Please examine and correct BT.

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Rectification

of birth time.- 

correction.

 

Dear friends:

Please read as below.  Reference Previous post on subject:

“Step 3 The Ruling

Planets   At time of judgment should

agree with

 (a)Ruling Plants at the birth

and /OR

(b) SgnL StrL SbL SSL 

Of Ascendant at Birth

  AGAIN if not

(C )  SgnL StrL SbL   of ASCENDANT at birth  should be connected  by SUB- CONST ( not by Sign)   TO   SgnL    StrL    SBL  OF  

Moon at MOJ    through   time chart 

at each level.”  [Refer Rao paper based on teachings of swami Omkar

and others]

If connection exists at first three levels that is sgn-star-sub

then decide Sub-sub

of ASC at Birth by   Rider (in time chart

if Planet is in ASC OR VII, its sub – sub could rise.)/ Sex of native by

KP method OR Nav-amsa Dwadash-amsa

..In later use Chitra Paksha

Ayanamsa for time arrived..

 

I did not post TIME LINE of events for Native in

question.

This method works fine in most of cases, but this

case it does not work hence   this

posting is to learn more.

With best wishes.

 

[Guest guest]

 

Dear RCS,

 

At MOJ, Moon is under dire influence of Sat (punarphoo effect), hence doubtful assessment. Further Moon is in close proximity to 3 other planets, notably Sun( new moon effect).

 

Suggest give it another go, at a different time.You would probably get correct answer. Since Mars, Ketu are common, a time closer to 8p.m is more likely.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Thu, 11/27/08, swami <swami wrote:

swami <swami Please examine and correct BT. Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 5:44 PM

 

 

 

 

Rectification of birth time.

Please examine and tell if conclusion is correct.

There was deep urge to find correct Ascendant rising in mind of Astrologer.

Moment of judgment was (MOJ) 15:30:19 IST at 27N11 78E02 on 27 Nov 2008.

He had data of native from Hospital records DOB was 04 October 1945 TOB 19:05:00 at 27N11 78E02.

STEP 1:RP at MOJ were Lagna: Mars Ketu

Moon: Mars Saturn Venus Sun

RAHU: Sat Moon Mercury Rahu

KETU: Moon Mercury Ketu Rahu

DAY LORD: Jupiter

The primary RPs are Ma, Ju, Sa, Ke.

Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ra.

Effective Ruling Planets: Ma, Ju, Sa, Ra, Ke.

Recorded Time of birth by hospital was 8:10 IST, but it is not certain it was noted according to IST war time or in IST current.

Due to war, IST was` made faster by one hour and it was called New IST (War time).

Thus we are required to do rectification and verification of birth time arrived for Ascendants that rises between 7:10PM to say 8: 30 PM.

Step 2. Find ASC at both time ranges.

ASC at 7:10 comes Pisces 22:02:04 JUP MER SUN MER.

ASC at 8:30 comes Aries 11:56:15 MAR KET MER VEN.

 

Step 3 The Ruling Planets At time of judgment should agree with Ruling Plants at the birth and /OR SgnL StrL SbL SSL Of Ascendant at Birth AGAIN if not SgnL StrL SbL SSL of ASCENDANT should be connected by SUB- CONST OF time chart at each level.

Rider is , in time chart if Planet is in ASC OR VII, its sub – sub could rise.

HERE planets at MOJ are

PLT Sgn DMS SgnL StrL SbL SUBBL

SUN: Sc 011:38:31 Ma Sa Mo Sa

MOO: Sc 008:29:35 Ma Sa Ve Su

MAR: Sc 014:04:18 Ma Sa Ra Ke

MER: Sc 012:36:17 Ma Sa Ma Me

JUP: Sg 027:34:07 Ju Su Mo Ra

VEN: Sg 023:41:55 Ju Ve Sa Ra

SAT: Le 026:48:51 Su Su Su Ra

RAH: Cp 018:54:08 Sa Mo Me Ra

KET: Cn 018:54:08 Mo Me Ke Ra

VII house has MOON placed in it.

ASC Arrived by astrologer is Aries 10:40:21 giving Mars - Ketu – Sat- Moon

TOB is 8:06:02 PM. Day lord at birth is Jupiter.

KP new Ayanamsa is used. Comments and corrections are requested.

 

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

Dear Satish ji,

Yes you are right.

Your inference about other trial is well founded.

My logic was , to explore how much help and reliable are RP.

In instant case, affliction of moon at MOJ suggested me that at conception or at birth;conception or body had time of trial and tribulation to survive.

The fact was this Native was delivered within 7 months of intrauterine life.

That is why, based on knowledge of condition at birth of Native I wanted to verify working.

with regards..

OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

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R Satish

Friday, November 28, 2008 11:30 AM

Re: Please examine and correct BT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear RCS,

 

At MOJ, Moon is under dire influence of Sat (punarphoo effect), hence doubtful assessment. Further Moon is in close proximity to 3 other planets, notably Sun( new moon effect).

 

Suggest give it another go, at a different time.You would probably get correct answer. Since Mars, Ketu are common, a time closer to 8p.m is more likely.

 

Regards,

 

Satish--- On Thu, 11/27/08, swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> wrote:

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Please examine and correct BT. Date: Thursday, November 27, 2008, 5:44 PM

 

 

 

 

Rectification of birth time.

Please examine and tell if conclusion is correct.

There was deep urge to find correct Ascendant rising in mind of Astrologer.

Moment of judgment was (MOJ) 15:30:19 IST at 27N11 78E02 on 27 Nov 2008.

He had data of native from Hospital records DOB was 04 October 1945 TOB 19:05:00 at 27N11 78E02. STEP 1:RP at MOJ were Lagna: Mars Ketu

Moon: Mars Saturn Venus Sun RAHU: Sat Moon Mercury Rahu KETU: Moon Mercury Ketu Rahu DAY LORD: Jupiter

The primary RPs are Ma, Ju, Sa, Ke. Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ra. Effective Ruling Planets: Ma, Ju, Sa, Ra, Ke.

Recorded Time of birth by hospital was 8:10 IST, but it is not certain it was noted according to IST war time or in IST current. Due to war, IST was` made faster by one hour and it was called New IST (War time). Thus we are required to do rectification and verification of birth time arrived for Ascendants that rises between 7:10PM to say 8: 30 PM. Step 2. Find ASC at both time ranges. ASC at 7:10 comes Pisces 22:02:04 JUP MER SUN MER. ASC at 8:30 comes Aries 11:56:15 MAR KET MER VEN. Step 3 The Ruling Planets At time of judgment should agree with Ruling Plants at the birth and /OR SgnL StrL SbL SSL Of Ascendant at Birth AGAIN if not SgnL StrL SbL SSL of ASCENDANT should be connected by SUB- CONST OF time chart at each level. Rider is , in time chart if Planet is in ASC OR VII, its sub – sub could rise. HERE planets at MOJ are

PLT Sgn DMS SgnL StrL SbL SUBBL SUN: Sc 011:38:31 Ma Sa Mo Sa MOO: Sc 008:29:35 Ma Sa Ve Su MAR: Sc 014:04:18 Ma Sa Ra Ke MER: Sc 012:36:17 Ma Sa Ma Me JUP: Sg 027:34:07 Ju Su Mo Ra VEN: Sg 023:41:55 Ju Ve Sa Ra SAT: Le 026:48:51 Su Su Su Ra RAH: Cp 018:54:08 Sa Mo Me Ra KET: Cn 018:54:08 Mo Me Ke Ra VII house has MOON placed in it. ASC Arrived by astrologer is Aries 10:40:21 giving Mars - Ketu – Sat- Moon TOB is 8:06:02 PM. Day lord at birth is Jupiter. KP new Ayanamsa is used. Comments and corrections are requested.

[Guest guest]

Dear Swami ji,

 

You have mentioned "He had data of native from Hospital records DOB was

04 Oct 1945 TOB 19:05:00 at 27N11 78E02"

However at the end of Step 1 it is stated "Recorded time of Birth by Hospital

was 8:10 IST, but it is not certain it was noted according to IST war time or

in IST current"

 

Which is the correct time recorded by Hospital?

If there is only doubt whether war time was recorded or current IST, I can

understand checking ascendants at 7:10 pm and 8:10 pm (assuming the

recorded time is 8:10 pm). What is the reason for checking Asc at 8:30 pm?

 

Since Mars appears as Asc Lord and Moon Rashi Lord at TOJ, is very strong

RP. Asc lord at 8:10 pm is Mars (while at 7:10 pm it is Jup...day lord a weakest

RP) So birth time of 8:10 appears to be correct, unless there is any reason for

further rectification.

 

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

 

swami <swami Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:14:35 AM Please examine and correct BT.

 

 

 

Rectification of birth time.

Please examine and tell if conclusion is correct.

There was deep urge to find correct Ascendant rising in mind of Astrologer.

Moment of judgment was (MOJ) 15:30:19 IST at 27N11 78E02 on 27 Nov 2008.

He had data of native from Hospital records DOB was 04 October 1945 TOB 19:05:00 at 27N11 78E02.

STEP 1:RP at MOJ were

Lagna: Mars Ketu

Moon: Mars Saturn Venus Sun

RAHU: Sat Moon Mercury Rahu

KETU: Moon Mercury Ketu Rahu

DAY LORD: Jupiter

The primary RPs are Ma, Ju, Sa, Ke.

Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ra.

Effective Ruling Planets: Ma, Ju, Sa, Ra, Ke.

Recorded Time of birth by hospital was 8:10 IST, but it is not certain it was noted according to IST war time or in IST current.

Due to war, IST was` made faster by one hour and it was called New IST (War time).

Thus we are required to do rectification and verification of birth time arrived for Ascendants that rises between 7:10PM to say 8: 30 PM.

Step 2. Find ASC at both time ranges.

ASC at 7:10 comes Pisces 22:02:04 JUP MER SUN MER.

ASC at 8:30 comes Aries 11:56:15 MAR KET MER VEN.

 

Step 3 The Ruling Planets At time of judgment should agree with Ruling Plants at the birth and /OR SgnL StrL SbL SSL Of Ascendant at Birth AGAIN if not SgnL StrL SbL SSL of ASCENDANT should be connected by SUB- CONST OF time chart at each level.

Rider is , in time chart if Planet is in ASC OR VII, its sub – sub could rise.

HERE planets at MOJ are

PLT Sgn DMS SgnL StrL SbL SUBBL

SUN: Sc 011:38:31 Ma Sa Mo Sa

MOO: Sc 008:29:35 Ma Sa Ve Su

MAR: Sc 014:04:18 Ma Sa Ra Ke

MER: Sc 012:36:17 Ma Sa Ma Me

JUP: Sg 027:34:07 Ju Su Mo Ra

VEN: Sg 023:41:55 Ju Ve Sa Ra

SAT: Le 026:48:51 Su Su Su Ra

RAH: Cp 018:54:08 Sa Mo Me Ra

KET: Cn 018:54:08 Mo Me Ke Ra

VII house has MOON placed in it.

ASC Arrived by astrologer is Aries 10:40:21 giving Mars - Ketu – Sat- Moon

TOB is 8:06:02 PM. Day lord at birth is Jupiter.

KP new Ayanamsa is used. Comments and corrections are requested.

 

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Hare Ram Krishna

 

 

Dear Subhash ji,

When Native was about 25 years old around 1970 His father got Birth records traced from hospital.

Father of Native got horoscope made from local pundit who had mentioned birth time in Ishta Ghati and wrote ASC to be Aries 29 degree. This was time when Native was to be married, for matching father was worried otherwise He had no faith in astrology.

 

From second Para I understand you have correctly got the issue. Confusion about records of hospital time is obvious and is reflected in first line as pointed in your mail. Incidentally I forget to write PM after time and quoted time in current Format of Time zone. The range of time in which birth could have occurred has been taken as shown.

 

This native got birth time rectified by Vedic astrologers of repute, and they arrived BT to be 20:29.

Therefore I took the range of time from few minutes before 19:10 to 20:30 for examination.

As is well known War time applied from 1 September 1942 to 14 October 1945. Birth date of Native falls ten days before (close to ending) war time date, therefore one hour possible variation of time is also taken into consideration.

At this time I do not remember ghat - vighati of this Native.

With regards OM TATSAT------------------------Swami_RCSrivastava AstrologerTeaching & Consultationshttp:\\www.kaalvastu.com -----------------------" Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who hascreated the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding."--

 

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Subhash Ektare

Friday, November 28, 2008 1:17 PM

Re: Please examine and correct BT.

 

 

 

 

Dear Swami ji,

 

You have mentioned "He had data of native from Hospital records DOB was

04 Oct 1945 TOB 19:05:00 at 27N11 78E02"

However at the end of Step 1 it is stated "Recorded time of Birth by Hospital

was 8:10 IST, but it is not certain it was noted according to IST war time or

in IST current"

 

Which is the correct time recorded by Hospital?

If there is only doubt whether war time was recorded or current IST, I can

understand checking ascendants at 7:10 pm and 8:10 pm (assuming the

recorded time is 8:10 pm). What is the reason for checking Asc at 8:30 pm?

 

Since Mars appears as Asc Lord and Moon Rashi Lord at TOJ, is very strong

RP. Asc lord at 8:10 pm is Mars (while at 7:10 pm it is Jup...day lord a weakest

RP) So birth time of 8:10 appears to be correct, unless there is any reason for

further rectification.

 

Subhash Ektare

 

 

 

 

 

swami <swami (AT) kaalvastu (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:14:35 AM Please examine and correct BT.

 

 

 

Rectification of birth time.

Please examine and tell if conclusion is correct.

There was deep urge to find correct Ascendant rising in mind of Astrologer.

Moment of judgment was (MOJ) 15:30:19 IST at 27N11 78E02 on 27 Nov 2008.

He had data of native from Hospital records DOB was 04 October 1945 TOB 19:05:00 at 27N11 78E02.

STEP 1:RP at MOJ were

Lagna: Mars Ketu

Moon: Mars Saturn Venus Sun

RAHU: Sat Moon Mercury Rahu

KETU: Moon Mercury Ketu Rahu

DAY LORD: Jupiter

The primary RPs are Ma, Ju, Sa, Ke.

Planets aspected by the primary RPs: Ra.

Effective Ruling Planets: Ma, Ju, Sa, Ra, Ke.

Recorded Time of birth by hospital was 8:10 IST, but it is not certain it was noted according to IST war time or in IST current.

Due to war, IST was` made faster by one hour and it was called New IST (War time).

Thus we are required to do rectification and verification of birth time arrived for Ascendants that rises between 7:10PM to say 8: 30 PM.

Step 2. Find ASC at both time ranges.

ASC at 7:10 comes Pisces 22:02:04 JUP MER SUN MER.

ASC at 8:30 comes Aries 11:56:15 MAR KET MER VEN.

 

Step 3 The Ruling Planets At time of judgment should agree with Ruling Plants at the birth and /OR SgnL StrL SbL SSL Of Ascendant at Birth AGAIN if not SgnL StrL SbL SSL of ASCENDANT should be connected by SUB- CONST OF time chart at each level.

Rider is , in time chart if Planet is in ASC OR VII, its sub – sub could rise.

HERE planets at MOJ are

PLT Sgn DMS SgnL StrL SbL SUBBL

SUN: Sc 011:38:31 Ma Sa Mo Sa

MOO: Sc 008:29:35 Ma Sa Ve Su

MAR: Sc 014:04:18 Ma Sa Ra Ke

MER: Sc 012:36:17 Ma Sa Ma Me

JUP: Sg 027:34:07 Ju Su Mo Ra

VEN: Sg 023:41:55 Ju Ve Sa Ra

SAT: Le 026:48:51 Su Su Su Ra

RAH: Cp 018:54:08 Sa Mo Me Ra

KET: Cn 018:54:08 Mo Me Ke Ra

VII house has MOON placed in it.

ASC Arrived by astrologer is Aries 10:40:21 giving Mars - Ketu – Sat- Moon

TOB is 8:06:02 PM. Day lord at birth is Jupiter.

KP new Ayanamsa is used. Comments and corrections are requested.