Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 My one rupee worth..Astro Knowledge is a gift. As Mr.Ramani says, there are thousands of combination's, which a trained astrologer... this is where the computers come into play. For each and every step of combination, there is a basis. Some are pointed out by programs. If things are so easy why to have a person read it?Astrologers have a duty of soothsaying. Not questioning things how and why it happens. Some might work for one, for others it may not.I agree that Shri Krishnamurti used a mix of systems. There are people whom I knew were practisioners of KP System, stopped as they could not confirm any future events. They have reverted back to Vedic and doing OK.When friends and family come to me, I used a mixed approach of Vedic, Astakavarga and KP and do feel that I get a divine guidance to pick certain cases to read. Lots of factors influence.My grandfather was a great Vedic Astro Scholar. What he used to tell was, those who feign in learning astrology, would never learn the secrets. They will not understand and will confuse the others who are interested in it. Those who work in other name, or question with it, will never learn astrology.I do have the quest, but I do talk to many astrologers and dont get many answers to the level I know.But I will never question or ridicule the learning approach of others. I will just be a silent spectator and learn a thing or two. It is always better to understand the failures of certain steps and try to get the right ones! Amma Saranam!RegardsRameshhttp://www.amma.orgRamani <kadavasalramani Sent: Thursday, 2 October, 2008 4:34:56 PMRe: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Drar Members, No doubt that KP system is a mixure of Vedic, Nadi, Western systems; but this system only gives clue to pin point events and many KP Astrologers are successful in correct prediction. Vedic system with several slokas, several combinations, giving various interpreations are only confusing the practioners. It is good that KP stalwarts make researches with as many as 50 or 100 charts for which the events are known to them and to arrive at a satisfactory, authoritative results for each conflicting matter for the benefit of KP followers. Researches made by Dr. K.R.Kar, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar, Mr.Tin Win with co-operation of Dr.Rangarajan, Kanak Bosmia are all note worthy during post KSK (late Guruji) regime. Astrologically yours, K.S.V.Ramani. - Dhanabalan R @gro ups.com Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:50 AM Re: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana Dear Members Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller’s method or Dr.Kar’s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p.. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly. The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic. Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi.. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion. Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: tw853 <tw853 > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana@gro ups.comWednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM Dear Friends, 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself. 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called. 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP. Regards, tw Msg#16208 Re: Marraige yes or no? Dear Sudharsan ji, 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.) http://www.astraura .org Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32 Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used: http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart. Regards, tw@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear members> > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience..> > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based.> > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa)> 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa)> 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa)> 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa)> > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P.> > Dhanabalan> Be the first one to try the new Messenger 9 Beta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Respected Members, Sir, I am only a student in astrology , that too only for the last 7 years, and so I donot consider myself knowledgable enough or mature enough to express any opinion on this subject. I am only expressing what I have understood as a student so far. Astrology may be a science, but certainly not a science like any physical sciences like physics or chemestry in which there are definite rules and if anyone conducts an experiment observing those rules he shall ALWAYS get the SAME results.The rules are concrete and 100% objective.On the other hand astrology is like the game of chess.All the players know all the rules correctly, the board is the same, the pieces are the same , but the depth to which a grand master sees the position on the board makes the difference. This is also a case with astrology.A gifted astrologer will read a horoscope to such a depth that could not be even imagined by ordinary astrologer[like me]. These things exist in all walks of life; all cricketers can not be Sachin Tendulkar, all scientists can not be Einstein, all writers can not be Rabindranath Tagore and all astrologers can not be Krishnamurthi. sk , Ramesh <ram_t_1968 wrote: > > My one rupee worth.. > > Astro Knowledge is a gift. As Mr.Ramani says, there are thousands of combination's, which a trained astrologer... this is where the computers come into play. For each and every step of combination, there is a basis. Some are pointed out by programs. If things are so easy why to have a person read it? > > Astrologers have a duty of soothsaying. Not questioning things how and why it happens. Some might work for one, for others it may not. > > I agree that Shri Krishnamurti used a mix of systems.. There are people whom I knew were practisioners of KP System, stopped as they could not confirm any future events. They have reverted back to Vedic and doing OK. > > When friends and family come to me, I used a mixed approach of Vedic, Astakavarga and KP and do feel that I get a divine guidance to pick certain cases to read. Lots of factors influence. > > My grandfather was a great Vedic Astro Scholar. What he used to tell was, those who feign in learning astrology, would never learn the secrets. They will not understand and will confuse the others who are interested in it. Those who work in other name, or question with it, will never learn astrology. > > I do have the quest, but I do talk to many astrologers and dont get many answers to the level I know. > > But I will never question or ridicule the learning approach of others. I will just be a silent spectator and learn a thing or two. It is always better to understand the failures of certain steps and try to get the right ones! > > Amma Saranam! > > Regards > Ramesh > http://www.amma.org > > > > > Ramani <kadavasalramani > > Thursday, 2 October, 2008 4:34:56 PM > Re: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana > > > Drar Members, > > No doubt that KP system is a mixure of Vedic, Nadi, > Western systems; but this system only gives clue to pin point events and many KP > Astrologers are successful in > correct prediction. Vedic system with several > slokas, several combinations, giving various interpreations are only confusing > the practioners. It is good that KP stalwarts make > researches with as many as 50 or 100 charts for > which the > events are known to them and to arrive at a > satisfactory, authoritative results for each conflicting matter for the > benefit of KP followers. Researches made by > Dr. K.R.Kar, Mr.Sunil Gondhalekar, Mr.Tin Win > with co-operation of Dr.Rangarajan, Kanak Bosmia are all note worthy during post KSK (late Guruji) regime. > > Astrologically yours, > > K.S.V.Ramani. > - > Dhanabalan R > @gro ups.com > Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:50 AM > Re: Re: How to read bhadaka sthana > > Dear Members > Whatever may be the method, we are interested in results. Pure k.p. is not giving the results is the fact. If it gives the results then there is no necessity to go for 4 step method or cuspal interlink method or Mr.Khuller’s method or Dr.Kar’s method. Mr.Mohankumar also said that he developed a new system which would be released soon. So we are analyzing the k.p. system in this group for improvement. Just because Mr.KSK has followed some method, there is no necessity to follow that system which is not giving results to us. Or in otherwise, we have understood the k.p. system wrongly. > The foundation for k.p. is vedic. K.P. cannot overrule the vedic. > Badhaka sthana is vedic. Vimsothari is vedic. All karakas are from vedic. Nirayan system is vedic. The trigons are from Naadi. Placidus system with bhava begin is western. Mixing the vedic with western leads all this confusion. > Dhanabalan > > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, tw853 <tw853 > wrote: > > tw853 <tw853 > > Re: How to read bhadaka sthana > @gro ups.com > Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 2:15 PM > > > Dear Friends, > 1. Without using the Placidus house system (one of three pillars of KP; other two are Hindu zodiac and Vimshottari dasa system), it is not KP whatever one is claiming onself. > 2. Not only two, even three cusps can be in a Rasi or sign. Pl see the charts below and that is why intercepted sign or floater is called. > 3. Whatever explained about Mars Dosha is about traditional and nothing to do with KP. > Regards, > tw > > Msg#16208 > > Re: Marraige yes or no? > Dear Sudharsan ji, > 1. If you calculate the KP charts for the following 2 rare extreme charts (TOB AA <BC/BR> rated), you will clearly see the difference between the cusps and houses. (KP charts can be easily calculated by choosing Cast your Hindu Vedic Horoscope at the free link given under, without touching any option, ie. KP Ayanamsa <Old> and Geographic. There will be a slight difference esp. due to Old and New KPA.) > http://www.astraura .org > > Tony Blair, May 06, 1953, 06:10 AM DST (05:10 GMT), Edinburgh, Scotland, 55N57, 03W13, New KPA 23:06:56, Asc Ta 11:43:32 > > Greta Garbo, Sept 18, 1905, 19:30 PM (+1 TZ/ 18:30 GMT), Stockolm, Sweden, 59N20, 18E03, NKPA 22:27:03, Asc Ta 12:52:41 > 2. The 12 cusps positions are calculated as per Placidus House System. In Blair's chart, 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20, 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, (no cusp falls in Leo.) 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc. The range of 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:51:20 to 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15, 3rd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 17:03:15 to 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07, 4th house from 4th cusp Cn 02:56:07 to 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58, 5th house from 5th cusp Cn 24:20:58 to 6th cusp Vi 03:10:15 etc, by counting from a cusp to the next cusp. Lord of 2nd and 3rd houses is Mercury, lord of 4th and 5th houses is Moon ie. the lord of the house is the sign lord where the cusp concerned is located and Mercury owns 2nd and 3rd because 2nd and 3rd cusps falls in Mercury sign. 4 signs Le & opposite Aq and Li & opposite Pi are empty without any cusp falling, ie. called intercepted signs by all (or floaters by Westerners), and lords of these empty > signs do not own any house. Only 1st & opposite 7th cusps are the same in Placidus, Equal and Koch House Systems, and in addition 4th & opposite 10th cusps are the same in Placidus and Koch House Systems. Ket Cn 14:19:59 is located in 4th house. It can be seen at the following link how location of planets can be different depending on the House System used: > http://www.astrodat abank.com/ NM/BlairTony. htm > 3. In the Greta Garbo's chart, all three cusps: 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47, 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17 are in one sign Ge, ie. 2nd house is from 2nd cusp Ge 01:42:47 to 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03, 3nd house is from 3rd cusp Ge 14:55:03 to 4th cusp Ge 28:24:17, etc and Ge sign lord Mercury owns all 2nd, 3rd and 4th houes. All opposite three cups: 8th, 9th and 10th cusps are in one sign Sg and its sign lord Jupiter owns all 8th, 9th and 10th houses. Four signs, Vi, Li, Pi, Ar, are intercepted in her chart. > Regards, > tw > > > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear members > > > > The bhadaka sthana for any ascendant falls between 0 to 8 degrees and 22 to 30 degrees has to be calculated for sign base and not bhava base. Since there is a possibility of two cusps fall in one sign. It is given by a k.p. astrologer and teacher having more than 15 years experience. > > > > Mr.KSK has counted 2,4,7,8 and 12 houses for Mars dosa on sign based and not bhava based. > > > > 1,5,9 Dharma trigon (same starlord and same fire tatwa) > > 2,6,10 Material trigon(same starlord and same earth tatwa) > > 3,7,11 Kama trigon(same starlord and same air tatwa) > > 4,8,12 Moksa trigon(same starlord and same water tatwa) > > > > > > Trigons are Naadi principle. Naadi is sign based. Mr.KSK has used the Naadi principle in K.P. > > > > Dhanabalan > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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