 2 systems is not healthy , but only confusing.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

@gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Punitji,> > My reasoning is simple. We are in the process of learning abranch of astrology different from traditional .As students, half knowledge can confuse. Veterans like you and other Seniors, perhaps do tackle any astrological puzzle on more than 2 levels.> > Regards,> > Satish> > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey punitp wrote:> > Punit Pandey punitp Re: Badhak for Leo ?

Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???> @gro ups.com> Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:56 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP with traditional is not 'desireable. ' I personally have got good results combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both the systems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand what all features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot. > > Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, is being used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, I see many references to Badhakas in "AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti Paddhati" by Shari Shanmugam and KMS. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > >

> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,> > In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.> > Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.> > Regards,> > Satish> > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in> wrote:> > sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co.

in>> Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? > > @gro ups.com> Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM> > > > > > > > > > > dear bhaskar,> u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)> for mother moon and 4th house both> ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?> answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,> thanx> sampa> > --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???> To:

@gro ups.com > > Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM> > > > > > Dear Masters of KP> > I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.> > 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?> Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how> to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?> > 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- > If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see

the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?> > 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the> Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?> > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?> > 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?> Mother ?> Father ?> Brother ?> Badhak Lord ?> Yogkaraka ?> > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the

Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? > > regards,> Bhaskar. > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

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Dear Satish ji,

 

I agree. As our purpose in this forum is to learn KP, and we should stick to the framework of KP as much as possible. It is really hard to draw a line, but we should adhere to KP as much as possible.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

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Dear Punitji,

 

My reasoning is simple. We are in the process of learning abranch of astrology different from traditional .As students, half knowledge can confuse. Veterans like you and other Seniors, perhaps do tackle any astrological puzzle on more than 2 levels.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ??? Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:56 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Satish ji,

 

I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP with traditional is not 'desireable.' I personally have got good results combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both the systems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand what all features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot.

 

Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, is being used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, I see many references to Badhakas in " AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti Paddhati " by Shari Shanmugam and KMS.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,

 

In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.

 

Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not desirable.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in> wrote:

 

sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???

 

 

 

@gro ups.com

 

 

Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear bhaskar,

u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)

for mother moon and 4th house both

ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,

thanx

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Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???@gro ups.com Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

 

 

 

Dear Masters of KP

 

I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

 

1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

 

2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-

If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

 

3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

 

4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?

 

5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

Mother ?

Father ?

Brother ?

Badhak Lord ?

Yogkaraka ?

 

6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

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I can only speak for myself...I did not bother to answer because the question was extremely elementary...and I follow K.P., the answer as per K.P., can be found in any good book on K.P.

I hope you are satisfied now...

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Monday, 15 December, 2008 5:44:04 PM Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey ji,

You have dared to reply, while others would have preferred to stay away or reply inconsequentially around the matter, missing the point. I thank you for your time and energy, and appreciate your understandiing and

knowledge of KP.

 

I am mentioning once again the important lines from your mail, for everyone to read and learn, including myself.

 

Thanks once again.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

AS BADHAKAS ARE AT SIGNIFICATION LEVEL, THAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T TAKE SUB LORD OF 9TH AS BADHAK, RATHER TAKE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH AS BADHAKAS. FORNATIVE WITH LEO ASCENDANT, MARS ALONE WILL NOT BE BHADHAK, BUT SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH WILL ALL BE BHADHAKS. SO MARS ALONG WITH PLANET IN MARS NAKSHATRA, OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE AND PLANETS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF THE OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE WILL ALL BE BHADHAK GRAHAS FOR THE NATIVE.

 

FOR SIGNIFICATION OF FATHER, WE SHOULD USE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH HOUSE (OWENR, OCCUPANTS, PLANENTS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF OWNER AND OCCUPANTS) AND NOT THE CUSPAL SUB LORD OF 9TH HOUSE. IT MAY BE JUST DO THE THE DIFFERNECE IN TERMINOLOGY

 

 

AS I MENTIONED, IN KP, 9TH LORD MARS ALONE AS BADHAK HAS NO MEANING. WE SHOULD SEE THE FULL SIGNIFICATORS OF THE BADHAK HOUSE (9TH HOUSE IN CASE OF LEO ASCENDANT) FOR KNOWING THE BHADHAK PLANETS.

 

9TH IS BADHAK HOUSE OF THE NATIVE. FOR MOTHER, WE SHOULD FIND OUT THE BADHAK HOUSE FROM 4TH AND FOR FATHER FROM 9TH. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE NATIVE OF LEO ASCENDANT, 4TH HOUSE SHOULD BE SCORPIO (STHIR SIGN). SO FOR THE MOTHER, THE BADHAK HOUSE WILL BE 9TH FROM 4TH I.E. 12TH HOUSE. FEW KP ASTROLOGERS ARE OF OPINION THAT WE SHOULD RECASTTHE CHART TAKING 4TH HOUSE DEGREE AS ASCENDANT IN SUCH A CASE AND THEN FIGURE OUT 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFICATION THERE OF.

 

FOR SEEING PROMISE RELATED TO A HOUSE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER CUSPAL SUBLORD. FOR FINDING OUT WHEN AN EVENT WILL HAPPEN, WE SHOUDL SEE THE SIGNIFICATORS FOR A HOUSE AND MATCH WITH DASA/ TRANSIT ETC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > I have shared my thoughts in BLOCK letters below. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be > kind> > enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father > for a> > Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? > In> > that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the > karaka> > Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL > for> > Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? > > IN MY OPINION MIXING OF TRADITIONAL AND KP

TERMINOLOGY HAS CONFUSED > US HERE. IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, 4TH LORD ALONG WITH MOON > REPRESENTS MOTHER AND 9TH LORD REPRESENTS FATHER ALONG WITH SUN. > THOUGH IN KP, WE SHOULD NOT SAY THAT 4TH CUSPAL SUB LORD REPRESENT > MOTHER BECAUSE IT WILL CONFUSE US, RATHER WE SHOULD SAY 4TH CUSPAL > SUB LORD TELLS US THE MATTERS PERTAINING TO FOURTH HOUSE I.E. MOTHER, > EDUCATION ETC. JUST A DISTINCTION I WANT TO MAKE TO AVOID CONFUSION. > > 2) In> > case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If > we> > have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent > Mother> > and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the > Badhak> > Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should > we not> > see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would >

be> > advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of > father or> > 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ? > > CUSPAL SUB LORD TELLS US THE MATTER PERTAINING TO THE HOUSE UNDER > DISCUSSION. SIGNIFICATORS ARE THE PLANETS WHICH GIVES RESULTS > ASSOCIATED WITH A HOUSE. BADHAKAS ARE THE SIGNIFICATORS AND SHOULD BE > TREATED AT THAT LEVEL ONLY. BADHKAS WILL TELL US WHAT ARE PLANETS > WHICH WILL HINDER PROBLEMS RELATED TO THE LONEVITY OF THE NATIVE (I > AM AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE KP ASTROLOGERS WHO SUGGEST THAT > BADHKAS WILL HINDER EVERYTHING, I FOLLOW OLD KP SCHOOL). AS BADHAKAS > ARE AT SIGNIFICATION LEVEL, THAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T TAKE SUB LORD > OF 9TH AS BADHAK, RATHER TAKE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH AS BADHAKAS. FOR > NATIVE WITH LEO ASCENDANT, MARS ALONE WILL NOT BE BHADHAK, BUT > SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH WILL

ALL BE BHADHAKS. SO MARS ALONG WITH PLANET > IN MARS NAKSHATRA, OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE AND PLANETS IN THE > NAKSHATRA OF THE OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE WILL ALL BE BHADHAK GRAHAS > FOR THE NATIVE. > > YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT "just asI would be advised to check the 9th > Sublord to go for significations of father ......" SEEMS INCORRECT > TO ME AS 9TH SUBLORD DOESN'T MEAN SIGNIFICATIONS OF FATHER. FOR > SIGNIFICATION OF FATHER, WE SHOULD USE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH HOUSE > (OWENR, OCCUPANTS, PLANENTS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF OWNER AND OCCUPANTS) > AND NOT THE CUSPAL SUB LORD OF 9TH HOUSE. IT MAY BE JUST DO THE THE > DIFFERNECE IN TERMINOLOGY, BUT MY REQUEST IS TO STICK TO KP > TERMINOLOGY TO AVOID CONFUSION. > > > 3) When the> > other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of > the> > Cusps, then why must we hold the

9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as > fixed ,> > to be the badhak Lord ? > AS I MENTIONED, IN KP, 9TH LORD MARS ALONE AS BADHAK HAS NO MEANING. > WE SHOULD SEE THE FULL SIGNIFICATORS OF THE BADHAK HOUSE (9TH HOUSE > IN CASE OF LEO ASCENDANT) FOR KNOWING THE BHADHAK PLANETS. > > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and> > the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it > imply> > that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be > full> > of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the> > significations of the 9th House ? > NO. 9TH IS BADHAK HOUSE OF THE NATIVE. FOR MOTHER, WE SHOULD FIND OUT > THE BADHAK HOUSE FROM 4TH AND FOR FATHER FROM 9TH. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR > THE NATIVE OF LEO ASCENDANT, 4TH HOUSE SHOULD BE SCORPIO (STHIR > SIGN). SO FOR THE MOTHER, THE BADHAK HOUSE WILL

BE 9TH FROM 4TH I.E. > 12TH HOUSE. FEW KP ASTROLOGERS ARE OF OPINION THAT WE SHOULD RECAST > THE CHART TAKING 4TH HOUSE DEGREE AS ASCENDANT IN SUCH A CASE AND > THEN FIGURE OUT 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFICATION THERE OF. > > > 5) Actually what will Mars represent> > for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ?> > Yogkaraka ? > IN KP THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF REPRESENTATION. 4TH CUSPAL SUB LORD WILL > TELL ABOUT MOTHER, 9TH CUSPAL SUB LORD WILL TELL AOBUT FATHER. > SIGNIFICATORS OF BADHAK HOUSE ALONG WITH SINIFICATORS OF MARAK HOUSE > WILL GIVE THE DEATH TO THE NATIVE IN THEIR DASA PERIOD. EVEN IF WE > ACCEEPT THE OTHER SCHOOLD THAT SAYS THAT BADHAK WILL HINDER > EVERYTHING, IT WILL BE ONLY FOR NATIVE AND NOT FOR NATIVE'S MOTHER OR > FATHER. FOR FIGURING OUT BADHAKAS FOR NATIVE'S MOTHER OR FATHER, WE > SHOULD CALCULATE THE BADHAKAS

FROM 4TH AND 9TH HOUSE RESPECTIVELY. > > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love> > is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the > Lord> > of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is > never> > going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget > Jupiter> > all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever > planet> > it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? > IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON 5TH CUSPAL SUB LORD, AS SIGN > BASED TRADITIONAL LORDSHIP HAS NOT BE GIVEN MUCH IMPORTANCE IN KP. > FOR SEEING PROMISE RELATED TO A HOUSE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER CUSPAL > SUBLORD. FOR FINDING OUT WHEN AN EVENT WILL HAPPEN, WE SHOUDL SEE THE > SIGNIFICATORS FOR A HOUSE AND MATCH WITH DASA/ TRANSIT ETC. > > >

> regards, Bhaskar.> >>

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Dear Friends,

 

My request is not to get into another acrimony and focus on learning. Please.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Bhaskar,

I can only speak for myself...I did not bother to answer because the question was extremely elementary...and I follow K.P., the answer as per K.P., can be found in any good book on K.P.

I hope you are satisfied now...

L.Y.Rao.

 

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Monday, 15 December, 2008 5:44:04 PM Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey ji,

You have dared to reply, while others would have preferred to stay away or reply inconsequentially around the matter, missing the point. I thank you for your time and energy, and appreciate your understandiing and

knowledge of KP.

 

I am mentioning once again the important lines from your mail, for everyone to read and learn, including myself.

 

Thanks once again.

 

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

AS BADHAKAS ARE AT SIGNIFICATION LEVEL, THAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T TAKE SUB LORD OF 9TH AS BADHAK, RATHER TAKE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH AS BADHAKAS. FORNATIVE WITH LEO ASCENDANT, MARS ALONE WILL NOT BE BHADHAK, BUT SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH WILL ALL BE BHADHAKS. SO MARS ALONG WITH PLANET IN MARS NAKSHATRA, OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE AND PLANETS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF THE OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE WILL ALL BE BHADHAK GRAHAS FOR THE NATIVE.

 

FOR SIGNIFICATION OF FATHER, WE SHOULD USE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH HOUSE (OWENR, OCCUPANTS, PLANENTS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF OWNER AND OCCUPANTS) AND NOT THE CUSPAL SUB LORD OF 9TH HOUSE. IT MAY BE JUST DO THE THE DIFFERNECE IN TERMINOLOGY

 

 

AS I MENTIONED, IN KP, 9TH LORD MARS ALONE AS BADHAK HAS NO MEANING. WE SHOULD SEE THE FULL SIGNIFICATORS OF THE BADHAK HOUSE (9TH HOUSE IN CASE OF LEO ASCENDANT) FOR KNOWING THE BHADHAK PLANETS.

 

9TH IS BADHAK HOUSE OF THE NATIVE. FOR MOTHER, WE SHOULD FIND OUT THE BADHAK HOUSE FROM 4TH AND FOR FATHER FROM 9TH. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE NATIVE OF LEO ASCENDANT, 4TH HOUSE SHOULD BE SCORPIO (STHIR SIGN). SO FOR THE MOTHER, THE BADHAK HOUSE WILL BE 9TH FROM 4TH I.E. 12TH HOUSE. FEW KP ASTROLOGERS ARE OF OPINION THAT WE SHOULD RECAST

THE CHART TAKING 4TH HOUSE DEGREE AS ASCENDANT IN SUCH A CASE AND THEN FIGURE OUT 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFICATION THERE OF.

 

FOR SEEING PROMISE RELATED TO A HOUSE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER CUSPAL SUBLORD. FOR FINDING OUT WHEN AN EVENT WILL HAPPEN, WE SHOUDL SEE THE SIGNIFICATORS FOR A HOUSE AND MATCH WITH DASA/ TRANSIT ETC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > I have shared my thoughts in BLOCK letters below.

> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > @gro ups.com, " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@

 

 

> wrote:> >> > Dear Masters of KP I have a few doubts as under, which please be > kind> > enought to clear. 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father > for a

> > Leo Ascendant ? Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? > In> > that case how to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the > karaka> > Sun and Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL

> for> > Mother to represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ? > > IN MY OPINION MIXING OF TRADITIONAL AND KP TERMINOLOGY HAS CONFUSED > US HERE. IN TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY, 4TH LORD ALONG WITH MOON

> REPRESENTS MOTHER AND 9TH LORD REPRESENTS FATHER ALONG WITH SUN. > THOUGH IN KP, WE SHOULD NOT SAY THAT 4TH CUSPAL SUB LORD REPRESENT > MOTHER BECAUSE IT WILL CONFUSE US, RATHER WE SHOULD SAY 4TH CUSPAL

> SUB LORD TELLS US THE MATTERS PERTAINING TO FOURTH HOUSE I.E. MOTHER, > EDUCATION ETC. JUST A DISTINCTION I WANT TO MAKE TO AVOID CONFUSION. > > 2) In> > case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp- If

> we> > have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent > Mother> > and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars fixed, as the > Badhak> > Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? Why should

> we not> > see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , just asI would > be> > advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations of > father or> > 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?

> > CUSPAL SUB LORD TELLS US THE MATTER PERTAINING TO THE HOUSE UNDER > DISCUSSION. SIGNIFICATORS ARE THE PLANETS WHICH GIVES RESULTS > ASSOCIATED WITH A HOUSE. BADHAKAS ARE THE SIGNIFICATORS AND SHOULD BE

> TREATED AT THAT LEVEL ONLY. BADHKAS WILL TELL US WHAT ARE PLANETS > WHICH WILL HINDER PROBLEMS RELATED TO THE LONEVITY OF THE NATIVE (I > AM AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE KP ASTROLOGERS WHO SUGGEST THAT

> BADHKAS WILL HINDER EVERYTHING, I FOLLOW OLD KP SCHOOL). AS BADHAKAS > ARE AT SIGNIFICATION LEVEL, THAT IS THE REASON WE DON'T TAKE SUB LORD > OF 9TH AS BADHAK, RATHER TAKE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH AS BADHAKAS. FOR

> NATIVE WITH LEO ASCENDANT, MARS ALONE WILL NOT BE BHADHAK, BUT > SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH WILL ALL BE BHADHAKS. SO MARS ALONG WITH PLANET > IN MARS NAKSHATRA, OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE AND PLANETS IN THE > NAKSHATRA OF THE OCCUPANTS OF 9TH HOUSE WILL ALL BE BHADHAK GRAHAS

> FOR THE NATIVE. > > YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT " just asI would be advised to check the 9th > Sublord to go for significations of father ...... " SEEMS INCORRECT > TO ME AS 9TH SUBLORD DOESN'T MEAN SIGNIFICATIONS OF FATHER. FOR

> SIGNIFICATION OF FATHER, WE SHOULD USE SIGNIFICATORS OF 9TH HOUSE > (OWENR, OCCUPANTS, PLANENTS IN THE NAKSHATRA OF OWNER AND OCCUPANTS) > AND NOT THE CUSPAL SUB LORD OF 9TH HOUSE. IT MAY BE JUST DO THE THE

> DIFFERNECE IN TERMINOLOGY, BUT MY REQUEST IS TO STICK TO KP > TERMINOLOGY TO AVOID CONFUSION. > > > 3) When the> > other significating planets become variable as per the Sub Lords of

> the> > Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always as > fixed ,> > to be the badhak Lord ? > AS I MENTIONED, IN KP, 9TH LORD MARS ALONE AS BADHAK HAS NO MEANING.

> WE SHOULD SEE THE FULL SIGNIFICATORS OF THE BADHAK HOUSE (9TH HOUSE > IN CASE OF LEO ASCENDANT) FOR KNOWING THE BHADHAK PLANETS. > > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and> > the 4th and 9th Lord also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it

> imply> > that for a Leo ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be > full> > of badhas, and so will be the education or domestic bliss or the> > significations of the 9th House ?

> NO. 9TH IS BADHAK HOUSE OF THE NATIVE. FOR MOTHER, WE SHOULD FIND OUT > THE BADHAK HOUSE FROM 4TH AND FOR FATHER FROM 9TH. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR > THE NATIVE OF LEO ASCENDANT, 4TH HOUSE SHOULD BE SCORPIO (STHIR

> SIGN). SO FOR THE MOTHER, THE BADHAK HOUSE WILL BE 9TH FROM 4TH I.E. > 12TH HOUSE. FEW KP ASTROLOGERS ARE OF OPINION THAT WE SHOULD RECAST > THE CHART TAKING 4TH HOUSE DEGREE AS ASCENDANT IN SUCH A CASE AND

> THEN FIGURE OUT 9TH HOUSE SIGNIFICATION THERE OF. > > > 5) Actually what will Mars represent> > for a Leo Ascendant ? Mother ? Father ? Brother ? Badhak Lord ?> > Yogkaraka ?

> IN KP THERE IS NO CONCEPT OF REPRESENTATION. 4TH CUSPAL SUB LORD WILL > TELL ABOUT MOTHER, 9TH CUSPAL SUB LORD WILL TELL AOBUT FATHER. > SIGNIFICATORS OF BADHAK HOUSE ALONG WITH SINIFICATORS OF MARAK HOUSE

> WILL GIVE THE DEATH TO THE NATIVE IN THEIR DASA PERIOD. EVEN IF WE > ACCEEPT THE OTHER SCHOOLD THAT SAYS THAT BADHAK WILL HINDER > EVERYTHING, IT WILL BE ONLY FOR NATIVE AND NOT FOR NATIVE'S MOTHER OR

> FATHER. FOR FIGURING OUT BADHAKAS FOR NATIVE'S MOTHER OR FATHER, WE > SHOULD CALCULATE THE BADHAKAS FROM 4TH AND 9TH HOUSE RESPECTIVELY. > > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love

> > is always going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the > Lord> > of the 8th House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is > never> > going to be successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget

> Jupiter> > all this and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever > planet> > it may be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ? > IN MY OPINION, WE SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON 5TH CUSPAL SUB LORD, AS SIGN

> BASED TRADITIONAL LORDSHIP HAS NOT BE GIVEN MUCH IMPORTANCE IN KP. > FOR SEEING PROMISE RELATED TO A HOUSE, WE SHOULD CONSIDER CUSPAL > SUBLORD. FOR FINDING OUT WHEN AN EVENT WILL HAPPEN, WE SHOUDL SEE THE

> SIGNIFICATORS FOR A HOUSE AND MATCH WITH DASA/ TRANSIT ETC. > > > > regards, Bhaskar.> >>

 

 

 

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Dear Friend,

 

It seems that you're saying " The KP rules are not yet complete. " without

thoroughly and fully studying the KP Readers, for instance about

Bhdhaka in KP Reader III, to take transit at the place where the native

is currently located in KP Reader V, 5th house for materialisation of

love affair, not marriage in KP Reader VI.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

> Namaskar.

> I do agree to what you have expressed in your message. Prof. KSK was

also a traditional astrologer. The padhati propounded by him heils from

traditional only. So traditional system cannot be winded up. The KP

rules are not yet complete. We are unable to reach to conclusion in all

cases. So I do not think it unholy if we take help of Vadic of

Traditional till that time when KP rules can give out all or at least 90

%. Since this is a KP group every one of us wishes that every thing be

done following KP. We have to remember while doing so we are not lost

some where. Substanciation or fortification of KP by taking help of

other syatem should not be condemned but welcomed if it is valuable.

> With regards.

> Dr. Luther Rath

>

> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord

???

>

> Monday, December 15, 2008, 5:55 PM

>

Dear Satish ji,

> You may find this funny -

> I have been mixing KP, as well as Traditional, as well as Lal Kitab

since few months , and now learning Western Progressions, which also I

will mix in future. I will also mix Fixed stars in future. Now does all

this sound impossible sacrilgeous and unholy ?

> Learning many systems does not matter, as long as one knows what to

mix and how much to mix and where to mix and uptil what stage to mix.

> When you find the 2nd Cusp afflicted. The Planet in the 2nd Cusp

afflicted and also the Planet owning the 2nd Cusp afflicted, you come to

a important decesion about the 2nd Cusp, to tell the native.

> In same way when I find the same result using a number of approaches

for what subject matter I am looking for, it makes my job easier and

more accurate.

> I have done Traditional astrology for many years, and Kp for few

years, so I believe I have the capacity to make a good mix. And of

course we will always remain a eternal student because to become a

Master of one single approach , there is no scale of measure to define

the same.

> I still learn from veterans like Shri Lajmiji and Sunilji and

Raichurji and Lutherji and so many others. So this learning process is a

ongoing and continous one. But I agree that for new students, a mix of 2

systems is not healthy , but only confusing.

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar.

>

>

> @gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Punitji,

> >

> > My reasoning is simple. We are in the process of

learning abranch of astrology different from traditional .As students,

half knowledge can confuse. Veterans like you and other Seniors, perhaps

do tackle any astrological puzzle on more than 2 levels.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey punitp@

> > Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub

Lord ???

> > @gro ups.com

> > Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:56 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Satish ji,

> >

> > I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP with

traditional is not 'desireable. ' I personally have got good results

combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both the

systems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand what

all features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot.

> >

> > Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, is

being used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, I

see many references to Badhakas in " AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti

Paddhati " by Shari Shanmugam and KMS.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ >

wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,

> >

> > In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these

coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this many

astrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or bad

in KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.

> >

> > Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but not

desirable.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Satish

> >

> > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>

wrote:

> >

> > sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>

> > Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub

Lord ???

> >

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > dear bhaskar,

> > u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)

> > for mother moon and 4th house both

> > ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

> > answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if any

planet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result for

badhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,

> > thanx

> > sampa

> >

> > --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord

???

> > @gro ups.com

> >

> > Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Masters of KP

> >

> > I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.

> >

> > 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

> > Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how

> > to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and

Moon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to

represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?

> >

> > 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th

Cusp-

> > If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to

represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Mars

fixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo

??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord

, just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for

significations of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger

brother ?

> >

> > 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

> > Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord

Mars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?

> >

> > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord

also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo

ascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and

so will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the

9th House ?

> >

> > 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?

> > Mother ?

> > Father ?

> > Brother ?

> > Badhak Lord ?

> > Yogkaraka ?

> >

> > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always

going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th

House, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be

successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this

and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may

be, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?

> >

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

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~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

 

Dear tw

 

You are right as per Reader VI on Page 154 Query: How long will One Live ? Para 2: If the Asc is in a movable sign, the 11th house is the Badhaksthana, if the Asc Falls in a Fixed sign, 9th house is the badhakasthana, if the Asc falls in a common sign, the 7th house is the Badhakasthana. Page 155 Para 2 Krishnamurti Padhadhati: Note the Sub-Lord of the Asc. If he is depositated in the Star of the significators of Badhakasthana and Marakasthana the life will be short after the time of judgement. So that means there is still more conditions to be observed frist before one can reach to decision making and that is most important.

According to the strength of the lord of star in which the Sub Lord of the Asc (OR related House) is deposited, one is to fix the dasha and the sub periods. Here it is clearly given that StarLord of Sub will decide that what the native will have in its destiny. The properties of that Sign will give the clue in which the starlord is placed in Today's horary chart. Hope this will clear more of the consequence.

 

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 12:30 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,It seems that you're saying " The KP rules are not yet complete. " withoutthoroughly and fully studying the KP Readers, for instance aboutBhdhaka in KP Reader III, to take transit at the place where the native

is currently located in KP Reader V, 5th house for materialisation oflove affair, not marriage in KP Reader VI.Regards,tw , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>> Dear Bhaskarji,> Namaskar.> I do agree to what you have expressed in your message. Prof. KSK wasalso a traditional astrologer. The padhati propounded by him heils fromtraditional only. So traditional system cannot be winded up. The KP

rules are not yet complete. We are unable to reach to conclusion in allcases. So I do not think it unholy if we take help of Vadic ofTraditional till that time when KP rules can give out all or at least 90%. Since this is a KP group every one of us wishes that every thing be

done following KP. We have to remember while doing so we are not lostsome where. Substanciation or fortification of KP by taking help ofother syatem should not be condemned but welcomed if it is valuable.> With regards.

> Dr. Luther Rath>> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord

???> > Monday, December 15, 2008, 5:55 PM>>>>>>>> Dear Satish ji,

> You may find this funny -> I have been mixing KP, as well as Traditional, as well as Lal Kitabsince few months , and now learning Western Progressions, which also Iwill mix in future. I will also mix Fixed stars in future. Now does all

this sound impossible sacrilgeous and unholy ?> Learning many systems does not matter, as long as one knows what tomix and how much to mix and where to mix and uptil what stage to mix.> When you find the 2nd Cusp afflicted. The Planet in the 2nd Cusp

afflicted and also the Planet owning the 2nd Cusp afflicted, you come toa important decesion about the 2nd Cusp, to tell the native.> In same way when I find the same result using a number of approachesfor what subject matter I am looking for, it makes my job easier and

more accurate.> I have done Traditional astrology for many years, and Kp for fewyears, so I believe I have the capacity to make a good mix. And ofcourse we will always remain a eternal student because to become a

Master of one single approach , there is no scale of measure to definethe same.> I still learn from veterans like Shri Lajmiji and Sunilji andRaichurji and Lutherji and so many others. So this learning process is a

ongoing and continous one. But I agree that for new students, a mix of 2systems is not healthy , but only confusing.> best wishes,> Bhaskar.>>> @gro ups.com, R Satish <rsatish1942@ ...> wrote:

> >> > Dear Punitji,> >> > My reasoning is simple. We are in the process oflearning abranch of astrology different from traditional .As students,half knowledge can confuse. Veterans like you and other Seniors, perhaps

do tackle any astrological puzzle on more than 2 levels.> >> > Regards,> >> > Satish> >> > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> >> > Punit Pandey punitp@

> > Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th SubLord ???> > @gro ups.com> > Monday, December 15, 2008, 12:56 PM

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Satish ji,> >> > I disagree with your last statement that usage of KP withtraditional is not 'desireable. ' I personally have got good results

combining both the branches. Though I am sure that combining both thesystems is confusing and we have to experiment a lot to understand whatall features of both the systems can work together and what all cannot.

> >> > Badhakas, though used only for judging longevity by Shri KSK, isbeing used by KP astrologers for all purposes now a days. Especially, Isee many references to Badhakas in " AstroSecrets and Krishanmurti

Paddhati " by Shari Shanmugam and KMS.> >> > Thanks & Regards,> >> > Punit Pandey> >> >> >> > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 8:20 PM, R Satish <rsatish1942@ >

wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Bhaskara Jyotish garu,> >> > In KP system the terms, Karakas and badhakas are not used,these

coming under the domain of Vedic astrology. Not withstanding this manyastrologers combine these two systems. No planet is totally good or badin KP, but is subject to its starlord/sublord significations.> >

> > Joining these two syatems,KP/Vedic is interesting but notdesirable.> >> > Regards,> >> > Satish> >> > --- On Sun, 12/14/08, sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>

wrote:> >> > sampa mitra <sampa_mitra2000@ .co. in>> > Re: Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th SubLord ???

> >> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, December 14, 2008, 5:39 PM> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> >> >> > dear bhaskar,> > u should judge for father 9th and sun also(both)> > for mother moon and 4th house both> > ur 2nd question is for leo asc, mars is badhakaor not?

> > answer is mars is not badhaka, aries is badhaka sthana, if anyplanet posited in 9th bhaba, in aries, they will give the result forbadhaka if the question arise for longivity otherwise not,> > thanx

> > sampa> >> > --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> >> >> > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

> > Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord???> > @gro ups.com> >> > Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM

> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Masters of KP> >> > I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.> >> > 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?

> > Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how> > to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun andMoon to confirm the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to

represent Mother and the 9th SL to represent Father ?> >> > 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9thCusp-> > If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to

represent Mother and Father repsectively, then why must we keep Marsfixed, as the Badhak Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo??? Why should we not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord

, just asI would be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go forsignifications of father or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for youngerbrother ?> >> > 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the

> > Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi LordMars, always as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?> >> > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord

also being Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leoascendant Mother and Father -areas would always be full of badhas, andso will be the education or domestic bliss or the significations of the9th House ?

> >> > 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?> > Mother ?> > Father ?> > Brother ?> > Badhak Lord ?> > Yogkaraka ?> >> > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always

going to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8thHouse, then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to besuccessfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this

and just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it maybe, to judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?> >> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >

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Dear Friends,

It's common that "Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house.

Father is represented by 9th house and Sun." Among the headings about planets in KP Reader

II pp 238/245, there are "Sun- The Father" and "Moon- The Mother".

The limited use of Karaka in KP had been discussed in Msg#16304 and related thread.

Regards,tw

, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Raichur ji,> > I have not seen usage of sthir karkas like Moon for mother in KP. Any> suggestion how to use sthir karaka in KP? For example, if I have to judge> mother using KP principles, I'll only consider 4th cuspal sub lord and not> Moon.> > Suppose I have to check the longevity of my mother, how should I use Moon?> If Moon is in 6, 8, 12, I should see problem related to her longevity? Or> if Moon is 6,8,12 from 4th house I should see problem? Or we should rotate> the chart taking Moon as lagna and then we should judge? As I said I have> never tried using sthir karakas in KP and would like to know application of> sthir karakas in KP of other forum members.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Raichur-a-r raichurar wrote:> > > Dear friend> > Mother is always by Moon, and 4th house. Father is represted yb 9th house> > and Sun> > *raichur anant mumbai*> >> >> > --- On *Sun, 14/12/08, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish* wrote:> >> > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Badhak for Leo ? Mars - Or the 9th Sub Lord ???> > > > Sunday, 14 December, 2008, 12:20 PM> >> > Dear Masters of KP> >> > I have a few doubts as under, which please be kind enought to clear.> >> > 1) Which planet represents Mother and Father for a Leo Ascendant ?> > Is it Mars who represents both 4th and 9th house ? In that case how> > to differentiate the results ? Or should we add the karaka Sun and Moon to confirm> > the results ? Or should we see the 4th SL for Mother to represent Mother and> > the 9th SL to represent Father ?> >> > 2) In case you advise to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th Cusp-> > If we have to check the Sub Lords of the 4th and 9th cusp to represent Mother> > and Father repsectively, *then why must we keep Mars fixed, **as the **Badhak> > Lord in our studies for a Fixed ascendant Like Leo ??? **Why should **we> > not see the 9th Sub Lord to represent the badhak Lord , **just as**I would> > be advised to check the 9th Sublord to go for significations **of father> > or 4th Sub Lord for mother, or 3rd for younger brother ?*> >> > 3) When the other significating planets become variable as per the> > Sub Lords of the Cusps, then why must we hold the 9th Raashi Lord Mars, always> > as fixed , to be the badhak Lord ?> >> > 4) In case the 9th Lord Mars is badhak, and the 4th and 9th Lord also being> > Mars for Leo ascendant, does it imply that for a Leo ascendant Mother and> > Father -areas would always be full of badhas, and so will be the education> > or domestic bliss or the significations of the 9th House ?> >> > 5) Actually what will Mars represent for a Leo Ascendant ?> > Mother ?> > Father ?> > Brother ?> > Badhak Lord ?> > Yogkaraka ?> >> > 6) Since the 5th Lord of Leo ascendant or the Lord of Love is always going> > to be Jupiter whgo is always going to be also the Lord of the 8th House,> > then should we presume that the Leo nativity is never going to be> > successfull in his Love affairs ? Or shall we forget Jupiter all this and> > just concentrate on the 5th Cusp SubLord which ever planet it may be, to> > judge the promise of Love in the natives Life ?> >> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> > ------------------------------> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.<http://in.rd./tagline_messenger_6/*http://messenger./invite/>> >> > > >>

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