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Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009  Important duties of an Astrologer For marriage match of birth charts.  I bring the following to knowledge of all who prefer ‘Marriage Match analysis’ of birth charts for se4lcting the spouse for marriage of your child.  THE FIRST AND FOREMOST DUTY OF AN ASTROLOGER IS TO VERIFY THE INDIVIDUAL MERITS OF HOROSCOPES  1. Date of birth, time of birth, and Place of birth has to be verified. 2. The horoscopes are to be checked for correctness in casting them. 3. The Ayanamsa (Lahari, Chitra Paksha or any other) must be same in charts. 4. Individual study of charts is to be listed, related to married life.  Matching horoscopes - three major parts.  1. General agreements – ‘Poruthams’; 2. Evaluating Papasamyams; 3. Determination of ‘Desha Sandies’.  It is of utmost importance that Astrologers should fully – fully – satisfy themselves that the Longevity, Kalathra Bhava and Puthra Bhava are strong in the Male Chart.  They also should fully convince that in girl’s birth chart, that her Longevity, Mangalya Bhava and Puthra Bhava are also equally strong.  Then they should check the ‘Desa (10) Vida Poruthams’ as per set rules. Then they should evaluate Dosha Samyam or Papa Samyam in both the selected horoscopes.  Desha Sandhi is a very important factor in matching the horoscopes, as the to Deshas running parallel to both the charts, will not compensate the deficiencies in any one of them during such Desha periods, while exceptions are not studied properly as per authors of many Astrology Dictums.  Please Note: It is important : If Astrologers feel that there is no strength for the ‘Kalathra Bhava’ in the male horoscope, it should only be matched with a girl’s horoscope where there is good longevity and health.  Similarly, if Mangalya Bhava in a girl’s horoscope is weak, it should only be matched with a male horoscope, where there is good longevity.  Before matching Horoscopes, Strength and the remaining Bhavas in each chart should correctly assessed before matching the horoscopes.   HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.  A.V.  Pathi (25th December 2009), UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear Rohini Ji, There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting. He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? "  Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought? Regards,  -Manoj  ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match  Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Fortunately/unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's karma :-) Regards, Krishna ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! Rohiniranjan The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Krishha_jee Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so! It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and Kings who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what astrology must do! The *TREND* is seen still! Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed? Those ARE the questions! Rohiniranjan , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Fortunately/unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's karma :-) > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 Dear RR ji, You have raised valid questions. Please do share your opinion. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Fri, 25 December, 2009 5:08:45 PM Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match Krishha_jee Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so! It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and Kings who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what astrology must do! The *TREND* is seen still! Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed? Those ARE the questions! Rohiniranjan , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ....> wrote: > > Fortunately/ unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's karma :-) > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2009 Report Share Posted December 25, 2009 I personally think that astrology has always been influenced by or skewed by (if you will!) by the prevailing social forces, needs, and who was in power and using astrology for what. Astrology itself is neutral and amoral (not IMMORAL!) like water which will fit in wherever you keep it: cup, glass, the cupped palm of one's hand. When kings and emperors prevailed and 'controlled' astrology there was more emphasis on rajyogas, dhanyogas, how the crops will be, will there be wars and victory or defeat, etc When Hitler controlled astrology, the emphasis and point of attention on astrology was for espionage and previsioning enemy strategy and moves etc. When many psychologists and similar backgrounds were attracted to astrology, the terminology and understanding and interpretation of the very same symbols took up a psychological focus with the language changing accordingly. Currently for most individuals relationships and occupation are two foremost concerns and secondarily children related concerns and spiritual intelligence (if I may coin this term). RR_, , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear RR ji, > > You have raised valid questions. Please do share your opinion. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 5:08:45 PM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > > Krishha_jee > > Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so! > > It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and Kings who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what astrology must do! > > The *TREND* is seen still! > > Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed? > > Those ARE the questions! > > Rohiniranjan > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ....> wrote: > > > > Fortunately/ unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's karma :-) > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM > > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > > > > > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, " Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? "  This never happens. Regards.  A.V.Pathi,   ________________________________ Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match  Dear Rohini Ji, There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting. He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? "  Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought? Regards,  -Manoj  ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match  Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Manoj ji, Indeed, that may indeed be the intent of God! But should astrologer be God's mouthpiece, in that case? Personally, I think that melapak alone might not be enough in today's complex reality -- very different from Dwapara or other yugas! <Adding a bit more mirchi to the pot! Sambaram needs a bit more spunk!> RR_, , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting. > > He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " >  > Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought? > > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > >  > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Pathi_ji, When you are right, you are right! RR_, , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Dear Manoj ji, > > " Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " >  > This never happens. > > Regards. > >  > A.V.Pathi,  >  > > > > ________________________________ > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > > Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM > Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > >  > Dear Rohini Ji, > > There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting. > > He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " >  > Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought? > > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > >  > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > Rohiniranjan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Pathi ji, Exactly! That is why I said earlier that astrologers (or anyone else) can not fix someone's karma. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ venkatachala pathi <pathiav Cc: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Sat, 26 December, 2009 1:40:18 PM Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match Dear Manoj ji, " Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " This never happens. Regards. A.V.Pathi, ____________ _________ _________ __ Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match Dear Rohini Ji, There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting. He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought? Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Sri Krishnamurthy Ji, There is world of difference between 'fixing' and 'reading'. Astrologer's job is to put all his knowledge under 'rules' in scriptures and books, to 'read' Karma as revealed. Though there are umpteen number of remedies suggested in scriptures/books by various authors (past and present), I do not have faith in them to change the 'course' of Karma. However, it is human mind to accept a 'belief' to find, and process so called 'remedies' - including using gems or talisman - as way out. Like, Doctors administering 'recommended' or proved medications - yet, the patient may not 'respond' or 'improve'. So, I distinctly segment 'faith', 'belief' and 'Karma'. Well! I am not against the first two for someone to practice. But, I firmly believe that ALL THESE, if aimed,  will not change 'Karma' and consequences - for good or bad results or introduce frequent changes. This act could, however, be called 'fixing'. A sample proof of 'karma':  Could one choice his parent, brothers, sisters or any of his children, or a relative (a drunk/ immoral uncle is still his uncle) or the plane he travels? Can he make alternates? He has a rare chance of selecting a wife. Here also one becomes helpless in the hands of 'Karma'!! It is the onerous responsibility of an Astrologer, to stick to 'rules' and interpret the 'facts', instead 'butter' on them, when naturally he shifts away from telling actual facts. Of course, there are ever so many factors for these 'shifts' to happen or interpreted in 'hues'. All Astrologers could not be 'perfect' or 'exponents' of high order, or carry high 'reflex' to trace the results on 'combinations' of Planets, or have courage to transfer knowledge to correct code for 'deliveries'. These 'codes' depend of his in-depth knowledge assimilated over years together with worldly and astrology knowledge with constant dedicated field practice. That again is, an act in itself, of 'Karma' in meeting/getting the correct lighted 'path' (Jothish) from a 'right' astrologer. This 'path', as firmly believed by all, is not subjected for change. Volumes can be discussed on presumption. Yet facts result on measuring 'Karma' alone.  As one, would go to a doctor to diagnose a sickness, goes to a learned astrologer to know his 'path' of life. My regards to all. A.V.Pathi,  ________________________________ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Sat, December 26, 2009 10:35:27 AM Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match  Dear Pathi ji, Exactly! That is why I said earlier that astrologers (or anyone else) can not fix someone's karma. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ venkatachala pathi <pathiav > Cc: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Sat, 26 December, 2009 1:40:18 PM Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match Dear Manoj ji, " Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " This never happens. Regards. A.V.Pathi, ____________ _________ _________ __ Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match Dear Rohini Ji, There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting. He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought? Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! Rohiniranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Good, discussion, indeed, it is perhaps the time for findiout mathing terminology from ancient texts,suited for present trend unlike it changed from Princily age to Hitlor's age,.Though this needs adequate vision and experience. P K Tripathy.  ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sat, December 26, 2009 2:36:59 AM Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match  I personally think that astrology has always been influenced by or skewed by (if you will!) by the prevailing social forces, needs, and who was in power and using astrology for what. Astrology itself is neutral and amoral (not IMMORAL!) like water which will fit in wherever you keep it: cup, glass, the cupped palm of one's hand. When kings and emperors prevailed and 'controlled' astrology there was more emphasis on rajyogas, dhanyogas, how the crops will be, will there be wars and victory or defeat, etc When Hitler controlled astrology, the emphasis and point of attention on astrology was for espionage and previsioning enemy strategy and moves etc. When many psychologists and similar backgrounds were attracted to astrology, the terminology and understanding and interpretation of the very same symbols took up a psychological focus with the language changing accordingly. Currently for most individuals relationships and occupation are two foremost concerns and secondarily children related concerns and spiritual intelligence (if I may coin this term). RR_, , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ....> wrote: > > Dear RR ji, > > You have raised valid questions. Please do share your opinion. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 5:08:45 PM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > > Krishha_jee > > Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so! > > It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and Kings who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what astrology must do! > > The *TREND* is seen still! > > Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed? > > Those ARE the questions! > > Rohiniranjan > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ....> wrote: > > > > Fortunately/ unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's karma :-) > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM > > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > > > > > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Pathi ji, Good post indeed. //A sample proof of 'karma':  Could one choice his parent, brothers, sisters or any of his children, or a relative (a drunk/ immoral uncle is still his uncle) or the plane he travels? Can he make alternates? He has a rare chance of selecting a wife. Here also one becomes helpless in the hands of 'Karma'!!// i agree with you sir.A spiritually evolved one once told me that we cant hange our birth,death,profession and marriage(wife) to our LIKING.He was just hinting that we cant change ANYTHING!!(karma)may be?... //That again is, an act in itself, of 'Karma' in meeting/getting the correct lighted 'path' (Jothish) from a 'right' astrologer. This 'path', as firmly believed by all, is not subjected for change. Volumes can be discussed on presumption. Yet facts result on measuring 'Karma' alone.  > As one, would go to a doctor to diagnose a sickness, goes to a learned astrologer to know his 'path' of life.// i agree with your experience.... Love and regards, gopi. , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: > > Dear Sri Krishnamurthy Ji, > > There is world of difference between 'fixing' and 'reading'. Astrologer's job is to put all his knowledge under 'rules' in scriptures and books, to 'read' Karma as revealed. > > Though there are umpteen number of remedies suggested in scriptures/books by various authors (past and present), I do not have faith in them to change the 'course' of Karma. However, it is human mind to accept a 'belief' to find, and process so called 'remedies' - including using gems or talisman - as way out. Like, Doctors administering 'recommended' or proved medications - yet, the patient may not 'respond' or 'improve'. So, I distinctly segment 'faith', 'belief' and 'Karma'. Well! I am not against the first two for someone to practice. But, I firmly believe that ALL THESE, if aimed,  will not change 'Karma' and consequences - for good or bad results or introduce frequent changes. This act could, however, be called 'fixing'. > > A sample proof of 'karma':  Could one choice his parent, brothers, sisters or any of his children, or a relative (a drunk/ immoral uncle is still his uncle) or the plane he travels? Can he make alternates? He has a rare chance of selecting a wife. Here also one becomes helpless in the hands of 'Karma'!! > > It is the onerous responsibility of an Astrologer, to stick to 'rules' and interpret the 'facts', instead 'butter' on them, when naturally he shifts away from telling actual facts. Of course, there are ever so many factors for these 'shifts' to happen or interpreted in 'hues'. All Astrologers could not be 'perfect' or 'exponents' of high order, or carry high 'reflex' to trace the results on 'combinations' of Planets, or have courage to transfer knowledge to correct code for 'deliveries'. These 'codes' depend of his in-depth knowledge assimilated over years together with worldly and astrology knowledge with constant dedicated field practice. That again is, an act in itself, of 'Karma' in meeting/getting the correct lighted 'path' (Jothish) from a 'right' astrologer. This 'path', as firmly believed by all, is not subjected for change. Volumes can be discussed on presumption. Yet facts result on measuring 'Karma' alone. >  > As one, would go to a doctor to diagnose a sickness, goes to a learned astrologer to know his 'path' of life. > > My regards to all. > A.V.Pathi,  > > > > > ________________________________ > Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998 > > Sat, December 26, 2009 10:35:27 AM > Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > >  > Dear Pathi ji, > > Exactly! That is why I said earlier that astrologers (or anyone else) can not fix someone's karma. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > venkatachala pathi pathiav > > > Cc: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > Sat, 26 December, 2009 1:40:18 PM > Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > Dear Manoj ji, > > " Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " > > This never happens. > > Regards. > > A.V.Pathi, > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > Fri, December 25, 2009 11:17:30 AM > Re: Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting. > > He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " > > Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought? > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > Rohiniranjan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, i agree with your family astrologer but at the same time question if it is in his or anybody's hands?.That's what we call DESTINY i believe...... Love and regards, gopi. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > There have been many failed " arranged " and " non-arranged " marriages in my extended family and hence I asked the obvious question to my family's astrologer (who is 90 and does not practice any more). His answer was interesting. > > He said " Matching horoscopes matches individuals with similar marital destinies. It does not change their destinies. So when there are two people with terrible marital karma, why not bring them together to work it out. Why spoil some body else's Life by letting one of them marry another person with Good marital Karma? " >  > Maybe a bit spicy, but still food for thought? > > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal jyotish_vani > > Fri, December 25, 2009 3:53:43 AM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > >  > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 WHEW! I was worried that it being Saturday, Serious and stern Mr. Headmaster will pronounce this indignantly as another " Brush and Flush " posting! Although, one wonders, why one was brushing their teeth at the toilet and not at the sink! But seriously, what you wrote was not very clear: " ...suited for present trend unlike it changed from Princily age to Hitlor's age... " B-? Regards ;-) RR-, , Pk Tripathy <pktripathy89 wrote: > > Good, discussion, indeed, it is perhaps the time for findiout mathing terminology from ancient texts,suited for present trend unlike it changed from Princily age to Hitlor's age,.Though this needs adequate vision and experience. > P K Tripathy. > > Â > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Sat, December 26, 2009 2:36:59 AM > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > Â > I personally think that astrology has always been influenced by or skewed by (if you will!) by the prevailing social forces, needs, and who was in power and using astrology for what. > > Astrology itself is neutral and amoral (not IMMORAL!) like water which will fit in wherever you keep it: cup, glass, the cupped palm of one's hand. > > When kings and emperors prevailed and 'controlled' astrology there was more emphasis on rajyogas, dhanyogas, how the crops will be, will there be wars and victory or defeat, etc > > When Hitler controlled astrology, the emphasis and point of attention on astrology was for espionage and previsioning enemy strategy and moves etc. > > When many psychologists and similar backgrounds were attracted to astrology, the terminology and understanding and interpretation of the very same symbols took up a psychological focus with the language changing accordingly. > > Currently for most individuals relationships and occupation are two foremost concerns and secondarily children related concerns and spiritual intelligence (if I may coin this term). > > RR_, > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear RR ji, > > > > You have raised valid questions. Please do share your opinion. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 5:08:45 PM > > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > > > > > Krishha_jee > > > > Astrologers are neither supposed to do that nor expected to do so! > > > > It is the second 'phrase' where influential clients such as Maharajas and Kings who *supported* astrology for hundreds of years and began to " SHAPE " what astrology must do! > > > > The *TREND* is seen still! > > > > Should it be encouraged, let alone endorsed? > > > > Those ARE the questions! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Fortunately/ unfortunately, astrologers are not empowered to fix anyone's karma :-) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > > > Fri, 25 December, 2009 4:23:43 PM > > > Re: Duties of Astrologers :: Marriage Match > > > > > > > > > Obviously most of the *astrologers* must be failing in their duties because a large number of marriages, including those fixed and endorsed by astrologers are failing! > > > > > > As evident by the large number of marriage related astrological queries we all have been receiving? > > > > > > There is obviously a need for training and examination of some of the archaical methods such as melapak that perhaps must be archived or shifted to other 'sectors' where they work so well. > > > > > > Human beings have changed, their cultures their expectations, their reality have changed, hence the mindsets of their ADVISORS should change too! > > > > > > I wish that our watches showed daily, not just the month and date but also the YEAR! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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