Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair

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Dear Friend,

 

Sorry for a mess up in my response.

 

Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:

 

1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and will be

larger in the future.

 

2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the same.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

 

, rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:

>

> Â

> Sir,

> In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between cuspal

points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -

> Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

>

> > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

Ge 17:03:15,

> rao chitturu

>

> --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 tw853

> Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

>

> Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM

>

It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points

is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP

principles in this regard.

> Â

>

> @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .> wrote:

> >

> > ÂÂ

> > dear sir,

> > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen

ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it

is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for

birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.

> > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish

somebody to further examine.

> > rao chitturu.

> >

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > tw853 tw853@

> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > @gro ups.com

> > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of

KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not

KP whatever one is claiming onself.

> > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see

the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

> > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and

nothing to do with KP.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> > ÂÂ

> > Msg#16208

> > ÂÂ

> > Re: Marraige yes or no?

> > Dear Sudharsan ji,

> >

> > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme

charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference

between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by

choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given

under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and

Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New

KPA.)

> >  http://www.astraura .org

> > ÂÂ

> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> > ÂÂ

> > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30

GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

> > ÂÂ

> > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th

cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi

03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge

01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is

from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn

02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07

to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from

5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by

counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is

Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is

the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd

and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs

Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp

falling, ie. called intercepted

> signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of

> > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th

cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House

Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same

in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is

located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location

of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

> > ÂÂ

> > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge

01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge,

ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge

14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge

28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes.

All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and

its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th

and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ

intercepted in her chart.

> > Regards,

> > tw

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear members

> > > ÂÂ

> > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees

and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava

base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is

given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years

experience.

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign

based and not bhava based.

> > > ÂÂ

> > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire

tatwa)

> > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

> > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)

> > > ÂÂ

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used

the Naadi principle in K.P.

> > > ÂÂ

> > >  Dhanabalan

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Dear Sir,

Thanks for clarification.

If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my further doubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal division of houses.

This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - I seek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. I am not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.

rao chitturu.

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tw853 <tw853 Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair Date: Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM

 

 

Dear Friend,Sorry for a mess up in my response.Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and will belarger in the future.2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the same.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@. ..> wrote:>> Â> Sir,> In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between cuspalpoints is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -> Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32>> > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus HouseSystem. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd

cusp ÂÂGe 17:03:15,> rao chitturu>> --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853 wrote:>> tw853 tw853 Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM>>>>>>>> It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal pointsis less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KPprinciples in this regard.> Â>> @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .> wrote:> >> > ÂÂ> > dear sir,> > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the difference between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - itis a point to think of the

validity of KP principles. It hapens forbirth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wishsomebody to further examine.> > rao chitturu.> >> >> > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> >> > tw853 tw853@> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > @gro ups.com> > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Friends,> > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars ofKP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is notKP whatever one is claiming onself.> > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl seethe charts below and that is why intercepted

sign or floater is called.> > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional andnothing to do with KP.> > Regards,> > tw> > ÂÂ> > Msg#16208> > ÂÂ> > Re: Marraige yes or no?> > Dear Sudharsan ji,> >> > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extremecharts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the differencebetween the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated bychoosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link givenunder, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> andGeographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and NewKPA.)> >  http://www.astraura .org> > ÂÂ> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT),

Edinburgh,Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > ÂÂ> > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> > ÂÂ> > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus HouseSystem. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂGe 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5thcusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house isfrom 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to

6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, bycounting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses isMercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house isthe sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2ndand 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signsLe & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cuspfalling, ie. called intercepted> signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7thcusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch HouseSystems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the samein Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 islocated in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how locationof planets can be different depending on the House System used:> >

ÂÂ> > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm> > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge,ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes.All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg andits sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9thand 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂintercepted in her chart.> > Regards,> > tw> >> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>wrote:> > >> > >

Dear members> > > ÂÂ> > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degreesand 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhavabase. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It isgiven by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 yearsexperience.> > > ÂÂ> > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on signbased and not bhava based.> > > ÂÂ> > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same firetatwa)> > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > ÂÂ> > > ÂÂ> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has

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Dear Friend,

 

1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If you've doubt,

please do some kind of practical researh and let the group know your

finding.

 

2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want to apply

KP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system.

 

3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and India the

most popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10% Equal

House and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and proclaimed by

the best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus by ZP

Dobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean; Recent

Advances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank website,

the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Thanks for clarification.

> If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my further

doubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal division

of houses.

> This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - I

seek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. I

am not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.

> rao chitturu.

>

>

> --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853

> Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair

>

> Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM

>

Dear Friend,

>

> Sorry for a mess up in my response.

>

> Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:

>

> 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and will be

> larger in the future.

>

> 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the same.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Â

> > Sir,

> > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between cuspal

> points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -

> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> >

> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

> Ge 17:03:15,

> > rao chitturu

> >

> > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> >

> > tw853 tw853@

> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points

> is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP

> principles in this regard.

> > Â

> >

> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > ÂÂ

> > > dear sir,

> > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen

> ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it

> is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for

> birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.

> > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish

> somebody to further examine.

> > > rao chitturu.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > >

> > > tw853 tw853@

> > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of

> KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not

> KP whatever one is claiming onself.

> > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see

> the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

> > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and

> nothing to do with KP.

> > > Regards,

> > > tw

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Msg#16208

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Re: Marraige yes or no?

> > > Dear Sudharsan ji,

> > >

> > > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme

> charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference

> between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by

> choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given

> under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and

> Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New

> KPA.)

> > >  http://www.astraura .org

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> > > ÂÂ

> > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30

> GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

> > > ÂÂ

> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

> Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th

> cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi

> 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge

> 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is

> from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn

> 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07

> to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from

> 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by

> counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is

> Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is

> the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd

> and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs

> Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp

> falling, ie. called intercepted

> > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of

> > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th

> cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House

> Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same

> in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is

> located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location

> of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

> > > ÂÂ

> > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge

> 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge,

> ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge

> 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge

> 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes.

> All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and

> its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th

> and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ

> intercepted in her chart.

> > > Regards,

> > > tw

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear members

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees

> and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava

> base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is

> given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years

> experience.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign

> based and not bhava based.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire

> tatwa)

> > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

> > > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used

> the Naadi principle in K.P.

> > > > ÂÂ

> > > >  Dhanabalan

> > > >

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Dear Tw ji,

 

I don't think that what we use in India can be classified as " Equal House System " . In Equal House System, ascendant is the starting point of first house and successive house start with the same degree but different sign. There is no calculation of MC/10th cusp in Equal House division. In this division, the house division doesn't not change for people born at same time at two different latitudes.

 

In Indian astrology, two divisions are most popular - rasi based division and bhava madhya chakra. Rasi based division is used in commonly used lagna chart/ rashi chart which actually can not be classified as house division because there is no house calculation. We put the rasi of ascendant and put successive rasi number in next houses and place planet accordingly.

 

The bhava madhya chakra is calculated using 1st cusp and 10th cusp position, Here is ascendant is not the beginning of the house but rather approximate middle of the house. This system is will produce two different house positions for people born at same time but two different latitudes. This system is also called " Sripati House Division " on the name of mathematician Sripati. This system is more close to what is known as " Porphyry's House System " in Western world than the " Equal House System " .

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If you've doubt,please do some kind of practical researh and let the group know yourfinding. 2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want to apply

KP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system. 3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and India themost popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10% EqualHouse and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and proclaimed by

the best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus by ZPDobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean; RecentAdvances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank website,the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion.

Regards,tw , rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Thanks for clarification.

> If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my furtherdoubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal divisionof houses. > This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - I

seek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. Iam not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.> rao chitturu.> >

 

 

> --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > tw853 <tw853> Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair>

> Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > Sorry for a mess up in my response.> > Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:

> > 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and will be> larger in the future.> > 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the same.> > Regards,

> > tw> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@ ..> wrote:> >> > Â> > Sir,> > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between cuspal

> points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> >

> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ> Ge 17:03:15,> > rao chitturu> >> > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> >> > tw853 tw853@> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM

> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points> is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP

> principles in this regard.> > Â> >> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .> wrote:> > >> > > ÂÂ

> > > dear sir,> > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen> ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it> is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for

> birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish> somebody to further examine.> > > rao chitturu.> > >

> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > tw853 tw853@> > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of

> KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not> KP whatever one is claiming onself.> > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see> the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

> > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and> nothing to do with KP.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > > ÂÂ> > > Msg#16208> > > ÂÂ

> > > Re: Marraige yes or no?> > > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > >> > > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme> charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference

> between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by> choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given> under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and

> Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New> KPA.)> > >  http://www.astraura .org> > > ÂÂ> > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > > ÂÂ> > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30> GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

> > > ÂÂ> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ> Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th

> cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi> 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge> 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is> from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn

> 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07> to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from> 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by> counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is

> Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is> the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd> and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs

> Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp> falling, ie. called intercepted> > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th

> cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House> Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same> in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is> located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location

> of planets can be different depending on the House System used:> > > ÂÂ> > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge> 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge,> ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge

> 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge> 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes.> All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and

> its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th> and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ> intercepted in her chart.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> > > >

> > > > Dear members> > > > ÂÂ> > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees> and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava

> base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is> given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years> experience.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign

> based and not bhava based.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire> tatwa)> > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used

> the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > ÂÂ> > > >  Dhanabalan> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

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Dear Sir,

Thanks for the information.

I am not so good for research. So I cannot de not deny your readings.

My curiosity is to know your observations.

I leave it those who can persue.

rao chitturu

 

 

--- On Sun, 5/10/08, tw853 <ny tw853ny @> wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 8:46 AM

 

 

Dear Friend,1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If you've doubt,please do some kind of practical researh and let the group know yourfinding. 2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want to applyKP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system. 3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and India themost popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10% EqualHouse and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and proclaimed bythe best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus by ZPDobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean; RecentAdvances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank website,the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion. Regards,tw@gro ups.com, rao chitturu

<csr162002@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Thanks for clarification.> If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my furtherdoubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal divisionof houses. > This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - Iseek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. Iam not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.> rao chitturu.> > > --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > tw853 <tw853> Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > Sorry for a mess up

in my response.> > Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:> > 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and will be> larger in the future.> > 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the same.> > Regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@ ..> wrote:> >> > Â> > Sir,> > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between cuspal> points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> >> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd

cusp ÂÂ> Ge 17:03:15,> > rao chitturu> >> > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> >> > tw853 tw853@> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points> is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP> principles in this regard.> > Â> >> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .> wrote:> > >> > > ÂÂ> > > dear sir,> > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen> ce between two cusopal

points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it> is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for> birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish> somebody to further examine.> > > rao chitturu.> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > tw853 tw853@> > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of> KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and

Vimshottari dasa system), it is not> KP whatever one is claiming onself.> > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see> the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.> > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and> nothing to do with KP.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > > ÂÂ> > > Msg#16208> > > ÂÂ> > > Re: Marraige yes or no?> > > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > >> > > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme> charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference> between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by> choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given> under, without touching any

option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and> Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New> KPA.)> > >  http://www.astraura .org> > > ÂÂ> > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > > ÂÂ> > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30> GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> > > ÂÂ> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ> Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,ÂÂ

 5th> cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi> 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge> 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is> from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn> 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07> to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from> 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by> counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is> Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is> the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and

Mercury owns 2nd> and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs> Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp> falling, ie. called intercepted> > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th> cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House> Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same> in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is> located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location> of planets can be different depending on the House System used:> > > ÂÂ> > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/

NM/BlairTony. htm> > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge> 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge,> ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge> 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge> 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes.> All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and> its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th> and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ> intercepted in her chart.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>>

wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members> > > > ÂÂ> > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees> and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava> base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is> given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years> experience.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign> based and not bhava based.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire> tatwa)> > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > > > 4,8,12 Moksa

trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used> the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > ÂÂ> > > >  Dhanabalan> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof.> Go to http://in.promos. / groups/> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Dear Shri.Punit Pandey

Thanks for the information.

Now I know the difference between equal house division and the other one.

I also note the difference between rasi based chart and bhava based chart.

Now I realy want to learn out of your experience - whther the rasi based charts are more usseful for predictive purposes than the bhava based charts for births at extreem latitudes like 'Edinburgh".

I am raising this doubt because of my difficulty in reading KP charts of my family member born at Edinbugh - then I had to switch over to traditional system. BUT I do not want to conclude on major issues with one / two charts.So my doubt is continuing.

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Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 12:11 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

I don't think that what we use in India can be classified as "Equal House System". In Equal House System, ascendant is the starting point of first house and successive house start with the same degree but different sign. There is no calculation of MC/10th cusp in Equal House division. In this division, the house division doesn't not change for people born at same time at two different latitudes.

 

In Indian astrology, two divisions are most popular - rasi based division and bhava madhya chakra. Rasi based division is used in commonly used lagna chart/ rashi chart which actually can not be classified as house division because there is no house calculation. We put the rasi of ascendant and put successive rasi number in next houses and place planet accordingly.

 

The bhava madhya chakra is calculated using 1st cusp and 10th cusp position, Here is ascendant is not the beginning of the house but rather approximate middle of the house. This system is will produce two different house positions for people born at same time but two different latitudes. This system is also called "Sripati House Division" on the name of mathematician Sripati. This system is more close to what is known as "Porphyry's House System" in Western world than the "Equal House System".

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

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Dear Friend,1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If you've doubt,please do some kind of practical researh and let the group know yourfinding. 2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want to applyKP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system. 3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and India themost popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10% EqualHouse and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and proclaimed bythe best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus by ZPDobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean; RecentAdvances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank website,the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion. Regards,tw @gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Thanks for clarification.> If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my furtherdoubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal divisionof houses. > This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - Iseek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. Iam not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.> rao chitturu.> >

 

 

> --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > tw853 <tw853> Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > Sorry for a mess up in my response.> > Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:> > 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and will be> larger in the future.> > 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the same.> > Regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu

<csr162002@ ..> wrote:> >> > Â> > Sir,> > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between cuspal> points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> >> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ> Ge 17:03:15,> > rao chitturu> >> > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> >> > tw853 tw853@> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM> >> >>

>> >> >> >> >> > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points> is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP> principles in this regard.> > Â> >> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .> wrote:> > >> > > ÂÂ> > > dear sir,> > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen> ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it> is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for> birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish> somebody to further examine.> > > rao chitturu.>

> >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > tw853 tw853@> > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of> KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not> KP whatever one is claiming onself.> > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see> the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.> > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars

Dosha is about traditional and> nothing to do with KP.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > > ÂÂ> > > Msg#16208> > > ÂÂ> > > Re: Marraige yes or no?> > > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > >> > > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme> charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference> between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by> choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given> under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and> Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New> KPA.)> > >  http://www.astraura .org> > > ÂÂ> > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10

AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > > ÂÂ> > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30> GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> > > ÂÂ> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ> Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th> cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi> 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge> 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is> from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn> 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07> to  5th

cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from> 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by> counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is> Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is> the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd> and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs> Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp> falling, ie. called intercepted> > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th> cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House> Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same> in Placidus and Koch House Systems.. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is> located

in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location> of planets can be different depending on the House System used:> > > ÂÂ> > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm> > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge> 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge,> ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge> 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge> 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes.> All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and> its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th> and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar,ÂÂ

areÂÂ> intercepted in her chart.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members> > > > ÂÂ> > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees> and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava> base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is> given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years> experience.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign> based and not bhava based.> > > > ÂÂ> > > >

1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire> tatwa)> > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used> the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > ÂÂ> > > >  Dhanabalan> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof.> Go

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Dear Shri Rao,

 

I agree with Tw ji that in KP we should use Placidus house division. In case you have found some problem in studying charts at extreme latitudes using Placidus, please post the chart and we will talk about it. Astrological principles should be validated practically and not theoretically.

 

Your second question is whether rasi based charts are more useful or bhava based charts. In my opinion, there is no comparison. Both charts are equally useful. Rasi charts tells you the relative rasi position from one point to another point, whereas bhava charts tells you the position of planet in a house. I have written one article on this subject at http://www.astrocamp.com/Vedic Astrology/2008/03/diference-between-lagna-chalit-chart.html and I am posting the extract here -

 

The Lagna Chart, also known as Rasi Chart, talks about the relative positions of planet for identifying the nature of the planet (benefic/ malefic etc.) and relationship with other planets. For example, a planet 6th, 8th, or 12th from lagna is not good for langa. On the other hand, Chalit chart tells about planet's house position also called planet siginifcation. For example if a planet is in 8th in lagna kundli but in 7th in chalit kundli, it means that you will get the result of 7th house during the dasa period of that planet. Due to being in 8th in lagna chart, the result may be malefic, so it shows problem in marriage.

Assessing house position from Lagna Kundli is not correct. This is the reason we see cuspal chart is being used in KP System for assessing the signification and synthesizing the result with dasa. In case the planets are shifting in Chalit Chart, in dasa period of a planet, it is recommended to predict the result of house with which the planet is associated in Chalit chart and NOT in Lagna chart.

The Chalit chart requires some mathematical calculation and that is the reason it was not very popular. But now with easy availability of computers, it is important that astrologers start using Chalit chart.

 

Please note that by Lagna chart I mean Rasi chart only. As this article was not specific to KP, I used chalit (bhava madhya system) in this example. Though generally I prefer Placidus cusp over Chalit where ever possible. Please note that what I have written in above article in my understanding and people may differ on the differences on Rasi chart and Chalit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:50 PM, rao chitturu <csr162002 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Punit Pandey

Thanks for the information.

Now I know the difference between equal house division and the other one.

I also note the difference between rasi based chart and bhava based chart.

Now I realy want to learn out of your experience - whther the rasi based charts are more usseful for predictive purposes than the bhava based charts for births at extreem latitudes like 'Edinburgh " .

I am raising this doubt because of my difficulty in reading KP charts of my family member born at Edinbugh - then I had to switch over to traditional system. BUT I do not want to conclude on major issues with one / two charts.So my doubt is continuing.

rao chitturu

 

--- On Sun, 5/10/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 12:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

I don't think that what we use in India can be classified as " Equal House System " . In Equal House System, ascendant is the starting point of first house and successive house start with the same degree but different sign. There is no calculation of MC/10th cusp in Equal House division. In this division, the house division doesn't not change for people born at same time at two different latitudes.

 

In Indian astrology, two divisions are most popular - rasi based division and bhava madhya chakra. Rasi based division is used in commonly used lagna chart/ rashi chart which actually can not be classified as house division because there is no house calculation. We put the rasi of ascendant and put successive rasi number in next houses and place planet accordingly.

 

The bhava madhya chakra is calculated using 1st cusp and 10th cusp position, Here is ascendant is not the beginning of the house but rather approximate middle of the house. This system is will produce two different house positions for people born at same time but two different latitudes. This system is also called " Sripati House Division " on the name of mathematician Sripati. This system is more close to what is known as " Porphyry's House System " in Western world than the " Equal House System " .

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

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Dear Friend,1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If you've doubt,please do some kind of practical researh and let the group know yourfinding. 2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want to apply

KP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system. 3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and India themost popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10% EqualHouse and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and proclaimed by

the best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus by ZPDobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean; RecentAdvances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank website,the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion.

Regards,tw

 

@gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@.. .> wrote:>

> Dear Sir,> Thanks for clarification.> If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my furtherdoubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal division

of houses. > This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - Iseek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. Iam not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.> rao chitturu.

> >

 

 

 

> --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > tw853 <tw853> Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair> @gro ups.com

 

> Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > Sorry for a mess up in my response.> > Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:

> > 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and will be> larger in the future.> > 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the same.> > Regards,

> > tw> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@ ..> wrote:> >> > Â> > Sir,

> > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between cuspal> points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> >> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

> Ge 17:03:15,> > rao chitturu> >> > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> >> > tw853 tw853@> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM> >> >> >> >> >

> >> >> > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points> is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP> principles in this regard.

> > Â> >> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .> wrote:> > >> > > ÂÂ> > > dear sir,

> > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen> ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it> is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for

> birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish> somebody to further examine.> > > rao chitturu.> > >

> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > tw853 tw853@> > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of

> KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not> KP whatever one is claiming onself.> > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see> the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.

> > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and> nothing to do with KP.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > > ÂÂ> > > Msg#16208> > > ÂÂ

> > > Re: Marraige yes or no?> > > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > >> > > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme> charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference

> between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by> choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given> under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and

> Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New> KPA.)> > >  http://www.astraura .org> > > ÂÂ

> > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > > ÂÂ> > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30

> GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> > > ÂÂ> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

> Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th> cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi> 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge> 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is

> from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn> 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07> to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from> 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by

> counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is> Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is> the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd

> and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs> Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp> falling, ie. called intercepted> > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of

> > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th> cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House> Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same

> in Placidus and Koch House Systems.. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is> located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location> of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

> > > ÂÂ> > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm> > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge

> 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge,> ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge> 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge

> 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes.> All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and> its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th

> and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ> intercepted in her chart.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members> > > > ÂÂ> > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees> and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava

> base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is> given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years> experience.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign

> based and not bhava based.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire> tatwa)> > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used

> the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > ÂÂ> > > >  Dhanabalan> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

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Dear Shri.Punit Pandey

Thanks for your detailed clarification. More so for a fast reply.

I note to read the article and try to read further the divisional charts.

rao chitturu--- On Sun, 5/10/08, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair Date: Sunday, 5 October, 2008, 3:26 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri Rao,

 

I agree with Tw ji that in KP we should use Placidus house division. In case you have found some problem in studying charts at extreme latitudes using Placidus, please post the chart and we will talk about it. Astrological principles should be validated practically and not theoretically.

 

Your second question is whether rasi based charts are more useful or bhava based charts. In my opinion, there is no comparison. Both charts are equally useful. Rasi charts tells you the relative rasi position from one point to another point, whereas bhava charts tells you the position of planet in a house. I have written one article on this subject at http://www.astrocam p.com/vedicastro logy/2008/ 03/diference- between-lagna- chalit-chart. html and I am posting the extract here -

 

The Lagna Chart, also known as Rasi Chart, talks about the relative positions of planet for identifying the nature of the planet (benefic/ malefic etc.) and relationship with other planets. For example, a planet 6th, 8th, or 12th from lagna is not good for langa. On the other hand, Chalit chart tells about planet's house position also called planet

siginifcation. For example if a planet is in 8th in lagna kundli but in 7th in chalit kundli, it means that you will get the result of 7th house during the dasa period of that planet. Due to being in 8th in lagna chart, the result may be malefic, so it shows problem in marriage.

Assessing house position from Lagna Kundli is not correct. This is the reason we see cuspal chart is being used in KP System for assessing the signification and synthesizing the result with dasa. In case the planets are shifting in Chalit Chart, in dasa period of a planet, it is recommended to predict the result of house with which the planet is associated in Chalit chart and NOT in Lagna chart.

The Chalit chart requires some mathematical calculation and that is the reason it was not very popular. But now with easy availability of computers, it is important that astrologers start using Chalit chart.

Please note that by Lagna chart I mean Rasi chart only. As this article was not specific to KP, I used chalit (bhava madhya system) in this example. Though generally I prefer Placidus cusp over Chalit where ever possible.. Please note that what I have written in above article in my understanding and people may differ on the differences on Rasi chart and Chalit.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:50 PM, rao chitturu <csr162002 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri.Punit Pandey

Thanks for the information.

Now I know the difference between equal house division and the other one.

I also note the difference between rasi based chart and bhava based chart.

Now I realy want to learn out of your experience - whther the rasi based charts are more usseful for predictive purposes than the bhava based charts for births at extreem latitudes like 'Edinburgh".

I am raising this doubt because of my difficulty in reading KP charts of my family member born at Edinbugh - then I had to switch over to traditional system. BUT I do not want to conclude on major issues with one / two charts.So my doubt is continuing.

rao chitturu

 

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Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair @gro ups.comSunday, 5 October, 2008, 12:11 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

I don't think that what we use in India can be classified as "Equal House System". In Equal House System, ascendant is the starting point of first house and successive house start with the same degree but different sign. There is no calculation of MC/10th cusp in Equal House division. In this division, the house division doesn't not change for people born at same time at two different latitudes.

 

In Indian astrology, two divisions are most popular - rasi based division and bhava madhya chakra. Rasi based division is used in commonly used lagna chart/ rashi chart which actually can not be classified as house division because there is no house calculation. We put the rasi of ascendant and put successive rasi number in next houses and place planet accordingly.

 

The bhava madhya chakra is calculated using 1st cusp and 10th cusp position, Here is ascendant is not the beginning of the house but rather approximate middle of the house. This system is will produce two different house positions for people born at same time but two different latitudes. This system is also called "Sripati House Division" on the name of mathematician Sripati. This system is more close to what is known as "Porphyry's House System" in Western world than the "Equal House System".

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If you've doubt,please do some kind of practical researh and let the group know yourfinding. 2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want to applyKP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system. 3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and India themost popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10% EqualHouse and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and proclaimed bythe best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus by ZPDobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean; RecentAdvances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank website,the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion. Regards,tw

 

@gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@.. .> wrote:>

> Dear Sir,> Thanks for clarification.> If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my furtherdoubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal divisionof houses. > This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - Iseek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. Iam not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.> rao chitturu.> >

 

 

 

> --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > tw853 <tw853> Re:difference is less than ayanamsa ....tony blair> @gro ups.com

 

> Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Friend,> > Sorry for a mess up in my response.> > Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:> > 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and will be> larger in the future.> > 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the same.> > Regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@ ..> wrote:> >> > Â> > Sir,> > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between cuspal> points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -> > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT),

Edinburgh,> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> >> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ> Ge 17:03:15,> > rao chitturu> >> > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> >> > tw853 tw853@> > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > @gro ups.com> > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal points> is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of validity of KP> principles in this regard.> > Â> >> > ---

In @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .> wrote:> > >> > > ÂÂ> > > dear sir,> > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the differen> ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of ayanamsa - it> is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for> birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish> somebody to further examine.> > > rao chitturu.> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > tw853 tw853@> > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > > @gro ups.com> > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of> KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not> KP whatever one is claiming onself.> > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see> the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called.> > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and> nothing to do with KP.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > > ÂÂ> > > Msg#16208> > > ÂÂ> > > Re: Marraige yes or no?> > > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > >> >

> 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme> charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference> between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by> choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given> under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and> Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New> KPA.)> > >  http://www.astraura .org> > > ÂÂ> > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,> Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > > ÂÂ> > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30> GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> > >

ÂÂ> > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ> Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th> cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi> 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge> 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is> from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn> 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07> to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from> 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by> counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is> Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is> the sign

lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd> and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs> Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp> falling, ie. called intercepted> > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th> cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House> Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same> in Placidus and Koch House Systems.. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is> located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location> of planets can be different depending on the House System used:> > > ÂÂ> > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm> > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge> 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge,> ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge> 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge> 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes.> All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and> its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th> and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ> intercepted in her chart.> > > Regards,> > > tw> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear members> > > > ÂÂ> > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees> and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava> base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is> given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years> experience.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign> based and not bhava based.> > > > ÂÂ> > > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire> tatwa)> > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> > > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same

starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > ÂÂ> > > > ÂÂ> > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used> the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > ÂÂ> > > >  Dhanabalan> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof.> Go to http://in..promos. / groups/> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

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Dear Punit Pandey ji,

 

1. As per G Dean, Equal House, 1st = Asc, all houses 30 deg wide,

Preferred by the Indian sage Parasara about 300 BC, hence this system

is probably the oldest of all; Porphyry, 1st = Asc, 10th=MC, rest by

trisection of ecliptic quardrants. (Here emphasis seems 30 deg equal

division.)

 

2. Sumeet Chugh says that one of the reasons for Lachman Das Madan's

record of correct predictions is the importance he gives to Chalit

Chakra (also known as a bhava-chart). Hindu or Vedic system of house

division is the equal house-division system. (Here also emphasis seems

30 deg equal division.) And started calculation from the subtraction

of M.C. from ascendant.

 

3. AstroDatabank's using of Equal House with MC can be found below

and Lois Rodden's opinion is attached.

 

http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

Why does AstroDatabank use Equal House when constructing charts for

newsmakers?

 

If you were born way up in Lang, Saskatchewan (Canada) like Lois

Rodden you too would know from first-hand experience how much more

reasonable a equal house system looks compared to Koch and Placidus.

Lois's chart in Placidus has enormous 1st and 7th houses of 58 degrees

each and tiny 4th and 10th house that span only 18 degrees each.

 

Here is Ms. Rodden's more theoretical view on equal house: " The most

popular house systems (Placidus, Koch, Porphyry, etc.) accept that

Asc-Dsc axis as the start of the 1st and 7th houses and the MC-IC axis

as the beginning of the 10th and 4th houses. Placidus draws the

planets closer to the Asc-Dsc axis and Koch draws them closer to the

MC-IC axis. Their differences come from using different measurement

systems to trisect (cut into three segments) the space in between the

axises. But to " my " mind this measuring of physical characteristics is

not in keeping with the symbolic nature of astrology.

 

" Astrologers everywhere agree that there are 12 signs of 30 degrees

each to make up the zodiac (circle of animals), despite the fact that

the constellations are not divided into tidy 30-degree segments. If we

want a physical reality and not a symbol system, should we not all be

keeping to the physical divisions in the sky where Virgo spans 12

degrees and Scorpio 45 degrees? Since we accept astrological signs as

a symbol system overlaying the physical zodiac, why not accept houses

as a symbolic division as well?

 

" The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: -

It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely

symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas the

MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

 

" Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are a

number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Koch

vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information

with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for

further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a

role in finally resolving the great house system debate. "

 

Lois Rodden

 

 

 

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> I don't think that what we use in India can be classified as " Equal

House

> System " . In Equal House System, ascendant is the starting point of first

> house and successive house start with the same degree but different

sign.

> There is no calculation of MC/10th cusp in Equal House division. In this

> division, the house division doesn't not change for people born at

same time

> at two different latitudes.

>

> In Indian astrology, two divisions are most popular - rasi based

division

> and bhava madhya chakra. Rasi based division is used in commonly

used lagna

> chart/ rashi chart which actually can not be classified as house

division

> because there is no house calculation. We put the rasi of ascendant

and put

> successive rasi number in next houses and place planet accordingly.

>

> The bhava madhya chakra is calculated using 1st cusp and 10th cusp

position,

> Here is ascendant is not the beginning of the house but rather

approximate

> middle of the house. This system is will produce two different house

> positions for people born at same time but two different latitudes. This

> system is also called " Sripati House Division " on the name of

mathematician

> Sripati. This system is more close to what is known as " Porphyry's House

> System " in Western world than the " Equal House System " .

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> > Dear Friend,

> >

> > 1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If you've doubt,

> > please do some kind of practical researh and let the group know your

> > finding.

> >

> > 2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want to apply

> > KP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system.

> >

> > 3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and India the

> > most popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10% Equal

> > House and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and proclaimed by

> > the best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus by ZP

> > Dobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean; Recent

> > Advances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank website,

> > the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > <%40>, rao

> > chitturu <csr162002@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > > Thanks for clarification.

> > > If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my further

> > doubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal division

> > of houses.

> > > This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - I

> > seek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. I

> > am not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.

> > > rao chitturu.

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > Re:difference is less than ayanamsa

.....tony blair

> > > <%40>

> > > Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > >

> > > Sorry for a mess up in my response.

> > >

> > > Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:

> > >

> > > 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and

will be

> > > larger in the future.

> > >

> > > 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are the

same.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > tw

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > > Sir,

> > > > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference between

cuspal

> > > points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -

> > > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> > > Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> > > >

> > > > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

> > > System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

> > > Ge 17:03:15,

> > > > rao chitturu

> > > >

> > > > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > tw853 tw853@

> > > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopal

points

> > > is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of

validity of KP

> > > principles in this regard.

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when the

differen

> > > ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of

ayanamsa - it

> > > is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for

> > > birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.

> > > > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish

> > > somebody to further examine.

> > > > > rao chitturu.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > tw853 tw853@

> > > > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three

pillars of

> > > KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it

is not

> > > KP whatever one is claiming onself.

> > > > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign.

Pl see

> > > the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is

called.

> > > > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and

> > > nothing to do with KP.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > tw

> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > Msg#16208

> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > Re: Marraige yes or no?

> > > > > Dear Sudharsan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare

extreme

> > > charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference

> > > between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by

> > > choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given

> > > under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and

> > > Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old

and New

> > > KPA.)

> > > > >  http://www.astraura .org

> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> > > Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30

> > > GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41

> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

> > > System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

> > > Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th

> > > cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi

> > > 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge

> > > 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is

> > > from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn

> > > 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07

> > > to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from

> > > 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by

> > > counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is

> > > Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the

house is

> > > the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury

owns 2nd

> > > and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs

> > > Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp

> > > falling, ie. called intercepted

> > > > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of

> > > > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th

> > > cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House

> > > Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same

> > > in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is

> > > located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how

location

> > > of planets can be different depending on the House System used:

> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> > > > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge

> > > 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one

sign Ge,

> > > ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge

> > > 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge

> > > 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th

houes.

> > > All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign

Sg and

> > > its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th

> > > and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ

> > > intercepted in her chart.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear members

> > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8

degrees

> > > and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not

bhava

> > > base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one

sign. It is

> > > given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years

> > > experience.

> > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign

> > > based and not bhava based.

> > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire

> > > tatwa)

> > > > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)

> > > > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

> > > > > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)

> > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK

has used

> > > the Naadi principle in K.P.

> > > > > > ÂÂ

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Dear Tw ji,

 

In my opinion, your point that Equal House division is the same as the one used by Parashara is not correct. As explained in my last email, Parashara used rasi division (not the house division) and bhava madhya chakra. Both of these are different form the Western equal house division.

 

Let me take an example. In the Tony Blair's chart that you have posted, Ascedant is Taurus 4 degree 50 minutes. Mars is at Taurus 3 degree 27 minutes. As per the AstroDatabank chart given by you, Mars has been shown in 12th house. Though as per the Indian rasi chart, as ascendant and Mars are in the same rasi, they will go in the house no. 1.

 

G Dean's definition is correct, but as far as my understanding goes, it is not what is used in Indian astrology. In Indian astrology, the span of first house is not ascendant + 30 degree, but it depends upon the sign. For example, in case of Tony Blair because the Ascendant is Taurus, so the first house as per Indian astrology will be zero degree Taurus to 30 degree Taurus. Whereas in case of Equal house System, the first house will be Taurus 4 degree 50 minutes to Gemini 4 degree 50 minutes.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:41 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit Pandey ji,1. As per G Dean, Equal House, 1st = Asc, all houses 30 deg wide,Preferred by the Indian sage Parasara about 300 BC, hence this systemis probably the oldest of all; Porphyry, 1st = Asc, 10th=MC, rest by

trisection of ecliptic quardrants. (Here emphasis seems 30 deg equaldivision.) 2. Sumeet Chugh says that one of the reasons for Lachman Das Madan'srecord of correct predictions is the importance he gives to Chalit

Chakra (also known as a bhava-chart). Hindu or Vedic system of housedivision is the equal house-division system. (Here also emphasis seems30 deg equal division.) And started calculation from the subtractionof M.C. from ascendant.

3. AstroDatabank's using of Equal House with MC can be found belowand Lois Rodden's opinion is attached. http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm

Thanks and regards,twWhy does AstroDatabank use Equal House when constructing charts fornewsmakers?If you were born way up in Lang, Saskatchewan (Canada) like LoisRodden you too would know from first-hand experience how much more

reasonable a equal house system looks compared to Koch and Placidus.Lois's chart in Placidus has enormous 1st and 7th houses of 58 degreeseach and tiny 4th and 10th house that span only 18 degrees each.

Here is Ms. Rodden's more theoretical view on equal house: " The mostpopular house systems (Placidus, Koch, Porphyry, etc.) accept thatAsc-Dsc axis as the start of the 1st and 7th houses and the MC-IC axis

as the beginning of the 10th and 4th houses. Placidus draws theplanets closer to the Asc-Dsc axis and Koch draws them closer to theMC-IC axis. Their differences come from using different measurementsystems to trisect (cut into three segments) the space in between the

axises. But to " my " mind this measuring of physical characteristics isnot in keeping with the symbolic nature of astrology. " Astrologers everywhere agree that there are 12 signs of 30 degrees

each to make up the zodiac (circle of animals), despite the fact thatthe constellations are not divided into tidy 30-degree segments. If wewant a physical reality and not a symbol system, should we not all bekeeping to the physical divisions in the sky where Virgo spans 12

degrees and Scorpio 45 degrees? Since we accept astrological signs asa symbol system overlaying the physical zodiac, why not accept housesas a symbolic division as well? " The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend it: -

It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completelysymbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas theMC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-pattern.

" Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are anumber of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs. Kochvs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate informationwith house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a matter for

further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays arole in finally resolving the great house system debate. " Lois Rodden

 

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,>

> I don't think that what we use in India can be classified as " EqualHouse> System " . In Equal House System, ascendant is the starting point of first> house and successive house start with the same degree but different

sign.> There is no calculation of MC/10th cusp in Equal House division. In this> division, the house division doesn't not change for people born atsame time> at two different latitudes.>

> In Indian astrology, two divisions are most popular - rasi baseddivision> and bhava madhya chakra. Rasi based division is used in commonlyused lagna> chart/ rashi chart which actually can not be classified as house

division> because there is no house calculation. We put the rasi of ascendantand put> successive rasi number in next houses and place planet accordingly.> > The bhava madhya chakra is calculated using 1st cusp and 10th cusp

position,> Here is ascendant is not the beginning of the house but ratherapproximate> middle of the house. This system is will produce two different house> positions for people born at same time but two different latitudes. This

> system is also called " Sripati House Division " on the name ofmathematician> Sripati. This system is more close to what is known as " Porphyry's House> System " in Western world than the " Equal House System " .

> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> >

> On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:> > > Dear Friend,> >> > 1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If you've doubt,

> > please do some kind of practical researh and let the group know your> > finding.> >> > 2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want to apply> > KP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system.

> >> > 3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and India the> > most popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10% Equal> > House and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and proclaimed by

> > the best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus by ZP> > Dobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean; Recent> > Advances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank website,

> > the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion.> >> > Regards,> >> > tw> >> > <%40>, rao > > chitturu <csr162002@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > > Thanks for clarification.> > > If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express my further

> > doubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal division> > of houses.> > > This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava division - I> > seek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you, Sir. I

> > am not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.> > > rao chitturu.> > >> > >> > > --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > Re:difference is less than ayanamsa....tony blair> > > <%40>

 

> > > Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Friend,

> > >> > > Sorry for a mess up in my response.> > >> > > Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two reasons:> > >> > > 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg and

will be> > > larger in the future.> > >> > > 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps are thesame.> > >> > > Regards,> > >

> > > tw> > >> > > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu <csr162002@ ..>wrote:> > > >> > > > Â

> > > > Sir,> > > > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference betweencuspal> > > points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your message -> > > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,

> > > Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > > >> > > > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House> > > System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ

> > > Ge 17:03:15,> > > > rao chitturu> > > >> > > > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > tw853 tw853@> > > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two cusopalpoints> > > is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of

validity of KP> > > principles in this regard.> > > > Â> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu csr162002@ .>

wrote:> > > > >> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > dear sir,> > > > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when thedifferen> > > ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of

ayanamsa - it> > > is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It hapens for> > > birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.> > > > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i wish

> > > somebody to further examine.> > > > > rao chitturu.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > >

> > > > > tw853 tw853@> > > > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of threepillars of> > > KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it

is not> > > KP whatever one is claiming onself.> > > > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign.Pl see> > > the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is

called.> > > > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and> > > nothing to do with KP.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > tw> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > Msg#16208> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Re: Marraige yes or no?> > > > > Dear Sudharsan ji,> > > > >> > > > > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare

extreme> > > charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference> > > between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by> > > choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given

> > > under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and> > > Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Oldand New> > > KPA.)> > > > >  http://www.astraura .org

> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh,> > > Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32> > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/  18:30> > > GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House

> > > System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp ÂÂ> > > Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th> > > cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi

> > > 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd cusp Ge> > > 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is> > > from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn

> > > 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07> > > to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from> > > 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by

> > > counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is> > > Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of thehouse is> > > the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury

owns 2nd> > > and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs> > > Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp> > > falling, ie. called intercepted

> > > > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of> > > > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th> > > cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House

> > > Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same> > > in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is> > > located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how

location> > > of planets can be different depending on the House System used:> > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> > > > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge> > > 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in onesign Ge,> > > ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge

> > > 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge> > > 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4thhoues.> > > All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign

Sg and> > > its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th> > > and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ> > > intercepted in her chart.> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

<r.dhanabalan@ ...>> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear members> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8

degrees> > > and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and notbhava> > > base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in onesign. It is> > > given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years

> > > experience.> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign> > > based and not bhava based.> > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire> > > tatwa)> > > > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> > > > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

> > > > > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK

has used> > > the Naadi principle in K.P.> > > > > > ÂÂ> > > > > >  Dhanabalan> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under

one roof.> > > Go to http://in.promos. / groups/> > > > >> > > >

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Dear Punit Pandey ji,

 

What Dean honoring sage Parashara is the main idea of 30 deg equal

division irrespective of rasi or bhava or starting point or middle

point. Of course by technical details they are not the same.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> In my opinion, your point that Equal House division is the same as

the one

> used by Parashara is not correct. As explained in my last email,

Parashara

> used rasi division (not the house division) and bhava madhya

chakra. Both of

> these are different form the Western equal house division.

>

> Let me take an example. In the Tony Blair's chart that you have

posted,

> Ascedant is Taurus 4 degree 50 minutes. Mars is at Taurus 3 degree

27

> minutes. As per the AstroDatabank chart given by you, Mars has been

shown in

> 12th house. Though as per the Indian rasi chart, as ascendant and

Mars are

> in the same rasi, they will go in the house no. 1.

>

> G Dean's definition is correct, but as far as my understanding

goes, it is

> not what is used in Indian astrology. In Indian astrology, the span

of first

> house is not ascendant + 30 degree, but it depends upon the sign.

For

> example, in case of Tony Blair because the Ascendant is Taurus, so

the first

> house as per Indian astrology will be zero degree Taurus to 30

degree

> Taurus. Whereas in case of Equal house System, the first house will

be

> Taurus 4 degree 50 minutes to Gemini 4 degree 50 minutes.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:41 AM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

>

> > Dear Punit Pandey ji,

> >

> > 1. As per G Dean, Equal House, 1st = Asc, all houses 30 deg wide,

> > Preferred by the Indian sage Parasara about 300 BC, hence this

system

> > is probably the oldest of all; Porphyry, 1st = Asc, 10th=MC, rest

by

> > trisection of ecliptic quardrants. (Here emphasis seems 30 deg

equal

> > division.)

> >

> > 2. Sumeet Chugh says that one of the reasons for Lachman Das

Madan's

> > record of correct predictions is the importance he gives to Chalit

> > Chakra (also known as a bhava-chart). Hindu or Vedic system of

house

> > division is the equal house-division system. (Here also emphasis

seems

> > 30 deg equal division.) And started calculation from the

subtraction

> > of M.C. from ascendant.

> >

> > 3. AstroDatabank's using of Equal House with MC can be found below

> > and Lois Rodden's opinion is attached.

> >

> > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BlairTony.htm

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> >

> > Why does AstroDatabank use Equal House when constructing charts

for

> > newsmakers?

> >

> > If you were born way up in Lang, Saskatchewan (Canada) like Lois

> > Rodden you too would know from first-hand experience how much more

> > reasonable a equal house system looks compared to Koch and

Placidus.

> > Lois's chart in Placidus has enormous 1st and 7th houses of 58

degrees

> > each and tiny 4th and 10th house that span only 18 degrees each.

> >

> > Here is Ms. Rodden's more theoretical view on equal house: " The

most

> > popular house systems (Placidus, Koch, Porphyry, etc.) accept that

> > Asc-Dsc axis as the start of the 1st and 7th houses and the MC-IC

axis

> > as the beginning of the 10th and 4th houses. Placidus draws the

> > planets closer to the Asc-Dsc axis and Koch draws them closer to

the

> > MC-IC axis. Their differences come from using different

measurement

> > systems to trisect (cut into three segments) the space in between

the

> > axises. But to " my " mind this measuring of physical

characteristics is

> > not in keeping with the symbolic nature of astrology.

> >

> > " Astrologers everywhere agree that there are 12 signs of 30

degrees

> > each to make up the zodiac (circle of animals), despite the fact

that

> > the constellations are not divided into tidy 30-degree segments.

If we

> > want a physical reality and not a symbol system, should we not

all be

> > keeping to the physical divisions in the sky where Virgo spans 12

> > degrees and Scorpio 45 degrees? Since we accept astrological

signs as

> > a symbol system overlaying the physical zodiac, why not accept

houses

> > as a symbolic division as well?

> >

> > " The equal house system has several characteristics to recommend

it: -

> > It does not breakdown at extreme latitudes. - It is completely

> > symbolic. - It gives one an extra element of delineation. Whereas

the

> > MC shows our area of acclaim, the 10th cusp may be read as a life-

pattern.

> >

> > " Furthermore, it has worked best for me in my practice. There are

a

> > number of fine astrologers who have truly researched Placidus vs.

Koch

> > vs. Equal and found Equal to deliver the most accurate information

> > with house rulers and progressed planets. But this is all a

matter for

> > further research. I sincerely hope that AstroDatabank data plays a

> > role in finally resolving the great house system debate. "

> >

> > Lois Rodden

> >

> >

> >

> > <%

40>, " Punit

> > Pandey " <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >

> > > I don't think that what we use in India can be classified

as " Equal

> > House

> > > System " . In Equal House System, ascendant is the starting point

of first

> > > house and successive house start with the same degree but

different

> > sign.

> > > There is no calculation of MC/10th cusp in Equal House

division. In this

> > > division, the house division doesn't not change for people born

at

> > same time

> > > at two different latitudes.

> > >

> > > In Indian astrology, two divisions are most popular - rasi based

> > division

> > > and bhava madhya chakra. Rasi based division is used in commonly

> > used lagna

> > > chart/ rashi chart which actually can not be classified as house

> > division

> > > because there is no house calculation. We put the rasi of

ascendant

> > and put

> > > successive rasi number in next houses and place planet

accordingly.

> > >

> > > The bhava madhya chakra is calculated using 1st cusp and 10th

cusp

> > position,

> > > Here is ascendant is not the beginning of the house but rather

> > approximate

> > > middle of the house. This system is will produce two different

house

> > > positions for people born at same time but two different

latitudes. This

> > > system is also called " Sripati House Division " on the name of

> > mathematician

> > > Sripati. This system is more close to what is known

as " Porphyry's House

> > > System " in Western world than the " Equal House System " .

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:46 AM, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > >

> > > > 1. This is a big issue and I don't intend to discuss. If

you've doubt,

> > > > please do some kind of practical researh and let the group

know your

> > > > finding.

> > > >

> > > > 2. In any game the rules are to be followed and if you want

to apply

> > > > KP, you're supposed to use the Placidus house system.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Relative popularity varies with country. In the UK and

India the

> > > > most popular system is Equal House, in US 80% Placidus, 10%

Equal

> > > > House and 10% others...Equal House has been tested and

proclaimed by

> > > > the best by ME Hone (Modern Text Book of Astrology), Placidus

by ZP

> > > > Dobyns (The Astrologer's Case Book) etc. (Geoffrey Dean;

Recent

> > > > Advances in Natal Astrology) Nowadays in the AstrodataBank

website,

> > > > the charts by Equal House are mostly presented for discussion.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > tw

> > > >

> > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>, rao

> > > > chitturu <csr162002@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > Thanks for clarification.

> > > > > If you permit for academic discussion - i wish to express

my further

> > > > doubt on the system of equal division of houses and unequal

division

> > > > of houses.

> > > > > This is not for KP alone - My doubt is on the bhava

division - I

> > > > seek your clarification - I do not intend to debate with you,

Sir. I

> > > > am not good in astronomy. Kindly clarify.

> > > > > rao chitturu.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sat, 4/10/08, tw853 <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > tw853 <tw853@>

> > > > > Re:difference is less than ayanamsa

> > ....tony blair

> > > > > <%

40><%

> > 40>

> >

> > > > > Saturday, 4 October, 2008, 7:44 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for a mess up in my response.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your idea doesn't make a sense for the following two

reasons:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1) Any ayanamsa started from zero to currenly around 23 deg

and

> > will be

> > > > > larger in the future.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) Whether Sayana or Tropical the distance between cusps

are the

> > same.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > tw

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu

<csr162002@ ..>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > In the chart of Tony Blair given by you the difference

between

> > cuspal

> > > > > points is less than New KPA - Pl.see the extract from your

message -

> > > > > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT),

Edinburgh,

> > > > > Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per

Placidus House

> > > > > System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cuspÂÂ

ÂÂ

> > > > > Ge 17:03:15,

> > > > > > rao chitturu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tw853 tw853@

> > > > > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Thursday, 2 October, 2008, 4:58 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's absolutely impossible the differen ce between two

cusopal

> > points

> > > > > is less than the duration of ayanamsa and no probelem of

> > validity of KP

> > > > > principles in this regard.

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com, rao chitturu

csr162002@ .>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > dear sir,

> > > > > > > KP system is obviously based on NIRAYANA system - when

the

> > differen

> > > > > ce between two cusopal points is less than the duration of

> > ayanamsa - it

> > > > > is a point to think of the validity of KP principles. It

hapens for

> > > > > birth charts at extreem latitudes like the Edinburgh etc.,.

> > > > > > > it may be a limitation for Kp system. i am not sure - i

wish

> > > > > somebody to further examine.

> > > > > > > rao chitturu.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/10/08, tw853 tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tw853 tw853@

> > > > > > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > > Wednesday, 1 October, 2008, 7:45 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three

> > pillars of

> > > > > KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa

system), it

> > is not

> > > > > KP whatever one is claiming onself.

> > > > > > > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or

sign.

> > Pl see

> > > > > the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or

floater is

> > called.

> > > > > > > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about

traditional and

> > > > > nothing to do with KP.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > tw

> > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Msg#16208

> > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Re: Marraige yes or no?

> > > > > > > Dear Sudharsan ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2

rare

> > extreme

> > > > > charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the

difference

> > > > > between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily

calculated by

> > > > > choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free

link given

> > > > > under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old>

and

> > > > > Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to

Old

> > and New

> > > > > KPA.)

> > > > > > >  http://www.astraura .org

> > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT),

Edinburgh,

> > > > > Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32

> > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ ÂÂ

18:30

> > > > > GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta

12:52:41

> > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per

Placidus House

> > > > > System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cuspÂÂ

ÂÂ

> > > > > Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07,  5th

> > > > > cusp  Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi

> > > > > 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from  2nd

cusp Ge

> > > > > 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is

> > > > > from 3rd cusp  Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp  Cn

> > > > > 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp  Cn 02:56:07

> > > > > to  5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from

> > > > > 5th cusp  Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by

> > > > > counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd

houses is

> > > > > Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of

the

> > house is

> > > > > the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and

Mercury

> > owns 2nd

> > > > > and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign.ÂÂ

4 signs

> > > > > Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any

cusp

> > > > > falling, ie. called intercepted

> > > > > > signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of

> > > > > > > these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st &

opposite 7th

> > > > > cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House

> > > > > Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are

the same

> > > > > in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is

> > > > > located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link

how

> > location

> > > > > of planets can be different depending on the House System

used:

> > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm

> > > > > > > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd

cusp Ge

> > > > > 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in

one

> > sign Ge,

> > > > > ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge

> > > > > 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th

cusp Ge

> > > > > 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd

and 4th

> > houes.

> > > > > All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one

sign

> > Sg and

> > > > > its sign lord Jupiter owns all   8th, 9th

> > > > > and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, areÂÂ

> > > > > intercepted in her chart.

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > tw

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R

> > <r.dhanabalan@ ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear members

> > > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0

to 8

> > degrees

> > > > > and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and

not

> > bhava

> > > > > base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one

> > sign. It is

> > > > > given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15

years

> > > > > experience.

> > > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars

dosa on sign

> > > > > based and not bhava based.

> > > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > 1,5,9  Dharma trigon (same starlord and same

fire

> > > > > tatwa)

> > > > > > > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth

tatwa)

> > > > > > > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)

> > > > > > > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water

tatwa)

> > > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based.

Mr.KSK

> > has used

> > > > > the Naadi principle in K.P.

> > > > > > > > ÂÂ

> > > > > > > >  Dhanabalan

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