rahu -ketu signifying planets-and/or

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conjunction and aspects you will not find in every chart - but star lord and sub lord can be seen in every chart - So when you get more than one significator - order of strength to be seen - "and" / "or" depends on the individual charts.

Rahu / Ketu can represent more than one planet.

rao chitturu--- On Wed, 15/10/08, sujatkaram <sujatkarrtsamr wrote:

sujatkaram <sujatkaram Re: rahu -ketu signifying planets Date: Wednesday, 15 October, 2008, 1:20 PM

 

 

Respected Mr. Rao,Sir,You are welcome to offer any educative comments. I am thankful to you.At present I am grappling with the clarification offered by Mr. Bhaskar. His comments are too intelligent to be interpreted lightly. Need reading between the lines.You have mentioned four points/alternatives . I would like to know whether those points are to be joined by the word "And" or " Or ",.regards,sujatkaram@gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@. ..> wrote:>> Sujatkaran,> If you permit - I clarify/simplify as below--> Rahu / ketu are shadow planets and gives the results of those planets as follows:> 1. Planets with which they are conjoined.> 2.Planets which are aspecting rahu / ketu> 3. Star lords of Rahu / ketu> 4. Sign lords of rahu /

ketu.> The order of strength is as above - 1st is stronger than 2nd and as on.> rao chitturu> > > --- On Tue, 14/10/08, sujatkaram <sujatkaram@ ...> wrote:> > sujatkaram <sujatkaram@ ...>> Re: Badhaka - What is the best position ?> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 10:51 PM> > > > > > > Respected Mr. Bhaskar,> Sir,> The signification properties of Rahu/Ketu are always intrigueing to > me me and I always get confused. From second para of your post I > gather that in your opinion Rahu/Ketu give results of all, i.e.of > their sign-lord,of planets which they are in conjunction with, of > planets by which they are aspected and finally of their

star-lords .I > may be wrong. Would you please clarify sir ?> regards,> sujatkaram. @gro ups.com, "Bhaskar" > <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sundarji,> > > > You are talking of the last antar of the Mars MD preceding the > start of> > the Rahu MD. All such areas of the Vim Dasha would more or les bring> > about changes in ones Professional Life, in 99% of the Horoscopes, > one> > may tend to study.> > > > This is because the Nodes will always activate a numnber of houses > in a> > persons Life, due to, Lordship of the sign owner, Conjunction, > Aspects> > and Star levels of the Nodes..> > > > In My case I have always worked independently in family business, or> > else my own professional

activities, and I am in a number of such> > activities, therefore I do not particularly remember anything > special,> > but yes The Mahadsha of Rahu brought in spectacular changes in My> > Professional Life ( Relatively from the Mars MD), for the better. > And> > also this does not happen in a day, so somewhere something may have > been> > making movement, I am sorry cannot remember anything unusual, but > can> > just say That whatever i was doing in Mars Mahadasha, I got a much> > better exposure in Rahu Mahadasha, status wise and financially. I > was> > never working in a job or in service since last 25 Years.> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Sundar Balakrishnan> >

<sundar190561@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar> > > Â> > > Where there any change in your job in Mars/Moon?> > >> > > Â> > > Thanks...... .....Sundar> > >> > > --- On Tue, 14/10/08, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@> > > Re: Badhaka - What is the best position ?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, 14 October, 2008, 11:44 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Â> > > Dear Shri Lutherji,> > > I hope that you have cleared yourself of any misunderstanding > about me> > and my intentions. This was a pure technical query aimed

at> > understanding the harmless position of badhaka Lords.> > > Â> > > I hope you are now convinced that I am not affiliated to any > seminar,> > conference, research, research papers, or at all connected to any> > attendee of any seminar, nor do I have any knowledge of any such > seminar> > being held anywhere in the world. I also do not have any time for > the> > next 5-7 years to enter such luxuries , as am busy earning my> > > monthly expenditures like any other  humble middle class> > > householder in Bombay.  I have never visited Hyderabd more than> > once in my Life, nor do I have time to leave Bombay , from my daily> > duties. Here the position is such that daily one has to lower the> > tumbler daily in the well, for his daily water, and one cannot > think

of> > any other activities as he will miss his daily lunch and dinner, if > he> > indulges in luxurious pastimes. Â> > > Â> > > Now coming to the particular query I put up. That was my own > chart.> > The birth details are as under -> > > Â> > > 28th June 1961 Time - 10.15am> > > Place Eluru ( Near Vijaywada ) 16.45 N, 81.09 E> > > Â> > > I have already passed my Mars Mahadasha, so it is obvious that I > am> > not looking for any predictions, but pure technical pointers.> > > Â> > > When I mentioned that Mars is in Leo, in the Natal Chart, I> > > meant that the sign placement of Mars was Leo. But> > > when we make the placidus ( KP ) Chart, in the house> > > divisions due to the 12th Cusp

beginning 16.29.34 Cancer> > > and extending uptil 16.06.22 Leo, naturally Mars will land> > > on this side of the Border, that is it would now move to the 12th> > cusp.instead of being in the 1st house, in the natal Chart, without> > House divisions.> > > Â> > > Now the above was KP.> > > Â> > > My query was - will this Mars be harmful, or harmless in the 12th> > Cusp, but sign remaining unchanged, which is Leo ?> > > Â> > > I also appreciate your way of presentation and the hard work gone> > behind it. I suppose you are a perfect candudate for seminars,> > conferences and doing research work. This is genuine praise for the > way> > you have presented your article.> > > Â> > > best wishes,> > > Bhaskar.>

> > Â> > > Â> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath rathluther@ ..> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > > I am extremely sorry if I have hurt you though unintentionally.> > Kindly excuse me for my mis interpretation. I am In the massage box > some> > where I read that an international conference is being held in > Hyderabad> > in November this year. And some papers are to be presented in that> > conference. Wrongly perhaps I understood that this study is also one> > that is intended to be presented. I beg excuse again for my mis> > understanding. How ever you need ot feel low about it. We should be> > happy if we can conduct some seminars or conferences whether > national or> > international. I acually

intended to present a way how to prepare a> > paper for pesentation. I never intended to tell any thing wrong > about> > you. I wanted to push a guiding line only. If any does desire to do > some> > research work for publication of presentation may go through my> > following few lines. Just 5 minutes I tried to attach the file but> > failed , I don't know why. So I am copying it here. I wanted to > attach> > > the> > > > file since it is quite long. I shall be happy if you express > that> > you have excused me. Please go through the following.> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Scholars,> > > > I am happy to know that there will be an International > conference of> > Astrology shortly in Hyderabad. I am too happy that some of our > members>

> desire to present some papers in the conference. Now there is a > project> > from our scholar Sri Bhaskarji. But with much constrain I would > like to> > put forth that when we do a research on any topic we have to observe> > certain system. I would like to give some hints on this.> > > > A project has to be made and studied following certain criteria> > under certain headings.> > > > Ideally the headings should be as follows: -> > > > I.. Â Objective of the study.> > > > II.. Material.> > > > III. Method.> > > > IV. Observation.> > > > V. Â Summery.> > > > VI. Conclusion.> > > > Â> > > > I. Objective of the study.> > > > Â> > > > We should have specific aim and objectives to obtain

from the > study> > the result of which should some way help us in practice. In this > case> > the objectives are as follows.> > > > Â> > > > a)  Which is the best position â€"house placement> > wise, for any badhakasthanadhipat i, to be, in a chart? To be > harmless?> > > > b)  What is the best planet to be as Nakshatra owner, of which> > houses, for this badhakasthanadhipat i? To be harmless?> > > > c)     Is it good for a badhakasthanadhipat i> > to be placed in its own house? Will it be less harmful then?> > > > Â> > > > There are three objectives. The research scholar wants to know > the> > sign which if the badhakasthanadhipat i takes occupation of, it > shall> > not be harmful.>

> > > The scholar also wants to find out which is the Nakshatra lord > of> > the badhakasthanadhipat i to modify the badhaka effect of the > Adhipati.> > > > Third thing he wants to find out is if a badhakasthanadhipat i > is> > less harmful when it occupies its own house. Well the answer can be> > derived from the analysis done for objective "a". So this is a > secondary> > objective.> > > > The main objectives are "a" and "b".> > > > Till now it is OK to some extent.> > > > Â> > > > II.. Material.> > > > The material selected for the study is as follows: -> > > > Â> > > > For Fixed signs, suppose Leo ascendant, then for Mars, what > must be> > the best house for it> > > > to be placed in?>

> > > Â> > > > Before we go to "Material" section, I would like to go back to > the> > "Objectives" . Here he mentions "For Fixed Signs". That means the> > objective has become little more specific. Now the objectives can be> > reformed as, "For people born in fixed signs, i.e. Taurus, Leo, > Scorpio> > and Aquarius, which should be the best position for the> > badhakasthanadhipat i to be least harmful". Since we are considering> > Ascendant in fixed signs we mean the lord of IX as > badhakasthanadhipat> > i, since we conceive that the IX house is the badhakasthana for> > Ascendant in fixed signs. So the focus is the IX lord.> > > > Now the objectives "a" and "b" can be in one objective only. The> > only objective now can be as follows: -> > > > "Which is the best

position for lord of IX in a chart, for > people> > born in fixed signs, to be harmless?"> > > > This objective covers all.> > > > Now going to the material to be used to be studied the Scholar > has> > given, "suppose Leo ascendant, then for Mars, what must be the best> > house for it to be placed in?"> > > > When we review this sentence we find that we have 1. a blank > chart> > and 2. Ascendant is in Leo. This is incomplete and quite inadequate > for> > a study.> > > > Inadequacies are as follows: -> > > > 1. We do not know the exact longitude of the Ascendant.> > > > 2. We do not know the position of other cusps.> > > > 3. We do not know the position of the planets.> > > > With out having the above data it shall be utterly impossible

to> > study anything what to speak about a sensitive issue like badhaka > effect> > of lord of IX.> > > > In my opinion we should have taken a real horoscope for study.> > > > Next, from recent correspondences, it comes to mind that the > Scholar> > and many of us have in mind to focus on the XII bhaba. The > conception> > that the badhakasthanadhipat i if occupies XII bhava it does indict> > death to the person.> > > > Therefore we should have selected at least 4 horoscopes with the> > Ascendant in Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius having the IX lord> > posited in XII. From these horoscopes we should try to show that the> > Lord of IX did not cause death. By doing so we could have proved > that> > XII is the safest place where in the IX lord being posited does

not> > indict death.> > > > Thus I would like to point out that the material is quite > inadequate> > for study.> > > > Â> > > > III. Method..> > > > In these days we follow many methods for prediction. We have to > be> > very specific which method we use for this particular study. We > have to> > mention according to which method we observe/study and arrive at the> > conclusion. The methods could be as follows: -> > > > 1. Traditional.> > > > 2. Stellar Astrology KSK.> > > > 3. Sub Theory.> > > > 4. 4 step theory.> > > > 5. Any other.> > > > I would like to say that the methods should not be mixed ones. > It> > should not be any one the above or any method propounded by the >

Research> > Scholar (the new method should be explained).> > > > Â> > > > IV. Observation.> > > > Â> > > > One has to explain the observations/ justifications in detail.> > > > Â> > > > V. Summery.> > > > Â> > > > One has to summarize the observations in brief.> > > > Â> > > > VI. Conclusion> > > > In conclusion we should clearly mention whether we could find > out> > the answer to our question, whether we arrived at the goal of our> > objective...> > > > We could mention some thing as follows: -> > > > 1. Such and such position of lord of IX in a chart, for people > born> > in fixed signs, is harmless. OR> > > > 2. No position can be safeÂ>

> > > 3. Could not arrive at any decision and further study is > necessary.> > In this case some clues and criteria have to be indicated for > further> > research to guide others to continue the search ahead.> > > > If we add the references at the end the study shall be more> > authentic.> > > > The preparation has to be as suggested above. Presentation in > the> > conference may be according to convenience.> > > > Â> > > > So, concluding, according to me, in this particular study, we > have> > to review the objectives, the material and finalize the method we > want> > to use.> > > > On the contrary I would like to add that this objective shall > not> > help us in any way in practice. One may not find in life time, > unless he> > is

fortunate enough, a single horoscope with such a fortunate > position> > of the IX lord.> > > > Â> > > > Comments of seniors are cordially invited.> > > > With most humble and due regards to all the members.> > > > Â> > > > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Monday, October 13, 2008 10:59:14 PM> > > > Re: Badhaka - What is the best position ?> > > >> > > >> > > > Â> > > > Dear Shri Lutherji,> > > > Â> > > > Yes Mr. Dhanbalanji is right. Mars is in Leo 6.19.00 along'with> >

> > Rahu also in Leo 6.41.00 but both these move to the 12th Cusp.> > > > The 12th Cusp begins from 16.29.34 Cancer and extends uptil> > > > 16.06.22 Leo. So Mars remains in Leo, but the Cusp changes.> > > > Â> > > > Now what are your comments on the same ?> > > > Â> > > > I also see you mentioning something about research to Sujata.> > > > Please note that if you are talking about me, then I am not> > connected to> > > > any research work, and dont have time for all this, and not> > affiliated with> > > > any International astro organisation. I am nowhere> > > > connected with these. If at all> > > > in Life, a time comes when I have to do some research work, then> > > > it would be done on my own experience and not

on others sweat.> > > > I already have crores rupee family business which I have> > > > left , and work and earn from my own labours and not on others.> > > > I am a very small and unknown person and not at all linked> > > > to what you have mentioned.> > > > Â> > > > If You have received some information about this, then please > inform> > the> > > > members about the same, so that the afflicted parties have a > chance> > to> > > > give their explanations, before you misunderstand and > misjudge.> > > > Â> > > > Please clear any misunderstandings, before you move ahead.Here > you> > are meeting a man who does not even ask for a glass of water from > anyone> > so remain assured and continue.>

> > > Â> > > > You please come out clear with what you meant about Â> > > >   " research work " and who gave you this impression,> > so that we can clear this.> > > > Â> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > Â> > > > Â> > > > Â> > > > Â> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath rathluther@ ..>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sujataji,> > > > > Very late, I could understand that the topic has come to the > group> > toopinion of members for preparing a research paper. Had I known > earlier> > I would not have attempted in that way. In fact this is not a > suitable>

> topic for presentating in an international conference of > astrologers.> > The material provided is not adequate. The result will not have any> > practical application. I am undergoing through mental preparation > to> > take up the issue and put up before the group.> > > > > With regards.> > > > > Dr. Luther Rath> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sujata das sujatadash1@ ...> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:02:22 PM> > > > > Re: Badhaka - What is the best > position ?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dr Rath> > > >

> 11th house has the power to become auspicious for lagnas other> > than movable. Why don't you cosider the sub as well. If ita in the > sub> > of significatir of good houses, its good.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Sujata> > > > >> > > > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Luther Rath rathluther > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Luther Rath rathluther >> > > > > Re: Badhaka - What is the best > position ?> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Friday, 10 October, 2008, 7:08 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar,> > > > > My opinion in regards to your queries is as follows. I request> > feed

back.> > > > > Â> > > > > Badhakasthanaadhipa ti is Mars.> > > > > a) Which is the best position - house placement wise, for any> > > > > badhaksthanadhipati , to be, in a chart? To be harmless?> > > > > Â> > > > > * ..Mars should not occupy II, VII and IX. (Virgo, Aquarius > and> > Aries).> > > > > * .Mars could occupy to be harmless by negating badhaka > sthana by> > occupying II (6th house to IX), IV (8th house to IX) or VIII (12th > house> > to IX). But II is maraka sthana so not harmless, VIII is house for> > accidents and other troubles, so this too is not safe. IV appears > to be> > safe till now. Thus Mars should not occupy Pisces as well.> > > > > * Mars should occupy IV (Scorpio) since it is 8th to IX

and> > negates badhaka effect. As it occupies its own sign it becomes > strong to> > negate the result of its other house. But it cannot be final as > long as> > the constellations are considered.> > > > > * IX cusp in Aries can be in the constellation of Kethu or > Venus> > or Sun. Scorpio does not contain these constellations. This is> > definitely an advantage. Scorpio contains the constellations of > Jupiter,> > Saturn and Mercury.> > > > > * Jupiter owns house VIII. Though VIII negates IX, it is not > an> > auspicious house. So Mars is this constellation may not be > considered as> > safe.> > > > > * Mercury owns II the maraca sthana, occupation of Mars is > this> > constellation is not safe as well.> > > > > * Saturn owns houses VI

and VII. So Saturn is also not > auspicious.> > > > > * So Mars in Scorpio is not very safe as considered.> > > > > * The planets that have not come to fore front are Moon and > Venus.> > So they are definitely safe as long as maraca and badhaka effects > are> > considered. The conjoined zone of Moon and Venus is the > constellation of> > Rohini in Taurus. This should be the safest sign for Mars to tenant > to> > be harmless.> > > > > Â> > > > > Â> > > > > b) What is the best planet to be as Nakshatra owner, of which> > house, for this Badhaksthanadhipati ? To be harmless?> > > > > * As per the last clause, Rohini appears to be the safest> > Nakshatra for Mars.> > > > > Â> > > > > c) Is it

good for a badhaksthanadhipati to be placed in its > own> > house? Will it be less harmful then?> > > > > Â> > > > > * In this particular instance we may note that if Mars > occupies it> > own house Aries its strength as a badhaka is supplemented. On the > other> > hand if it occupies the other house Scorpio it appears to be > relatively> > safe.> > > > > Â> > > > > Perhaps not much can be assessed until and unless one studies > the> > sub-lord of Mars and sub-lords of other cusps.> > > > > Â> > > > > With regards.> > > > > Â> > > > > Dr. Luther Rath.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> > > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > Thursday, October 9, 2008 3:23:35 PM> > > > > Badhaka - What is the best position ?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear all,> > > > >> > > > > With reference to the Badhaka, I have 2 queries.> > > > >> > > > > a) Which is the best position - house placement wise, for any> > > > > badhaksthanadhipati , to be, in a chart ?To be harmless ?> > > > >> > > > > b) What is the best Planet to be as Nakshatra owner, of which> > houses,> > > > > for this Badhaksthanadhipati ? To be harmless ?> > > >

>> > > > > c) Is it good for a badhaksthanadhipati to be placed in its > own> > house ?> > > > > Will it be less harmful then ?> > > > >> > > > > For instance, For Fixed signs, suppose Leo ascendant, then for> > Mars,> > > > > what must be the best house for it to be placed in ?> > > > >> > > > > What nakshatra owner must be this Mars, in, to be harmless ?> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.> > > > >> >

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