Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Good song .Keep singing for good... -gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this thread, I will let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > Sayonara! > > RR_, > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it easy RR > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > -gopi. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been very > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and jataks > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes over... > > ;-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are rooted > > in > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by practice) i > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining.. > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna in > > MT in > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari yoga > > and > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in Navamsa > > which > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for > > your > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > -gopi. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send me a > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows > > about > > > > or > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled > > Knowledge > > > > -- > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own language(way).Probably > > the > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are asking > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and > > entities, > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate entities). > > > > Without > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of all > > the > > > > Great > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the Human > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and spiritualism > > > > etc), > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to > > describe > > > > the > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not > > > > worldly! > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get > > these > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn on > > the > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and > > > > microsoft > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very instant, > > and > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages and > > so > > > > on > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to do > > > > grocery > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare for > > work > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be able > > to > > > > pay > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really knows > > about > > > > or > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled > > Knowledge > > > > -- > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not tolerate > > > > waste > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not have > > > > evolved > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is its > > > > purpose > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind to > > see. > > > > It is > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. As > > far > > > > as > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : A > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi Ramana's > > > > mind > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND). > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye? > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND... > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also half > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by > > > > responding > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise restraint > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own given > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. !!!You > > may > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. ..like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am > > surprised > > > > that > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of body, > > mind > > > > and > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " > > mindset > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing information > > cards > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' and > > this > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates > > > > problems > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is doing > > and > > > > it > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at > > times > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by suggesting > > that > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was floated by > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not care > > much > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in > > Autobiography > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer in > > > > astrology > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an > > astrological > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong > > birthdata > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because > > that > > > > would > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been > > kept > > > > secret > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not float a > > fake > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing to > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with > > > > superficially- > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone read > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he presented > > his > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of > > ayanamsha > > > > for > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at best > > > > since > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar believes > > in > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and brought > > out > > > > C=It > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, one > > > > disciple > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an > > astrologer > > > > and > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya da ya > > da! > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his > > special > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of hide > > and > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it canned > > if it > > > > is > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not know > > about > > > > it! > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a > > mockery > > > > of > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and > > Gretel > > > > and > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value given > > in > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 seconds, > > you > > > > will > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that the > > 1894 > > > > value > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who was > > born > > > > in > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once can > > > > safely > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas that > > he > > > > was > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as a > > gift > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he was > > > > using > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was not > > > > needed, > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this personally > > or > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse > > does > > > > not > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family in > > a > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals > > was > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to > > those > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and extravaganza > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for makar > > lagna > > > > but > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple reason > > > > that > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data we > > can > > > > not > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa > > yogananda's > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. After > > > > being a > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to me > > and i > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from GURU > > is > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince anybody > > > > just > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this lagna > > or > > > > that > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE WHAT > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's > > death,his > > > > 9thH > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka with > > a > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign wth > > a > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd from > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar > > Lagna > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others to > > > > follow > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 > > degree, > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to 12'th > > > > house, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common sign > > also > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am > > 57yrs > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my > > life/death.I > > > > am > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true birth > > time > > > > and > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 degree, > > if > > > > you > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to > > 12'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of death, 4 > > > > july > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord Saturn > > was > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was > > transiting > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with his > > 7'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon was > > in > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to > > leave > > > > this > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ vivekananda% > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a belief > > that > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd need > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A > > Comparative > > > > Study > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great mother > > of > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in > > this > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and dedicate > > this > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan > > > > Singh > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he > > learnt > > > > water > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and seen > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself was a > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a scholar of > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in the > > name > > > > of > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates that in > > the > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no > > birth > > > > time > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was born on > > 12 > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was > > celebrated > > > > in > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire > > account > > > > of > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other Dhanu > > Lagna > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for the > > first > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani > > Sangrah " > > > > gave > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning source > > how > > > > he > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started circulating > > after > > > > that > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both the > > > > charts > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar > > Lagna > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at > > noon, > > > > Now, > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a > > question > > > > that > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of > > Swami > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It could > > be > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no > > > > information > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without Birth > > Time, > > > > He > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in his > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with > > Makar > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla > > Pally, > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve > > of > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His father > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was > > considered > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social and > > > > religious > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give her > > a > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur lagna > > > > chart > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and Extravaganza > > : > > > > Father > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable > > prperty > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur lagna > > chart > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun > > in > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family > > in a > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day meals > > was > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to > > those > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can any > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > extravaganza > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get > > Sun in > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his > > extravaganza > > > > as > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : With > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which is > > 8'th > > > > from > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having such > > a > > > > superb > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on > > child, > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even > > though > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get > > 4'th > > > > lord > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's > > aspect > > > > from > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of swami > > ji's > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister > > died > > > > in a > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, there > > is > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find > > > > Saturn > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th house, > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to > > siblings, > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for > > sister's > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives > > Mars's > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in 9'th > > > > house, > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died early, > > > > There > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th > > aspected > > > > by > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna chart > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, > > you > > > > get > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect from > > > > 11'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask > > yourself, > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least > > > > mathematics > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, > > literature, > > > > and > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, > > both > > > > vocal > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training under > > two > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give education > > and > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified Swami > > Ji's > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus > > the > > > > 5'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in > > lagna, > > > > this > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu > > lagna, > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on > > 4'th, > > > > 5'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a > > vargottama > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup is > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved to > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in > > sports > > > > and > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, > > further, > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, > > long > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's > > seen > > > > by > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji > > is, > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual > > Mythology) > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th and > > 9'th > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord rather, > > in > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for > > insatiable > > > > lust > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th > > lord > > > > Venus > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of the > > rare > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's > > > > placement > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no > > significant > > > > role > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take one > > into > > > > maya > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, > > you > > > > get > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka > > with > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also > > giving > > > > him > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an > > expression. > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has > > > > happened > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, Jup > > the > > > > 3rd > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, because > > of > > > > Jup's > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator of > > > > modern > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world tour to > > > > spread > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds > > no > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna > > chart, It > > > > was > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, when > > Guru > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in Rahu's > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu > > Lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, > > Swami > > > > ji's > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami > > Ji's > > > > life. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury is > > gone > > > > to > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, > > morever, > > > > this > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires > > (Kamana). > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of polygamy > > in > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's > > ability > > > > to > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon, > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination > > > > occurs > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has made > > him a > > > > son > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : > > Can > > > > you > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, is it > > a > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, > > what > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's > > 7'th > > > > and > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this combination > > > > makes > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, should > > he > > > > be > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This underlines a > > big > > > > n > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who > > declare > > > > Swami > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any considerable > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you ever > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is > > renunciation > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu > > in > > > > 5'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, Ketu as > > > > well as > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of > > Kundalini > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th house > > and > > > > has > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's interchange > > in > > > > 9'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward and > > w'd > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, perhapse > > > > that > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary > > which > > > > falls > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was given the gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual ambitions! WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention and learning -- ;-) Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did compassion die? And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual elevation publicly confessed ...?? Rohiniranjan , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > -gopi. > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this thread, I will > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > Sayonara! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it easy > RR > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > -gopi. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been very > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and > jataks > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes > over... > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are > rooted > > > in > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by > practice) i > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining.. > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna > in > > > MT in > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari > yoga > > > and > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in > Navamsa > > > which > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for > > > your > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send > me a > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really > knows > > > about > > > > > or > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled > > > Knowledge > > > > > -- > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > language(way).Probably > > > the > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are > asking > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and > > > entities, > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate > entities). > > > > > Without > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of > all > > > the > > > > > Great > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the > Human > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and > spiritualism > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to > > > describe > > > > > the > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get > > > these > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn > on > > > the > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very > instant, > > > and > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages > and > > > so > > > > > on > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to > do > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare > for > > > work > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be > able > > > to > > > > > pay > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really > knows > > > about > > > > > or > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled > > > Knowledge > > > > > -- > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not > tolerate > > > > > waste > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not > have > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is > its > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind > to > > > see. > > > > > It is > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. > As > > > far > > > > > as > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : > A > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi > Ramana's > > > > > mind > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND). > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye? > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > , > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also > half > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise > restraint > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own > given > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. > !!!You > > > may > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am > > > surprised > > > > > that > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of > body, > > > mind > > > > > and > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " > > > mindset > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing > information > > > cards > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' > and > > > this > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates > > > > > problems > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is > doing > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at > > > times > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by > suggesting > > > that > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was > floated by > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not > care > > > much > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in > > > Autobiography > > > > > of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer > in > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong > > > birthdata > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because > > > that > > > > > would > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been > > > kept > > > > > secret > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not > float a > > > fake > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing > to > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone > read > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he > presented > > > his > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of > > > ayanamsha > > > > > for > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at > best > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar > believes > > > in > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and > brought > > > out > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, > one > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an > > > astrologer > > > > > and > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya > da ya > > > da! > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his > > > special > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of > hide > > > and > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it > canned > > > if it > > > > > is > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not > know > > > about > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a > > > mockery > > > > > of > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and > > > Gretel > > > > > and > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value > given > > > in > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 > seconds, > > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that > the > > > 1894 > > > > > value > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who > was > > > born > > > > > in > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once > can > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas > that > > > he > > > > > was > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as > a > > > gift > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he > was > > > > > using > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was > not > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this > personally > > > or > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family > in > > > a > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day > meals > > > was > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to > > > those > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can > any > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > extravaganza > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for > makar > > > lagna > > > > > but > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple > reason > > > > > that > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data > we > > > can > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa > > > yogananda's > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. > After > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to > me > > > and i > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from > GURU > > > is > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince > anybody > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this > lagna > > > or > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE > WHAT > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's > > > death,his > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka > with > > > a > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign > wth > > > a > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd > from > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar > > > Lagna > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others > to > > > > > follow > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 > > > degree, > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to > 12'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common > sign > > > also > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am > > > 57yrs > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my > > > life/death.I > > > > > am > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true > birth > > > time > > > > > and > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 > degree, > > > if > > > > > you > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to > > > 12'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of > death, 4 > > > > > july > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord > Saturn > > > was > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was > > > transiting > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with > his > > > 7'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon > was > > > in > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to > > > leave > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > vivekananda% > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > vivekananda% > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a > belief > > > that > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd > need > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A > > > Comparative > > > > > Study > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great > mother > > > of > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in > > > this > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and > dedicate > > > this > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu > DevakiNandan > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he > > > learnt > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and > seen > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself > was a > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a > scholar of > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in > the > > > name > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates > that in > > > the > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no > > > birth > > > > > time > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was > born on > > > 12 > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was > > > celebrated > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire > > > account > > > > > of > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other > Dhanu > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for > the > > > first > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani > > > Sangrah " > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning > source > > > how > > > > > he > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started > circulating > > > after > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both > the > > > > > charts > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar > > > Lagna > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at > > > noon, > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a > > > question > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of > > > Swami > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It > could > > > be > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no > > > > > information > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without > Birth > > > Time, > > > > > He > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in > his > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with > > > Makar > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla > > > Pally, > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the > eve > > > of > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His > father > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was > > > considered > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social > and > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give > her > > > a > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur > lagna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and > Extravaganza > > > : > > > > > Father > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable > > > prperty > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur > lagna > > > chart > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb > Sun > > > in > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire > family > > > in a > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day > meals > > > was > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question > to > > > those > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can > any > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > > extravaganza > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you > get > > > Sun in > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his > > > extravaganza > > > > > as > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : > With > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which > is > > > 8'th > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having > such > > > a > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on > > > child, > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even > > > though > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you > get > > > 4'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's > > > aspect > > > > > from > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of > swami > > > ji's > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's > sister > > > died > > > > > in a > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, > there > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you > find > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th > house, > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to > > > siblings, > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for > > > sister's > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives > > > Mars's > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in > 9'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died > early, > > > > > There > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th > > > aspected > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna > chart > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect > from > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask > > > yourself, > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated > in > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, > > > literature, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, > > > both > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training > under > > > two > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give > education > > > and > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified > Swami > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, > Venus > > > the > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in > > > lagna, > > > > > this > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu > > > lagna, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on > > > 4'th, > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a > > > vargottama > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup > is > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved > to > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in > > > sports > > > > > and > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes > one > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, > > > further, > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly > indicating, > > > long > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : > It's > > > seen > > > > > by > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami > Ji > > > is, > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th > and > > > 9'th > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord > rather, > > > in > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for > > > insatiable > > > > > lust > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, > 5'th > > > lord > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of > the > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th > lord's > > > > > placement > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no > > > significant > > > > > role > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take > one > > > into > > > > > maya > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra > sadhaka > > > with > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also > > > giving > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an > > > expression. > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This > has > > > > > happened > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, > Jup > > > the > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, > because > > > of > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator > of > > > > > modern > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world > tour to > > > > > spread > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology > finds > > > no > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna > > > chart, It > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, > when > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in > Rahu's > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu > > > Lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, > > > Swami > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami > > > Ji's > > > > > life. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury > is > > > gone > > > > > to > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, > > > morever, > > > > > this > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires > > > (Kamana). > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of > polygamy > > > in > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's > > > ability > > > > > to > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord > moon, > > > who > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this > combination > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has > made > > > him a > > > > > son > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation > : > > > Can > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, > is it > > > a > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, > > > what > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji > get's > > > 7'th > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this > combination > > > > > makes > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in > libra > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, > should > > > he > > > > > be > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This > underlines a > > > big > > > > > n > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who > > > declare > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any > considerable > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you > ever > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is > > > renunciation > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the > Ketu > > > in > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, > Ketu as > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of > > > Kundalini > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th > house > > > and > > > > > has > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's > interchange > > > in > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward > and > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, > perhapse > > > > > that > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary > > > which > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath aswell!!!....... -gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was given the gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual ambitions! > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention and learning -- ;-) > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did compassion die? And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual elevation publicly confessed ...?? > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > -gopi. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this thread, I will > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it easy > > RR > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been very > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and > > jataks > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes > > over... > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices are > > rooted > > > > in > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by > > practice) i > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining.. > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in lagna > > in > > > > MT in > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari > > yoga > > > > and > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in > > Navamsa > > > > which > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance for > > > > your > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do send > > me a > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really > > knows > > > > about > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > language(way).Probably > > > > the > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are > > asking > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels and > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate > > entities). > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words of > > all > > > > the > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of the > > Human > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and > > spiritualism > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited to > > > > describe > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and not > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to get > > > > these > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to turn > > on > > > > the > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software and > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very > > instant, > > > > and > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our messages > > and > > > > so > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body to > > do > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and prepare > > for > > > > work > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to be > > able > > > > to > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's piano > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really > > knows > > > > about > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and Channeled > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not > > tolerate > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would not > > have > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What is > > its > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need mind > > to > > > > see. > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind sees. > > As > > > > far > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's Chart : > > A > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi > > Ramana's > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE MIND). > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual eye? > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through which IT > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also > > half > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly by > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise > > restraint > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it seems! > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own > > given > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not been)responding. > > !!!You > > > > may > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I am > > > > surprised > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of > > body, > > > > mind > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil Servant " > > > > mindset > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing > > information > > > > cards > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their 'trump-card' > > and > > > > this > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often creates > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand is > > doing > > > > and > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their Masters at > > > > times > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by > > suggesting > > > > that > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was > > floated by > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did not > > care > > > > much > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm believer > > in > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the wrong > > > > birthdata > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, because > > > > that > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have been > > > > kept > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not > > float a > > > > fake > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU thing > > to > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! Someone > > read > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he > > presented > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value at > > best > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar > > believes > > > > in > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and > > brought > > > > out > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is Raman > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to light, > > one > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an > > > > astrologer > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di ya > > da ya > > > > da! > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with his > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind of > > hide > > > > and > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it > > canned > > > > if it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must not > > know > > > > about > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and making a > > > > mockery > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel and > > > > Gretel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 value > > given > > > > in > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 > > seconds, > > > > you > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting that > > the > > > > 1894 > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman who > > was > > > > born > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. Once > > can > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the Panjikas > > that > > > > he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the ayanamsha as > > a > > > > gift > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles that he > > was > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision was > > not > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per year, I > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this > > personally > > > > or > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is eclipse > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire family > > in > > > > a > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day > > meals > > > > was > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question to > > > > those > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can > > any > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > extravaganza > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for > > makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the simple > > reason > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth data > > we > > > > can > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent astrologers. > > After > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed to > > me > > > > and i > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission from > > GURU > > > > is > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince > > anybody > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove this > > lagna > > > > or > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE > > WHAT > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s father's > > > > death,his > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of maraka > > with > > > > a > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's sign > > wth > > > > a > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka 2nd > > from > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to Makar > > > > Lagna > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish others > > to > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 > > > > degree, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to > > 12'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in common > > sign > > > > also > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and i am > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true > > birth > > > > time > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 > > degree, > > > > if > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes to > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of > > death, 4 > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord > > Saturn > > > > was > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction with > > his > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord moon > > was > > > > in > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his mind to > > > > leave > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > vivekananda% > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a > > belief > > > > that > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity w'd > > need > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A > > > > Comparative > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great > > mother > > > > of > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to analyse in > > > > this > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and > > dedicate > > > > this > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that he > > > > learnt > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and > > seen > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan himself > > was a > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a > > scholar of > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices in > > the > > > > name > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates > > that in > > > > the > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close friends, no > > > > birth > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was > > born on > > > > 12 > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was > > > > celebrated > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives entire > > > > account > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other > > Dhanu > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that for > > the > > > > first > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book " Jeevani > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning > > source > > > > how > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started > > circulating > > > > after > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate both > > the > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, Makar > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara at > > > > noon, > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, a > > > > question > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time of > > > > Swami > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that It > > could > > > > be > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had no > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without > > Birth > > > > Time, > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along with > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali also in > > his > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope with > > > > Makar > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during the > > eve > > > > of > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His > > father > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was > > > > considered > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in social > > and > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give > > her > > > > a > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of Dhanur > > lagna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and > > Extravaganza > > > > : > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even immovable > > > > prperty > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur > > lagna > > > > chart > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a superb > > Sun > > > > in > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire > > family > > > > in a > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day > > meals > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open question > > to > > > > those > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? Can > > any > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you > > get > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : > > With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to Saturn's > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, which > > is > > > > 8'th > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for having > > such > > > > a > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence on > > > > child, > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house even > > > > though > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you > > get > > > > 4'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives Jup's > > > > aspect > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities of > > swami > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's > > sister > > > > died > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna chart, > > there > > > > is > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you > > find > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th > > house, > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for > > > > sister's > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup receives > > > > Mars's > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed in > > 9'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters died > > early, > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in 9'th > > > > aspected > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu lagna > > chart > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's aspect > > from > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, ask > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at least > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated > > in > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, > > > > literature, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical music, > > > > both > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training > > under > > > > two > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give > > education > > > > and > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer justified > > Swami > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, > > Venus > > > > the > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc in > > > > lagna, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu > > > > lagna, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for sports on > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get a > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house Jup > > is > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is moved > > to > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good in > > > > sports > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes > > one > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness too, > > > > further, > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly > > indicating, > > > > long > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : > > It's > > > > seen > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami > > Ji > > > > is, > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian Spiritual > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between 5'th > > and > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord > > rather, > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding to > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for > > > > insatiable > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, > > 5'th > > > > lord > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest of > > the > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th > > lord's > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and Guru's > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it an > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no > > > > significant > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to take > > one > > > > into > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to overcome > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra > > sadhaka > > > > with > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and also > > > > giving > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This > > has > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in 12'th, > > Jup > > > > the > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, > > because > > > > of > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest orator > > of > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world > > tour to > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology > > finds > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar lagna > > > > chart, It > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th house, > > when > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in > > Rahu's > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple marriages, > > > > Swami > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and Swami > > > > Ji's > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury > > is > > > > gone > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple women, > > > > morever, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of > > polygamy > > > > in > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in astrologer's > > > > ability > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord > > moon, > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this > > combination > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has > > made > > > > him a > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation > > : > > > > Can > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, > > is it > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or renunciation, > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji > > get's > > > > 7'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this > > combination > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is in > > libra > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, > > should > > > > he > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This > > underlines a > > > > big > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers who > > > > declare > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any > > considerable > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have you > > ever > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the > > Ketu > > > > in > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, > > Ketu as > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire of > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite his > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th > > house > > > > and > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's > > interchange > > > > in > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come forward > > and > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, > > perhapse > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth anniversary > > > > which > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER CASE and to feel comfortable with that! You took the very important first step! Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just as your GURUJI told... There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! Rohiniranjan , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath aswell!!!....... > -gopi. > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was given the > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual ambitions! > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention and > learning -- ;-) > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did compassion die? > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual elevation > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > -gopi. > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this thread, I > will > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it > easy > > > RR > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been > very > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and > > > jataks > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes > > > over... > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices > are > > > rooted > > > > > in > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by > > > practice) i > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining.. > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in > lagna > > > in > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari > > > yoga > > > > > and > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in > > > Navamsa > > > > > which > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance > for > > > > > your > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do > send > > > me a > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really > > > knows > > > > > about > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > Channeled > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are > > > asking > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels > and > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate > > > entities). > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words > of > > > all > > > > > the > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of > the > > > Human > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited > to > > > > > describe > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and > not > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to > get > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to > turn > > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software > and > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very > > > instant, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our > messages > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body > to > > > do > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and > prepare > > > for > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to > be > > > able > > > > > to > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's > piano > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really > > > knows > > > > > about > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > Channeled > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not > > > tolerate > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would > not > > > have > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What > is > > > its > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need > mind > > > to > > > > > see. > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind > sees. > > > As > > > > > far > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's > Chart : > > > A > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > , > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through > which IT > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also > > > half > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly > by > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise > > > restraint > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it > seems! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own > > > given > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > been)responding. > > > !!!You > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I > am > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of > > > body, > > > > > mind > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil > Servant " > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing > > > information > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > 'trump-card' > > > and > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often > creates > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand > is > > > doing > > > > > and > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their > Masters at > > > > > times > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by > > > suggesting > > > > > that > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did > not > > > care > > > > > much > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm > believer > > > in > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the > wrong > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, > because > > > > > that > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have > been > > > > > kept > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not > > > float a > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU > thing > > > to > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! > Someone > > > read > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he > > > presented > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value > at > > > best > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar > > > believes > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and > > > brought > > > > > out > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is > Raman > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to > light, > > > one > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di > ya > > > da ya > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with > his > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind > of > > > hide > > > > > and > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it > > > canned > > > > > if it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must > not > > > know > > > > > about > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and > making a > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel > and > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 > value > > > given > > > > > in > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 > > > seconds, > > > > > you > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting > that > > > the > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman > who > > > was > > > > > born > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. > Once > > > can > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > Panjikas > > > that > > > > > he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > ayanamsha as > > > a > > > > > gift > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles > that he > > > was > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision > was > > > not > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per > year, I > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this > > > personally > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is > eclipse > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire > family > > > in > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day > > > meals > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > question to > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? > Can > > > any > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for > > > makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the > simple > > > reason > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth > data > > > we > > > > > can > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > astrologers. > > > After > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed > to > > > me > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission > from > > > GURU > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince > > > anybody > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove > this > > > lagna > > > > > or > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > father's > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of > maraka > > > with > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's > sign > > > wth > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka > 2nd > > > from > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to > Makar > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish > others > > > to > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls > around 1 > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes > to > > > 12'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in > common > > > sign > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and > i am > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true > > > birth > > > > > time > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 > > > degree, > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun > goes to > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord > > > Saturn > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction > with > > > his > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord > moon > > > was > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his > mind to > > > > > leave > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a > > > belief > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity > w'd > > > need > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great > > > mother > > > > > of > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to > analyse in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and > > > dedicate > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for > the > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that > he > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and > > > seen > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan > himself > > > was a > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices > in > > > the > > > > > name > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates > > > that in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > friends, no > > > > > birth > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was > > > born on > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives > entire > > > > > account > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other > > > Dhanu > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that > for > > > the > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > " Jeevani > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning > > > source > > > > > how > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started > > > circulating > > > > > after > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate > both > > > the > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, > Makar > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara > at > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, > a > > > > > question > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time > of > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that > It > > > could > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had > no > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without > > > Birth > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along > with > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali > also in > > > his > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope > with > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in > Shimla > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during > the > > > eve > > > > > of > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His > > > father > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in > social > > > and > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and > had > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to > give > > > her > > > > > a > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of > Dhanur > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and > > > Extravaganza > > > > > : > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > immovable > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur > > > lagna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a > superb > > > Sun > > > > > in > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire > > > family > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to > day > > > meals > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > question > > > to > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? > Can > > > any > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, > you > > > get > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and > persona : > > > With > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > Saturn's > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, > which > > > is > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for > having > > > such > > > > > a > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence > on > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house > even > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, > you > > > get > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives > Jup's > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities > of > > > swami > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's > > > sister > > > > > died > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna > chart, > > > there > > > > > is > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, > you > > > find > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th > > > house, > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup > receives > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed > in > > > 9'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters > died > > > early, > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in > 9'th > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu > lagna > > > chart > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's > aspect > > > from > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, > ask > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at > least > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji > graduated > > > in > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical > music, > > > > > both > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training > > > under > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give > > > education > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > justified > > > Swami > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, > > > Venus > > > > > the > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc > in > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With > Dhanu > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for > sports on > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get > a > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house > Jup > > > is > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is > moved > > > to > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good > in > > > > > sports > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though > makes > > > one > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness > too, > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly > > > indicating, > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya > : > > > It's > > > > > seen > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that > Swami > > > Ji > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > Spiritual > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between > 5'th > > > and > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord > > > rather, > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding > to > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, > > > 5'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest > of > > > the > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th > > > lord's > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and > Guru's > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it > an > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no > > > > > significant > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to > take > > > one > > > > > into > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > overcome > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra > > > sadhaka > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and > also > > > > > giving > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : > This > > > has > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in > 12'th, > > > Jup > > > > > the > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, > > > because > > > > > of > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest > orator > > > of > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world > > > tour to > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > astrology > > > finds > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th > house, > > > when > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With > Dhanu > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > marriages, > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and > Swami > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord > mercury > > > is > > > > > gone > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple > women, > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of > > > polygamy > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > astrologer's > > > > > ability > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look > at > > > Makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th > lord > > > moon, > > > > > who > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this > > > combination > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has > > > made > > > > > him a > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > Renunciation > > > : > > > > > Can > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd > house, > > > is it > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > renunciation, > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji > > > get's > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this > > > combination > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is > in > > > libra > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, > > > should > > > > > he > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This > > > underlines a > > > > > big > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers > who > > > > > declare > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have > you > > > ever > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, > the > > > Ketu > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire > of > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite > his > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th > > > house > > > > > and > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's > > > interchange > > > > > in > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come > forward > > > and > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami Ji, > > > perhapse > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth > anniversary > > > > > which > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > have > > > been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Enter February,re enter Gopi. //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just as your GURUJI told...// you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and where he said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this is recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the chains of bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa Yogananda -gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER CASE and to feel comfortable with that! > > You took the very important first step! > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just as your GURUJI told... > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath aswell!!!....... > > -gopi. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was given the > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual ambitions! > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention and > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did compassion die? > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual elevation > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > -gopi. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this thread, I > > will > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take it > > easy > > > > RR > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have been > > very > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis and > > > > jataks > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE takes > > > > over... > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic practices > > are > > > > rooted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining.. > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted in > > lagna > > > > in > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa karari > > > > yoga > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. in > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a chance > > for > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please do > > send > > > > me a > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one really > > > > knows > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > Channeled > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you are > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' labels > > and > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so neatly > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary (separate > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the words > > of > > > > all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding of > > the > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best suited > > to > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized and > > not > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum and > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order to > > get > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers to > > turn > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus software > > and > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the very > > > > instant, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our > > messages > > > > and > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant body > > to > > > > do > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and > > prepare > > > > for > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all do to > > be > > > > able > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's > > piano > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one really > > > > knows > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > Channeled > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does not > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it would > > not > > > > have > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? What > > is > > > > its > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not need > > mind > > > > to > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what mind > > sees. > > > > As > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's > > Chart : > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even Maharshi > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY THE > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even spiritual > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through > > which IT > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and also > > > > half > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- publicly > > by > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could exercise > > > > restraint > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it > > seems! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your own > > > > given > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > been)responding. > > > > !!!You > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but I > > am > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and purification of > > > > body, > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil > > Servant " > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing > > > > information > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > > 'trump-card' > > > > and > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often > > creates > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left hand > > is > > > > doing > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their > > Masters at > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by > > > > suggesting > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that was > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself did > > not > > > > care > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted in > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm > > believer > > > > in > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for an > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the > > wrong > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, > > because > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should have > > been > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to not > > > > float a > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU > > thing > > > > to > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN with > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! > > Someone > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he > > > > presented > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value of > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate value > > at > > > > best > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated A=Yukteshwar > > > > believes > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha and > > > > brought > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this is > > Raman > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to > > light, > > > > one > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was an > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya di > > ya > > > > da ya > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished with > > his > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this kind > > of > > > > hide > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep it > > > > canned > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed must > > not > > > > know > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and > > making a > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of Hansel > > and > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 > > value > > > > given > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of 50.333 > > > > seconds, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting > > that > > > > the > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV Raman > > who > > > > was > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy Science > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the ayanamsha. > > Once > > > > can > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > > Panjikas > > > > that > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > > ayanamsha as > > > > a > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles > > that he > > > > was > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much precision > > was > > > > not > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per > > year, I > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take this > > > > personally > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is > > eclipse > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire > > family > > > > in > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to day > > > > meals > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > question to > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? > > Can > > > > any > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons for > > > > makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the > > simple > > > > reason > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic birth > > data > > > > we > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree Paramahansa > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > > astrologers. > > > > After > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was revealed > > to > > > > me > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the permission > > from > > > > GURU > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to convince > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to prove > > this > > > > lagna > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY ARE > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > father's > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of > > maraka > > > > with > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in sat's > > sign > > > > wth > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a maraka > > 2nd > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick to > > Makar > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish > > others > > > > to > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls > > around 1 > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun goes > > to > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in > > common > > > > sign > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th and > > i am > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for my > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out true > > > > birth > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls around 1 > > > > degree, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun > > goes to > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day of > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd lord > > > > Saturn > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu was > > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in conjunction > > with > > > > his > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th lord > > moon > > > > was > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his > > mind to > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi with a > > > > belief > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when humanity > > w'd > > > > need > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : A > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to great > > > > mother > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to > > analyse in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji and > > > > dedicate > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for > > the > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says that > > he > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived and > > > > seen > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan > > himself > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was a > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad practices > > in > > > > the > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh narrates > > > > that in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > > friends, no > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji was > > > > born on > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti was > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh gives > > entire > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the other > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written that > > for > > > > the > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > > " Jeevani > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought mentioning > > > > source > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started > > > > circulating > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to validate > > both > > > > the > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar Sankranti, > > Makar > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to Makara > > at > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the lagna, > > a > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth time > > of > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced that > > It > > > > could > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he had > > no > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was without > > > > Birth > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book along > > with > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali > > also in > > > > his > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s horoscope > > with > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in > > Shimla > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, during > > the > > > > eve > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. His > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He was > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in > > social > > > > and > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and > > had > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to > > give > > > > her > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of > > Dhanur > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > > immovable > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with Dhanur > > > > lagna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a > > superb > > > > Sun > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left entire > > > > family > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to > > day > > > > meals > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > question > > > > to > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart ? > > Can > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, > > you > > > > get > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and his > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and > > persona : > > > > With > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th house, > > which > > > > is > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for > > having > > > > such > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting influence > > on > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th house > > even > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, > > you > > > > get > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives > > Jup's > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb qualities > > of > > > > swami > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's > > > > sister > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna > > chart, > > > > there > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna chart, > > you > > > > find > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in 9'th > > > > house, > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems to > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause for > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup > > receives > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is placed > > in > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters > > died > > > > early, > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon in > > 9'th > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu > > lagna > > > > chart > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's > > aspect > > > > from > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education gives, > > ask > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, at > > least > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji > > graduated > > > > in > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, arts, > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in classical > > music, > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone training > > > > under > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give > > > > education > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > > justified > > > > Swami > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, > > > > Venus > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord merc > > in > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for > > sports on > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you get > > a > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th house > > Jup > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord is > > moved > > > > to > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be good > > in > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though > > makes > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives illness > > too, > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly > > > > indicating, > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya > > : > > > > It's > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that > > Swami > > > > Ji > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > > Spiritual > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection between > > 5'th > > > > and > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th lord > > > > rather, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and binding > > to > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous for > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, > > > > 5'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a rarest > > of > > > > the > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion and > > Guru's > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make it > > an > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has no > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited to > > take > > > > one > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > > overcome > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha mantra > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening and > > also > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before making an > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : > > This > > > > has > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed in > > 12'th, > > > > Jup > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of karma, > > > > because > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest > > orator > > > > of > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on world > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > > astrology > > > > finds > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th > > house, > > > > when > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened in > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With > > Dhanu > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > > marriages, > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology and > > Swami > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord > > mercury > > > > is > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple > > women, > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of desires > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence of > > > > polygamy > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > > astrologer's > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look > > at > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th > > lord > > > > moon, > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this > > > > combination > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It has > > > > made > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > > Renunciation > > > > : > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd > > house, > > > > is it > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > > renunciation, > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji > > > > get's > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this > > > > combination > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup is > > in > > > > libra > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, So, > > > > should > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This > > > > underlines a > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those astrologers > > who > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, Have > > you > > > > ever > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where is > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, > > the > > > > Ketu > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent fire > > of > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could ignite > > his > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from 10'th > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or 'SHARED'! Which is SAD! For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and the most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated otherwise! Rohiniranjan , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just as > your > GURUJI told...// > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and where he > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this is > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the chains of > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa Yogananda > -gopi. > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER CASE > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just as > your GURUJI told... > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > aswell!!!....... > > > -gopi. > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was given > the > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual ambitions! > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention and > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did compassion > die? > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual > elevation > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this thread, I > > > will > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take > it > > > easy > > > > > RR > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have > been > > > very > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis > and > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE > takes > > > > > over... > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > practices > > > are > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining.. > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted > in > > > lagna > > > > > in > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa > karari > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. > in > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a > chance > > > for > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please > do > > > send > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one > really > > > > > knows > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > Channeled > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you > are > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' > labels > > > and > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so > neatly > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > (separate > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the > words > > > of > > > > > all > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding > of > > > the > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best > suited > > > to > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized > and > > > not > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum > and > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order > to > > > get > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers > to > > > turn > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus > software > > > and > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the > very > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our > > > messages > > > > > and > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant > body > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and > > > prepare > > > > > for > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all > do to > > > be > > > > > able > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's > > > piano > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one > really > > > > > knows > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > Channeled > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does > not > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it > would > > > not > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? > What > > > is > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not > need > > > mind > > > > > to > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what > mind > > > sees. > > > > > As > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's > > > Chart : > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even > Maharshi > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY > THE > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > spiritual > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and > also > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- > publicly > > > by > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could > exercise > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it > > > seems! > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your > own > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > been)responding. > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but > I > > > am > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > purification of > > > > > body, > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil > > > Servant " > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing > > > > > information > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > and > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often > > > creates > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left > hand > > > is > > > > > doing > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their > > > Masters at > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that > was > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself > did > > > not > > > > > care > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted > in > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm > > > believer > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for > an > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the > > > wrong > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, > > > because > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should > have > > > been > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to > not > > > > > float a > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU > > > thing > > > > > to > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN > with > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! > > > Someone > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he > > > > > presented > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value > of > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate > value > > > at > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > believes > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha > and > > > > > brought > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this > is > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to > > > light, > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was > an > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya > di > > > ya > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished > with > > > his > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this > kind > > > of > > > > > hide > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep > it > > > > > canned > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed > must > > > not > > > > > know > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and > > > making a > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of > Hansel > > > and > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 > > > value > > > > > given > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of > 50.333 > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV > Raman > > > who > > > > > was > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy > Science > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > ayanamsha. > > > Once > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > > > Panjikas > > > > > that > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > a > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles > > > that he > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > precision > > > was > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take > this > > > > > personally > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is > > > eclipse > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > entire > > > family > > > > > in > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to > day > > > > > meals > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > question to > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart > ? > > > Can > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons > for > > > > > makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the > > > simple > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic > birth > > > data > > > > > we > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > Paramahansa > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > > > astrologers. > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was > revealed > > > to > > > > > me > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > permission > > > from > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to > convince > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to > prove > > > this > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY > ARE > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > father's > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of > > > maraka > > > > > with > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in > sat's > > > sign > > > > > wth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a > maraka > > > 2nd > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick > to > > > Makar > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish > > > others > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls > > > around 1 > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun > goes > > > to > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in > > > common > > > > > sign > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th > and > > > i am > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for > my > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out > true > > > > > birth > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls > around 1 > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun > > > goes to > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day > of > > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd > lord > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu > was > > > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > conjunction > > > with > > > > > his > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th > lord > > > moon > > > > > was > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his > > > mind to > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi > with a > > > > > belief > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when > humanity > > > w'd > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : > A > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to > great > > > > > mother > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to > > > analyse in > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji > and > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother > for > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says > that > > > he > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived > and > > > > > seen > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan > > > himself > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was > a > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > practices > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > narrates > > > > > that in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > > > friends, no > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji > was > > > > > born on > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti > was > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > gives > > > entire > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the > other > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written > that > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > mentioning > > > > > source > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to > validate > > > both > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > Sankranti, > > > Makar > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to > Makara > > > at > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the > lagna, > > > a > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth > time > > > of > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced > that > > > It > > > > > could > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he > had > > > no > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was > without > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book > along > > > with > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali > > > also in > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > horoscope > > > with > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born > in > > > Shimla > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, > during > > > the > > > > > eve > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. > His > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He > was > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in > > > social > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious > and > > > had > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi > to > > > give > > > > > her > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of > > > Dhanur > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > > > immovable > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with > Dhanur > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a > > > superb > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > entire > > > > > family > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day > to > > > day > > > > > meals > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > question > > > > > to > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > chart ? > > > Can > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death > and > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and > his > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and > > > persona : > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th > house, > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for > > > having > > > > > such > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting > influence > > > on > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th > house > > > even > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives > > > Jup's > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > qualities > > > of > > > > > swami > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami > ji's > > > > > sister > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna > > > chart, > > > > > there > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in > 9'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems > to > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause > for > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup > > > receives > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is > placed > > > in > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters > > > died > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon > in > > > 9'th > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's > > > aspect > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education > gives, > > > ask > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, > at > > > least > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji > > > graduated > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, > arts, > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > classical > > > music, > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone > training > > > > > under > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give > > > > > education > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > > > justified > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You > get, > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord > merc > > > in > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : > With > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for > > > sports on > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you > get > > > a > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th > house > > > Jup > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord > is > > > moved > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be > good > > > in > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord > though > > > makes > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives > illness > > > too, > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva > Punya > > > : > > > > > It's > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that > > > Swami > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection > between > > > 5'th > > > > > and > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th > lord > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and > binding > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous > for > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you > get, > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a > rarest > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, > 10'th > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion > and > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make > it > > > an > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has > no > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited > to > > > take > > > > > one > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > > > overcome > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha > mantra > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening > and > > > also > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before > making an > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : > > > This > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed > in > > > 12'th, > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of > karma, > > > > > because > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest > > > orator > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on > world > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > > > astrology > > > > > finds > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th > > > house, > > > > > when > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened > in > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : > With > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > > > marriages, > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology > and > > > Swami > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord > > > mercury > > > > > is > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple > > > women, > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of > desires > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence > of > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious > look > > > at > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th > > > lord > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It > has > > > > > made > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > > > Renunciation > > > > > : > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd > > > house, > > > > > is it > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, > Swami ji > > > > > get's > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup > is > > > in > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, > So, > > > > > should > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > astrologers > > > who > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, > Have > > > you > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where > is > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna > chart, > > > the > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush > Yoga, > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent > fire > > > of > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could > ignite > > > his > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from > 10'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come > > > forward > > > > > and > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami > Ji, > > > > > perhapse > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to my Divine Guru) wanted!!.... -gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or 'SHARED'! > > Which is SAD! > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and the most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated otherwise! > > > Rohiniranjan > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just as > > your > > GURUJI told...// > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and where he > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this is > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the chains of > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa Yogananda > > -gopi. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER CASE > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just as > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > aswell!!!....... > > > > -gopi. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was given > > the > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention and > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did compassion > > die? > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual > > elevation > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this thread, I > > > > will > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please take > > it > > > > easy > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would have > > been > > > > very > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of jyotishis > > and > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and COMPLACENCE > > takes > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > practices > > > > are > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by providence,not by > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is exalted > > in > > > > lagna > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by papa > > karari > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal 9L. > > in > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be a > > chance > > > > for > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! Please > > do > > > > send > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no one > > really > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as you > > are > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' > > labels > > > > and > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > (separate > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the > > words > > > > of > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and understanding > > of > > > > the > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy and > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best > > suited > > > > to > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is self-realized > > and > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this forum > > and > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In order > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their fingers > > to > > > > turn > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus > > software > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at the > > very > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type our > > > > messages > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, abhorrant > > body > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, and > > > > prepare > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we all > > do to > > > > be > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the child's > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no one > > really > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and REAL > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and does > > not > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, it > > would > > > > not > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? How?? > > What > > > > is > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not > > need > > > > mind > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see what > > mind > > > > sees. > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami Vivekananda's > > > > Chart : > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even > > Maharshi > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO NASA(DESTRY > > THE > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > spiritual > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, through > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty and > > also > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- > > publicly > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could > > exercise > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for you, it > > > > seems! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about your > > own > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. something. > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, but > > I > > > > am > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > purification of > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a " Civil > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on playing > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality often > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the left > > hand > > > > is > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for their > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us by > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax that > > was > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He himself > > did > > > > not > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as quoted > > in > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a firm > > > > believer > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask for > > an > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated the > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples etc, > > > > because > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata should > > have > > > > been > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense to > > not > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a SADHU > > > > thing > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to RUN > > with > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for instance! > > > > Someone > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which he > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a value > > of > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an approximate > > value > > > > at > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an ayanamsha > > and > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as this > > is > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this to > > > > light, > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar was > > an > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in Calcutta ya > > di > > > > ya > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply vanished > > with > > > > his > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider this > > kind > > > > of > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or keep > > it > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed > > must > > > > not > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there and > > > > making a > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale of > > Hansel > > > > and > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the 1894 > > > > value > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of > > 50.333 > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is interesting > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV > > Raman > > > > who > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy > > Science > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > ayanamsha. > > > > Once > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA cycles > > > > that he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > precision > > > > was > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " per > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take > > this > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because it is > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > entire > > > > family > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day to > > day > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > > question to > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna chart > > ? > > > > Can > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death and > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good reasons > > for > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for the > > > > simple > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic > > birth > > > > data > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was > > revealed > > > > to > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > permission > > > > from > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to > > convince > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to > > prove > > > > this > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets boosted?THEY > > ARE > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > father's > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd H of > > > > maraka > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd in > > sat's > > > > sign > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a > > maraka > > > > 2nd > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to stick > > to > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not wish > > > > others > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna falls > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun > > goes > > > > to > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L in > > > > common > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in 12th > > and > > > > i am > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give for > > my > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find out > > true > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls > > around 1 > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord Sun > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the day > > of > > > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as 2nd > > lord > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and Rahu > > was > > > > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > > conjunction > > > > with > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th > > lord > > > > moon > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up his > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into mahasamadhi > > with a > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when > > humanity > > > > w'd > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s Chart : > > A > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect to > > great > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going to > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami Ji > > and > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and says > > that > > > > he > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he lived > > and > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu Devakinandan > > > > himself > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and was > > a > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > practices > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > narrates > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that Swami Ji > > was > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar Sankranti > > was > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > gives > > > > entire > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how the > > other > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has written > > that > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > mentioning > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart started > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to > > validate > > > > both > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > Sankranti, > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves to > > Makara > > > > at > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be the > > lagna, > > > > a > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct birth > > time > > > > of > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is convinced > > that > > > > It > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before noon, he > > had > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was > > without > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book > > along > > > > with > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt Srimali > > > > also in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > horoscope > > > > with > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar lagna > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born > > in > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, > > during > > > > the > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath Datta. > > His > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. He > > was > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook in > > > > social > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious > > and > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi > > to > > > > give > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back ground > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity and > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, with > > Dhanur > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can such a > > > > superb > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > entire > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day > > to > > > > day > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > > question > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > chart ? > > > > Can > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death > > and > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father and > > his > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and > > > > persona : > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th > > house, > > > > which > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement for > > > > having > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting > > influence > > > > on > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th > > house > > > > even > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which receives > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > qualities > > > > of > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami > > ji's > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon in > > 9'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states problems > > to > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes cause > > for > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord Jup > > > > receives > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of sisters > > > > died > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if Moon > > in > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives Jup's > > > > aspect > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education > > gives, > > > > ask > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical education, > > at > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami Ji > > > > graduated > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social sciences, > > arts, > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > classical > > > > music, > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone > > training > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never give > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > > > > justified > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You > > get, > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th lord > > merc > > > > in > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : > > With > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love for > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, you > > get > > > > a > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from 10'th > > house > > > > Jup > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th lord > > is > > > > moved > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to be > > good > > > > in > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord > > though > > > > makes > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives > > illness > > > > too, > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, clearly > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva > > Punya > > > > : > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha that > > > > Swami > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection > > between > > > > 5'th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is 9'th > > lord > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and > > binding > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is infamous > > for > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you > > get, > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a > > rarest > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord also, > > 10'th > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, in > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of religion > > and > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to make > > it > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord has > > no > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's limited > > to > > > > take > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > > > > overcome > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha > > mantra > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini awakening > > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before > > making an > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi and > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : > > > > This > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is placed > > in > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of > > karma, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became greatest > > > > orator > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went on > > world > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > > > > astrology > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his 9'th > > > > house, > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also happened > > in > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : > > With > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic astrology > > and > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th lord > > > > mercury > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with multiple > > > > women, > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of > > desires > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore presence > > of > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious > > look > > > > at > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th > > > > lord > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and this > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari and It > > has > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd > > > > house, > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, > > Swami ji > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, this > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, Jup > > is > > > > in > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th house, > > So, > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, This > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > astrologers > > > > who > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is any > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a saint, > > Have > > > > you > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, where > > is > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna > > chart, > > > > the > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka Mahapurush > > Yoga, > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine serpent > > fire > > > > of > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji could > > ignite > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars from > > 10'th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th lord's > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd come > > > > forward > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of Swami > > Ji, > > > > > > perhapse > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? KALIYUGA or any other YUGA Gopi ji? May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! Neelam On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to my > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > -gopi. > <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani > wrote: > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > 'SHARED'! > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and the > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated otherwise! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > as > > > your > > > GURUJI told...// > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and where > he > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this is > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the chains of > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa Yogananda > > > -gopi. > > > <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER > CASE > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > as > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > given > > > the > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention > and > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > compassion > > > die? > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual > > > elevation > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > thread, I > > > > > will > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please > take > > > it > > > > > easy > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would > have > > > been > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > jyotishis > > > and > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > COMPLACENCE > > > takes > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > practices > > > > > are > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > providence,not by > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > exalted > > > in > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > papa > > > karari > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal > 9L. > > > in > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be > a > > > chance > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > Please > > > do > > > > > send > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > , > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no > one > > > really > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > REAL > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as > you > > > are > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > , > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' > > > labels > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > (separate > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the > > > words > > > > > of > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > understanding > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy > and > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best > > > suited > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > self-realized > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this > forum > > > and > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In > order > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > fingers > > > to > > > > > turn > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus > > > software > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at > the > > > very > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type > our > > > > > messages > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > abhorrant > > > body > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, > and > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we > all > > > do to > > > > > be > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > child's > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no > one > > > really > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > REAL > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and > does > > > not > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, > it > > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > How?? > > > What > > > > > is > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > , > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not > > > need > > > > > mind > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > what > > > mind > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > Vivekananda's > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > NASA(DESTRY > > > THE > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > spiritual > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > through > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty > and > > > also > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- > > > publicly > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could > > > exercise > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > you, it > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about > your > > > own > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > something. > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, > but > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > purification of > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > " Civil > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > playing > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality > often > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > left > > > hand > > > > > is > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > their > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us > by > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > that > > > was > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > himself > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > quoted > > > in > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > firm > > > > > believer > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask > for > > > an > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated > the > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples > etc, > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > should > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense > to > > > not > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a > SADHU > > > > > thing > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to > RUN > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > instance! > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which > he > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a > value > > > of > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > approximate > > > value > > > > > at > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > ayanamsha > > > and > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as > this > > > is > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this > to > > > > > light, > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar > was > > > an > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > Calcutta ya > > > di > > > > > ya > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > vanished > > > with > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > this > > > kind > > > > > of > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or > keep > > > it > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed > > > must > > > > > not > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there > and > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale > of > > > Hansel > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the > 1894 > > > > > value > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > interesting > > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV > > > Raman > > > > > who > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy > > > Science > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > Once > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA > cycles > > > > > that he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > precision > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " > per > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take > > > this > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because > it is > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > entire > > > > > family > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day > to > > > day > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > chart > > > ? > > > > > Can > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death > and > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > reasons > > > for > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for > the > > > > > simple > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic > > > birth > > > > > data > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was > > > revealed > > > > > to > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > permission > > > > > from > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to > > > convince > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to > > > prove > > > > > this > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > boosted?THEY > > > ARE > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd > H of > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd > in > > > sat's > > > > > sign > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a > > > maraka > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > stick > > > to > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not > wish > > > > > others > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > falls > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > Sun > > > goes > > > > > to > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L > in > > > > > common > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in > 12th > > > and > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give > for > > > my > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find > out > > > true > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls > > > around 1 > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > Sun > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the > day > > > of > > > > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as > 2nd > > > lord > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and > Rahu > > > was > > > > > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > > > conjunction > > > > > with > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th > > > lord > > > > > moon > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up > his > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > teachings/ > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > mahasamadhi > > > with a > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when > > > humanity > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > Chart : > > > A > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect > to > > > great > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going > to > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami > Ji > > > and > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > mother > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by > Babu > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and > says > > > that > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he > lived > > > and > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu > Devakinandan > > > > > himself > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and > was > > > a > > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > > practices > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > narrates > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > Swami Ji > > > was > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > Sankranti > > > was > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > gives > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how > the > > > other > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > written > > > that > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > mentioning > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > started > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to > > > validate > > > > > both > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > > Sankranti, > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves > to > > > Makara > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be > the > > > lagna, > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct > birth > > > time > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > convinced > > > that > > > > > It > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > noon, he > > > had > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was > > > without > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book > > > along > > > > > with > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > Srimali > > > > > also in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > horoscope > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar > lagna > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was > born > > > in > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, > > > during > > > > > the > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath > Datta. > > > His > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. > He > > > was > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook > in > > > > > social > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was > pious > > > and > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > Varanasi > > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity > of > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > ground > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity > and > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > with > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > such a > > > > > superb > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > entire > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > day > > > to > > > > > day > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > open > > > > > question > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > > chart ? > > > > > Can > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > death > > > and > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father > and > > > his > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence > and > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th > > > house, > > > > > which > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement > for > > > > > having > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting > > > influence > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th > > > house > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > receives > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > qualities > > > > > of > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > Swami > > > ji's > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon > in > > > 9'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > problems > > > to > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes > cause > > > for > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord > Jup > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > sisters > > > > > died > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if > Moon > > > in > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives > Jup's > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education > > > gives, > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > education, > > > at > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami > Ji > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > sciences, > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > classical > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone > > > training > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never > give > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > > > > > justified > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, > You > > > get, > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th > lord > > > merc > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : > > > With > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love > for > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, > you > > > get > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > 10'th > > > house > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th > lord > > > is > > > > > moved > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to > be > > > good > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord > > > though > > > > > makes > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives > > > illness > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > clearly > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > Poorva > > > Punya > > > > > : > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha > that > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection > > > between > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is > 9'th > > > lord > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and > > > binding > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > infamous > > > for > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, > you > > > get, > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a > > > rarest > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > also, > > > 10'th > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, > in > > > Makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > religion > > > and > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to > make > > > it > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord > has > > > no > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > limited > > > to > > > > > take > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha > > > mantra > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > awakening > > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before > > > making an > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi > and > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > Lectures : > > > > > This > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > placed > > > in > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of > > > karma, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > greatest > > > > > orator > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went > on > > > world > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his > 9'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > happened > > > in > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy > : > > > With > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > astrology > > > and > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th > lord > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > multiple > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of > > > desires > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > presence > > > of > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > serious > > > look > > > > > at > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and > 7'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and > this > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari > and It > > > has > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, > this > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, > Jup > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th > house, > > > So, > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, > This > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > astrologers > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is > any > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > saint, > > > Have > > > > > you > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, > where > > > is > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna > > > chart, > > > > > the > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > Mahapurush > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > serpent > > > fire > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > could > > > ignite > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > from > > > 10'th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th > lord's > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd > come > > > > > forward > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of > Swami > > > Ji, > > > > > > > perhapse > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth > > > > > anniversary > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of > this > > > > > message > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > > > message > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > > > message > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Gopi, Are you now suggesting that by some COSMIC happenstance, as per your " colection " of charts the 4th house alone remains afflicted! So, it was the Divine Mother of YOUR Divine Guru (as per your latest confession!) that was behind all of this collective misery? Why would this Divine Mother " WANT " such a harsh outcome for the rest of us who do not *BREATHE* the same way as certain groups of individuals do? I am not sure what your personal experiences have been with MAs but I have always found them to be very kind, loving, forgiving and INCLUSIVE! Certainly not EXCLUSIVE!! RR_, , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to my > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > -gopi. > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > 'SHARED'! > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and the > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated otherwise! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > as > > > your > > > GURUJI told...// > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and where > he > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this is > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the chains of > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa Yogananda > > > -gopi. > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER > CASE > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > as > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > given > > > the > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention > and > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > compassion > > > die? > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual > > > elevation > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > thread, I > > > > > will > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please > take > > > it > > > > > easy > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would > have > > > been > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > jyotishis > > > and > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > COMPLACENCE > > > takes > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > practices > > > > > are > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > providence,not by > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > exalted > > > in > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > papa > > > karari > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal > 9L. > > > in > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be > a > > > chance > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > Please > > > do > > > > > send > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no > one > > > really > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > REAL > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as > you > > > are > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' > > > labels > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > (separate > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the > > > words > > > > > of > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > understanding > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy > and > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best > > > suited > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > self-realized > > > and > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this > forum > > > and > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In > order > > > to > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > fingers > > > to > > > > > turn > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus > > > software > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at > the > > > very > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type > our > > > > > messages > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > abhorrant > > > body > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, > and > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we > all > > > do to > > > > > be > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > child's > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no > one > > > really > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > REAL > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and > does > > > not > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, > it > > > would > > > > > not > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > How?? > > > What > > > > > is > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not > > > need > > > > > mind > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > what > > > mind > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > Vivekananda's > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > NASA(DESTRY > > > THE > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > spiritual > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > through > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty > and > > > also > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- > > > publicly > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could > > > exercise > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > you, it > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about > your > > > own > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > something. > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, > but > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > purification of > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > " Civil > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > playing > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality > often > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > left > > > hand > > > > > is > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > their > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us > by > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > that > > > was > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > himself > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > quoted > > > in > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > firm > > > > > believer > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask > for > > > an > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated > the > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples > etc, > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > should > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense > to > > > not > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a > SADHU > > > > > thing > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to > RUN > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > instance! > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which > he > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a > value > > > of > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > approximate > > > value > > > > > at > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > ayanamsha > > > and > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as > this > > > is > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this > to > > > > > light, > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar > was > > > an > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > Calcutta ya > > > di > > > > > ya > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > vanished > > > with > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > this > > > kind > > > > > of > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or > keep > > > it > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed > > > must > > > > > not > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there > and > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale > of > > > Hansel > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the > 1894 > > > > > value > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > interesting > > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV > > > Raman > > > > > who > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy > > > Science > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > Once > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA > cycles > > > > > that he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > precision > > > > > was > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " > per > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take > > > this > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because > it is > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > entire > > > > > family > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day > to > > > day > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > chart > > > ? > > > > > Can > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death > and > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > reasons > > > for > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for > the > > > > > simple > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic > > > birth > > > > > data > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was > > > revealed > > > > > to > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > permission > > > > > from > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to > > > convince > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to > > > prove > > > > > this > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > boosted?THEY > > > ARE > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd > H of > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd > in > > > sat's > > > > > sign > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a > > > maraka > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > stick > > > to > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not > wish > > > > > others > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > falls > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > Sun > > > goes > > > > > to > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L > in > > > > > common > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in > 12th > > > and > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give > for > > > my > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find > out > > > true > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls > > > around 1 > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > Sun > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the > day > > > of > > > > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as > 2nd > > > lord > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and > Rahu > > > was > > > > > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > > > conjunction > > > > > with > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th > > > lord > > > > > moon > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up > his > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > teachings/ > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > mahasamadhi > > > with a > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when > > > humanity > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > Chart : > > > A > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect > to > > > great > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going > to > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami > Ji > > > and > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > mother > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by > Babu > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and > says > > > that > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he > lived > > > and > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu > Devakinandan > > > > > himself > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and > was > > > a > > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > > practices > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > narrates > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > Swami Ji > > > was > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > Sankranti > > > was > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > gives > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how > the > > > other > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > written > > > that > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > mentioning > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > started > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to > > > validate > > > > > both > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > > Sankranti, > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves > to > > > Makara > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be > the > > > lagna, > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct > birth > > > time > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > convinced > > > that > > > > > It > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > noon, he > > > had > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was > > > without > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book > > > along > > > > > with > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > Srimali > > > > > also in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > horoscope > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar > lagna > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was > born > > > in > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, > > > during > > > > > the > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath > Datta. > > > His > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. > He > > > was > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook > in > > > > > social > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was > pious > > > and > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > Varanasi > > > to > > > > > give > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity > of > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > ground > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity > and > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > with > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > such a > > > > > superb > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > entire > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > day > > > to > > > > > day > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > open > > > > > question > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > > chart ? > > > > > Can > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > death > > > and > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father > and > > > his > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence > and > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th > > > house, > > > > > which > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement > for > > > > > having > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting > > > influence > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th > > > house > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > receives > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > qualities > > > > > of > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > Swami > > > ji's > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon > in > > > 9'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > problems > > > to > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes > cause > > > for > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord > Jup > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > sisters > > > > > died > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if > Moon > > > in > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives > Jup's > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education > > > gives, > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > education, > > > at > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami > Ji > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > sciences, > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > classical > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone > > > training > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never > give > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > > > > > justified > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, > You > > > get, > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th > lord > > > merc > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : > > > With > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love > for > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, > you > > > get > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > 10'th > > > house > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th > lord > > > is > > > > > moved > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to > be > > > good > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord > > > though > > > > > makes > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives > > > illness > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > clearly > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > Poorva > > > Punya > > > > > : > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha > that > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection > > > between > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is > 9'th > > > lord > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and > > > binding > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > infamous > > > for > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, > you > > > get, > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a > > > rarest > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > also, > > > 10'th > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, > in > > > Makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > religion > > > and > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to > make > > > it > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord > has > > > no > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > limited > > > to > > > > > take > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha > > > mantra > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > awakening > > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before > > > making an > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi > and > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > Lectures : > > > > > This > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > placed > > > in > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of > > > karma, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > greatest > > > > > orator > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went > on > > > world > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his > 9'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > happened > > > in > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy > : > > > With > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > astrology > > > and > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th > lord > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > multiple > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of > > > desires > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > presence > > > of > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > serious > > > look > > > > > at > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and > 7'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and > this > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari > and It > > > has > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in > 2nd > > > > > house, > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, > this > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, > Jup > > > is > > > > > in > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th > house, > > > So, > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, > This > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > astrologers > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is > any > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > saint, > > > Have > > > > > you > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, > where > > > is > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna > > > chart, > > > > > the > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > Mahapurush > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > serpent > > > fire > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > could > > > ignite > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > from > > > 10'th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th > lord's > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd > come > > > > > forward > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time of > Swami > > > Ji, > > > > > > > perhapse > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his birth > > > > > anniversary > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of > this > > > > > message > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > > > message > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > > > message > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this > message > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 or perhaps just the MOON, Neelam jee! :-) Poornima was just here on Friday as I was returning back home after 8 hours of SPEAKING, speaking speaking! MA looked beautiful! I wonder why ancient Jyotishis did the gender change on MOON -- the MOTHER! RR_, , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? KALIYUGA or > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > Neelam > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to my > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > -gopi. > > <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and the > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated otherwise! > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > > as > > > > your > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and where > > he > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this is > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the chains of > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > -gopi. > > > > <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER > > CASE > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > > as > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > given > > > > the > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention > > and > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > compassion > > > > die? > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual > > > > elevation > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > thread, I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please > > take > > > > it > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would > > have > > > > been > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > jyotishis > > > > and > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > COMPLACENCE > > > > takes > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > practices > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > exalted > > > > in > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > papa > > > > karari > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal > > 9L. > > > > in > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be > > a > > > > chance > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > Please > > > > do > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > , > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no > > one > > > > really > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > > REAL > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as > > you > > > > are > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > , > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' > > > > labels > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the > > > > words > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > understanding > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy > > and > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best > > > > suited > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > self-realized > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this > > forum > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In > > order > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > fingers > > > > to > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus > > > > software > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at > > the > > > > very > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type > > our > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > abhorrant > > > > body > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, > > and > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we > > all > > > > do to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > child's > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no > > one > > > > really > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > > REAL > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, > > it > > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > How?? > > > > What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > , > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not > > > > need > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > what > > > > mind > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > THE > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > spiritual > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > through > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty > > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- > > > > publicly > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > you, it > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about > > your > > > > own > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > something. > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, > > but > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > " Civil > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > playing > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality > > often > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > left > > > > hand > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > their > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us > > by > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > that > > > > was > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > himself > > > > did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > quoted > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > firm > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask > > for > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated > > the > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples > > etc, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > should > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense > > to > > > > not > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a > > SADHU > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to > > RUN > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > instance! > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which > > he > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a > > value > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > approximate > > > > value > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > ayanamsha > > > > and > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as > > this > > > > is > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this > > to > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar > > was > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > Calcutta ya > > > > di > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > vanished > > > > with > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > this > > > > kind > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or > > keep > > > > it > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed > > > > must > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there > > and > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale > > of > > > > Hansel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the > > 1894 > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > interesting > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV > > > > Raman > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy > > > > Science > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA > > cycles > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > precision > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " > > per > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take > > > > this > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because > > it is > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > > entire > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day > > to > > > > day > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > chart > > > > ? > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death > > and > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > reasons > > > > for > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for > > the > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic > > > > birth > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was > > > > revealed > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > permission > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to > > > > convince > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to > > > > prove > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > boosted?THEY > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd > > H of > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd > > in > > > > sat's > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a > > > > maraka > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > stick > > > > to > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not > > wish > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > > falls > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > > Sun > > > > goes > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L > > in > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in > > 12th > > > > and > > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give > > for > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find > > out > > > > true > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > > Sun > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the > > day > > > > of > > > > > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as > > 2nd > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and > > Rahu > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > > > > conjunction > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th > > > > lord > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up > > his > > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > > teachings/ > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > > mahasamadhi > > > > with a > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when > > > > humanity > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > Chart : > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of respect > > to > > > > great > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going > > to > > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami > > Ji > > > > and > > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > > mother > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by > > Babu > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and > > says > > > > that > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he > > lived > > > > and > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu > > Devakinandan > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and > > was > > > > a > > > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > > > practices > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > > narrates > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > Swami Ji > > > > was > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > Sankranti > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > > gives > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how > > the > > > > other > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > written > > > > that > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > started > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to > > > > validate > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves > > to > > > > Makara > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be > > the > > > > lagna, > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct > > birth > > > > time > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > > convinced > > > > that > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > > noon, he > > > > had > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was > > > > without > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book > > > > along > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > > Srimali > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > horoscope > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was > > born > > > > in > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, > > > > during > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath > > Datta. > > > > His > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. > > He > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook > > in > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was > > pious > > > > and > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > Varanasi > > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity > > of > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > ground > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity > > and > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > with > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > such a > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > > entire > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > > day > > > > to > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > > open > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > > > chart ? > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > death > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father > > and > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence > > and > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th > > > > house, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement > > for > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting > > > > influence > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th > > > > house > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > receives > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > qualities > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > Swami > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon > > in > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > problems > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes > > cause > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord > > Jup > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > sisters > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if > > Moon > > > > in > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives > > Jup's > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education > > > > gives, > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > education, > > > > at > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami > > Ji > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > sciences, > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > classical > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone > > > > training > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never > > give > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, > > You > > > > get, > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th > > lord > > > > merc > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : > > > > With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love > > for > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, > > you > > > > get > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > 10'th > > > > house > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th > > lord > > > > is > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to > > be > > > > good > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord > > > > though > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives > > > > illness > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > clearly > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > Poorva > > > > Punya > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha > > that > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection > > > > between > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is > > 9'th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and > > > > binding > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > infamous > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, > > you > > > > get, > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a > > > > rarest > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > also, > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, > > in > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > religion > > > > and > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to > > make > > > > it > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord > > has > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > limited > > > > to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > awakening > > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi > > and > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > Lectures : > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > greatest > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went > > on > > > > world > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his > > 9'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > happened > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy > > : > > > > With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > astrology > > > > and > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th > > lord > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > multiple > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > presence > > > > of > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > serious > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and > > 7'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and > > this > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari > > and It > > > > has > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, > > this > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, > > Jup > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th > > house, > > > > So, > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, > > This > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is > > any > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > saint, > > > > Have > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, > > where > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > Mahapurush > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > serpent > > > > fire > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > could > > > > ignite > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > from > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th > > lord's > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd > > come > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention!// My Response was to mind and hence.... Regards, gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? KALIYUGA or > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > Neelam > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to my > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > -gopi. > > <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and the > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated otherwise! > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > > as > > > > your > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and where > > he > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this is > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the chains of > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > -gopi. > > > > <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER > > CASE > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > > as > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > given > > > > the > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention > > and > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > compassion > > > > die? > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual > > > > elevation > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > thread, I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please > > take > > > > it > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would > > have > > > > been > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > jyotishis > > > > and > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > COMPLACENCE > > > > takes > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > practices > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > exalted > > > > in > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > papa > > > > karari > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal > > 9L. > > > > in > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be > > a > > > > chance > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > Please > > > > do > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > , > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no > > one > > > > really > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > > REAL > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as > > you > > > > are > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > , > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' > > > > labels > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the > > > > words > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > understanding > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy > > and > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best > > > > suited > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > self-realized > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this > > forum > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In > > order > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > fingers > > > > to > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus > > > > software > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at > > the > > > > very > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type > > our > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > abhorrant > > > > body > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, > > and > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we > > all > > > > do to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > child's > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no > > one > > > > really > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > > REAL > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, > > it > > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > How?? > > > > What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > , > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not > > > > need > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > what > > > > mind > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > THE > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > spiritual > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > through > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty > > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- > > > > publicly > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > you, it > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about > > your > > > > own > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > something. > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, > > but > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > " Civil > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > playing > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality > > often > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > left > > > > hand > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > their > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us > > by > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > that > > > > was > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > himself > > > > did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > quoted > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > firm > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask > > for > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated > > the > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples > > etc, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > should > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense > > to > > > > not > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a > > SADHU > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to > > RUN > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > instance! > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which > > he > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a > > value > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > approximate > > > > value > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > ayanamsha > > > > and > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as > > this > > > > is > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this > > to > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar > > was > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > Calcutta ya > > > > di > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > vanished > > > > with > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > this > > > > kind > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or > > keep > > > > it > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed > > > > must > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there > > and > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale > > of > > > > Hansel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the > > 1894 > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > interesting > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV > > > > Raman > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy > > > > Science > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA > > cycles > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > precision > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " > > per > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take > > > > this > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because > > it is > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > > entire > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day > > to > > > > day > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > chart > > > > ? > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death > > and > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > reasons > > > > for > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for > > the > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic > > > > birth > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was > > > > revealed > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > permission > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to > > > > convince > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to > > > > prove > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > boosted?THEY > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd > > H of > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd > > in > > > > sat's > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a > > > > maraka > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > stick > > > > to > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not > > wish > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > > falls > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > > Sun > > > > goes > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L > > in > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in > > 12th > > > > and > > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give > > for > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find > > out > > > > true > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > > Sun > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the > > day > > > > of > > > > > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as > > 2nd > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and > > Rahu > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > > > > conjunction > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th > > > > lord > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up > > his > > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > > teachings/ > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > > mahasamadhi > > > > with a > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when > > > > humanity > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going > > to > > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami > > Ji > > > > and > > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > > mother > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by > > Babu > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and > > says > > > > that > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he > > lived > > > > and > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu > > Devakinandan > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and > > was > > > > a > > > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > > > practices > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > > narrates > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > Swami Ji > > > > was > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > Sankranti > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > > gives > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how > > the > > > > other > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > written > > > > that > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > started > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to > > > > validate > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves > > to > > > > Makara > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be > > the > > > > lagna, > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct > > birth > > > > time > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > > convinced > > > > that > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > > noon, he > > > > had > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was > > > > without > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book > > > > along > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > > Srimali > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > horoscope > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was > > born > > > > in > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, > > > > during > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath > > Datta. > > > > His > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. > > He > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook > > in > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was > > pious > > > > and > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > Varanasi > > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity > > of > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > ground > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity > > and > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > with > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > such a > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > > entire > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > > day > > > > to > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > > open > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > > > chart ? > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > death > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father > > and > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence > > and > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th > > > > house, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement > > for > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting > > > > influence > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th > > > > house > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > receives > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > qualities > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > Swami > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon > > in > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > problems > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes > > cause > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord > > Jup > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > sisters > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if > > Moon > > > > in > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives > > Jup's > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education > > > > gives, > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > education, > > > > at > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami > > Ji > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > sciences, > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > classical > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone > > > > training > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never > > give > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, > > You > > > > get, > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th > > lord > > > > merc > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : > > > > With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love > > for > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, > > you > > > > get > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > 10'th > > > > house > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th > > lord > > > > is > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to > > be > > > > good > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord > > > > though > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives > > > > illness > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > clearly > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > Poorva > > > > Punya > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha > > that > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection > > > > between > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is > > 9'th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and > > > > binding > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > infamous > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, > > you > > > > get, > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a > > > > rarest > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > also, > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, > > in > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > religion > > > > and > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to > > make > > > > it > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord > > has > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > limited > > > > to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > awakening > > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi > > and > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > Lectures : > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > greatest > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went > > on > > > > world > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his > > 9'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > happened > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy > > : > > > > With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > astrology > > > > and > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th > > lord > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > multiple > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > presence > > > > of > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > serious > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and > > 7'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and > > this > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari > > and It > > > > has > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, > > this > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, > > Jup > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th > > house, > > > > So, > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, > > This > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is > > any > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > saint, > > > > Have > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, > > where > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > Mahapurush > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > serpent > > > > fire > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > could > > > > ignite > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > from > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th > > lord's > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd > > come > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Ask your SAD_GURU, Gopi_babu! You do have one, right? , " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention!// > My Response was to mind and hence.... > Regards, > gopi. > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > wrote: > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > KALIYUGA or > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to > my > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > -gopi. > > > > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and > the > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > Just > > > as > > > > > your > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and > where > > > he > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this > is > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > chains of > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > Yogananda > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > CASE > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > Just > > > as > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > > given > > > > > the > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > attention > > > and > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > compassion > > > > > die? > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > spiritual > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > > thread, I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > please > > > take > > > > > it > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > only... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > would > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > > jyotishis > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > > practices > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > > exalted > > > > > in > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > papa > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with > exal > > > 9L. > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may > be > > > a > > > > > chance > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > > Please > > > > > do > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > water! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > > > , > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which > no > > > one > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > of > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > and > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > and > > > REAL > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where > as > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > > > , > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > 'descriptive' > > > > > labels > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed > so > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for > the > > > > > words > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > understanding > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > philosophy > > > and > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and > best > > > > > suited > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > self-realized > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on > this > > > forum > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! > In > > > order > > > > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > > fingers > > > > > to > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti > virus > > > > > software > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down > at > > > the > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to > type > > > our > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > > abhorrant > > > > > body > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > around, > > > and > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever > we > > > all > > > > > do to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > > child's > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which > no > > > one > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > of > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > and > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > and > > > REAL > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal > and > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for > us, > > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > > How?? > > > > > What > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > > > , > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > > what > > > > > mind > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > not.Even > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > THE > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > > through > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > THROUGH > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half > empty > > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee > -- > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > could > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > > you, it > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > about > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > > something. > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at > me, > > > but > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > > " Civil > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > > playing > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > their > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > mentality > > > often > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > > left > > > > > hand > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > > their > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of > us > > > by > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > > that > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > > himself > > > > > did > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > > quoted > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > > firm > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should > ask > > > for > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > floated > > > the > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > disciples > > > etc, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > > should > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made > sense > > > to > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be > a > > > SADHU > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend > to > > > RUN > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > instance! > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in > which > > > he > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave > a > > > value > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > approximate > > > > > value > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > > ayanamsha > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein > as > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought > this > > > to > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > Yukteshwar > > > was > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > di > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > > vanished > > > > > with > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > > this > > > > > kind > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story > or > > > keep > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > unwashed > > > > > must > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > there > > > and > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy > tale > > > of > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use > the > > > 1894 > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value > of > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > interesting > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by > BV > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The > Holy > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to > the > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated > the > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > YUGA > > > cycles > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > > precision > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of > 54 " > > > per > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not > take > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > because > > > it is > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > left > > > > > entire > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > day > > > to > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > open > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > lagna > > > chart > > > > > ? > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > death > > > and > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > > reasons > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna > for > > > the > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > authentic > > > > > birth > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > eminent > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart > was > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > just > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > > permission > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested > to > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get > to > > > > > prove > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in > 2nd > > > H of > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in > 2nd > > > in > > > > > sat's > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L > in a > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > > stick > > > > > to > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can > not > > > wish > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > > > falls > > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th > lord > > > Sun > > > > > goes > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and > 8th L > > > in > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL > in > > > 12th > > > > > and > > > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you > give > > > for > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to > find > > > out > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna > falls > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that > 7'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he > made up > > > his > > > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > teachings/ > > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > > > teachings/ > > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > > > mahasamadhi > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and > when > > > > > humanity > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > Chart : > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of > respect > > > to > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are > going > > > to > > > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of > Swami > > > Ji > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > > > mother > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar > by > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao > and > > > says > > > > > that > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that > he > > > lived > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu > > > Devakinandan > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time > and > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > > > > practices > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > Singh > > > > > narrates > > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his > close > > > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > > Swami Ji > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > > Sankranti > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > Singh > > > > > gives > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and > how > > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > > written > > > > > that > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his > book > > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > > started > > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. 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at noon or before > > > noon, he > > > > > had > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that > was > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his > book > > > > > along > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > > > Srimali > > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take > Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > was > > > born > > > > > in > > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January > 1863, > > > > > during > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name > Narendranath > > > Datta. > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High > Court. > > > He > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive > outlook > > > in > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi > was > > > pious > > > > > and > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > > Varanasi > > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the > validity > > > of > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > > ground > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's > Generosity > > > and > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and > even > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > > with > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > > such a > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > left > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > when > > > day > > > > > to > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > an > > > open > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > lagna > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > death > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > father > > > and > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > Influence > > > and > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction > due to > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > 11'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > placement > > > for > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > lasting > > > > > influence > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on > 4'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > > receives > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > > Swami > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar > Lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord > moon > > > in > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > > problems > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > becomes > > > cause > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > lord > > > Jup > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > moon is > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > > sisters > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying > if > > > Moon > > > > > in > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > Taking > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > various > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > receives > > > Jup's > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > education > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > education, > > > > > at > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, > Swami > > > Ji > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > sciences, > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > > classical > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > undergone > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > never > > > give > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > Astrologer > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > chart, > > > You > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > 9'th > > > lord > > > > > merc > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts > and > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > Sickness : > > > > > With > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his > love > > > for > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > > 10'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > 6'th > > > lord > > > > > is > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for > one to > > > be > > > > > good > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th > lord > > > > > though > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > gives > > > > > illness > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > > Poorva > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > Paramhansha > > > that > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > Indian > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > connection > > > > > between > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who > is > > > 9'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation > and > > > > > binding > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > > infamous > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which > is a > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > > also, > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count > more, > > > in > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > > religion > > > > > and > > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon > to > > > make > > > > > it > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th > lord > > > has > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > > limited > > > > > to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > need to > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a > siddha > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > awakening > > > > > and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > before > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > VakShuddhi > > > and > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > house of > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > > greatest > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he > went > > > on > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > chart, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : > With > > > Makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on > his > > > 9'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > > happened > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > Poligamy > > > : > > > > > With > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > multiple > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > astrology > > > > > and > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > 10'th > > > lord > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > > multiple > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > lord of > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > > presence > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark > in > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > > serious > > > > > look > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, > and > > > 7'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord > and > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > brahmchari > > > and It > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire > Vs > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord > in > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise > or > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > chart, > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > Venus, > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to > that, > > > Jup > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > 11'th > > > house, > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't > it, > > > This > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there > is > > > any > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > > saint, > > > > > Have > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a > sage, > > > where > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar > Lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > Mahapurush > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > > serpent > > > > > fire > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > > could > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > > from > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and > 9'th > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody > w'd > > > come > > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time > of > > > Swami > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > perhapse > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his > birth > > > > > > > anniversary > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would be any difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or other-yugees! Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with them is entirely upto us! Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar energy, may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into ancient indian astrology! Regards Neelam On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention!// > My Response was to mind and hence.... > Regards, > gopi. > <%40>, > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > wrote: > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > KALIYUGA or > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to > my > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > -gopi. > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and > the > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > Just > > > as > > > > > your > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and > where > > > he > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this > is > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > chains of > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > Yogananda > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > CASE > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > Just > > > as > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > > given > > > > > the > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > attention > > > and > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > compassion > > > > > die? > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > spiritual > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > > thread, I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > please > > > take > > > > > it > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > only... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > would > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > > jyotishis > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > > practices > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > > exalted > > > > > in > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > papa > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with > exal > > > 9L. > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may > be > > > a > > > > > chance > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > > Please > > > > > do > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > water! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > , > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which > no > > > one > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > of > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > and > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > and > > > REAL > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where > as > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > , > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > 'descriptive' > > > > > labels > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed > so > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for > the > > > > > words > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > understanding > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > philosophy > > > and > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and > best > > > > > suited > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > self-realized > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on > this > > > forum > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! > In > > > order > > > > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > > fingers > > > > > to > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti > virus > > > > > software > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down > at > > > the > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to > type > > > our > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > > abhorrant > > > > > body > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > around, > > > and > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever > we > > > all > > > > > do to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > > child's > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which > no > > > one > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > of > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > and > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > and > > > REAL > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal > and > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for > us, > > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > > How?? > > > > > What > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > , > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > > what > > > > > mind > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > not.Even > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > THE > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > > through > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > THROUGH > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half > empty > > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee > -- > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > could > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > > you, it > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > about > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > > something. > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at > me, > > > but > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > > " Civil > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > > playing > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > their > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > mentality > > > often > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > > left > > > > > hand > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > > their > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of > us > > > by > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > > that > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > > himself > > > > > did > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > > quoted > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > > firm > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should > ask > > > for > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > floated > > > the > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > disciples > > > etc, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > > should > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made > sense > > > to > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be > a > > > SADHU > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend > to > > > RUN > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > instance! > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in > which > > > he > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave > a > > > value > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > approximate > > > > > value > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > > ayanamsha > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein > as > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought > this > > > to > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > Yukteshwar > > > was > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > di > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > > vanished > > > > > with > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > > this > > > > > kind > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story > or > > > keep > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > unwashed > > > > > must > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > there > > > and > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy > tale > > > of > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use > the > > > 1894 > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value > of > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > interesting > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by > BV > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The > Holy > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to > the > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated > the > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > YUGA > > > cycles > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > > precision > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of > 54 " > > > per > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not > take > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > because > > > it is > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > left > > > > > entire > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > day > > > to > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > open > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > lagna > > > chart > > > > > ? > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > death > > > and > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > > reasons > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna > for > > > the > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > authentic > > > > > birth > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > eminent > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart > was > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > just > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > > permission > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested > to > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get > to > > > > > prove > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in > 2nd > > > H of > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in > 2nd > > > in > > > > > sat's > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L > in a > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > > stick > > > > > to > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can > not > > > wish > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > > > falls > > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th > lord > > > Sun > > > > > goes > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and > 8th L > > > in > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL > in > > > 12th > > > > > and > > > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you > give > > > for > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to > find > > > out > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna > falls > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that > 7'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he > made up > > > his > > > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > teachings/ > > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > > > teachings/ > > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > > > mahasamadhi > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and > when > > > > > humanity > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > Chart : > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of > respect > > > to > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are > going > > > to > > > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of > Swami > > > Ji > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > > > mother > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar > by > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao > and > > > says > > > > > that > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that > he > > > lived > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu > > > Devakinandan > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time > and > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > > > > practices > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > Singh > > > > > narrates > > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his > close > > > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > > Swami Ji > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > > Sankranti > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > Singh > > > > > gives > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and > how > > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > > written > > > > > that > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his > book > > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > > started > > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. 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at noon or before > > > noon, he > > > > > had > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that > was > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his > book > > > > > along > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > > > Srimali > > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take > Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > was > > > born > > > > > in > > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January > 1863, > > > > > during > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name > Narendranath > > > Datta. > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High > Court. > > > He > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive > outlook > > > in > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi > was > > > pious > > > > > and > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > > Varanasi > > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the > validity > > > of > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > > ground > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's > Generosity > > > and > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and > even > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > > with > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > > such a > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > left > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > when > > > day > > > > > to > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > an > > > open > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > lagna > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > death > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > father > > > and > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > Influence > > > and > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction > due to > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > 11'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > placement > > > for > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > lasting > > > > > influence > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on > 4'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > > receives > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > > Swami > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar > Lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord > moon > > > in > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > > problems > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > becomes > > > cause > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > lord > > > Jup > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > moon is > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > > sisters > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying > if > > > Moon > > > > > in > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > Taking > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > various > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > receives > > > Jup's > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > education > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > education, > > > > > at > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, > Swami > > > Ji > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > sciences, > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > > classical > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > undergone > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > never > > > give > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > Astrologer > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > chart, > > > You > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > 9'th > > > lord > > > > > merc > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts > and > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > Sickness : > > > > > With > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his > love > > > for > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > > 10'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > 6'th > > > lord > > > > > is > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for > one to > > > be > > > > > good > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th > lord > > > > > though > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > gives > > > > > illness > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > > Poorva > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > Paramhansha > > > that > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > Indian > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > connection > > > > > between > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who > is > > > 9'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation > and > > > > > binding > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > > infamous > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which > is a > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > > also, > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count > more, > > > in > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > > religion > > > > > and > > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon > to > > > make > > > > > it > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th > lord > > > has > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > > limited > > > > > to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > need to > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a > siddha > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > awakening > > > > > and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > before > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > VakShuddhi > > > and > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > house of > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > > greatest > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he > went > > > on > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > chart, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : > With > > > Makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on > his > > > 9'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > > happened > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > Poligamy > > > : > > > > > With > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > multiple > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > astrology > > > > > and > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > 10'th > > > lord > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > > multiple > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > lord of > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > > presence > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark > in > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > > serious > > > > > look > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, > and > > > 7'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord > and > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > brahmchari > > > and It > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire > Vs > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord > in > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise > or > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > chart, > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > Venus, > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to > that, > > > Jup > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > 11'th > > > house, > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't > it, > > > This > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there > is > > > any > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > > saint, > > > > > Have > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a > sage, > > > where > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar > Lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > Mahapurush > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > > serpent > > > > > fire > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > > could > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > > from > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and > 9'th > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody > w'd > > > come > > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time > of > > > Swami > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > perhapse > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his > birth > > > > > > > anniversary > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 WOW! Looking in a telescoped sense (temporally-speaking), my father loved me as much as I love my children! All that changed over the DECADES and more was the WRITING and READING and the words and expressions! Thank you Neelam_jee for making the obvious so simple and vice versa! I hope I am not the only one who is " getting it! " , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would be any > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or > other-yugees! > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with them is > entirely upto us! > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar energy, > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into ancient > indian astrology! > > Regards > Neelam > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention!// > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > Regards, > > gopi. > > <%40>, > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > wrote: > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > KALIYUGA or > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to > > my > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > -gopi. > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and > > the > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > Just > > > > as > > > > > > your > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and > > where > > > > he > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this > > is > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > > chains of > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > Yogananda > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > CASE > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > Just > > > > as > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > > > given > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > > attention > > > > and > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > > compassion > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > spiritual > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > > please > > > > take > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > > would > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > > > exalted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > > papa > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with > > exal > > > > 9L. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may > > be > > > > a > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > > > Please > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > > water! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which > > no > > > > one > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > of > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > and > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > and > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where > > as > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed > > so > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for > > the > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > > understanding > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > philosophy > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and > > best > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > > self-realized > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on > > this > > > > forum > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! > > In > > > > order > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > > > fingers > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti > > virus > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down > > at > > > > the > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to > > type > > > > our > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > > around, > > > > and > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever > > we > > > > all > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > > > child's > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which > > no > > > > one > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > of > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > and > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > and > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal > > and > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for > > us, > > > > it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > > > How?? > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does > > not > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > > > what > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > > not.Even > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > > > through > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > > THROUGH > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half > > empty > > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee > > -- > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > > could > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > > about > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at > > me, > > > > but > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > > their > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > mentality > > > > often > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > > > left > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > > > their > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of > > us > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > > > that > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > > > himself > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > > > quoted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > > > firm > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should > > ask > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > > floated > > > > the > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > > disciples > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > > > should > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made > > sense > > > > to > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be > > a > > > > SADHU > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend > > to > > > > RUN > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > > instance! > > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in > > which > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave > > a > > > > value > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > > approximate > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein > > as > > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought > > this > > > > to > > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > > Yukteshwar > > > > was > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > > di > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > > > vanished > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > > > this > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story > > or > > > > keep > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > > unwashed > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > > there > > > > and > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy > > tale > > > > of > > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use > > the > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value > > of > > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by > > BV > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The > > Holy > > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to > > the > > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated > > the > > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > > YUGA > > > > cycles > > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > > > precision > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of > > 54 " > > > > per > > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not > > take > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > > because > > > > it is > > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > left > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > > day > > > > to > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > > open > > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > lagna > > > > chart > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > death > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > > > reasons > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > > authentic > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > > eminent > > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart > > was > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > > just > > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > > > permission > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested > > to > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get > > to > > > > > > prove > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in > > 2nd > > > > H of > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in > > 2nd > > > > in > > > > > > sat's > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L > > in a > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > > > stick > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can > > not > > > > wish > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > > > > falls > > > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna > > falls > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th > > lord > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > Chart : > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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and > > > > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > > > > mother > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > > Singh > > > > > > narrates > > > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his > > close > > > > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > > > Swami Ji > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > > > Sankranti > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > > Singh > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and > > how > > > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > > > written > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his > > book > > > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried > > to > > > > > > validate > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun > > moves > > > > to > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could > > be > > > > the > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be > > correct > > > > birth > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > > > > convinced > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > > > > noon, he > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that > > was > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his > > book > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > > > > Srimali > > > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take > > Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > was > > > > born > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January > > 1863, > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name > > Narendranath > > > > Datta. > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High > > Court. > > > > He > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive > > outlook > > > > in > > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi > > was > > > > pious > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > > > Varanasi > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the > > validity > > > > of > > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > > > ground > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's > > Generosity > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and > > even > > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > > > with > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > > > such a > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > left > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > > when > > > > day > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > > an > > > > open > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > lagna > > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > > death > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > > father > > > > and > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > > Influence > > > > and > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction > > due to > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > > 11'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > > placement > > > > for > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > > lasting > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on > > 4'th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > > > receives > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > > > Swami > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > > Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar > > Lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord > > moon > > > > in > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > > > problems > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > > becomes > > > > cause > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > > lord > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > > moon is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying > > if > > > > Moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > > Taking > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > > various > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > receives > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > education > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > > education, > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, > > Swami > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > > sciences, > > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > > undergone > > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > > never > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > You > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > > 9'th > > > > lord > > > > > > merc > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts > > and > > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > > Sickness : > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his > > love > > > > for > > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > > > 10'th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > > 6'th > > > > lord > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for > > one to > > > > be > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th > > lord > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > > gives > > > > > > illness > > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > > > Poorva > > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > Paramhansha > > > > that > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > > Indian > > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > connection > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who > > is > > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation > > and > > > > > > binding > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > > > infamous > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which > > is a > > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > > > also, > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count > > more, > > > > in > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > > > religion > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon > > to > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th > > lord > > > > has > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > > > limited > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > > need to > > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a > > siddha > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > > awakening > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > > before > > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > > VakShuddhi > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > > house of > > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he > > went > > > > on > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > > chart, > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : > > With > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on > > his > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > > > happened > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > > Poligamy > > > > : > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > > multiple > > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > > 10'th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > > lord of > > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > > > presence > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark > > in > > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > > > serious > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, > > and > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord > > and > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > > brahmchari > > > > and It > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire > > Vs > > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord > > in > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise > > or > > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > > chart, > > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > > Venus, > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to > > that, > > > > Jup > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > > 11'th > > > > house, > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't > > it, > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there > > is > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > > > saint, > > > > > > Have > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a > > sage, > > > > where > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar > > Lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > > Mahapurush > > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > > > serpent > > > > > > fire > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > > > could > > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > > > from > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and > > 9'th > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Thanks Rohini jee for making sense of what I said! However, the question always remains, specially with us Jyotishis, is WHO GETS WHAT? And that's the tragedy/comedy/whatever of life, of Jyotish!!:-) Regards Neelam On 1 February 2010 13:23, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > WOW! > > Looking in a telescoped sense (temporally-speaking), my father loved me as > much as I love my children! > > All that changed over the DECADES and more was the WRITING and READING and > the words and expressions! > > Thank you Neelam_jee for making the obvious so simple and vice versa! I > hope I am not the only one who is " getting it! " > > <%40>, > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would be > any > > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or > > other-yugees! > > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with them is > > entirely upto us! > > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar energy, > > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into ancient > > indian astrology! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > attention!// > > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > <%40><% > 40>, > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > > KALIYUGA or > > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother > to > > > my > > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > --- In <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and > > > the > > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > > Just > > > > > as > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and > > > where > > > > > he > > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this > > > is > > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > > > chains of > > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > > Yogananda > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > > CASE > > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > > Just > > > > > as > > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who > was > > > > > given > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > > > attention > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > > > compassion > > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > > spiritual > > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > > > please > > > > > take > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded > by > > > > > papa > > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with > > > exal > > > > > 9L. > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there > may > > > be > > > > > a > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, > Gopi_jee! > > > > > Please > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > > > water! > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > , > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which > > > no > > > > > one > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > > of > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > > and > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > > and > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself > where > > > as > > > > > you > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > , > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are > indeed > > > so > > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful > for > > > the > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > > philosophy > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and > > > best > > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > > > self-realized > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on > > > this > > > > > forum > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! > > > In > > > > > order > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti > > > virus > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to > > > type > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > > > around, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever > > > we > > > > > all > > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and > the > > > > > child's > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which > > > no > > > > > one > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > > of > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > > and > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > > and > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal > > > and > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for > > > us, > > > > > it > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > > > > How?? > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > , > > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul > does > > > not > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also > see > > > > > what > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > > > not.Even > > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > > > THROUGH > > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (AT) (DOT) > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half > > > empty > > > > > and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, > Gopi_jee > > > -- > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > > > could > > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* > for > > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > > > about > > > > > your > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset > at > > > me, > > > > > but > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > > > their > > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > > mentality > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what > the > > > > > left > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all > of > > > us > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a > hoax > > > > > that > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > > > > himself > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who > as > > > > > quoted > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least > a > > > > > firm > > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should > > > ask > > > > > for > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > > > floated > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > > > disciples > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > > > > should > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made > > > sense > > > > > to > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would > be > > > a > > > > > SADHU > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend > > > to > > > > > RUN > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > > > instance! > > > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in > > > which > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and > gave > > > a > > > > > value > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > > > approximate > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein > > > as > > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought > > > this > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > > > Yukteshwar > > > > > was > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > > > di > > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > > > > vanished > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I > consider > > > > > this > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full > story > > > or > > > > > keep > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > > > unwashed > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > > > there > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy > > > tale > > > > > of > > > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use > > > the > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value > > > of > > > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended > by > > > BV > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The > > > Holy > > > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for > the > > > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring > to > > > the > > > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated > > > the > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > > > YUGA > > > > > cycles > > > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > > > > precision > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value > of > > > 54 " > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not > > > take > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > > > because > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be > shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > > left > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > when > > > day > > > > > to > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > > > open > > > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > death > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some > good > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > > > authentic > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not > agree > > > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > > > eminent > > > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart > > > was > > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > > > just > > > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > > > > permission 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> > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > > > > Swami Ji > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > > > > Sankranti > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his > > > book > > > > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, > witought > > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could > > > be > > > > > the > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be > > > correct > > > > > birth > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > > > > > convinced > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > > > > > noon, he > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but > that > > > was > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his > > > book > > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan > Datt > > > > > Srimali > > > > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' > s > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take > > > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > > was > > > > > born > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January > > > 1863, > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name > > > Narendranath > > > > > Datta. > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High > > > Court. > > > > > He > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive > > > outlook > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi > > > was > > > > > pious > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > 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Father's > > > Generosity > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and > > > even > > > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of > 48, > > > > > with > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, > can > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > > left > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > > > when > > > > > day > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > > > an > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > > > death > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > > > father > > > > > and > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > > > Influence > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction > > > due to > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > > > 11'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > > > placement > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > > > lasting > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on > > > 4'th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the > superb > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death > : > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > > > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar > > > Lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord > > > moon > > > > > in > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > > > > problems > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > > > becomes > > > > > cause > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > > > lord > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > > > moon is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one > of > > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying > > > if > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > > > Taking > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > > > various > > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > > receives > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > > education > > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > > > education, > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, > > > Swami > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > > > sciences, > > > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > > > undergone > > > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > > > never > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > You > > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > > > 9'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > merc > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts > > > and > > > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > > > Sickness : > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his > > > love > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and > from > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > > > 6'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for > > > one to > > > > > be > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th > > > lord > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > > > gives > > > > > > > illness > > > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > > > > Poorva > > > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > Paramhansha > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > connection > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who > > > is > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great > temptation > > > and > > > > > > > binding > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > > > > infamous > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which > > > is a > > > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > > > > also, > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count > > > more, > > > > > in > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > > > > religion > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon > > > to > > > > > make > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th > > > lord > > > > > has > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > > > > limited > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > > > need to > > > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a > > > siddha > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > > > awakening > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > > > before > > > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > > > VakShuddhi > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > > > house of > > > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he > > > went > > > > > on > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > > > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : > > > With > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on > > > his > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > > > > happened > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > > > Poligamy > > > > > : > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > > > 10'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > > > lord of > > > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > > > > presence > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark > > > in > > > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > > > > serious > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, > > > and > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord > > > and > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > > > brahmchari > > > > > and It > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire > > > Vs > > > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th > lord > > > in > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise > > > or > > > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > > > chart, > > > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > > > Venus, > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to > > > that, > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > > > 11'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't > > > it, > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, > there > > > is > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > > > > saint, > > > > > > > Have > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a > > > sage, > > > > > where > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar > > > Lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > > > Mahapurush > > > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > > > > serpent > > > > > > > fire > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > > > > could > > > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this > mars > > > > > from > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and > > > 9'th > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody > > > w'd > > > > > come > > > > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time > > > of > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > perhapse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 //I am not sure what your personal experiences have been with MAs but I have always found them to be very kind, loving, forgiving and INCLUSIVE! Certainly not EXCLUSIVE!!// I have no personal experience at all !! //Are you now suggesting // I am not sugesting anything,specially what you have written.What i wrote is what i meant in crystal clear simple letters in english.Rest is yours...... -gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Gopi, > > Are you now suggesting that by some COSMIC happenstance, as per your " colection " of charts the 4th house alone remains afflicted! > > So, it was the Divine Mother of YOUR Divine Guru (as per your latest confession!) that was behind all of this collective misery? > > Why would this Divine Mother " WANT " such a harsh outcome for the rest of us who do not *BREATHE* the same way as certain groups of individuals do? > > I am not sure what your personal experiences have been with MAs but I have always found them to be very kind, loving, forgiving and INCLUSIVE! Certainly not EXCLUSIVE!! > > RR_, > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to my > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > -gopi. > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and the > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated otherwise! > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > > as > > > > your > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and where > > he > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this is > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the chains of > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > -gopi. > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use CAPITALS/UPPER > > CASE > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! Just > > as > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > given > > > > the > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying attention > > and > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > compassion > > > > die? > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of spiritual > > > > elevation > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > thread, I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So please > > take > > > > it > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND only... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That would > > have > > > > been > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > jyotishis > > > > and > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > COMPLACENCE > > > > takes > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > practices > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > exalted > > > > in > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > papa > > > > karari > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with exal > > 9L. > > > > in > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may be > > a > > > > chance > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > Please > > > > do > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on water! > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which no > > one > > > > really > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > > REAL > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where as > > you > > > > are > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these 'descriptive' > > > > labels > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed so > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for the > > > > words > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > understanding > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and philosophy > > and > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and best > > > > suited > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > self-realized > > > > and > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on this > > forum > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! In > > order > > > > to > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > fingers > > > > to > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti virus > > > > software > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down at > > the > > > > very > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to type > > our > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > abhorrant > > > > body > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children around, > > and > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever we > > all > > > > do to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > child's > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which no > > one > > > > really > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words of > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel and > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL and > > REAL > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal and > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for us, > > it > > > > would > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > How?? > > > > What > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does not > > > > need > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > what > > > > mind > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is not.Even > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > THE > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > spiritual > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > through > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT THROUGH > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half empty > > and > > > > also > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee -- > > > > publicly > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who could > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > you, it > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten about > > your > > > > own > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > something. > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at me, > > but > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > " Civil > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > playing > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is their > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding mentality > > often > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > left > > > > hand > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > their > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of us > > by > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > that > > > > was > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > himself > > > > did > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > quoted > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > firm > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should ask > > for > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that floated > > the > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the disciples > > etc, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > should > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made sense > > to > > > > not > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be a > > SADHU > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend to > > RUN > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > instance! > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in which > > he > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave a > > value > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > approximate > > > > value > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > ayanamsha > > > > and > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein as > > this > > > > is > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought this > > to > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that Yukteshwar > > was > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > Calcutta ya > > > > di > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > vanished > > > > with > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > this > > > > kind > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story or > > keep > > > > it > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great unwashed > > > > must > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and there > > and > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy tale > > of > > > > Hansel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use the > > 1894 > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value of > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > interesting > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by BV > > > > Raman > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The Holy > > > > Science > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to the > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated the > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The YUGA > > cycles > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > precision > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of 54 " > > per > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not take > > > > this > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just because > > it is > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > > entire > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when day > > to > > > > day > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an open > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > chart > > > > ? > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's death > > and > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > reasons > > > > for > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna for > > the > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have authentic > > > > birth > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many eminent > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart was > > > > revealed > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I just > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > permission > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested to > > > > convince > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get to > > > > prove > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > boosted?THEY > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in 2nd > > H of > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in 2nd > > in > > > > sat's > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L in a > > > > maraka > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > stick > > > > to > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can not > > wish > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > > falls > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > > Sun > > > > goes > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and 8th L > > in > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL in > > 12th > > > > and > > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you give > > for > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to find > > out > > > > true > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna falls > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th lord > > Sun > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. On the > > day > > > > of > > > > > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as well as > > 2nd > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup, both were retro and > > Rahu > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > transiting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > > > > conjunction > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that 7'th > > > > lord > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he made up > > his > > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- teachings/ > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > > teachings/ > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > > mahasamadhi > > > > with a > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and when > > > > humanity > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are going > > to > > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of Swami > > Ji > > > > and > > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > > mother > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar by > > Babu > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao and > > says > > > > that > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that he > > lived > > > > and > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu > > Devakinandan > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time and > > was > > > > a > > > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > > > practices > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > > narrates > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his close > > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > Swami Ji > > > > was > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > Sankranti > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan Singh > > > > gives > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and how > > the > > > > other > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > written > > > > that > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his book > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > started > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried to > > > > validate > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun moves > > to > > > > Makara > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could be > > the > > > > lagna, > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be correct > > birth > > > > time > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > > convinced > > > > that > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > > noon, he > > > > had > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that was > > > > without > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his book > > > > along > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > > Srimali > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > horoscope > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was > > born > > > > in > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January 1863, > > > > during > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name Narendranath > > Datta. > > > > His > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High Court. > > He > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive outlook > > in > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi was > > pious > > > > and > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > Varanasi > > > > to > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity > > of > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > ground > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generosity > > and > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and even > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > with > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > such a > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that left > > > > entire > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > > day > > > > to > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > > open > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu lagna > > > > chart ? > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > death > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent father > > and > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence > > and > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction due to > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in 11'th > > > > house, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a placement > > for > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a lasting > > > > influence > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on 4'th > > > > house > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > receives > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > qualities > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > Swami > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with Dhanu > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord moon > > in > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > problems > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon becomes > > cause > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd lord > > Jup > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, moon is > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > sisters > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying if > > Moon > > > > in > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, Taking > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in various > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which receives > > Jup's > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of education > > > > gives, > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > education, > > > > at > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, Swami > > Ji > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > sciences, > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > classical > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have undergone > > > > training > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can never > > give > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic Astrologer > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, > > You > > > > get, > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with 9'th > > lord > > > > merc > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts and > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : > > > > With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his love > > for > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna chart, > > you > > > > get > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > 10'th > > > > house > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, 6'th > > lord > > > > is > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for one to > > be > > > > good > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord > > > > though > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it gives > > > > illness > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > clearly > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > Poorva > > > > Punya > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna Paramhansha > > that > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of Indian > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no connection > > > > between > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who is > > 9'th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation and > > > > binding > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > infamous > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, > > you > > > > get, > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which is a > > > > rarest > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > also, > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count more, > > in > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > religion > > > > and > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon to > > make > > > > it > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th lord > > has > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > limited > > > > to > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you need to > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a siddha > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > awakening > > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within before > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both VakShuddhi > > and > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > Lectures : > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > placed > > > > in > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th house of > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > greatest > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he went > > on > > > > world > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : With > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on his > > 9'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > happened > > > > in > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy > > : > > > > With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for multiple > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > astrology > > > > and > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and 10'th > > lord > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > multiple > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th lord of > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > presence > > > > of > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark in > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > serious > > > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, and > > 7'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord and > > this > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a brahmchari > > and It > > > > has > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord in > > 2nd > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise or > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord Venus, > > this > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to that, > > Jup > > > > is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in 11'th > > house, > > > > So, > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't it, > > This > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > astrologers > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there is > > any > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > saint, > > > > Have > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a sage, > > where > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > Mahapurush > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > serpent > > > > fire > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > could > > > > ignite > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > from > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and 9'th > > lord's > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody w'd > > come > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 // If you ask me Gopi ji,// I am neither asking nor telling Neelam ji but just listening by reading the posted lines.At the same time not reacting.Hope this also makes some kind of sense atleast.... Regards, gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would be any > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or > other-yugees! > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with them is > entirely upto us! > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar energy, > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into ancient > indian astrology! > > Regards > Neelam > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention!// > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > Regards, > > gopi. > > <%40>, > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > wrote: > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > KALIYUGA or > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to > > my > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > -gopi. > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and > > the > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > Just > > > > as > > > > > > your > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and > > where > > > > he > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this > > is > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > > chains of > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > Yogananda > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > CASE > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > Just > > > > as > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > > > given > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > > attention > > > > and > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > > compassion > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > spiritual > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > > please > > > > take > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > > would > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > > > exalted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > > papa > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with > > exal > > > > 9L. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may > > be > > > > a > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > > > Please > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > > water! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which > > no > > > > one > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > of > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > and > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > and > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where > > as > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed > > so > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for > > the > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > > understanding > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > philosophy > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and > > best > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > > self-realized > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on > > this > > > > forum > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! > > In > > > > order > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > > > fingers > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti > > virus > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down > > at > > > > the > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to > > type > > > > our > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > > around, > > > > and > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever > > we > > > > all > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > > > child's > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which > > no > > > > one > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > of > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > and > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > and > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal > > and > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for > > us, > > > > it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > > > How?? > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does > > not > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > > > what > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > > not.Even > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > > > through > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > > THROUGH > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half > > empty > > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee > > -- > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > > could > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > > about > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at > > me, > > > > but > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > > their > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > mentality > > > > often > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > > > left > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > > > their > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of > > us > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > > > that > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > > > himself > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > > > quoted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > > > firm > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should > > ask > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > > floated > > > > the > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > > disciples > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > > > should > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made > > sense > > > > to > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be > > a > > > > SADHU > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend > > to > > > > RUN > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > > instance! > > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in > > which > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave > > a > > > > value > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > > approximate > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein > > as > > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought > > this > > > > to > > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > > Yukteshwar > > > > was > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > > di > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > > > vanished > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > > > this > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story > > or > > > > keep > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > > unwashed > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > > there > > > > and > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy > > tale > > > > of > > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use > > the > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value > > of > > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by > > BV > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The > > Holy > > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to > > the > > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated > > the > > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > > YUGA > > > > cycles > > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > > > precision > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of > > 54 " > > > > per > > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not > > take > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > > because > > > > it is > > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > left > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > > day > > > > to > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > > open > > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > lagna > > > > chart > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > death > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > > > reasons > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > > authentic > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > > eminent > > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart > > was > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > > just > > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > > > permission > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested > > to > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get > > to > > > > > > prove > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in > > 2nd > > > > H of > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in > > 2nd > > > > in > > > > > > sat's > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L > > in a > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > > > stick > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can > > not > > > > wish > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > > > > falls > > > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna > > falls > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th > > lord > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > 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teachings/ > > > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > > > > mahasamadhi > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and > > when > > > > > > humanity > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In @ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > Chart : > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of > > respect > > > > to > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are > > going > > > > to > > > > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of > > Swami > > > > Ji > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > > > > mother > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar > > by > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao > > and > > > > says > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that > > he > > > > lived > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > > Singh > > > > > > narrates > > > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his > > close > > > > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > > > Swami Ji > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > > > Sankranti > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > > Singh > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and > > how > > > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > > > written > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his > > book > > > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. Nobody tried > > to > > > > > > validate > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun > > moves > > > > to > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could > > be > > > > the > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be > > correct > > > > birth > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > > > > convinced > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > > > > noon, he > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that > > was > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his > > book > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > > > > Srimali > > > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take > > Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > was > > > > born > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January > > 1863, > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name > > Narendranath > > > > Datta. > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High > > Court. > > > > He > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive > > outlook > > > > in > > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi > > was > > > > pious > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > > > Varanasi > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the > > validity > > > > of > > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > > > ground > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's > > Generosity > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and > > even > > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > > > with > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > > > such a > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > left > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > > when > > > > day > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > > an > > > > open > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > lagna > > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > > death > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > > father > > > > and > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > > Influence > > > > and > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction > > due to > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > > 11'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > > placement > > > > for > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > > lasting > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on > > 4'th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > > > receives > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > > > Swami > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > > Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar > > Lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord > > moon > > > > in > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > > > problems > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > > becomes > > > > cause > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > > lord > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > > moon is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying > > if > > > > Moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > > Taking > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > > various > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > receives > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > education > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > > education, > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, > > Swami > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > > sciences, > > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > > undergone > > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > > never > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > You > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > > 9'th > > > > lord > > > > > > merc > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts > > and > > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > > Sickness : > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his > > love > > > > for > > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > > > 10'th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > > 6'th > > > > lord > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for > > one to > > > > be > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th > > lord > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > > gives > > > > > > illness > > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > > > Poorva > > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > Paramhansha > > > > that > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > > Indian > > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > connection > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who > > is > > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation > > and > > > > > > binding > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > > > infamous > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which > > is a > > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > > > also, > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count > > more, > > > > in > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > > > religion > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon > > to > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th > > lord > > > > has > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > > > limited > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > > need to > > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a > > siddha > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > > awakening > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > > before > > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > > VakShuddhi > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > > house of > > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he > > went > > > > on > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > > chart, > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : > > With > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on > > his > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > > > happened > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > > Poligamy > > > > : > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > > multiple > > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > > 10'th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > > lord of > > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > > > presence > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark > > in > > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > > > serious > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, > > and > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord > > and > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > > brahmchari > > > > and It > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire > > Vs > > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord > > in > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise > > or > > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > > chart, > > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > > Venus, > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to > > that, > > > > Jup > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > > 11'th > > > > house, > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't > > it, > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there > > is > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > > > saint, > > > > > > Have > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a > > sage, > > > > where > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar > > Lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > > Mahapurush > > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > > > serpent > > > > > > fire > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > > > could > > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > > > from > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and > > 9'th > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 yes for sure. gopi. , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Ask your SAD_GURU, Gopi_babu! You do have one, right? > > > > , " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention!// > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > Regards, > > gopi. > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > wrote: > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > KALIYUGA or > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to > > my > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and > > the > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > Just > > > > as > > > > > > your > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and > > where > > > > he > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this > > is > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > > chains of > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > Yogananda > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > CASE > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > Just > > > > as > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > > > given > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > > attention > > > > and > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > > compassion > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > spiritual > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > > please > > > > take > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > > would > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > > > exalted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > > papa > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with > > exal > > > > 9L. > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may > > be > > > > a > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40>, > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > > > Please > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > > water! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which > > no > > > > one > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > of > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > and > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > and > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where > > as > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed > > so > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for > > the > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > > understanding > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > philosophy > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and > > best > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > > self-realized > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on > > this > > > > forum > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! > > In > > > > order > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > > > fingers > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti > > virus > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down > > at > > > > the > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to > > type > > > > our > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > > around, > > > > and > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever > > we > > > > all > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > > > child's > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which > > no > > > > one > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > of > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > and > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > and > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal > > and > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for > > us, > > > > it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > > > How?? > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > > > , > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does > > not > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > > > what > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > > not.Even > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > > > through > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > > THROUGH > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half > > empty > > > > and > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee > > -- > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > > could > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > > about > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at > > me, > > > > but > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > > their > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > mentality > > > > often > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > > > left > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > > > their > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of > > us > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > > > that > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > > > himself > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > > > quoted > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > > > firm > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should > > ask > > > > for > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > > floated > > > > the > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > > disciples > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > > > should > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made > > sense > > > > to > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be > > a > > > > SADHU > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend > > to > > > > RUN > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > > instance! > > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in > > which > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave > > a > > > > value > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > > approximate > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein > > as > > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought > > this > > > > to > > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > > Yukteshwar > > > > was > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > > di > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > > > vanished > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > > > this > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story > > or > > > > keep > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > > unwashed > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > > there > > > > and > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy > > tale > > > > of > > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use > > the > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value > > of > > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by > > BV > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The > > Holy > > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to > > the > > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated > > the > > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > > YUGA > > > > cycles > > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > > > precision > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of > > 54 " > > > > per > > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not > > take > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > > because > > > > it is > > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > left > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > > day > > > > to > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > > open > > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > lagna > > > > chart > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > death > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > > > reasons > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > > authentic > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > > eminent > > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart > > was > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > > just > > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > > > permission > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested > > to > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get > > to > > > > > > prove > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in > > 2nd > > > > H of > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in > > 2nd > > > > in > > > > > > sat's > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L > > in a > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > > > stick > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can > > not > > > > wish > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, lagna > > > > falls > > > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th > > lord > > > > Sun > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L/L in a mov sign and > > 8th L > > > > in > > > > > > > > common > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna.I have 8thL > > in > > > > 12th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days you > > give > > > > for > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to > > find > > > > out > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna > > falls > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th > > lord > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. 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> > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that > > 7'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he > > made up > > > > his > > > > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In @ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > Chart : > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > > > written > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his > > book > > > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > > > 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Nobody tried > > to > > > > > > validate > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the day of Makar > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > begins at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise, and Sun > > moves > > > > to > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > noon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > puzzles what could > > be > > > > the > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100 yrs ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be > > correct > > > > birth > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > > > > convinced > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or before > > > > noon, he > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that > > was > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > 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Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take > > Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > > was > > > > born > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January > > 1863, > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name > > Narendranath > > > > Datta. > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High > > Court. > > > > He > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive > > outlook > > > > in > > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi > > was > > > > pious > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > > > Varanasi > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the > > validity > > > > of > > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > > > ground > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's > > Generosity > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and > > even > > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > > > with > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > > > such a > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > left > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > > when > > > > day > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > > an > > > > open > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > lagna > > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > > death > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > > father > > > > and > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > > Influence > > > > and > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction > > due to > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > > 11'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > > placement > > > > for > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > > lasting > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on > > 4'th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > > > receives > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > > > Swami > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > > Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar > > Lagna > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord > > moon > > > > in > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > > > problems > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > > becomes > > > > cause > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > > lord > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > > moon is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying > > if > > > > Moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > > Taking > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > > various > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > receives > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > education > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > > education, > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, > > Swami > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > > sciences, > > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > > undergone > > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > > never > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > You > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > > 9'th > > > > lord > > > > > > merc > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts > > and > > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > > Sickness : > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his > > love > > > > for > > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > > chart, > > > > you > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > > > 10'th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > > 6'th > > > > lord > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for > > one to > > > > be > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th > > lord > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > > gives > > > > > > illness > > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > > > Poorva > > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > Paramhansha > > > > that > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > > Indian > > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > connection > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who > > is > > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation > > and > > > > > > binding > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which > > is a > > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > > > also, > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count > > more, > > > > in > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > > > religion > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon > > to > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th > > lord > > > > has > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > > > limited > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > > need to > > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a > > siddha > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > > awakening > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > > before > > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > > VakShuddhi > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > > > placed > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > > house of > > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he > > went > > > > on > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > > chart, > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : > > With > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on > > his > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > > > happened > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > > Poligamy > > > > : > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > > multiple > > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > > 10'th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > > lord of > > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > > > presence > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark > > in > > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > > > serious > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, > > and > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord > > and > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > > brahmchari > > > > and It > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire > > Vs > > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord > > in > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise > > or > > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > > chart, > > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > > Venus, > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to > > that, > > > > Jup > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > > 11'th > > > > house, > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't > > it, > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there > > is > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > > > saint, > > > > > > Have > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a > > sage, > > > > where > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > > > could > > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > > > from > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and > > 9'th > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 yes for sure Neelam ji ,totally agree with you.... Regards, gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Thanks Rohini jee for making sense of what I said! > However, the question always remains, specially with us Jyotishis, is WHO > GETS WHAT? > And that's the tragedy/comedy/whatever of life, of Jyotish!!:-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > On 1 February 2010 13:23, rohinicrystal jyotish_vani wrote: > > > > > > > WOW! > > > > Looking in a telescoped sense (temporally-speaking), my father loved me as > > much as I love my children! > > > > All that changed over the DECADES and more was the WRITING and READING and > > the words and expressions! > > > > Thank you Neelam_jee for making the obvious so simple and vice versa! I > > hope I am not the only one who is " getting it! " > > > > <%40>, > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would be > > any > > > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or > > > other-yugees! > > > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with them is > > > entirely upto us! > > > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar energy, > > > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > > > > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into ancient > > > indian astrology! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > > > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > attention!// > > > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > <%40><% > > 40>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > > > KALIYUGA or > > > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother > > to > > > > my > > > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > --- In <%40><JyotishGrou\ p% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and > > > > the > > > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > > > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40><JyotishGrou\ p% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > > > Just > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and > > > > where > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this > > > > is > > > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > > > > chains of > > > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > > > Yogananda > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > > > CASE > > > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ....!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > > > > Just > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who > > was > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > > > > attention > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > > > > compassion > > > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > > > > please > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > > > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > > > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded > > by > > > > > > papa > > > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with > > > > exal > > > > > > 9L. > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there > > may > > > > be > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, > > Gopi_jee! > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > > > > water! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > , > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which > > > > no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > > > and > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself > > where > > > > as > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > , > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are > > indeed > > > > so > > > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > > > philosophy > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and > > > > best > > > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > > > > self-realized > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on > > > > this > > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! > > > > In > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti > > > > virus > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to > > > > type > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > > > > around, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever > > > > we > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and > > the > > > > > > child's > > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which > > > > no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > > > > and > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal > > > > and > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for > > > > us, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > > > > > How?? > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > , > > > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also > > see > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > > > > not.Even > > > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > > > > THROUGH > > > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In (AT) (DOT) > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half > > > > empty > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, > > Gopi_jee > > > > -- > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > > > > could > > > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* > > for > > > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > > > > about > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset > > at > > > > me, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > > > mentality > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what > > the > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all > > of > > > > us > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a > > hoax > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who > > as > > > > > > quoted > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least > > a > > > > > > firm > > > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should > > > > ask > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > > > > floated > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > > > > disciples > > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made > > > > sense > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would > > be > > > > a > > > > > > SADHU > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend > > > > to > > > > > > RUN > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > > > > instance! > > > > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in > > > > which > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and > > gave > > > > a > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > > > > approximate > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein > > > > as > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought > > > > this > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > > > > Yukteshwar > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > > > > di > > > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > > > > > vanished > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I > > consider > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full > > story > > > > or > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > > > > unwashed > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > > > > there > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy > > > > tale > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use > > > > the > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value > > > > of > > > > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended > > by > > > > BV > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for > > the > > > > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring > > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > > > > YUGA > > > > > > cycles > > > > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > > > > > precision > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value > > of > > > > 54 " > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not > > > > take > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > > > > because > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be > > shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In @ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > > > left > > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > > when > > > > day > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > > death > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some > > good > > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not > > agree > > > > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > > > > eminent > > > > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart > > > > was > > > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > > > > just > > > > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > > > > > permission > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not > > interested > > > > to > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we > > get > > > > to > > > > > > > > prove > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > > > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in > > > > 2nd > > > > > > H of > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars was in > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > > > > > > teachings/ > > > > > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > > > > > > mahasamadhi > > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and > > > > when > > > > > > > > humanity > > > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In @ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' > > s > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of > > > > respect > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > was > > > > > > pious > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > > > > > Varanasi > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the > > > > validity > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family > > back > > > > > > ground > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's > > > > Generosity > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of > > 48, > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, > > can > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > > > > left > > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > > > > when > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > > > > an > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > > > > father > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > > > > Influence > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > > > > placement > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > > > > lasting > > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the > > superb > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death > > : > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord > > > > moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > > > > becomes > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > > > > lord > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > > > > moon is > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one > > of > > > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying > > > > if > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > > > > Taking > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > > > receives > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > > > education > > > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, > > > > Swami > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > > > > sciences, > > > > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > > > > undergone > > > > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > > > > never > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > merc > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts > > > > and > > > > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > > > > Sickness : > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his > > > > love > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and > > from > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > > > > 6'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for > > > > one to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > > > > gives > > > > > > > > illness > > > > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > > > > > Poorva > > > > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > Paramhansha > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > connection > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who > > > > is > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great > > temptation > > > > and > > > > > > > > binding > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > > > > > infamous > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which > > > > is a > > > > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count > > > > more, > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > > > > > religion > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon > > > > to > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th > > > > lord > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > > > > > limited > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a > > > > siddha > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > > > > awakening > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > > > > before > > > > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > > > > VakShuddhi > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > > > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > > > > house of > > > > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he > > > > went > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > > > > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : > > > > With > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on > > > > his > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > > > > Poligamy > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > > > > 10'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > > > > lord of > > > > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > > > > > presence > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord > > > > and > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > > > > brahmchari > > > > > > and It > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire > > > > Vs > > > > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th > > lord > > > > in > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > > > > Venus, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to > > > > that, > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > > > > 11'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't > > > > it, > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. 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> > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > > > > Mahapurush > > > > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > > > > > serpent > > > > > > > > fire > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this > > mars > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dear Gopi ji, I know you were neither asking not telling!! :-) //If you ask me....// ... just a matter of fact way of beginning to say something! I was not really invoking any response! Not even trying! Just thinking aloud may be, in this august forum! Regards Neelam On 1 February 2010 14:35, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > // If you ask me Gopi ji,// > I am neither asking nor telling Neelam ji but just listening by reading > the posted lines.At the same time not reacting.Hope this also makes some > kind of sense atleast.... > Regards, > gopi. > <%40>, > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > wrote: > > > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would > be any > > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or > > other-yugees! > > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with them is > > entirely upto us! > > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar > energy, > > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into ancient > > indian astrology! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > attention!// > > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > > KALIYUGA or > > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > attention! > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine > Mother to > > > my > > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures > it > > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " > or > > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid > and > > > the > > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL > go! > > > Just > > > > > as > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when > and > > > where > > > > > he > > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and > this > > > is > > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > > > chains of > > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > > Yogananda > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > > CASE > > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL > go! > > > Just > > > > > as > > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who > was > > > > > given > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > > > attention > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > > > compassion > > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > > spiritual > > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of > this > > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point > on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > > > please > > > > > take > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > > > would > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots > of > > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My > yogic > > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord > is > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy > sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > > > papa > > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated > with > > > exal > > > > > 9L. > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there > may > > > be > > > > > a > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, > Gopi_jee! > > > > > Please > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > > > water! > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > , > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul > which > > > no > > > > > one > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the > words > > > of > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a > Gospel > > > and > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the > NORMAL > > > and > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my > own > > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself > where > > > as > > > > > you > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > , > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are > indeed > > > so > > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and > unitary > > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful > for > > > the > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > > philosophy > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions > and > > > best > > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > > > self-realized > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable > on > > > this > > > > > forum > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in > reality! > > > In > > > > > order > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use > their > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the > anti > > > virus > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us > down > > > at > > > > > the > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind > to > > > type > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this > filthy, > > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > > > around, > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, > whatever > > > we > > > > > all > > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and > the > > > > > child's > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul > which > > > no > > > > > one > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the > words > > > of > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a > Gospel > > > and > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the > NORMAL > > > and > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very > frugal > > > and > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential > for > > > us, > > > > > it > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced > SOUL? > > > > > How?? > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on > this > > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > , > > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul > does > > > not > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also > see > > > > > what > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is > irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu > Lagna > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > > > not.Even > > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or > even > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, > Gopi_da, > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > > > THROUGH > > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is > half > > > empty > > > > > and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, > Gopi_jee > > > -- > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > > > could > > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* > for > > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > > > about > > > > > your > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... > jun/jul.. > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get > upset at > > > me, > > > > > but > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours > such a > > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive > on > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > > > their > > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > > mentality > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what > the > > > > > left > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments > for > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased > all of > > > us > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a > hoax > > > > > that > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! > He > > > > > himself > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar > who as > > > > > quoted > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at > least a > > > > > firm > > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he > should > > > ask > > > > > for > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > > > floated > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > > > disciples > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's > birthdata > > > > > should > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have > made > > > sense > > > > > to > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that > would be > > > a > > > > > SADHU > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do > tend > > > to > > > > > RUN > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > > > instance! > > > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 > in > > > which > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and > gave > > > a > > > > > value > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > > > approximate > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform > rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person > equated > > > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned > an > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same > vein > > > as > > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I > brought > > > this > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > > > Yukteshwar > > > > > was > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > > > di > > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person > simply > > > > > vanished > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I > consider > > > > > this > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full > story > > > or > > > > > keep > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > > > unwashed > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > > > there > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some > fairy > > > tale > > > > > of > > > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you > use > > > the > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern > value > > > of > > > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently > recommended by > > > BV > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, > The > > > Holy > > > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for > the > > > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was > referring to > > > the > > > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have > calculated > > > the > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > > > YUGA > > > > > cycles > > > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too > much > > > > > > > precision > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate > value of > > > 54 " > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do > not > > > take > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > > > because > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be > shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death > that > > > left > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > when > > > day > > > > > to > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > an > > > open > > > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's > father's > > > death > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some > good > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the > lagna > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > > > authentic > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not > agree > > > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > > > eminent > > > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his > chart > > > was > > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > > > just > > > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till > the > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > Though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devakinandan is > > > > > convinced > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - at noon or > before > > > > > noon, he > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but > that > > > was > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in > his > > > book > > > > > > > along > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan > Datt > > > > > Srimali > > > > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take > > > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > Vivekananda > > > was > > > > > born > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Father's > > > Generosity > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings > and > > > even > > > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of > 48, > > > > > with > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, > can > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death > that > > > left > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate > poverty, > > > when > > > > > day > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge > and > > > an > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate > Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's > father's > > > > > death > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > > > father > > > > > and > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > > > Influence > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's > affliction > > > due to > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > > > 11'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > > > placement > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > > > lasting > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects > on > > > 4'th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, > which > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the > superb > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's > death : > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > > > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with > Makar > > > Lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th > lord > > > moon > > > > > in > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses > states > > > > > problems > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > > > becomes > > > > > cause > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > > > lord > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > > > moon is > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my > one of > > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash > saying > > > if > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > > > Taking > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > > > various > > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : > With > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > > receives > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > > education > > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > > > education, > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to > this, > > > Swami > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > > > sciences, > > > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed > in > > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > > > undergone > > > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > > > never > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > You > > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > > > 9'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > merc > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, > arts > > > and > > > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > > > Sickness : > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for > his > > > love > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > > > chart, > > > > > you > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and > from > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > > > 6'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration > for > > > one to > > > > > be > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, > 6'th > > > lord > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > > > gives > > > > > > > illness > > > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th > house, > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > connection > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun > who > > > is > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great > temptation > > > and > > > > > > > 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> > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, > which > > > is a > > > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th > lord > > > > > also, > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, > Count 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and > 8'th > > > lord > > > > > has > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, > It's > > > > > limited > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > > > need to > > > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, > with > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji > a > > > siddha > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > > > awakening > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > > > before > > > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > > > VakShuddhi > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour > and > > > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun > is > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > > > house of > > > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he > became > > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, > he > > > went > > > > > on > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > > > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and > lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death > : > > > With > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit > on > > > his > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death > also > > > > > happened > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > > > Poligamy > > > > > : > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > > > 10'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship > with > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > > > lord of > > > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and > ignore > > > > > presence > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question > mark > > > in > > > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have > a > > > > > serious > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th > house, > > > and > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna > lord > > > and > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > > > brahmchari > > > > > and It > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business > Empire > > > Vs > > > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th > lord > > > in > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > enterprise > > > or > > > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > > > chart, > > > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > > > Venus, > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further > to > > > that, > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > > > 11'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, > isn't > > > it, > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of > those > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, > there > > > is > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > Vivekananda a > > > > > saint, > > > > > > > Have > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a > > > sage, > > > > > where > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at > Makar > > > Lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > > > Mahapurush > > > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the > divine > > > > > serpent > > > > > > > fire > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dear Neelam ji, Thanks.I know that but i am also just responding to you in my own way in a lighter vein.You Can(t) keep everybody quiet and you know you were addresing me.There is a thing called courtesy you know.... // Just thinking aloud > may be, in this august forum!// there you are....In the mind!!(Moon) Regards, gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Gopi ji, > > I know you were neither asking not telling!! :-) > > //If you ask me....// ... just a matter of fact way of beginning to say > something! > I was not really invoking any response! Not even trying! Just thinking aloud > may be, in this august forum! > > Regards > Neelam > > > > On 1 February 2010 14:35, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > // If you ask me Gopi ji,// > > I am neither asking nor telling Neelam ji but just listening by reading > > the posted lines.At the same time not reacting.Hope this also makes some > > kind of sense atleast.... > > Regards, > > gopi. > > <%40>, > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > wrote: > > > > > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would > > be any > > > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or > > > other-yugees! > > > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with them is > > > entirely upto us! > > > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar > > energy, > > > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > > > > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into ancient > > > indian astrology! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > > > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > attention!// > > > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > > > KALIYUGA or > > > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > attention! > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine > > Mother to > > > > my > > > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures > > it > > > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " > > or > > > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid > > and > > > > the > > > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > > > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL > > go! > > > > Just > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when > > and > > > > where > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and > > this > > > > is > > > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > > > > chains of > > > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > > > Yogananda > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > > > CASE > > > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ....!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL > > go! > > > > Just > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who > > was > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > > > > attention > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > > > > compassion > > > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of > > this > > > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point > > on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > > > > please > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > > > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > > > > would > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots > > of > > > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My > > yogic > > > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord > > is > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy > > sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > > > > papa > > > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated > > with > > > > exal > > > > > > 9L. > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there > > may > > > > be > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, > > Gopi_jee! > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > > > > water! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > , > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul > > which > > > > no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the > > words > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a > > Gospel > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the > > NORMAL > > > > and > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself > > where > > > > as > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > , > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are > > indeed > > > > so > > > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and > > unitary > > > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > > > philosophy > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions > > and > > > > best > > > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > > > > self-realized > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable > > on > > > > this > > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in > > reality! > > > > In > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use > > their > > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the > > anti > > > > virus > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us > > down > > > > at > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind > > to > > > > type > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this > > filthy, > > > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > > > > around, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, > > whatever > > > > we > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and > > the > > > > > > child's > > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul > > which > > > > no > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the > > words > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a > > Gospel > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the > > NORMAL > > > > and > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very > > frugal > > > > and > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential > > for > > > > us, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced > > SOUL? > > > > > > How?? > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on > > this > > > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > , > > > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul > > does > > > > not > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also > > see > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is > > irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu > > Lagna > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > > > > not.Even > > > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or > > even > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, > > Gopi_da, > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > > com, > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > > > > THROUGH > > > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is > > half > > > > empty > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, > > Gopi_jee > > > > -- > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > > > > could > > > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* > > for > > > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > > > > about > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... > > jun/jul.. > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get > > upset at > > > > me, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours > > such a > > > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive > > on > > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > > > mentality > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what > > the > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments > > for > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased > > all of > > > > us > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a > > hoax > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! > > He > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar > > who as > > > > > > quoted > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at > > least a > > > > > > firm > > > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he > > should > > > > ask > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > > > > floated > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > > > > disciples > > > > > > etc, > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's > > birthdata > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have > > made > > > > sense > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that > > would be > > > > a > > > > > > SADHU > > > > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do > > tend > > > > to > > > > > > RUN > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > > > > instance! > > > > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 > > in > > > > which > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and > > gave > > > > a > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > > > > approximate > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform > > rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person > > equated > > > > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned > > an > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same > > vein > > > > as > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I > > brought > > > > this > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > > > > Yukteshwar > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > > > > di > > > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person > > simply > > > > > > vanished > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I > > consider > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full > > story > > > > or > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > > > > unwashed > > > > > > > > must > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > > > > there > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some > > fairy > > > > tale > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you > > use > > > > the > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern > > value > > > > of > > > > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently > > recommended by > > > > BV > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, > > The > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for > > the > > > > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was > > referring to > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have > > calculated > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > > > > YUGA > > > > > > cycles > > > > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too > > much > > > > > > > > precision > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate > > value of > > > > 54 " > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do > > not > > > > take > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > > an > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > > > > lagna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's > > father's > > > > death > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some > > good > > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the > > lagna > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > > > > authentic > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not > > agree > > > > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > > > > eminent > > > > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his > > chart > > > > was > > > > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > > > > just > > > > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till > > the > > > > > > > > permission > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not > > interested > > > > to > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we > > get > > > > to > > > > > > > > prove > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > > > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka > > in > > > > 2nd > > > > > > H of > > > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL > > in > > > > 2nd > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > sat's > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon > > 9L > > > > in a > > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you > > want to > > > > > > stick > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you > > can > > > > not > > > > > > wish > > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //withMakar Lagna, > > lagna > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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and > > > > > > > > > > i am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 57yrs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years/months/ days > > you > > > > give > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life/death.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In @ > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying > > to > > > > find > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna > > > > falls > > > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his > > 8'th > > > > lord > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. > > On > > > > the > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > death, 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > july > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1902, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ekadashi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when his Lagna as > > well > > > > as > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > 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Mother's > > > > Influence > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's > > affliction > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > > > > placement > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > > > > lasting > > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects > > on > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, > > which > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the > > superb > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's > > death : > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with > > Makar > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th > > lord > > > > moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses > > states > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > > > > becomes > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > > > > lord > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > > > > moon is > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my > > one of > > > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash > > saying > > > > if > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > > > > Taking > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : > > With > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > > > receives > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > > > education > > > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to > > this, > > > > Swami > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > > > > sciences, > > > > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed > > in > > > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > > > > undergone > > > > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > > > > never > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > merc > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, > > arts > > > > and > > > > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > > > > Sickness : > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for > > his > > > > love > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and > > from > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > > > > 6'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration > > for > > > > one to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, > > 6'th > > > > lord > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > > > > gives > > > > > > > > illness > > > > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th > > house, > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality > > and > > > > > > Poorva > > > > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > Paramhansha > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > > > > connection > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun > > who > > > > is > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great > > temptation > > > > and > > > > > > > > binding > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house > > is > > > > > > infamous > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, > > which > > > > is a > > > > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th > > lord > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, > > with > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji > > a > > > > siddha > > > > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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World Tour > > and > > > > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun > > is > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > > > > house of > > > > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he > > became > > > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, > > he > > > > went > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > > > > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and > > lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. 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Celibacy Vs > > > > Poligamy > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Business > > Empire > > > > Vs > > > > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th > > lord > > > > in > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > enterprise > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > > > > Venus, > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further > > to > > > > that, > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > > > > 11'th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, > > isn't > > > > it, > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of > > those > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. 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> > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at > > Makar > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > > > > Mahapurush > > > > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Ha ha! Gopi ji! I wish I were an Amavasya born! May be many more lives needed! to BE! Regards Neelam On 1 February 2010 15:22, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Neelam ji, > Thanks.I know that but i am also just responding to you in my own way in > a lighter vein.You Can(t) keep everybody quiet and you know you were > addresing me.There is a thing called courtesy you know.... > // Just thinking aloud > > may be, in this august forum!// > there you are....In the mind!!(Moon) > Regards, > gopi. > <%40>, > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > I know you were neither asking not telling!! :-) > > > > //If you ask me....// ... just a matter of fact way of beginning to > say > > something! > > I was not really invoking any response! Not even trying! Just thinking > aloud > > may be, in this august forum! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 14:35, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > // If you ask me Gopi ji,// > > > I am neither asking nor telling Neelam ji but just listening by > reading > > > the posted lines.At the same time not reacting.Hope this also makes > some > > > kind of sense atleast.... > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there > would > > > be any > > > > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or > > > > other-yugees! > > > > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with > them is > > > > entirely upto us! > > > > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar > > > energy, > > > > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > > > > > > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into > ancient > > > > indian astrology! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > // > > > > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > > > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > > attention!// > > > > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > > > > KALIYUGA or > > > > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > > attention! > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of > charts(our > > > > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine > > > Mother to > > > > > my > > > > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many > CULTures > > > it > > > > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be > " aired " > > > or > > > > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and > fluid > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or > incarcerated > > > > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it > ALL > > > go! > > > > > Just > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know > when > > > and > > > > > where > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this > and > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all > the > > > > > chains of > > > > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > > > > Yogananda > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > > > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > > > > CASE > > > > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January > ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it > ALL > > > go! > > > > > Just > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and > wrath > > > > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE > who > > > was > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such > spiritual > > > > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are > paying > > > > > attention > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, > did > > > > > > > compassion > > > > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death > of > > > this > > > > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point > > > on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain > only.So > > > > > please > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of > MIND > > > > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. > That > > > > > would > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! > Lots > > > of > > > > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN > and > > > > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right > way.My > > > yogic > > > > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind > is > > > > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna > lord > > > is > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy > > > sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > > > > > papa > > > > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and > debilitated > > > with > > > > > exal > > > > > > > 9L. > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So > there > > > may > > > > > be > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, > > > Gopi_jee! > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to > walk on > > > > > water! > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul > > > which > > > > > no > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting > the > > > words > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a > > > Gospel > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the > > > NORMAL > > > > > and > > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR > MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in > my > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask > myself > > > where > > > > > as > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > > > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, > are > > > indeed > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and > > > unitary > > > > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever > grateful > > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures > and > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > > > > philosophy > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract > descriptions > > > and > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who > is > > > > > > > self-realized > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that > lable > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in > > > reality! > > > > > In > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to > use > > > their > > > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the > > > anti > > > > > virus > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing > us > > > down > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and > mind > > > to > > > > > type > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this > > > filthy, > > > > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our > children > > > > > around, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, > > > whatever > > > > > we > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, > and > > > the > > > > > > > child's > > > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul > > > which > > > > > no > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting > the > > > words > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a > > > Gospel > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the > > > NORMAL > > > > > and > > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR > MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > > > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very > > > frugal > > > > > and > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were > unessential > > > for > > > > > us, > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly > experienced > > > SOUL? > > > > > > > How?? > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born > on > > > this > > > > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, > Soul > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can > also > > > see > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is > > > irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 > 7:31:03 > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: > Swami > > > > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu > > > Lagna > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind > is > > > > > not.Even > > > > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said > MANO > > > > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical > eye?or > > > even > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, > > > Gopi_da, > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as > an > > > > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT > NOT > > > > > THROUGH > > > > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is > > > half > > > > > empty > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any > obligation.. > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, > > > Gopi_jee > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one > who > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing > exercises* > > > for > > > > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have > forgotten > > > > > about > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have > not > > > > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... > > > jun/jul.. > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get > > > upset at > > > > > me, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience > and > > > > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours > > > such a > > > > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants > thrive > > > on > > > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) > Information is > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > > > > mentality > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know > what > > > the > > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political > embarassments > > > for > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have > teased > > > all of > > > > > us > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is > actually a > > > hoax > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to > Yogananda! > > > He > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as > Yukteshwar > > > who as > > > > > > > quoted > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at > > > least a > > > > > > > firm > > > > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he > > > should > > > > > ask > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if > you > > > use > > > > > the > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more > modern > > > value > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! > It is > > > > > > > interesting > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's > > > father's > > > > > death > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given > some > > > good > > > > > > > reasons > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What > do we > > > get > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > prove > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego > gets > > > > > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' > s > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars > was > > > in > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls > note > > > that > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night 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Mother's > > > > > Influence > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's > > > affliction > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord > Jup in > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not > a > > > > > placement > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and > a > > > > > lasting > > > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > aspects > > > on > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > itself, > > > which > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies > the > > > superb > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's > > > death : > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, > with > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with > > > Makar > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts > 7'th > > > lord > > > > > moon > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses > > > states > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > moon > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, > 3rd > > > > > lord > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own > chart, > > > > > moon is > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, > my > > > one of > > > > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash > > > saying > > > > > if > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > death, > > > > > Taking > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given > in > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education > : > > > With > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > > > > receives > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > technical > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to > > > this, > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, > Social > > > > > > > sciences, > > > > > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well > versed > > > in > > > > > > > > > classical > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > > > > > undergone > > > > > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th > can > > > > > never > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > > > > > Astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > with > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > merc > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > literature, > > > arts > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports > and > > > > > Sickness : > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence > for > > > his > > > > > love > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > 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> > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > Paramhansha > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 > sages of > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > itself, > > > which > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is > 10'th > > > lord > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the > 11'th > > > > > lord of > > > > > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and > > > ignore > > > > > > > presence > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > question > > > mark > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's > have > > > a > > > > > > > serious > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th > > > house, > > > > > and > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > lagna > > > lord > > > > > and > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > > > > > brahmchari > > > > > > > and It > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, > Further > > > to > > > > > that, > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed > in > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 No clue Neelam ji, any way what is so special about amavasya according to you?Its good for spiritual practices.Is it not?I also wish your wish will be fulfilled in the very next birth itself... Regards, gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Ha ha! Gopi ji! > I wish I were an Amavasya born! > May be many more lives needed! to BE! > > Regards > Neelam > > On 1 February 2010 15:22, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > Thanks.I know that but i am also just responding to you in my own way in > > a lighter vein.You Can(t) keep everybody quiet and you know you were > > addresing me.There is a thing called courtesy you know.... > > // Just thinking aloud > > > may be, in this august forum!// > > there you are....In the mind!!(Moon) > > Regards, > > gopi. > > <%40>, > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > I know you were neither asking not telling!! :-) > > > > > > //If you ask me....// ... just a matter of fact way of beginning to > > say > > > something! > > > I was not really invoking any response! Not even trying! Just thinking > > aloud > > > may be, in this august forum! > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 14:35, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If you ask me Gopi ji,// > > > > I am neither asking nor telling Neelam ji but just listening by > > reading > > > > the posted lines.At the same time not reacting.Hope this also makes > > some > > > > kind of sense atleast.... > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there > > would > > > > be any > > > > > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or > > > > > other-yugees! > > > > > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with > > them is > > > > > entirely upto us! > > > > > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar > > > > energy, > > > > > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > > > > > > > > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into > > ancient > > > > > indian astrology! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > // > > > > > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > > > > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > > > attention!// > > > > > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > > > > > > KALIYUGA or > > > > > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > > > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > > > attention! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of > > charts(our > > > > > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine > > > > Mother to > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many > > CULTures > > > > it > > > > > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be > > " aired " > > > > or > > > > > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and > > fluid > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or > > incarcerated > > > > > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it > > ALL > > > > go! > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know > > when > > > > and > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this > > and > > > > this > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all > > the > > > > > > chains of > > > > > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > > > > > > Yogananda > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > > > > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > > > > > CASE > > > > > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January > > ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it > > ALL > > > > go! > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > <%40><% > > 40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and > > wrath > > > > > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE > > who > > > > was > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such > > spiritual > > > > > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are > > paying > > > > > > attention > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, > > did > > > > > > > > compassion > > > > > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death > > of > > > > this > > > > > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point > > > > on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain > > only.So > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of > > MIND > > > > > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. > > That > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! > > Lots > > > > of > > > > > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN > > and > > > > > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right > > way.My > > > > yogic > > > > > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > > > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind > > is > > > > > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna > > lord > > > > is > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy > > > > sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > > > > > > papa > > > > > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and > > debilitated > > > > with > > > > > > exal > > > > > > > > 9L. > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So > > there > > > > may > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, > > > > Gopi_jee! > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to > > walk on > > > > > > water! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul > > > > which > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting > > the > > > > words > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a > > > > Gospel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the > > > > NORMAL > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR > > MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in > > my > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask > > myself > > > > where > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > > > > > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, > > are > > > > indeed > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and > > > > unitary > > > > > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever > > grateful > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures > > and > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > > > > > > philosophy > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract > > descriptions > > > > and > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who > > is > > > > > > > > self-realized > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that > > lable > > > > on > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in > > > > reality! > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to > > use > > > > their > > > > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the > > > > anti > > > > > > virus > > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing > > us > > > > down > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and > > mind > > > > to > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this > > > > filthy, > > > > > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our > > children > > > > > > around, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, > > > > whatever > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, > > and > > > > the > > > > > > > > child's > > > > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul > > > > which > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting > > the > > > > words > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a > > > > Gospel > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the > > > > NORMAL > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR > > MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > > > > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very > > > > frugal > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were > > unessential > > > > for > > > > > > us, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly > > experienced > > > > SOUL? > > > > > > > > How?? > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born > > on > > > > this > > > > > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, > > Soul > > > > does > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can > > also > > > > see > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is > > > > irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > <%40> > > <%40><% > > > > 40> > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 > > 7:31:03 > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: > > Swami > > > > > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu > > > > Lagna > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind > > is > > > > > > not.Even > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said > > MANO > > > > > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical > > eye?or > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, > > > > Gopi_da, > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as > > an > > > > > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > . > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT > > NOT > > > > > > THROUGH > > > > > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > . > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is > > > > half > > > > > > empty > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any > > obligation.. > > > > 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> > > More *breathing > > exercises* > > > > for > > > > > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In @ > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have > > forgotten > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get > > > > upset at > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience > > and > > > > > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours > > > > such a > > > > > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants > > thrive > > > > on > > > > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) > > Information is > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > > > > > > mentality > > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know > > what > > > > the > > > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political > > embarassments > > > > for > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as > > Yukteshwar > > > > who as > > > > > > > > quoted > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at > > > > least a > > > > > > > > firm > > > > > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he > > > > should > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > an > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > @ > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are > > trying > > > > to > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, > > lagna > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, > > his > > > > 8'th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami > > Ji. > > > > On > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas, Mars > > was > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls > > note > > > > that > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > challenge > > > > and > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's > > > > father's > > > > > > > > death > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an > > eminent > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > > > > > > Influence > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's > > > > affliction > > > > > > due to > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord > > Jup in > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not > > a > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and > > a > > > > > > lasting > > > > > > > > > > influence > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > aspects > > > > on > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with > > Makar > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > itself, > > > > which > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies > > the > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's > > > > death : > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, > > with > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with > > > > Makar > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts > > 7'th > > > > lord > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses > > > > states > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > moon > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, > > 3rd > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own > > chart, > > > > > > moon is > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, > > my > > > > one of > > > > > > > > sisters > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash > > > > saying > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > death, > > > > > > Taking > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given > > in > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education > > : > > > > With > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > technical > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to > > > > this, > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - 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> > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, > > > > It's > > > > > > > > limited > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > you > > > > > > need to > > > > > > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above > > all, > > > > with > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th > > and > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > with > > > > > > > > multiple > > > > > > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > question > > > > mark > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's > > have > > > > a > > > > > > > > serious > > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Gopi ji, nothing much! Just thinking of coming with no MOON (mind)! :-) (All in jest! :-)) Regards Neelam On 1 February 2010 15:57, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > No clue Neelam ji, > > any way what is so special about amavasya according to you?Its good for > spiritual practices.Is it not?I also wish your wish will be fulfilled in > the very next birth itself... > Regards, > gopi. > > <%40>, > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > wrote: > > > > Ha ha! Gopi ji! > > I wish I were an Amavasya born! > > May be many more lives needed! to BE! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > On 1 February 2010 15:22, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > Thanks.I know that but i am also just responding to you in my own > way in > > > a lighter vein.You Can(t) keep everybody quiet and you know you were > > > addresing me.There is a thing called courtesy you know.... > > > // Just thinking aloud > > > > may be, in this august forum!// > > > there you are....In the mind!!(Moon) > > > Regards, > > > gopi. > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > I know you were neither asking not telling!! :-) > > > > > > > > //If you ask me....// ... just a matter of fact way of beginning > to > > > say > > > > something! > > > > I was not really invoking any response! Not even trying! Just > thinking > > > aloud > > > > may be, in this august forum! > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 14:35, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // If you ask me Gopi ji,// > > > > > I am neither asking nor telling Neelam ji but just listening by > > > reading > > > > > the posted lines.At the same time not reacting.Hope this also > makes > > > some > > > > > kind of sense atleast.... > > > > > Regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there > > > would > > > > > be any > > > > > > difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees > or > > > > > > other-yugees! > > > > > > Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with > > > them is > > > > > > entirely upto us! > > > > > > Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the > solar > > > > > energy, > > > > > > may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into > > > ancient > > > > > > indian astrology! > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want > this? > > > // > > > > > > > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > > > > > > > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > > > > attention!// > > > > > > > My Response was to mind and hence.... > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want > this? > > > > > > > KALIYUGA or > > > > > > > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > > > > > > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs > > > > > attention! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of > > > charts(our > > > > > > > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably > MA(Divine > > > > > Mother to > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many > > > CULTures > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be > > > " aired " > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and > > > fluid > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or > > > incarcerated > > > > > > > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > <%40><% > 40> > > > <%40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let > it > > > ALL > > > > > go! > > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know > > > when > > > > > and > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said > this > > > and > > > > > this > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie > all > > > the > > > > > > > chains of > > > > > > > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- > Paramahansa > > > > > > > Yogananda > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > > > > > > > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > > > > > > > CASE > > > > > > > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January > > > ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let > it > > > ALL > > > > > go! > > > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST > YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <%40> > <%40><% > > > 40> > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and > > > wrath > > > > > > > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from > ONE > > > who > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are > > > paying > > > > > > > attention > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual > journey, > > > did > > > > > > > > > compassion > > > > > > > > > > > die? > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game > of > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the > death > > > of > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > thread, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this > point > > > > > on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain > > > only.So > > > > > > > please > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases > of > > > MIND > > > > > > > only... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi > jee. > > > That > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a > POTENTIAL! > > > Lots > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > jyotishis > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a > GIVEN > > > and > > > > > > > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > > > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right > > > way.My > > > > > yogic > > > > > > > > > > > practices > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it > hapens(by > > > > > > > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your > mind > > > is > > > > > > > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My > lagna > > > lord > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy > > > > > sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > > > > > > > papa > > > > > > > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and > > > debilitated > > > > > with > > > > > > > exal > > > > > > > > > 9L. > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total > surrender " .So > > > there > > > > > may > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic > practices, > > > > > Gopi_jee! > > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to > > > walk on > > > > > > > water! > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of > soul > > > > > which > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than > parroting > > > the > > > > > words > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all > into a > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in > the > > > > > NORMAL > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR > > > MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking > in > > > my > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask > > > myself > > > > > where > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all > these > > > > > > > 'descriptive' > > > > > > > > > > > labels > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, > oversoul, > > > are > > > > > indeed > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) > and > > > > > unitary > > > > > > > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever > > > grateful > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our > scriptures > > > and > > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology > and > > > > > > > philosophy > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract > > > descriptions > > > > > and > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > suited > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone > who > > > is > > > > > > > > > self-realized > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that > > > lable > > > > > on > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > forum > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted > in > > > > > reality! > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > order > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had > to > > > use > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > fingers > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse > the > > > > > anti > > > > > > > virus > > > > > > > > > > > software > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and > slowing > > > us > > > > > down > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes > and > > > mind > > > > > to > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use > this > > > > > filthy, > > > > > > > > > abhorrant > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our > > > children > > > > > > > around, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, > doctoring, > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > do to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the > food, > > > and > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > child's > > > > > > > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of > soul > > > > > which > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than > parroting > > > the > > > > > words > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all > into a > > > > > Gospel > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in > the > > > > > NORMAL > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > REAL > > > > > > > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR > > > MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > > > > > > > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is > very > > > > > frugal > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were > > > unessential > > > > > for > > > > > > > us, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly > > > experienced > > > > > SOUL? > > > > > > > > > How?? > > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being > born > > > on > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my > understanding, > > > Soul > > > > > does > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it > can > > > also > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is > > > > > irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40> > > > <%40><% > > > > > 40> > > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 > > > 7:31:03 > > > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and > Dhanu > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My > mind > > > is > > > > > > > not.Even > > > > > > > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said > > > MANO > > > > > > > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > > > > > > > THE > > > > > > > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the > SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical > > > eye?or > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the > SOUL, > > > > > Gopi_da, > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, > as > > > an > > > > > > > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES > BUT > > > NOT > > > > > > > THROUGH > > > > > > > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the > glass is > > > > > half > > > > > > > empty > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any > > > obligation.. > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke > it, > > > > > Gopi_jee > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be > one > > > who > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing > > > exercises* > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > you, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > @ > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have > > > forgotten > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS > NOT(have > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... > > > > > jun/jul.. > > > > > > > > > something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > @ > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not > get > > > > > upset at > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years > experience > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still > harbours > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > " Civil > > > > > > > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants > > > thrive > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > playing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) > > > Information is > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- > holding > > > > > > > mentality > > > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not > know > > > what > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > left > > > > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political > > > embarassments > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have > > > teased > > > > > all of > > > > > > > us > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is > > > actually a > > > > > hoax > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to > > > Yogananda! > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as > > > Yukteshwar > > > > > who as > > > > > > > > > quoted > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho > or at > > > > > least a > > > > > > > > > firm > > > > > > > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda > that he > > > > > should > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). 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Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 // If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would be any difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or other-yugees! // If we take precession in account,due to that reason earth changes its tilt in difft difft NKS, So, horoscopes of different different era get changed. Kindly dont chage ancient concepts in mere ignorance ! Though those are also corect according to modern theory of precession. Sun is shining but its course is getting changed in NKS due to precession. Angelina --- On Mon, 1/2/10, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re: sayonara Monday, 1 February, 2010, 7:37 AM If you ask me Gopi ji, and I may be wrong, I do not feel there would be any difference in the planetary positions/horoscopes of Kaliyugees or other-yugees! Planets only show us where their energies act, what we do with them is entirely upto us! Sun has been shining on us for ever! But now we harness the solar energy, may be much more than we did earlier? or much less? Hope I make some sense! Otherwise we would not be delving into ancient indian astrology! Regards Neelam On 1 February 2010 12:52, gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > //If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? // > i really dont know.Hence i said perhaps!! > // May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention!// > My Response was to mind and hence.... > Regards, > gopi. > <%40>, > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > wrote: > > > > If MA is MA, that too divine MA, how could she ever want this? > KALIYUGA or > > any other YUGA Gopi ji? > > May be its where we start (the LAGAN/LAGAAN) which needs attention! > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > On 1 February 2010 12:25, gopalakrishna gopi_b927 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > We all can see MOON/4H afflicted in atleast 90% of charts(our > > > colection).......that is KALIYUGA,which probably MA(Divine Mother to > my > > > Divine Guru) wanted!!.... > > > -gopi. > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " jyotish_vani@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your personal perception, Gopi! > > > > > > > > It is true that MIND can be a vault and sadly in many CULTures it > > > remains so -- to be held sacred and hidden and not to be " aired " or > > > 'SHARED'! > > > > > > > > Which is SAD! > > > > > > > > For astrologically speaking, mind is the most open and fluid and > the > > > most active and available -- unless afflicted or incarcerated > otherwise! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Enter February,re enter Gopi. > > > > > //DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > Just > > > as > > > > > your > > > > > GURUJI told...// > > > > > you seem to know my Guru ji well because i dont know when and > where > > > he > > > > > said that!!/TOLD to whom?!!But HE certainly said this and this > is > > > > > recorded as well that " In the vault of the mind lie all the > chains of > > > > > bondage, as well as the keys to freedom. " -- Paramahansa > Yogananda > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step, dear gopi_jee is to begin to use > CAPITALS/UPPER > > > CASE > > > > > and to feel comfortable with that! > > > > > > > > > > > > You took the very important first step! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bravo! GOOD PROGRESS!! And -- it is only January ...!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > DO BREATHE DEEPLY all the way down -- and then let it ALL go! > Just > > > as > > > > > your GURUJI told... > > > > > > > > > > > > There are really no ENEMIES or FRIENDS -- JUST YOU! > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OH GOD the word GOOD had so much IMAGINATION and wrath > > > > > aswell!!!....... > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Good...? Is that a blessing or a CURSE?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Such WRATH for another fellow human being from ONE who was > > > given > > > > > the > > > > > > > gift of experiencing exalted planets and such spiritual > > > ambitions! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW!! I hope the beginners (Astrologers!) are paying > attention > > > and > > > > > > > learning -- ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just when, during the arduous spiritual journey, did > > > compassion > > > > > die? > > > > > > > And, WHY did it?? And why *so* early in the game of > spiritual > > > > > elevation > > > > > > > publicly confessed ...?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good song .Keep singing for good... > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotishis do need 'minds' ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Psychics may think otherwise ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, since you have 'certified' the death of this > > > thread, I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > let you continue your soliloquy from this point on...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sayonara! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " get you/me " is used in a lighter vain only.So > please > > > take > > > > > it > > > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > jee.Complacence is one of the diseases of MIND > only... > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was not trying to *get you*, Gopi jee. That > would > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > uncivil of me ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes always indicate a POTENTIAL! Lots of > > > jyotishis > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > jataks > > > > > > > > > > > make the mistake and take that as a GIVEN and > > > COMPLACENCE > > > > > takes > > > > > > > > > over... > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HA,ha..ha thankyou Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry you did not get me the right way.My yogic > > > > > practices > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > rooted > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > ground reality.Any way if it hapens(by > > > providence,not by > > > > > > > > > practice) i > > > > > > > > > > > > > will do it and send a message your mind is > > > imagining.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way a bit of astrology.My lagna lord is > > > exalted > > > > > in > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > MT in > > > > > > > > > > > > > his own in an earthy sign(grounded)surrounded by > > > papa > > > > > karari > > > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > went into 7th watery sign and debilitated with > exal > > > 9L. > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me a " total surrender " .So there may > be > > > a > > > > > chance > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > wish to be fulfilled... > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40>, > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your yogic practices, Gopi_jee! > > > Please > > > > > do > > > > > > > send > > > > > > > > > me a > > > > > > > > > > > > > telepathic message when you begin to walk on > water! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of Luck!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > , > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //While the abstract concept of soul which > no > > > one > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > of > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > and > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > and > > > REAL > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's exactly i am also asking in my own > > > > > > > > > language(way).Probably > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difference lies in asking.I ask myself where > as > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others!!!.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > , > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sometimes wonder if all these > 'descriptive' > > > > > labels > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > entities, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind, soul, conscience, oversoul, are indeed > so > > > > > neatly > > > > > > > > > > > > > compartmentalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and natural (created by nature) and unitary > > > > > (separate > > > > > > > > > entities). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sounding disrespectful and ever grateful for > the > > > > > words > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Minds that gave us our scriptures and > > > understanding > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experience (including astrology and > philosophy > > > and > > > > > > > > > spiritualism > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some of these are abstract descriptions and > best > > > > > suited > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > describe > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life and experiences of someone who is > > > self-realized > > > > > and > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > worldly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I respect those who fit that lable on > this > > > forum > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > elsewhere! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, let us remain rooted in reality! > In > > > order > > > > > to > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages going, each of us had to use their > > > fingers > > > > > to > > > > > > > turn > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > computer, use our mouth to curse the anti > virus > > > > > software > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > microsoft > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for starting the UPDATE and slowing us down > at > > > the > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > instant, > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then use the fingers and eyes and mind to > type > > > our > > > > > > > messages > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and on. Later on we will use this filthy, > > > abhorrant > > > > > body > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > grocery > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shopping, cook food, drive our children > around, > > > and > > > > > > > prepare > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (teaching, engineering, doctoring, whatever > we > > > all > > > > > do to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the computer, the car, the food, and the > > > child's > > > > > > > piano > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While the abstract concept of soul which > no > > > one > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > knows > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can explain, other than parroting the words > of > > > > > > > SELF-REALIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mahatmas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Saints and turning it all into a Gospel > and > > > > > > > Channeled > > > > > > > > > > > Knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let me ask all those who live in the NORMAL > and > > > REAL > > > > > > > world: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > CAN YOU FUNCTION WITHOUT YOUR MIND? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Without getting shipped to the > " funny-farm? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one thing. Nature is very frugal > and > > > does > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > tolerate > > > > > > > > > > > > > waste > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and vestiges. If MIND were unessential for > us, > > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and continuing to do so! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has any of you directly experienced SOUL? > > > How?? > > > > > What > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why can it not avoid being born on this > > > Earth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > <%40> > <%40> > > > , > > > Krishnamurthy > > > > > > > > > Seetharama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, in my understanding, Soul does > not > > > > > need > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > capable on its own. However, it can also see > > > what > > > > > mind > > > > > > > sees. > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > > > > far > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Soul is concerned mind is irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mon, 25 January, 2010 7:31:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Swami > > > Vivekananda's > > > > > > > Chart : > > > > > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative Study of Makar and Dhanu Lagna > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whose mind is doing it?My mind is > not.Even > > > > > Maharshi > > > > > > > > > Ramana's > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not do it.That's why he said MANO > > > NASA(DESTRY > > > > > THE > > > > > > > MIND). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Mind is the eye of the SOUL,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not the actual physical eye?or even > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > eye? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind is the eye of the SOUL, Gopi_da, > > > through > > > > > > > which IT > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lifetime! As a witness, as an > > > OBSERVER... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I SEE THROUGH MY EYES BUT NOT > THROUGH > > > > > MIND... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How would you *KNOW*? :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pray tell! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ . > com, > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that the glass is half > empty > > > and > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > half > > > > > > > > > > > > > filled.Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not under any obligation.. .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You already broke it, Gopi_jee > -- > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > responding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > publicly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > then claiming to be one who > could > > > > > exercise > > > > > > > > > restraint > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More *breathing exercises* for > > > you, it > > > > > > > seems! > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > . > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you might have forgotten > about > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > LAKSHMAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REKHA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHICH I WAS NOT(have not > > > > > > > been)responding. > > > > > > > > > !!!You > > > > > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my patience.... jun/jul.. > > > something. > > > > > > > > > .like.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -gopi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please do not get upset at > me, > > > but > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 25+ years experience and > > > > > purification of > > > > > > > > > body, > > > > > > > > > > > mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > soul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya still harbours such a > > > " Civil > > > > > > > Servant " > > > > > > > > > > > mindset > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Civil Servants thrive on > > > playing > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > cards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > close > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chest :-) Information is > their > > > > > > > 'trump-card' > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information- holding > mentality > > > often > > > > > > > creates > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand' does not know what the > > > left > > > > > hand > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > political embarassments for > > > their > > > > > > > Masters at > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have teased all of > us > > > by > > > > > > > > > suggesting > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birthtime is actually a hoax > > > that > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > floated by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was close to Yogananda! He > > > himself > > > > > did > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as much as Yukteshwar who as > > > quoted > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > Autobiography > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather gung ho or at least a > > > firm > > > > > > > believer > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommended > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to Yogananda that he should > ask > > > for > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > amulet!). I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wonder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the person was that > floated > > > the > > > > > > > wrong > > > > > > > > > > > birthdata > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogananda! I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it was not one of the > disciples > > > etc, > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shadow on the mentality! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if Guruji's birthdata > > > should > > > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > kept > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason, it would have made > sense > > > to > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > float a > > > > > > > > > > > fake > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you agree that that would be > a > > > SADHU > > > > > > > thing > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, people do tend > to > > > RUN > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > superficially- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar Ayanamsha for > > > instance! > > > > > > > Someone > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Science written in 1894 in > which > > > he > > > > > > > > > presented > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fascinating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about shorter YUGAs and gave > a > > > value > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1894, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > annual rate of 54 " , an > > > approximate > > > > > value > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > best > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Equinoxes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > precess at a uniform rate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, some person equated > > > > > A=Yukteshwar > > > > > > > > > believes > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B=Yukteshwar mentioned an > > > ayanamsha > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > brought > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > C=It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwar's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha [in the same vein > as > > > this > > > > > is > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanamsha!]. When I brought > this > > > to > > > > > > > light, > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement told me that > Yukteshwar > > > was > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramparaic documents in > > > Calcutta ya > > > > > di > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > da ya > > > > > > > > > > > da! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressend > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, the person simply > > > vanished > > > > > with > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > special > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trunk-full > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret documents! I consider > > > this > > > > > kind > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > hide > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > seek, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infantile, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quite honestly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either tell the full story > or > > > keep > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > canned > > > > > > > > > > > if it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valuable that the great > unwashed > > > > > must > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dropping crumbs here and > there > > > and > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > mockery > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, not some fairy > tale > > > of > > > > > Hansel > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > Gretel > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birds!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, if you use > the > > > 1894 > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > science > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > apply the more modern value > of > > > > > 50.333 > > > > > > > > > seconds, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman's Ayanamsha! It is > > > interesting > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > 1894 > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > independently recommended by > BV > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1912. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While on the topic, The > Holy > > > > > Science > > > > > > > > > quotes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " astronomical/ astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books " as the source for the > > > > > ayanamsha. > > > > > > > Once > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > safely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara was referring to > the > > > > > > > Panjikas > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > claiming to have calculated > the > > > > > > > ayanamsha as > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > gift > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like that. The > YUGA > > > cycles > > > > > > > that he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were so large that too much > > > > > precision > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > needed, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > used an approximate value of > 54 " > > > per > > > > > > > year, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppose. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, please do not > take > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > personally > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organization etc. Just > because > > > it is > > > > > > > eclipse > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun-light should be shunned! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > . > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //father's early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > left > > > > > entire > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, when > day > > > to > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and an > open > > > > > > > question to > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > lagna > > > chart > > > > > ? > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > death > > > and > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > ???// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have given some good > > > reasons > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > makar > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > authenticate the lagna > for > > > the > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give good reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When we dont have > authentic > > > > > birth > > > > > > > data > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalenge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forum.I too do not agree > > > > > Paramahansa > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda's > > > > > > > > > > > > > Leo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accepted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussed by many > eminent > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > After > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kriya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than 25years his chart > was > > > > > revealed > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > and i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chalenging anybody.I > just > > > > > prefered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep quiet till the > > > > > permission > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > GURU > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > obtained > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in.I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am simply not interested > to > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convinced.What do we get > to > > > > > prove > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHATMAS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except our ego gets > > > boosted?THEY > > > > > ARE > > > > > > > > > WHAT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THEYARE(WERE) ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reg vivekananda' s > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > death,his > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9thH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gulika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mandi,7thL of maraka in > 2nd > > > H of > > > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and sun aswell!6thL in > 2nd > > > in > > > > > sat's > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > wth > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maraka is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of poverty.From moon 9L > in a > > > > > maraka > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna.No > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > body > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objection if you want to > > > stick > > > > > to > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup in 10th but you can > not > > > wish > > > > > > > others > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <utkal.panigrahi@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we are trying to > find > > > out > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna, lagna > falls > > > > > around 1 > > > > > > > > > degree, > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6.30 - 7 am, his 8'th > lord > > > Sun > > > > > > > goes to > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life to Swami Ji. 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> > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus, pls note that > 7'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > moon > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to morning when he > made up > > > his > > > > > > > mind to > > > > > > > > > > > leave > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > teachings/ > > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maha-sam\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adhi/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.uttishth ata.org/life- > > > teachings/ > > > > > > > > > vivekananda% > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E2%80%99s- maha-sa\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > \ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > madhi/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He entered into > > > mahasamadhi > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > belief > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda as and > when > > > > > humanity > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . > > > > > > > com, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > Chart : > > > > > A > > > > > > > > > > > Comparative > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of > respect > > > to > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope we are > going > > > to > > > > > > > analyse in > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > article, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loving mother of > Swami > > > Ji > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > dedicate > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Devi (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my > > > mother > > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efflorescence of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish Ratnakar > by > > > Babu > > > > > > > > > DevakiNandan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Contemporary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B SuryaNarain Rao > and > > > says > > > > > that > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > learnt > > > > > > > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1898, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can understand that > he > > > lived > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work, As Babu > > > Devakinandan > > > > > > > himself > > > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > graduate as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during british time > and > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > scholar of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life dissipating bad > > > > > practices > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > Singh > > > > > narrates > > > > > > > > > that in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BioGraphy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was printed by his > close > > > > > > > friends, no > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only mentioned that > > > Swami Ji > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > born on > > > > > > > > > > > 12 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > morning, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the day when Makar > > > Sankranti > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bengal in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1863. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babu Devakinandan > Singh > > > > > gives > > > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Makar Lagna and > how > > > the > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > came > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > existence, he has > > > written > > > > > that > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ganesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MukhoPadhaya in his > book > > > > > > > " Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 6.33 am, witought > > > > > mentioning > > > > > > > > > source > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu lagna chart > > > started > > > > > > > > > circulating > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sangrah's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue. 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at noon or before > > > noon, he > > > > > had > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > got a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar Lagna but that > was > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > Time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > printed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna chart in his > book > > > > > along > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Late Dr Narayan Datt > > > Srimali > > > > > > > also in > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > book on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers take > Makar > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda > was > > > born > > > > > in > > > > > > > Shimla > > > > > > > > > > > Pally, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calcutta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6:33 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 12 January > 1863, > > > > > during > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > eve > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sankranti, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the name > Narendranath > > > Datta. > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishwanath > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Calcutta High > Court. > > > He > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > considered > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generous, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and progressive > outlook > > > in > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi > was > > > pious > > > > > and > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > > > > practiced > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > austerities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prayed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vireshwar Shiva of > > > Varanasi > > > > > to > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > son. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the > validity > > > of > > > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work and family back > > > ground > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's > Generosity > > > and > > > > > > > > > Extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attorney, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all his savings and > even > > > > > > > immovable > > > > > > > > > > > prperty > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > young, in age of 48, > > > with > > > > > Dhanur > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in lagna, can > > > such a > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cause a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, a death that > left > > > > > entire > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deprived > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate poverty, > when > > > day > > > > > to > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > meals > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a challenge and > an > > > open > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who advocate Dhanu > lagna > > > > > chart ? > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supports > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami ji's father's > > > death > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows an eminent > father > > > and > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > extravaganza > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > early > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > Influence > > > and > > > > > > > persona : > > > > > > > > > With > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon's affliction > due to > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th lord Jup in > 11'th > > > > > house, > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not a > placement > > > for > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > superb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persona and a > lasting > > > > > influence > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > child, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > needless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > underline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's aspects on > 4'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar > lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, which > > > receives > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > signifies the superb > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > swami > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : > > > Swami > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > sister > > > > > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > financial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > condition, with > Dhanu > > > lagna > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > affliction to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas with Makar > Lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjuncts 7'th lord > moon > > > in > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th houses states > > > problems > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > siblings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on moon > becomes > > > cause > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > sister's > > > > > > > > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna chart, 3rd > lord > > > Jup > > > > > > > receives > > > > > > > > > > > Mars's > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aggravating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic impact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my own chart, > moon is > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house, my one of > > > sisters > > > > > > > died > > > > > > > > > early, > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shloka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shambhu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hora Prakash saying > if > > > Moon > > > > > in > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > aspected > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sister's death, > Taking > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inadequate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basics given in > various > > > > > > > classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With > > > Dhanu > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, which > receives > > > Jup's > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what sort of > education > > > > > gives, > > > > > > > ask > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swamiji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given technical > > > education, > > > > > at > > > > > > > least > > > > > > > > > > > > > mathematics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subject, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrast to this, > Swami > > > Ji > > > > > > > graduated > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arts, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studied > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " History, Social > > > sciences, > > > > > arts, > > > > > > > > > > > literature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also well versed in > > > > > classical > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > both > > > > > > > > > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instrumental > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to have > undergone > > > > > training > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ustads, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahamad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khan " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 5'th can > never > > > give > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > music, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Indian Vedic > Astrologer > > > > > > > justified > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of discovery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna > chart, > > > You > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction with > 9'th > > > lord > > > > > merc > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of literature, arts > and > > > > > music. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and > Sickness : > > > > > With > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > supportive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence for his > love > > > for > > > > > > > sports on > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th, > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Makar lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house and from > > > 10'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, moreover, > 6'th > > > lord > > > > > is > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration for > one to > > > be > > > > > good > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect also, 6'th > lord > > > > > though > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yoga but it > gives > > > > > illness > > > > > > > too, > > > > > > > > > > > further, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 6'th house, > > > clearly > > > > > > > > > indicating, > > > > > > > > > > > long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bout of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and > > > Poorva > > > > > Punya > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramakrishna > Paramhansha > > > that > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > Ji > > > > > > > > > > > is, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > infact, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shapt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great 7 sages of > Indian > > > > > > > Spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > Mythology) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no > connection > > > > > between > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except for Sun who > is > > > 9'th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > rather, > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get great temptation > and > > > > > binding > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 11'th house is > > > infamous > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > insatiable > > > > > > > > > > > > > lust > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna > chart, > > > you > > > > > get, > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna itself, which > is a > > > > > rarest > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > rare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configuration, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furthermore, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus is 10'th lord > > > also, > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karma Yogi, Count > more, > > > in > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 9'th house of > > > religion > > > > > and > > > > > > > Guru's > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunction of Moon > to > > > make > > > > > it > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8'th house and 8'th > lord > > > has > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > significant > > > > > > > > > > > > > role > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > achievements, It's > > > limited > > > > > to > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > maya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mysticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whereas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality you > need to > > > > > > > overcome > > > > > > > > > maya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with > > > Makar > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making swami ji a > siddha > > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > > sadhaka > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him to kundalini > > > awakening > > > > > and > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and look within > before > > > > > making an > > > > > > > > > > > expression. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave him both > VakShuddhi > > > and > > > > > > > > > VakSiddhi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > > > Lectures : > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > period, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Makar lagna, Sun is > > > placed > > > > > in > > > > > > > 12'th, > > > > > > > > > Jup > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in 10'th > house of > > > > > karma, > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship, he became > > > greatest > > > > > > > orator > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > modern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lordship, he > went > > > on > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > tour to > > > > > > > > > > > > > spread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the form of > Vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna > chart, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > finds > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's Death : > With > > > Makar > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > chart, It > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's transit on > his > > > 9'th > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > died, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's death also > > > happened > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > period . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs > Poligamy > > > : > > > > > With > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination for > multiple > > > > > > > marriages, > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mockery of Vedic > > > astrology > > > > > and > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You get 7'th and > 10'th > > > lord > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > gone > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with > > > multiple > > > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > morever, > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus, the 11'th > lord of > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > (Kamana). > > > > > > > > > > > > > How > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celibacy and ignore > > > presence > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > polygamy > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ji's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a question mark > in > > > > > > > astrologer's > > > > > > > > > > > ability > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > > > serious > > > > > look > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > Makar > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects 7'th house, > and > > > 7'th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is lagna lord > and > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > occurs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained a > brahmchari > > > and It > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire > Vs > > > > > > > Renunciation > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > Can > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > answer, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11'th and 10'th lord > in > > > 2nd > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > is it > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business enterprise > or > > > > > > > renunciation, > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business man's > chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna > chart, > > > > > Swami ji > > > > > > > > > get's > > > > > > > > > > > 7'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with 11'th lord > Venus, > > > this > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > man, a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trader, Further to > that, > > > Jup > > > > > is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > libra > > > > > > > > > > > > > (tula) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, placed in > 11'th > > > house, > > > > > So, > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > magnet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Gates, isn't > it, > > > This > > > > > > > > > underlines a > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vivid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mark in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abilities of those > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > declare > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. Hardly, there > is > > > any > > > > > > > > > considerable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda a > > > saint, > > > > > Have > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th becomes a > sage, > > > where > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > renunciation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dhanu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar > Lagna > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forming Ruchaka > > > Mahapurush > > > > > Yoga, > > > > > > > > > Ketu as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignite the divine > > > serpent > > > > > fire > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessing of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great Guru Swami Ji > > > could > > > > > ignite > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noteworthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup aspect this mars > > > from > > > > > 10'th > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lordship > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comes, Lagna and > 9'th > > > lord's > > > > > > > > > interchange > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, everybody > w'd > > > come > > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > w'd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > getting a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct birth time > of > > > Swami > > > > > Ji, > > > > > > > > > perhapse > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > w'd be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers on his > birth > > > > > > > anniversary > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > falls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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