Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Dear Members, It is heartening to see that a member has taken the initiative to raise the topic of gays/lesbians which most fear even to whisper.I appreciate the bold move. It cannot be denied that such aberrations exists in our society,some say it is liberation.The western society which is less hypocritical has given a nod even for their marriage. Any keen observer of international affairs will notice that movement for legalising the marriage of gays/lesbians is gathering momentum,especially in USA.A day will come when the Indian society will have to shed this ostrich like attitude. Now that the topic has been taken up by the learned members for research it would be appropriate that astrological methods for determining the compatibility for marriage between two gays/lesbians will have to be explored,as is between two heterosexuals.The matter may be raised at the forthcoming International meet of KP astrologers in December 2008.It is pertinent to note that gay/lesbian issue is under the consideration of some Indian Courts. M.S.Rao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Dear Suresh Ji,Can U pl. allow me to put some words here.I totally agree with yr ideas, because , first as novices we must collect all the detailed facts of the life matters. Especially on the lives of youngers, who are in the queue for marriage. I wish to disclose an incident of a newly married couple here in Sri Lanka in a Coastal area. The bridegroom has not gone to the bed with her fiancee even in the first day night. The girl has not mentioned with any elders and thought that her husband is suffering from any sickness. After the suffring of three months she had made a complin to her own mother. After a secret investigation they have found that the boy is engaging in gay and divorced.If any astrologer had predicted the situation at the time of matching the couple this unfortunate seperation would not be happend.But no astologer knows the rule for this.Now I have got some old text and able to make a rule for this tendacy, and already posted to the forum.Thank USunaparanthahattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:05:21 PM Gays/Lesbians Dear Bhasker I am surprised to read your latest post.I seem to have touched a raw nerve.The reason for query was a reference of a horoscope of a boy who is suspected to have these tendencies and his one engagement as well as one marriage was broken.The girls did not talk about the problem.They simply left him.Since I did not know astrological reasons for this I made this query to members of the list.I am also not comfortable with birth time rectification or with four step theory but I don't want to close my mind and I am curious.Astrology is a lifetime study and we may still not be experts.At least I consider myself a novice in both traditional as well as KP.KP has given surprising results which have overwhelmed me but still many questions remain.In this respect I am always reminded of the story of elephant and six blind men. Mr L.Y.Rao has given clues and they do explain such behaviour.Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Dear Friends, Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. Let us focus on astrology. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. .. As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga " and " Subhaga Yoga " If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam) When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets.. Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up. Analyzing Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02 " (NKPA 22:43:56) Name : Rock HudsonPlace : Winnetka, USA Date : 17-11-1925 TuesdayTime : 2-15-0 Asc. Vir 08.45.38 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Ve St.L Ve Ju Sb.L Ra Me Ss.L Ju Ra Sat's 3rd aspect to Ven. Sat. is in the House of Ven. Libra. Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. ----------- Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10 " (NKPA 23:22:32) Name : Ricky MartinPlace : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico Date : 24-12-1971 Friday Time : 17-0-0 Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 Ven Sat Sg.L Sat Ve St.L Su Su Sb.L Ve Ke Ss.L Ra Ju Ven is in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. Sat's 10th aspect to Ven. Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star. SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat --- Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18 " (NKPA 22:52:38) Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme.fr/en) Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA Date : 9-4-1936 ThursdayTime : 5-37-0 Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Sat St.L Sat Ju Sb.L Sat Me Ss.L Ju Ve Ven and Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close. Sat's SSL is Ven Both St.L and Sub L of Ven, is Sat --- Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr. Raam Kumar 24-08-1982Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM) Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 Ven Sat Sg.L Mo Me St.L Me Ma Sb.L Ke Ra Ss.L Mo Ve Sat is in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. Ve is the SSL of Sat. St.L of Ve is Me, who is in the SS of Sat. Chart # 05 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji ((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr.xx 17.06.1980 Time: 9.45 pm Place : Delhi Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 Ven Sat Sg.L Ve Su St.L Ma Su Sb.L Sat Su Ss.L Ma Ve Ven's Sub is Sat. Sat's SSL is Ve. Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. Conclusion Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian. Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic. And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration. And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors. Good Luck Sunaparantha hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:47:50 PM Gays/Lesbians Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselvesgay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( KP) reasonsfor their sexual aberration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Sorry, I dnt hav knowledge in astrology, i was wondered by this science. Thts it. But the other astrologer didnt said am gay bcoz of venus 10 from moon, he said hyper/debilated sex drive... and added he seen my chart using rahu centric theory and he said two three points which me and god knows.. frm my perefernce n gay sex... and my worry is abt my size of the sexual organ... but i like to know abt my life, hav no one to clarify and get help, puzzled by my life.. leading a hidden life... living with such pain, can u help me atleast please? Any possibility of getting married? its not that easy to live with a guy... plz tell me. My data is in below history, if you have time, plz help me , " swami " <swami wrote: > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Hare Ram Krishna > No dear Ram, > Yashoda Mehta said ,one will have striking sex desire. > He will be passionate and interested in sex. > This is rough translation as i remember.I have all the three books in Gujrati written by him.No he did not mention bhaga chambaga. > It was Dr B.V.Raman who described bhag chumban yoga in his three hundred important yoga. > There are many yoga for sexual perversion in vedic text.Here list is about KP Rules. > > with best wishes. > > OM TATSAT > ------------------------ > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > Teaching & Consultations > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com > ----------------------- > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > -- > > - > raam.kumar > > Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:01 PM > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > > Sorry for posting again, dont know whether my birth details got > posted... > > 24-08-1982 > time: 18:13 (6:13 pm) > place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) > > One of the astrologer told me, before i disclose them am gay, by > looking at venus in 10th from moon, which leads to > " different/debilating sex drive " . Such jathaka is called " bhaga > chambaga " as per some Gujarati author Yasoda Mehta. > > Also he said very true about me, about the role n my gay sex, by using > Rahu centric theory. > > Please analyse and help me, as i am confused with my sexuality and no > idea about my future life. > > Ram > > , " hattangadi_suresh " > <hattangadi_suresh@> wrote: > > > > Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselves > > gay/lesbians?Any study carried out to find astrological(KP) reasons > > for their sexual aberration? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Dear Raam KumarWe can understand Yr problem.But... Sorry to say that there is no any remedy to mentioned.Here the patient is UAs well Physician is also UU must be able to over come the situation U have faced, as U are the only being who know the truth and Yr Subconscious mind.First of all stat meditating today itself and beg for Yr recovery from the God, who is in Yr inner. Try to awake the Inner mind and concentrate.But in this practice U must be in neediness of refraining from the habit, indeed. If U are in good physiological situation of mind, then consult a Psychiatrist first and then a Physician who will be able to help U.May U attain to Happy Lifesunaparantharaam.kumar <rush2ram2 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:05:48 PM Re: Gays/Lesbians Sorry, I dnt hav knowledge in astrology, i was wondered by this science. Thts it. But the other astrologer didnt said am gay bcoz of venus 10 from moon, he said hyper/debilated sex drive... and added he seen my chart using rahu centric theory and he said two three points which me and god knows.. frm my perefernce n gay sex... and my worry is abt my size of the sexual organ... but i like to know abt my life, hav no one to clarify and get help, puzzled by my life.. leading a hidden life... living with such pain, can u help me atleast please? Any possibility of getting married? its not that easy to live with a guy... plz tell me. My data is in below history, if you have time, plz help me @gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote: > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > Hare Ram Krishna > No dear Ram, > Yashoda Mehta said ,one will have striking sex desire. > He will be passionate and interested in sex. > This is rough translation as i remember.I have all the three books in Gujrati written by him.No he did not mention bhaga chambaga. > It was Dr B.V.Raman who described bhag chumban yoga in his three hundred important yoga. > There are many yoga for sexual perversion in vedic text.Here list is about KP Rules. > > with best wishes. > > OM TATSAT > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > Teaching & Consultations > http:\\www.kaalvast u.com > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has > created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. " > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > raam.kumar > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:01 PM > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > > Sorry for posting again, dont know whether my birth details got > posted... > > 24-08-1982 > time: 18:13 (6:13 pm) > place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) > > One of the astrologer told me, before i disclose them am gay, by > looking at venus in 10th from moon, which leads to > "different/debilati ng sex drive". Such jathaka is called "bhaga > chambaga" as per some Gujarati author Yasoda Mehta. > > Also he said very true about me, about the role n my gay sex, by using > Rahu centric theory. > > Please analyse and help me, as i am confused with my sexuality and no > idea about my future life. > > Ram > > @gro ups.com, "hattangadi_ suresh" > <hattangadi_ suresh@> wrote: > > > > Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselves > > gay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( KP) reasons > > for their sexual aberration? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 dear ramkumar. Read the regular article by Dr Kavav Lakdakdaval in CAFE, the part of Hindustan Times. " sex and the city " before you goin astrological reasos raichur anant mumbai --- On Sun, 11/23/08, raam.kumar <rush2ram2 wrote: > raam.kumar <rush2ram2 > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:05 PM > Sorry, I dnt hav knowledge in astrology, i was wondered by > this > science. Thts it. > > But the other astrologer didnt said am gay bcoz of venus 10 > from moon, > he said hyper/debilated sex drive... and added he seen my > chart using > rahu centric theory and he said two three points which me > and god > knows.. frm my perefernce n gay sex... and my worry is abt > my size of > the sexual organ... > > but i like to know abt my life, hav no one to clarify and > get help, > puzzled by my life.. leading a hidden life... living with > such pain, > can u help me atleast please? > > Any possibility of getting married? its not that easy to > live with a > guy... plz tell me. My data is in below history, if you > have time, plz > help me > > , " swami " > <swami wrote: > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Hare Ram Krishna > > No dear Ram, > > Yashoda Mehta said ,one will have striking sex desire. > > He will be passionate and interested in sex. > > This is rough translation as i remember.I have all the > three books > in Gujrati written by him.No he did not mention bhaga > chambaga. > > It was Dr B.V.Raman who described bhag chumban yoga in > his three > hundred important yoga. > > There are many yoga for sexual perversion in vedic > text.Here list is > about KP Rules. > > > > with best wishes. > > > > OM TATSAT > > > ------------------------ > > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > > Teaching & Consultations > > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com > > > ----------------------- > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of > that Divine Being > who has > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our > understanding. " > > > -- > > > > - > > raam.kumar > > > > Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:01 PM > > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > > > > > Sorry for posting again, dont know whether my birth > details got > > posted... > > > > 24-08-1982 > > time: 18:13 (6:13 pm) > > place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) > > > > One of the astrologer told me, before i disclose > them am gay, by > > looking at venus in 10th from moon, which leads to > > " different/debilating sex drive " . Such > jathaka is called " bhaga > > chambaga " as per some Gujarati author Yasoda > Mehta. > > > > Also he said very true about me, about the role n my > gay sex, by > using > > Rahu centric theory. > > > > Please analyse and help me, as i am confused with my > sexuality and > no > > idea about my future life. > > > > Ram > > > > , > " hattangadi_suresh " > > <hattangadi_suresh@> wrote: > > > > > > Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who > have declared > themselves > > > gay/lesbians?Any study carried out to find > astrological(KP) > reasons > > > for their sexual aberration? > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Thanks for one and all... Ram , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > dear ramkumar. Read the regular article by Dr Kavav Lakdakdaval in CAFE, the part of Hindustan Times. " sex and the city " before you goin astrological reasos > > raichur anant mumbai > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, raam.kumar <rush2ram2 wrote: > > > raam.kumar <rush2ram2 > > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > > > Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:05 PM > > Sorry, I dnt hav knowledge in astrology, i was wondered by > > this > > science. Thts it. > > > > But the other astrologer didnt said am gay bcoz of venus 10 > > from moon, > > he said hyper/debilated sex drive... and added he seen my > > chart using > > rahu centric theory and he said two three points which me > > and god > > knows.. frm my perefernce n gay sex... and my worry is abt > > my size of > > the sexual organ... > > > > but i like to know abt my life, hav no one to clarify and > > get help, > > puzzled by my life.. leading a hidden life... living with > > such pain, > > can u help me atleast please? > > > > Any possibility of getting married? its not that easy to > > live with a > > guy... plz tell me. My data is in below history, if you > > have time, plz > > help me > > > > , " swami " > > <swami@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Om Gurave Namah || > > > Hare Ram Krishna > > > No dear Ram, > > > Yashoda Mehta said ,one will have striking sex desire. > > > He will be passionate and interested in sex. > > > This is rough translation as i remember.I have all the > > three books > > in Gujrati written by him.No he did not mention bhaga > > chambaga. > > > It was Dr B.V.Raman who described bhag chumban yoga in > > his three > > hundred important yoga. > > > There are many yoga for sexual perversion in vedic > > text.Here list is > > about KP Rules. > > > > > > with best wishes. > > > > > > OM TATSAT > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer > > > Teaching & Consultations > > > http:\\www.kaalvastu.com > > > > > ----------------------- > > > " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of > > that Divine Being > > who has > > > created the three worlds.May He Direct our > > understanding. " > > > > > -- > > > > > > - > > > raam.kumar > > > > > > Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:01 PM > > > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > > > > > > > > Sorry for posting again, dont know whether my birth > > details got > > > posted... > > > > > > 24-08-1982 > > > time: 18:13 (6:13 pm) > > > place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) > > > > > > One of the astrologer told me, before i disclose > > them am gay, by > > > looking at venus in 10th from moon, which leads to > > > " different/debilating sex drive " . Such > > jathaka is called " bhaga > > > chambaga " as per some Gujarati author Yasoda > > Mehta. > > > > > > Also he said very true about me, about the role n my > > gay sex, by > > using > > > Rahu centric theory. > > > > > > Please analyse and help me, as i am confused with my > > sexuality and > > no > > > idea about my future life. > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > , > > " hattangadi_suresh " > > > <hattangadi_suresh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who > > have declared > > themselves > > > > gay/lesbians?Any study carried out to find > > astrological(KP) > > reasons > > > > for their sexual aberration? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 dear Mr.raamkumar, U can also take a medical opinion from an endocrinologist. U can do an estimation of Hormone Testosterone levels in ur blood. If this is low as per the doctor's advice u can take a course of Testosterone supplementation, though the problem is basically due to either XXY orXYY genes forming at the time of conception by ur mother. There will be some medical solution which can be tried along with meditation and focussing ur thoughts to the Almighty. good luck, k.gopu--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparanthaRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Date: Monday, November 24, 2008, 2:04 PM Dear Raam KumarWe can understand Yr problem.But... Sorry to say that there is no any remedy to mentioned.Here the patient is UAs well Physician is also UU must be able to over come the situation U have faced, as U are the only being who know the truth and Yr Subconscious mind.First of all stat meditating today itself and beg for Yr recovery from the God, who is in Yr inner. Try to awake the Inner mind and concentrate.But in this practice U must be in neediness of refraining from the habit, indeed. If U are in good physiological situation of mind, then consult a Psychiatrist first and then a Physician who will be able to help U.May U attain to Happy Lifesunaparantha raam.kumar <rush2ram2 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSunday, November 23, 2008 11:05:48 PM Re: Gays/Lesbians Sorry, I dnt hav knowledge in astrology, i was wondered by this science. Thts it.But the other astrologer didnt said am gay bcoz of venus 10 from moon, he said hyper/debilated sex drive... and added he seen my chart using rahu centric theory and he said two three points which me and god knows.. frm my perefernce n gay sex... and my worry is abt my size of the sexual organ... but i like to know abt my life, hav no one to clarify and get help, puzzled by my life.. leading a hidden life... living with such pain, can u help me atleast please? Any possibility of getting married? its not that easy to live with a guy... plz tell me. My data is in below history, if you have time, plz help me@gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> No dear Ram,> Yashoda Mehta said ,one will have striking sex desire.> He will be passionate and interested in sex.> This is rough translation as i remember.I have all the three books in Gujrati written by him.No he did not mention bhaga chambaga.> It was Dr B.V.Raman who described bhag chumban yoga in his three hundred important yoga.> There are many yoga for sexual perversion in vedic text.Here list is about KP Rules.> > with best wishes.> > OM TATSAT> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer> Teaching & Consultations> http:\\www.kaalvast u.com > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > - > raam.kumar > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:01 PM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Sorry for posting again, dont know whether my birth details got > posted... > > 24-08-1982> time: 18:13 (6:13 pm)> place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam)> > One of the astrologer told me, before i disclose them am gay, by > looking at venus in 10th from moon, which leads to > "different/debilati ng sex drive". Such jathaka is called "bhaga > chambaga" as per some Gujarati author Yasoda Mehta. > > Also he said very true about me, about the role n my gay sex, by using > Rahu centric theory. > > Please analyse and help me, as i am confused with my sexuality and no > idea about my future life.> > Ram> > @gro ups.com, "hattangadi_ suresh" > <hattangadi_ suresh@> wrote:> >> > Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselves> > gay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( KP) reasons> > for their sexual aberration?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay? Suprakash On Behalf Of Punit Pandey Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM Re: Gays/Lesbians Dear Friends, Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. Let us focus on astrology. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. .. As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga " and " Subhaga Yoga " If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam) When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets.. Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up. Analyzing Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02 " (NKPA 22:43:56) Name : Rock Hudson Place : Winnetka, USA Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday Time : 2-15-0 Asc. Vir 08.45.38 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Ve St.L Ve Ju Sb.L Ra Me Ss.L Ju Ra Sat's 3rd aspect to Ven. Sat. is in the House of Ven. Libra. Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. ----------- Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10 " (NKPA 23:22:32) Name : Ricky Martin Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico Date : 24-12-1971 Friday Time : 17-0-0 Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 Ven Sat Sg.L Sat Ve St.L Su Su Sb.L Ve Ke Ss.L Ra Ju Ven is in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. Sat's 10th aspect to Ven. Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star. SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat --- Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18 " (NKPA 22:52:38) Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme.fr/en) Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday Time : 5-37-0 Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Sat St.L Sat Ju Sb.L Sat Me Ss.L Ju Ve Ven and Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close. Sat's SSL is Ven Both St.L and Sub L of Ven, is Sat --- Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr. Raam Kumar 24-08-1982 Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM) Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 Ven Sat Sg.L Mo Me St.L Me Ma Sb.L Ke Ra Ss.L Mo Ve Sat is in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. Ve is the SSL of Sat. St.L of Ve is Me, who is in the SS of Sat. Chart # 05 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji ((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr.xx 17.06.1980 Time: 9.45 pm Place : Delhi Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 Ven Sat Sg.L Ve Su St.L Ma Su Sb.L Sat Su Ss.L Ma Ve Ven's Sub is Sat. Sat's SSL is Ve. Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. Conclusion Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian. Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic. And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration. And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors. Good Luck Sunaparantha hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:47:50 PM Gays/Lesbians Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselves gay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( KP) reasons for their sexual aberration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words". Regards S.Gopalakrishnan--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghoshRE: Gays/Lesbians Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay? Suprakash @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit PandeySaturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM@gro ups.comRe: Gays/Lesbians Dear Friends, Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. Let us focus on astrology. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. .. As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga" If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam) When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets.. Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up. Analyzing Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)Name : Rock HudsonPlace : Winnetka, USADate : 17-11-1925 TuesdayTime : 2-15-0 Asc. Vir 08.45.38 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Ve St.L Ve Ju Sb.L Ra Me Ss.L Ju Ra Sat's 3rd aspect to Ven. Sat. is in the House of Ven. Libra. Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)Name : Ricky MartinPlace : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico Date : 24-12-1971 FridayTime : 17-0-0 Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 Ven Sat Sg.L Sat Ve St.L Su Su Sb.L Ve Ke Ss.L Ra Ju Ven is in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. Sat's 10th aspect to Ven. Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star. SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme.fr/en)Place : Ventnor, NJ, USADate : 9-4-1936 ThursdayTime : 5-37-0 Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Sat St.L Sat Ju Sb.L Sat Me Ss.L Ju Ve Ven and Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close. Sat's SSL is Ven Both St.L and Sub L of Ven, is Sat ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr. Raam Kumar 24-08-1982Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 Ven Sat Sg.L Mo Me St.L Me Ma Sb.L Ke Ra Ss.L Mo Ve Sat is in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. Ve is the SSL of Sat. St.L of Ve is Me, who is in the SS of Sat. Chart # 05 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji ((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr.xx 17.06.1980 Time: 9.45 pm Place : Delhi Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 Ven Sat Sg.L Ve Su St.L Ma Su Sb.L Sat Su Ss.L Ma Ve Ven's Sub is Sat. Sat's SSL is Ve. Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. Conclusion Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian. Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic. And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration. And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Sir It was discussed in some forums earlier too that when Saturn & Venus connected to 7th house, especially Saturn is aspecting Venus or Venus in star of Status tends to unnatural sexual tendency. In the Chart of President Clinton Saturn aspects Venus. Media reports say that President engaged in inappropriate sexual contact with White House Intern Ms Monica Lewinsky. The sexual contact was oral sex and not vaginal sex. This could be taken as a clue to the subject? Rgds MK Viswanath --- On Tue, 25/11/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh > RE: Gays/Lesbians > > Tuesday, 25 November, 2008, 10:20 AM > Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination > :Ven & Sat in > same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body > knows any > thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay? > > Suprakash > > > > On > Behalf Of Punit Pandey > Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM > > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > Dear Friends, > > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, > please > concentrate on the astrological discussion. As I mentioned > during our > share market discussion, any research can be used with good > or bad > intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the > research. I > agree that there are more important topics, but in the > forum we discuss > whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody > thinks that > there are more important topics, s/he should start > discussion on that by > making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, > instead of > talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on > astrology and > research. By analysing five charts and finding the common > elements, he > has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that > is the way we > can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody > to focus on > astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan > <sunaparantha wrote: > Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. > . > As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP > Paddhati for > this, we have to analyze several charts with known > evidences. But it is > too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary > contacts to > guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other > Author in > traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro > Literatures. > The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written > by Sri > Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa > In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga " > and " Subhaga Yoga " > > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or > vise-versa, then the > native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of > the unlimited > desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara > roopabhiranisam) > > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the > behavior of > these two planets.. > Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum > and see the > formula, which I am trying make up. > > Analyzing > > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02 " > (NKPA 22:43:56) > Name : Rock Hudson > Place : Winnetka, USA > Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday > Time : 2-15-0 > Asc. Vir 08.45.38 > > > Ven > Sat > > Sg.L > Ju > Ve > > St.L > Ve > Ju > > Sb.L > Ra > Me > > Ss.L > Ju > Ra > > Sat's 3rd aspect to Ven. > Sat. is in the House of Ven. Libra. > Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. > ------ > ----- > > Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) > > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10 " > (NKPA 23:22:32) > Name : Ricky Martin > Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday > Time : 17-0-0 > Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 > > > Ven > Sat > > Sg.L > Sat > Ve > > St.L > Su > Su > > Sb.L > Ve > Ke > > Ss.L > Ra > Ju > > Ven is in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. > Sat's 10th aspect to Ven. > Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own > star. > SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat > ------ > --------- > > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18 " > (NKPA 22:52:38) > Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www. > <http://www.astrotheme.fr/en> astrotheme.fr/en) > Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA > Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday > Time : 5-37-0 > Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 > > > Ven > Sat > > Sg.L > Ju > Sat > > St.L > Sat > Ju > > Sb.L > Sat > Me > > Ss.L > Ju > Ve > > Ven and Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but > very close. > Sat's SSL is Ven > Both St.L and Sub L of Ven, is Sat > --- > > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) > > Mr. Raam Kumar > 24-08-1982 > Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM) > Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu > > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 > > > Ven > Sat > > Sg.L > Mo > Me > > St.L > Me > Ma > > Sb.L > Ke > Ra > > Ss.L > Mo > Ve > > Sat is in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the > sub of Ve. > Ve is the SSL of Sat. > St.L of Ve is Me, who is in the SS of Sat. > > Chart # 05 > > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji ((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) > Mr.xx > 17.06.1980 > Time: 9.45 pm > Place : Delhi > > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 > > > > Ven > Sat > > Sg.L > Ve > Su > > St.L > Ma > Su > > Sb.L > Sat > Su > > Ss.L > Ma > Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat. > Sat's SSL is Ve. > Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. > Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. > > > Conclusion > Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and > SA for > Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts > under > consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA > each other in > a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a > Gay/Lesbian. > > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this > rule as New KP > Formula for said topic. > And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of > the KP Forum, > for their kind and deep consideration. > And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me > while > analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me > correct if > any, by the Seniors. > > Good Luck > > Sunaparantha > > _____ > > hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh > > > > Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:47:50 PM > > Gays/Lesbians > > Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared > themselves > gay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( > KP) reasons > for their sexual aberration? Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.webmessenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5:00AM,Mangalore. Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat. Suprakash On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM RE: Gays/Lesbians Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in " Einstein in his own words " . Regards S.Gopalakrishnan --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote: Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh RE: Gays/Lesbians Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay? Suprakash -----Original Message----- @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM @gro ups.com Re: Gays/Lesbians Dear Friends, Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. Let us focus on astrology. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. .. As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga " and " Subhaga Yoga " If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam) When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets.. Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up. Analyzing Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02 " (NKPA 22:43:56) Name : Rock Hudson Place : Winnetka, USA Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday Time : 2-15-0 Asc. Vir 08.45.38 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Ve St.L Ve Ju Sb.L Ra Me Ss.L Ju Ra Sat's 3rd aspect to Ven. Sat. is in the House of Ven. Libra. Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10 " (NKPA 23:22:32) Name : Ricky Martin Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico Date : 24-12-1971 Friday Time : 17-0-0 Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 Ven Sat Sg.L Sat Ve St.L Su Su Sb.L Ve Ke Ss.L Ra Ju Ven is in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. Sat's 10th aspect to Ven. Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star. SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18 " (NKPA 22:52:38) Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme.fr/en) Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday Time : 5-37-0 Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Sat St.L Sat Ju Sb.L Sat Me Ss.L Ju Ve Ven and Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close. Sat's SSL is Ven Both St.L and Sub L of Ven, is Sat ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr. Raam Kumar 24-08-1982 Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM) Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 Ven Sat Sg.L Mo Me St.L Me Ma Sb.L Ke Ra Ss.L Mo Ve Sat is in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. Ve is the SSL of Sat. St.L of Ve is Me, who is in the SS of Sat. Chart # 05 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji ((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr.xx 17.06.1980 Time: 9.45 pm Place : Delhi Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 Ven Sat Sg.L Ve Su St.L Ma Su Sb.L Sat Su Ss.L Ma Ve Ven's Sub is Sat. Sat's SSL is Ve. Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. Conclusion Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian. Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic. And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration. And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Good point of view.The conception of a person in a mother's womb is directly under the sway of previous Karma.Most of Karma diseases cannot be healed, not only in this life but in next life too.The religious advise for this is only to do merits and be a self physician.But I do'nt make any disagreement of the consultation of a doctor .Sunaparantha K Gopu <kgopu_24 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:43:33 AMRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians dear Mr.raamkumar, U can also take a medical opinion from an endocrinologist. U can do an estimation of Hormone Testosterone levels in ur blood. If this is low as per the doctor's advice u can take a course of Testosterone supplementation, though the problem is basically due to either XXY orXYY genes forming at the time of conception by ur mother. There will be some medical solution which can be tried along with meditation and focussing ur thoughts to the Almighty. good luck, k.gopu--- On Mon, 11/24/08, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >Re: Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comMonday, November 24, 2008, 2:04 PM Dear Raam KumarWe can understand Yr problem.But... Sorry to say that there is no any remedy to mentioned.Here the patient is UAs well Physician is also UU must be able to over come the situation U have faced, as U are the only being who know the truth and Yr Subconscious mind.First of all stat meditating today itself and beg for Yr recovery from the God, who is in Yr inner. Try to awake the Inner mind and concentrate.But in this practice U must be in neediness of refraining from the habit, indeed. If U are in good physiological situation of mind, then consult a Psychiatrist first and then a Physician who will be able to help U.May U attain to Happy Lifesunaparantha raam.kumar <rush2ram2 (AT) (DOT) co.in>@gro ups.comSunday, November 23, 2008 11:05:48 PM Re: Gays/Lesbians Sorry, I dnt hav knowledge in astrology, i was wondered by this science. Thts it.But the other astrologer didnt said am gay bcoz of venus 10 from moon, he said hyper/debilated sex drive... and added he seen my chart using rahu centric theory and he said two three points which me and god knows.. frm my perefernce n gay sex... and my worry is abt my size of the sexual organ... but i like to know abt my life, hav no one to clarify and get help, puzzled by my life.. leading a hidden life... living with such pain, can u help me atleast please? Any possibility of getting married? its not that easy to live with a guy... plz tell me. My data is in below history, if you have time, plz help me@gro ups.com, "swami" <swami wrote:>> > || Om Gurave Namah ||> Hare Ram Krishna> No dear Ram,> Yashoda Mehta said ,one will have striking sex desire.> He will be passionate and interested in sex.> This is rough translation as i remember.I have all the three books in Gujrati written by him.No he did not mention bhaga chambaga.> It was Dr B.V.Raman who described bhag chumban yoga in his three hundred important yoga.> There are many yoga for sexual perversion in vedic text.Here list is about KP Rules.> > with best wishes.> > OM TATSAT> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Swami_RCSrivastava Astrologer> Teaching & Consultations> http:\\www.kaalvast u.com > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------> " Let us meditate on the glorious effulgence of that Divine Being who has> created the three worlds.May He Direct our understanding. "> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > - > raam.kumar > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:01 PM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Sorry for posting again, dont know whether my birth details got > posted... > > 24-08-1982> time: 18:13 (6:13 pm)> place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam)> > One of the astrologer told me, before i disclose them am gay, by > looking at venus in 10th from moon, which leads to > "different/debilati ng sex drive". Such jathaka is called "bhaga > chambaga" as per some Gujarati author Yasoda Mehta. > > Also he said very true about me, about the role n my gay sex, by using > Rahu centric theory. > > Please analyse and help me, as i am confused with my sexuality and no > idea about my future life.> > Ram> > @gro ups.com, "hattangadi_ suresh" > <hattangadi_ suresh@> wrote:> >> > Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselves> > gay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( KP) reasons> > for their sexual aberration?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos, First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation, just because look in this kundali details are as follow may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury,ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter.libra=moon,rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons, very religious had built a ganesh temple, earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking,liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok thanks patel Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AMRE: Gays/Lesbians Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5:00AM,Mangalore. Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat. Suprakash @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra IyerTuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM@gro ups.comRE: Gays/Lesbians Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words". Regards S.Gopalakrishnan--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote: Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>RE: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comTuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay? Suprakash @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit PandeySaturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM@gro ups.comRe: Gays/Lesbians Dear Friends, Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. Let us focus on astrology. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. .. As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga" If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam) When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets.. Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up. Analyzing Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)Name : Rock HudsonPlace : Winnetka, USADate : 17-11-1925 TuesdayTime : 2-15-0 Asc. Vir 08.45.38 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Ve St.L Ve Ju Sb.L Ra Me Ss.L Ju Ra Sat's 3rd aspect to Ven. Sat. is in the House of Ven. Libra. Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)Name : Ricky MartinPlace : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico Date : 24-12-1971 FridayTime : 17-0-0 Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 Ven Sat Sg.L Sat Ve St.L Su Su Sb.L Ve Ke Ss.L Ra Ju Ven is in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. Sat's 10th aspect to Ven. Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star. SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme.fr/en)Place : Ventnor, NJ, USADate : 9-4-1936 ThursdayTime : 5-37-0 Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Sat St.L Sat Ju Sb.L Sat Me Ss.L Ju Ve Ven and Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close. Sat's SSL is Ven Both St.L and Sub L of Ven, is Sat ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr. Raam Kumar 24-08-1982Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 Ven Sat Sg.L Mo Me St.L Me Ma Sb.L Ke Ra Ss.L Mo Ve Sat is in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. Ve is the SSL of Sat. St.L of Ve is Me, who is in the SS of Sat. Chart # 05 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji ((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr.xx 17.06.1980 Time: 9.45 pm Place : Delhi Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 Ven Sat Sg.L Ve Su St.L Ma Su Sb.L Sat Su Ss.L Ma Ve Ven's Sub is Sat. Sat's SSL is Ve. Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. Conclusion Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian. Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic. And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration. And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Dear Rasmi,Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth PlaceSunaparanthrashmi patel <rashmihpatel Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AMRe: Gays/Lesbians Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos, First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation, just because look in this kundali details are as follow may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons, very religious had built a ganesh temple, earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok thanks patel Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>@gro ups.comTuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AMRE: Gays/Lesbians Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5:00AM,Mangalore. Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat. Suprakash @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra IyerTuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM@gro ups.comRE: Gays/Lesbians Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words". Regards S.Gopalakrishnan--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote: Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>RE: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comTuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay? Suprakash @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit PandeySaturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM@gro ups.comRe: Gays/Lesbians Dear Friends, Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. Let us focus on astrology. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. .. As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga" If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam) When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets.. Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up. Analyzing Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)Name : Rock HudsonPlace : Winnetka, USADate : 17-11-1925 TuesdayTime : 2-15-0 Asc. Vir 08.45.38 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Ve St.L Ve Ju Sb.L Ra Me Ss.L Ju Ra Sat's 3rd aspect to Ven. Sat. is in the House of Ven. Libra. Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)Name : Ricky MartinPlace : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico Date : 24-12-1971 FridayTime : 17-0-0 Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 Ven Sat Sg.L Sat Ve St.L Su Su Sb.L Ve Ke Ss.L Ra Ju Ven is in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. Sat's 10th aspect to Ven. Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star. SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme.fr/en)Place : Ventnor, NJ, USADate : 9-4-1936 ThursdayTime : 5-37-0 Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Sat St.L Sat Ju Sb.L Sat Me Ss.L Ju Ve Ven and Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close. Sat's SSL is Ven Both St.L and Sub L of Ven, is Sat ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr. Raam Kumar 24-08-1982Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 Ven Sat Sg.L Mo Me St.L Me Ma Sb.L Ke Ra Ss.L Mo Ve Sat is in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. Ve is the SSL of Sat. St.L of Ve is Me, who is in the SS of Sat. Chart # 05 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji ((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr.xx 17..06.1980 Time: 9.45 pm Place : Delhi Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 Ven Sat Sg.L Ve Su St.L Ma Su Sb.L Sat Su Ss.L Ma Ve Ven's Sub is Sat. Sat's SSL is Ve. Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. Conclusion Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian. Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic. And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration. And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 respected gurujano, Here is detail as follow dob=may 12, 1957 tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thanks patel , Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote: > > Dear Rasmi, > Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place > Sunaparanth > > > > > ________________________________ > rashmi patel <rashmihpatel > > Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos, > First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok > I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation, > just because look in this kundali details are as follow > may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east > had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons, > very religious had built a ganesh temple, > earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali > so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects > so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok > thanks > patel > > > > > > ________________________________ > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM > RE: Gays/Lesbians > > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also. (Nov1,1973,5:00AM,Mangalore. > > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat. > > > Suprakash > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer > Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM > @gro ups.com > RE: Gays/Lesbians > > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in " Einstein in his own words " . > > Regards > S..Gopalakrishnan > > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote: > Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> > RE: Gays/Lesbians > @gro ups.com > Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM > Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay? > > Suprakash > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey > Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM > @gro ups.com > Re: Gays/Lesbians > > Dear Friends, > > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology. > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: > Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. > . > As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. > The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa > In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga " and " Subhaga Yoga " > > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam) > > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets.. > Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up. > > Analyzing > > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02 " (NKPA 22:43:56) > Name : Rock Hudson > Place : Winnetka, USA > Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday > Time : 2-15-0 > Asc. Vir 08.45.38 > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven. > Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra. > Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- ---- --------- -- > Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10 " (NKPA 23:22:32) > Name : Ricky Martin > Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday > Time : 17-0-0 > Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 > Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. > Sat's10th aspect to Ven. > Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star. > SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- ---- --------- ------ > > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18 " (NKPA 22:52:38) > Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme.fr/en) > Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA > Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday > Time : 5-37-0 > Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close. > Sat's SSL is Ven > Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- ---- --- > > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) > > Mr. Raam Kumar > 24-08-1982 > Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM) > Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu > > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 > Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. > Ve is the SSL ofSat. > St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat. > > Chart # 05 > > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) > Mr.xx > 17.06.1980 > Time: 9.45 pm > Place : Delhi > > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 > > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat. > Sat'sSSL is Ve. > Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. > Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. > > > Conclusion > Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian. > > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic. > And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration. > And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Dear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner.Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel Re: Gays/Lesbians Date: Thursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PM respected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok> I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation,> just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words".> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> RE: Gays/Lesbians> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures..> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga"> > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat.> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)> Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)> Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu> > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve.> Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm> Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve.> Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Sir For any sexual act 7th house need to be connected. MK Viswanath--- On Fri, 28/11/08, ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless wrote: ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchlessRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Date: Friday, 28 November, 2008, 9:20 PM Dear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner.Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comThursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PM respected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok> I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation,> just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words".> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> RE: Gays/Lesbians> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. .> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga"> > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat.> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)> Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)> Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu> > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve.> Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm> Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve.> Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Dear MK, Allow me to add that as per K.P.,the VIIIth house/cusp determines the sexual act,potency to perform etc.... With kind regards, L.Y.Rao. MK Viswanath <astrologervishy_nair Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2008 10:06:06 AMRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Sir For any sexual act 7th house need to be connected. MK Viswanath--- On Fri, 28/11/08, ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless@ .co. in> wrote: ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless@ .co. in>Re: Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comFriday, 28 November, 2008, 9:20 PM Dear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner.Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comThursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PM respected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok> I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation,> just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words".> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> RE: Gays/Lesbians> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. .> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga"> > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat.> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)> Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)> Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu> > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve.> Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm> Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve.> Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 dear shri yogesh rao thats why i add this house for marriage as a supporting house thanks -sunil gondhalekar On 11/29/08, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear MK, Allow me to add that as per K.P.,the VIIIth house/cusp determines the sexual act,potency to perform etc.... With kind regards, L.Y.Rao. MK Viswanath <astrologervishy_nair Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2008 10:06:06 AM Re: Re: Gays/Lesbians Sir For any sexual act 7th house need to be connected. MK Viswanath--- On Fri, 28/11/08, ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless@ .co. in> wrote: ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless@ .co. in> Re: Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.com Friday, 28 November, 2008, 9:20 PM Dear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner. Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Re: Gays/Lesbians @gro ups.comThursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PM respected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...> > @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM > Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok > I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation, > just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> > @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians > > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com > RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in " Einstein in his own words " .> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> RE: Gays/Lesbians > @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com > Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote: > Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. .> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga " and " Subhaga Yoga " > > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) > System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02 " (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10 " (NKPA 23:22:32) > Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18 " (NKPA 22:52:38) > Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- ---- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu > > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. > Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm > Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve. > Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Dear Mr. Ajoy s. chomaal,Thank U for yr participation with subject.It seems to be that U are having a vast knowledge of KP. Therefore I wish to suggest U to check all the charts,I have exercised with your findings and try to enforce them and share with the forum for the supervision of the seniors.Thank USunaparantha ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:20:28 PMRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Dear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner.Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comThursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PM respected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok> I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation,> just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words".> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc..co.in>> RE: Gays/Lesbians> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. .> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga"> > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat.> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)> Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)> Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu> > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve.> Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5.. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm> Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve.> Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Dear Sir,Can u share the exercise done using my findings. I would be eager to know and learn from the analysis.Regards,AjoySent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone EssarSunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparanthaSat, 29 Nov 2008 05:49:14 -0800 (PST)Re: Re: Gays/Lesbians Dear Mr. Ajoy s. chomaal,Thank U for yr participation with subject.It seems to be that U are having a vast knowledge of KP. Therefore I wish to suggest U to check all the charts,I have exercised with your findings and try to enforce them and share with the forum for the supervision of the seniors.Thank USunaparantha ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:20:28 PMRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Dear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner.Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > wrote:rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comThursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PMrespected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > >________________________________> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok> I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation,> just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > >________________________________> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words".> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc..co.in>> RE: Gays/Lesbians> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. .> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga"> > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat.> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)> Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)> Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu> > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve.> Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5.. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm> Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve.> Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Respected Ajoy-ji, Well as per in this kundali you said if mercury is spoilt by ketu, mars,saturn but do you consider its a parivartan you between 1st house mars & 3rd house mercury & is in this case do mercury gets stronger or mars to give positive results, as also you read from Sunaparanthas reply talking degree wise so different & he said thats the reason that act is not in this, So now please tell me if this person could be very religiuos, very strick vegetrenion no meat, plus person is now 50 & ups years, married since 22 yrs, had 2 sons, made so much donations,in community v respected person. So is this matches according to the kundalis grahos or you see any thing different in that all too.Do you see any positive in kundali like position of SUN, JUPITER or any other, All my issue is that,there had to be some other that is over ruling negatives in this kundali & thats what I want to research from all gurujanos. So please let me know more on this ok Thanks patel ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:50:28 AMRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Dear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner.Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comThursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PM respected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok> I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation,> just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words".> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> RE: Gays/Lesbians> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. .> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga"> > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat.> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)> Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)> Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu> > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve.> Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm> Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve.> Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. 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Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Ms Patel, u r missing the point. U wanted to know if sat/ven are in opp then as per sunaparanthas research why this case is not gay. Since in this case ven is not connected with mars or rahu the chances of this man being gay are ruled out. ( But, moon shadowed by rahu in 7th in venus sign and venus in 12th to mars - can we rule out illicit liaisons ???) Ms. Patel, you seem to be considering only yogas and not applying KP rules to check the qualities of this man and would like to know if the results are due to the particular placing of the planets. Well in that case pls find the explanation below.Born on Full moon day withSun in aries - exaltedVen in own signJupiter in sign of exalted Sun.The sun and jupiter trine aspect is a major benefic yoga specially so with one in kendra and the other in trine house. Add to this, jup is very favourable if it is in 2, 5,4 or 11 house strictly in that order. Jupiter aspecting 9th house has made him religious. Its aspect with ketu has made him a generous person hence huge donations(expense,being lord of 12th). Jupiters 7th aspect has given him the respect and fame in society. Now there can never be only good. So let's see what's bad. Mars will not do any bad because aspects only houses no planets. Sat aspects ven and jup. Will not give malefic results with venus, venus being natural friend. So that leaves us with jup in 5th. Please note all planets in the first half of the horoscope with only sat in the latter in 8th. So all major events/ adventures due to his own involvement are over. Now the events of the people around him will come in the forefront.As said earlier, sat's aspect on jup not good. Moreover jup is known to be STHAN NASHAK. So will give anxious results related to 5th house.Watch the activities of the children now and in future.Ms. Patel I would like to repeat again that this explanation though logical is not KP and is put on your behest to interpret the different placements of the planets.Regards,AjoySent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essarrashmi patel Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:29:55 -0800 (PST)Re: Re: Gays/Lesbians Respected Ajoy-ji,Well as per in this kundali you said if mercury is spoilt by ketu, mars,saturn but do you consider its a parivartan you between 1st house mars & 3rd house mercury & is in this case do mercury gets stronger or mars to give positive results, as also you read from Sunaparanthas reply talking degree wise so different & he said thats the reason that act is not in this,So now please tell me if this person could be very religiuos, very strick vegetrenion no meat, plus person is now 50 & ups years, married since 22 yrs, had 2 sons, made so much donations,in community v respected person.So is this matches according to the kundalis grahos or you see any thing different in that all too.Do you see any positive in kundali like position of SUN, JUPITER or any other,All my issue is that,there had to be some other that is over ruling negatives in this kundali & thats what I want to research from all gurujanos.So please let me know more on this okThankspatelajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless (AT) (DOT) co.in> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:50:28 AMRe: Re: Gays/LesbiansDear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner.Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > wrote:rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comThursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PMrespected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > >________________________________> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok> I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation,> just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > >________________________________> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words".> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> RE: Gays/Lesbians> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. .> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga"> > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat.> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)> Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)> Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu> > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve.> Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm> Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve.> Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. 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Guest guest Posted November 30, 2008 Report Share Posted November 30, 2008 Ajoyji, Thank you so much explaining in detail, I was kind of confused but you made me clear & educated me Thanks Patel "ajoy_matchless" <ajoy_matchless Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:34:13 PMRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Ms Patel, u r missing the point. U wanted to know if sat/ven are in opp then as per sunaparanthas research why this case is not gay. Since in this case ven is not connected with mars or rahu the chances of this man being gay are ruled out. ( But, moon shadowed by rahu in 7th in venus sign and venus in 12th to mars - can we rule out illicit liaisons ???) Ms. Patel, you seem to be considering only yogas and not applying KP rules to check the qualities of this man and would like to know if the results are due to the particular placing of the planets. Well in that case pls find the explanation below.Born on Full moon day withSun in aries - exaltedVen in own signJupiter in sign of exalted Sun.The sun and jupiter trine aspect is a major benefic yoga specially so with one in kendra and the other in trine house. Add to this, jup is very favourable if it is in 2, 5,4 or 11 house strictly in that order. Jupiter aspecting 9th house has made him religious. Its aspect with ketu has made him a generous person hence huge donations(expense, being lord of 12th). Jupiters 7th aspect has given him the respect and fame in society. Now there can never be only good. So let's see what's bad. Mars will not do any bad because aspects only houses no planets. Sat aspects ven and jup. Will not give malefic results with venus, venus being natural friend. So that leaves us with jup in 5th. Please note all planets in the first half of the horoscope with only sat in the latter in 8th. So all major events/ adventures due to his own involvement are over. Now the events of the people around him will come in the forefront.As said earlier, sat's aspect on jup not good. Moreover jup is known to be STHAN NASHAK. So will give anxious results related to 5th house.Watch the activities of the children now and in future.Ms. Patel I would like to repeat again that this explanation though logical is not KP and is put on your behest to interpret the different placements of the planets.Regards,Ajoy Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone Essar rashmi patel Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:29:55 -0800 (PST)<@gro ups.com>Re: Re: Gays/Lesbians Respected Ajoy-ji, Well as per in this kundali you said if mercury is spoilt by ketu, mars,saturn but do you consider its a parivartan you between 1st house mars & 3rd house mercury & is in this case do mercury gets stronger or mars to give positive results, as also you read from Sunaparanthas reply talking degree wise so different & he said thats the reason that act is not in this, So now please tell me if this person could be very religiuos, very strick vegetrenion no meat, plus person is now 50 & ups years, married since 22 yrs, had 2 sons, made so much donations,in community v respected person. So is this matches according to the kundalis grahos or you see any thing different in that all too.Do you see any positive in kundali like position of SUN, JUPITER or any other, All my issue is that,there had to be some other that is over ruling negatives in this kundali & thats what I want to research from all gurujanos. So please let me know more on this ok Thanks patel ajoy s. chomaal <ajoy_matchless@ .co. in>@gro ups.comFriday, November 28, 2008 10:50:28 AMRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Dear Rashmi patel & Sunaparantha My experience says that these uncommon features in an individual will definately be seen when VENUS is connected with RAHU and MARS both. Mars, the HOT & Rahu the HEADLESS. With such combination the individual will surely have a mind for these acts. And over and above this if Mercury is spoilt by KETU, MARS or SAT and is connected with 6th/12th house he would go to the extend of physical act and/or marry the partner.Mr. Sunaparantha, in one of your earlier mails you have presented 5 examples. You may corelate my findings and check and please highlight if i need to re work. regards,AJOY--- On Thu, 27/11/08, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > wrote: rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ > Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comThursday, 27 November, 2008, 8:16 PM respected gurujano,Here is detail as followdob=may 12, 1957tob= 04;25 AM place = aden yemen which is 12N45 , 45E12 GMT= 3HRS EAST thankspatel@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rasmi,> Pl. give me the Name of Yr Birth Place> Sunaparanth> > > > >____________ _________ _________ __> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:22:29 AM> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > > Respected Ghosh-ji & other gurujanos,> First of all here I am not agreeing or disagreeing any gurujanos this is just more to study ok> I had been noticing this venus/sat conj would give that kind of relations topics but what I wanted to know is, is there any that might be good cultured grahos like jupiter or strong sun or any other that could over ruled that bad relation,> just because look in this kundali details are as follow> may 12 1957, 04;25 am 12n45, 45e12 gmt=3east> had aries lagna & had in aries=sun,mercury, ketu. tauras=venus. gemini=mars. leo=jupiter. libra=moon, rahu, scorpio=saturn so here venus/saturn cross eachother > but that relation is not there at all,infact person is happily married with 2 sons,> very religious had built a ganesh temple,> earlier there was topic discusing ketu/sun would give you bad habbit meaning eating tobacco,smoking, liquor,eating meat all this but this person is strickly vegitranian, & no other bed habbits at all so even that time i thought it over ruled that conj ketu/sun & again this venus/saturn conj does not match or fit in this kundali> so I think there are other graho they change some of this solid conj & give positive effects> so I think nothing is granted & solid,so please tell me what we can reserch on this ok> thanks> patel> > > > > >____________ _________ _________ __> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:19:35 AM> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > > Take the case of Ms Aiswarya Bacchan also.(Nov1,1973,5: 00AM,Mangalore.> > Her Ven is aspected by sat & conjoined with Rahu.Ven is in star of Ketu signifying Sat.> > > Suprakash> > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gopalakrishnan Subra Iyer> Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:44 AM> @gro ups.com> RE: Gays/Lesbians> > Albert Einstein was straight and not a gay. In fact, Einstein was a sexual maniac during his younger days. He even had multiple partners. He used to have affairs with the sister of his own wife. This I read in "Einstein in his own words".> > Regards> S..Gopalakrishnan> > --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in> wrote:> Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh@ cesc.co.in>> Subject: RE: Gays/Lesbians> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 11:50 AM> Surprisingly Albert Einstain had the similar combination :Ven & Sat in same house. Ven in sub of Rahu representing Sat. Any body knows any thing in this line about Einstain that he was a Gay?> > Suprakash> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey> Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:54 PM> @gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians> > Dear Friends,> > Instead of discussing philosophical aspects of this topic, please concentrate on the astrological discussion.. As I mentioned during our share market discussion, any research can be used with good or bad intention but that doesn't mean that we should stop the research. I agree that there are more important topics, but in the forum we discuss whatever topics raised by members as they come. If somebody thinks that there are more important topics, s/he should start discussion on that by making new posts on those topics. > > I appreciate the participation of Sunaparantha ji who, instead of talking about the philosophical aspects, focused on astrology and research. By analysing five charts and finding the common elements, he has taken us one step forward in this study. I think that is the way we can best utilize our energies and hence I request everybody to focus on astrology. > > Let us focus on astrology.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:38 PM, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ > wrote:> Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians.> .> As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. > Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. .> The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa> In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga"> > If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam)> > When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets..> Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up.> > Analyzing> > Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56)> Name : Rock Hudson> Place : Winnetka, USA> Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday> Time : 2-15-0> Asc. Vir 08.45.38> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Ve > St.L Ve Ju > Sb.L Ra Me > Ss.L Ju Ra > > Sat's3rd aspect to Ven.> Sat.is in the House of Ven. Libra.> Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat.> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --> Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32)> Name : Ricky Martin> Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico > Date : 24-12-1971 Friday> Time : 17-0-0> Asc. Taurus 27.18.25> Ven Sat > Sg.L Sat Ve > St.L Su Su > Sb.L Ve Ke > Ss.L Ra Ju > > Venis in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven.> Sat's10th aspect to Ven.> Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star.> SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------> > Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart)> System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38)> Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme. fr/en)> Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA> Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday> Time : 5-37-0> Asc: Pi: 27..34.32> Ven Sat > Sg.L Ju Sat > St.L Sat Ju > Sb.L Sat Me > Ss.L Ju Ve > > Venand Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close.> Sat's SSL is Ven> Both St.L and Sub L ofVen, is Sat> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> > Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> > Mr. Raam Kumar> 24-08-1982> Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM)> Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu> > Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29> Ven Sat > Sg.L Mo Me > St.L Me Ma > Sb.L Ke Ra > Ss.L Mo Ve > > Satis in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve.> Ve is the SSL ofSat.> St.L ofVe is Me, who is in the SS ofSat.> > Chart # 05> > 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji((as per FREEHOR of the Forum)> Mr.xx> 17.06.1980> Time: 9.45 pm> Place : Delhi> > Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37> > Ven Sat > Sg.L Ve Su > St.L Ma Su > Sb.L Sat Su > Ss.L Ma Ve > > Ven's Sub is Sat.> Sat'sSSL is Ve.> Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve.> Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat.> > > Conclusion> Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. > > Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian.> > Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic.> And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration.> And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors.> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. 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