Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 Dear friends,Isn't there any other worthwhile topic to spend our precious time for.MK.Tkp Ghopal <astrogopalji_tkp Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:53:40 AMRe: Gays/Lesbians Kinldy refer the attached chart ,details sent by Punitji. Also according to the formula given by him,1.moon is in square with neptune2.uranus not in conjunction3.sun conjunct venus within 4 deg,with different sign lord4.sun not trine with mars5.mars and sat.conjunct within 3 deg. again, -!st c/l moon is in ketu star-7th c/l ven in mars star.guja vath ketu.-both 1st and 7th are similar.-7th place of sex signifys 4,8,11 a critical combination.Hence the chart both on the line of Puneetji mentioned rule and our rule also match. Senoirs to thro light on the attached chart please. Thanks and Regards tkp --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Gays/Lesbians@gro ups.comWednesday, November 19, 2008, 5:56 AM This is the discussion in Jyotish group about homosexuality - an afflicted Moon as the key along with Moon conjunct Uranus and square Neptune, Sun conjunct Venus trine Mars sextile Neptune, and in general Mars Saturn and Neptune afflicting each other. Hope it helps. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Here is one chart of a gay person that I got from my Orkut Vedic Astrology forum - dob: 17/6/1980 tob: 9:45PM Place: delhi Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Suresh, I do not have horoscopes of gays/lesbians, but sexual aberrations could occur in persons whose sub-lord of the Ascendant signifies V & XI and is connected with Sat/Mars/Rahu. .. as per K.P. With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh@ > @gro ups.comTuesday, 18 November, 2008 7:47:50 PM Gays/Lesbians Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselvesgay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( KP) reasonsfor their sexual aberration? Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 For the members interested, Pl see The Astrology of Homophobia by Peter Clamphttp://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/PClampHomophobia.html2 charts by http://www.mykundali.com/ Martina Navratilova, born Thursday, October 18th, 1956 at 4:40 PM (1hr East of GMT) near 50° N 04' / 14° E 25 www.strangehouse.com/martinanavratilova KP Planets & Cusps Balance Of Dasha : MERCURY 13 Y 10 M 9 D Planets PLANET DEGREE RAS-NAK-SUB-SS Ret/Dir SUN 182-04-40 VEN-MAR-KET-SUN Direct MOON 349-07-48 JUP-MER-KET-SAT Direct MARS 320-25-32 SAT-JUP-JUP-SAT Direct MERCURY 166-05-12 MER-MON-SAT-MER Direct JUPITER 148-10-36 SUN-SUN-MON-KET Direct VENUS 141-16-11 SUN-VEN-JUP-VEN Direct SATURN 217-38-05 MAR-SAT-KET-MAR Direct RAHU 217-28-52 MAR-SAT-KET-VEN Retrograde KETU 037-28-52 VEN-SUN-KET-JUP Retrograde URANUS 103-29-01 MON-SAT-RAH-SAT Direct NEPTUNE 186-49-16 VEN-RAH-RAH-RAH Direct PLUTO 126-46-19 SUN-KET-RAH-KET Direct Bhav CUSP DEGREE RAS-NAK-SUB-SS 1 351-24-19 JUP-MER-VEN-MER 2 032-10-11 VEN-SUN-JUP-VEN 3 054-32-01 VEN-MAR-RAH-JUP 4 072-48-34 MER-RAH-MER-MER 5 092-08-34 MON-JUP-RAH-SAT 6 119-06-51 MON-MER-SAT-MON 7 171-24-19 MER-MON-VEN-RAH 8 212-10-11 MAR-JUP-RAH-SAT 9 234-32-01 MAR-MER-RAH-JUP 10 252-48-34 JUP-KET-MER-JUP 11 272-08-34 SAT-SUN-JUP-VEN 12 299-06-51 SAT-MAR-SAT-MON Cusp Chart Planet Signification Planets Houses SUN 7 8 9 12 MOON 4 5 6 7 12 MARS 1 6 8 9 10 12 MERCURY 4 5 6 7 12 JUPITER 1 6 7 10 VENUS 2 3 6 SATURN 8 11 12 RAHU 8 11 12 KETU 2 7 Significators of Houses Houses Planets I MARS JUPITER II VENUS KETU III VENUS IV MOON MERCURY V MOON MERCURY VI MOON MARS MERCURY JUPITER VENUS VII SUN MOON MERCURY JUPITER KETU VIII SUN MARS SATURN RAHU IX SUN MARS X MARS JUPITER XI SATURN RAHU XII SUN MOON MARS MERCURY SATURN RAHU Elton John, 25 March 1947, 16:00 (4 p.m.) GDT (DST), Pinner, England (51n36, 00w23). members.tripod.com/~Astroqueer/charts/eltonjohn.html KP Planets & Cusps Balance Of Dasha : VENUS 12 Y 8 M 3 D Planets PLANET DEGREE RAS-NAK-SUB-SS Ret/Dir SUN 341-06-14 JUP-SAT-MON-MAR Direct MOON 018-12-58 MAR-VEN-RAH-RAH Direct MARS 323-27-03 SAT-JUP-SAT-RAH Direct MERCURY 316-40-55 SAT-RAH-VEN-SAT Direct JUPITER 214-21-14 MAR-SAT-SAT-VEN Retrograde VENUS 300-43-49 SAT-MAR-MER-SUN Direct SATURN 098-58-00 MON-SAT-VEN-RAH Retrograde RAHU 042-41-23 VEN-MON-RAH-SAT Retrograde KETU 222-41-23 MAR-SAT-MAR-VEN Retrograde URANUS 055-05-56 VEN-MAR-RAH-MER Direct NEPTUNE 166-34-21 MER-MON-SAT-VEN Retrograde PLUTO 108-05-42 MON-MER-MER-JUP Retrograde Bhav CUSP DEGREE RAS-NAK-SUB-SS 1 127-13-09 SUN-KET-RAH-SUN 2 147-09-45 SUN-SUN-SUN-MER 3 173-02-07 MER-MON-SUN-SAT 4 207-01-25 VEN-JUP-VEN-SUN 5 245-44-35 JUP-KET-RAH-RAH 6 280-08-10 SAT-MON-MON-MAR 7 307-13-09 SAT-RAH-RAH-JUP 8 327-09-45 SAT-JUP-VEN-MON 9 353-02-07 JUP-MER-MON-KET 10 027-01-25 MAR-SUN-SUN-SAT 11 065-44-35 MER-MAR-MON-RAH 12 100-08-10 MON-SAT-VEN-MER Cusp Chart Significators & Ruling Planets Planet Signification Planets Houses SUN 1 2 6 7 8 11 MOON 4 6 9 12 MARS 4 5 7 9 10 MERCURY 3 7 10 11 JUPITER 4 5 6 7 8 9 11 VENUS 4 6 7 10 SATURN 6 7 8 11 RAHU 9 10 12 KETU 4 6 7 8 11 Significators of Houses Houses Planets I SUN II SUN III MERCURY IV MOON MARS JUPITER VENUS KETU V MARS JUPITER VI SUN MOON JUPITER VENUS SATURN KETU VII SUN MARS MERCURY JUPITER VENUS SATURN KETU VIII SUN JUPITER SATURN KETU IX MOON MARS JUPITER RAHU X MARS MERCURY VENUS RAHU XI SUN MERCURY JUPITER SATURN KETU XII MOON RAHU , kondapaneni suneel <ksuneel_dhamma wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Â > Why don't you do the research and publish your finding...> Â > Suniel> > --- On Tue, 18/11/08, hattangadi_suresh hattangadi_suresh wrote:> > hattangadi_suresh hattangadi_suresh Gays/Lesbians> > Tuesday, 18 November, 2008, 7:47 PM> > > > > > > Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselves> gay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( KP) reasons> for their sexual aberration? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Go to http://in.webmessenger./> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Dear Bhasker I am surprised to read your latest post.I seem to have touched a raw nerve.The reason for query was a reference of a horoscope of a boy who is suspected to have these tendencies and his one engagement as well as one marriage was broken.The girls did not talk about the problem.They simply left him.Since I did not know astrological reasons for this I made this query to members of the list.I am also not comfortable with birth time rectification or with four step theory but I don't want to close my mind and I am curious.Astrology is a lifetime study and we may still not be experts.At least I consider myself a novice in both traditional as well as KP.KP has given surprising results which have overwhelmed me but still many questions remain.In this respect I am always reminded of the story of elephant and six blind men. Mr L.Y.Rao has given clues and they do explain such behaviour.Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Hello,If it is so and so, why did U have a membership of this forum?Is it not for the up keeping of the Shastra? and gaining more knowledge from it?or Is it only for money making?If every one thinks as U in the forum as well as in the Astrological field, there wan;t be any escape from the dangers of the lives.Try to change the will of God and escape as possible through Astrology.sunaparantha"manjit_bawa" <manjit_bawa Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 9:38:59 PMRe: Re: Gays/Lesbians Can not agree more. This topic is not worth discussion in this Forum. We all know the intricacies of man-woman relationship, however, it does not need discussion. Similarly, People who have different inclinations have to accept the fact and there is no need to discuss in public. The need to know is that nobody is perfect in this world. Look around, everyone feels deficient in some way ie health, wealth, relationships etc. The only way is Acceptance of WILL OF GOD. May GOD bless all with peace. MSent from BlackBerry® on Airtel"Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:19:47 -0000<@gro ups.com> Re: Gays/Lesbians Research wise, the above topic may be okay for those interested. But applicationwise I do not find the utility for same. In legal cases, the declarataion of a astrologer is not going to matter or given weight to. And in normal Life, try telling some normal looking man after studying his chart that " You seem to be a gay or homo". Then see what happens. Try also telling this to a normal looking lady. This is like saying to a normal pregnant lady after watching her chart, that your child is going to be born with some congenial effects. Those who say this will have the doors closed over them and ..........We must stick to our roots and not give much credence to the villains of movies like character of Sharukh Khan in movie " Darr" etc. which is equivalent to such topics on astrological forums. But this is my personal view, and no one need comply to the same. Please ignore if the above is found nonsensical chatter.We must concentrate on qualifying ourselves technically to rectification of birth charts and timing events and making use of Transits in day to day Life.,for the common man.regards/Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Sexual aberration of gay/lesbians. .. As there is no any formula given by Shri KSK in his KP Paddhati for this, we have to analyze several charts with known evidences. But it is too, not an easy task as there may be several planetary contacts to guess. Hence I tried to find out any rule given by any other Author in traditional System, by going through many Vedic Astro Literatures. The only one rule, I found is from Bhawakuthuhala, written by Sri Jeewanatha from Bharatha, as per the sayings of Rshi Vyasa In that text, it is called " Dhoosha Karma Yoga" and "Subhaga Yoga" If Sat aspect or conjoined in any manner to Ven or vise-versa, then the native sees a women as a man and man as a women because of the unlimited desire of the sexuality. ( Anangairaa lolaakalinathara roopabhiranisam) When we turn this rule in to the KP system, we can see the behavior of these two planets.. Herewith I have analyzed five Charts appeared in the forum and see the formula, which I am trying make up. Analyzing Chart # 01 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 43' 02" (NKPA 22:43:56) Name : Rock Hudson Place : Winnetka, USA Date : 17-11-1925 Tuesday Time : 2-15-0 Asc. Vir 08.45.38 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Ve St.L Ve Ju Sb.L Ra Me Ss.L Ju Ra Sat's 3rd aspect to Ven. Sat. is in the House of Ven. Libra. Sub of Ven, is Ra, in the constellation of Sat. ----------- Chart # 02 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 23° 22' 10" (NKPA 23:22:32) Name : Ricky Martin Place : Hato Rey, Puerto Rico Date : 24-12-1971 Friday Time : 17-0-0 Asc. Taurus 27.18.25 Ven Sat Sg.L Sat Ve St.L Su Su Sb.L Ve Ke Ss.L Ra Ju Ven is in the House of Sat and Sat is in the house of Ven. Sat's 10th aspect to Ven. Sub Lord of the sign Lord of Sat is Ven, who is in her own star. SSL of Ven is Ra, who is in the Sign of Sat --- Chart # 03 - Msg. # 20946 of TW Ji (as per given Chart) System : Krishnamurthy Ayanamsa: 22° 52' 18" (NKPA 22:52:38) Name : Valerie Solanas (Courtesy of www.astrotheme.fr/en) Place : Ventnor, NJ, USA Date : 9-4-1936 Thursday Time : 5-37-0 Asc: Pi: 27.34.32 Ven Sat Sg.L Ju Sat St.L Sat Ju Sb.L Sat Me Ss.L Ju Ve Ven and Sat, both are in the 12th Cusp. Not conjoined but very close. Sat's SSL is Ven Both St.L and Sub L of Ven, is Sat --- Chart # 04 - Msg. # 20937 (as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr. Raam Kumar 24-08-1982 Time: 18:13 (6:13 PM) Place: Rajapalayam (Rajapalaiyam) , Tamil Nadu Asc.Aqu. 02.53.31 - KPNA 23-31-29 Ven Sat Sg.L Mo Me St.L Me Ma Sb.L Ke Ra Ss.L Mo Ve Sat is in the Sub of Ra, who is in his own star and in the sub of Ve. Ve is the SSL of Sat. St.L of Ve is Me, who is in the SS of Sat. Chart # 05 5. Msg. # 20933 of Punit Ji ((as per FREEHOR of the Forum) Mr.xx 17.06.1980 Time: 9.45 pm Place : Delhi Asc. Cap 10.15.51 - KPNA 23-29-37 Ven Sat Sg.L Ve Su St.L Ma Su Sb.L Sat Su Ss.L Ma Ve Ven's Sub is Sat. Sat's SSL is Ve. Sat is at the 4th aspect of Ve. Ve is at the 10th aspect of Sat. Conclusion Here it is very clearly indicating the behavior of VE and SA for Gay/Lesbian activities of the natives, in the above charts under consideration. Those brief analyzings shows the connection of VE and SA each other in a natal chart in any manner, results the native to be a Gay/Lesbian. Finally, I wish to take this opportunity to make up this rule as New KP Formula for said topic. And forward this humble effort to the learned Seniors of the KP Forum, for their kind and deep consideration. And at the same time I wish to see any mistake done by me while analyzing these charts and it is my sincere hope to make me correct if any, by the Seniors. Good Luck Sunaparantha hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:47:50 PM Gays/Lesbians Does anybody have horoscopes of persons who have declared themselves gay/lesbians? Any study carried out to find astrological( KP) reasons for their sexual aberration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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