Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram! < Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is his usual practice. > Makara Rashi, like all the other rashis, itself is an import in about early centuries of Christian era from Greco-Chaldean astrology! As such, who advised Shri Bhattacharjya to look for " Makar Rekha " in ancient Indian texts? At least not me! Makar Rekha is a geographical term, equivalent to Tropic of Capricorn in English and it was in sixth class that I had read about Makar-Rekha (Tropic of Capricorn) etc. in my geography books then! <At least he could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the exact verse, if it was a fact.> Now that I have given the name of the book, i.e. “Makar Rekha” can be found in any Primary School Geography text book, so he can look for it in any of them! <In our calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as for the Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi.> Surprisingly, Mr. Bhattacharjya is ignorant not only about the Vedic lore but even the Pauranic and siddhantic one about the Ayanas and Vishuvas vis-à-vis Mesha etc. rashis! He can at least read the Vedanga Jyotisha, that I have uploaded in the files section of this (indiaarchaeology) forum also, and see for himself that the ayanas and vishuvas are mentioned there in also though there is neither any indication of any Rashis nor of Mangal, Shani etc. planets. And the VJ is definitely a work of at least 1400 BCE! As such, there is no question of any Makar Sankranti as per the Vedic or the VJ lore! The VJ has clearly mentioned that from the day of Uttarayana, the days go on increasing, which means Acharya Lagadha was aware of such phenomena! <The Romans were observing the birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day. One Roman emperor decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day of Jesus Christ on that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months earlier. That is how the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The Hindus will be able to observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana punyakala) almost at the time the Christians are observing their Christmas.> Ironically, some people go on parroting that " phalita Jyotisha " is a " Vedanga " because there is a work named Vedanga Jyotisha by Lagadha! If they had read any of the Vedas they would certainly not make such fools of themselves by claiming that Uttarayana is a Christian festival! There are already rashi5.zip and 1999b.doc available in the files section! Anybody can go through them and see the facts for himself/herself! There are at least fifty references in both these documents with original Sanskrit mantras, their English translation and complete references that talk of Ayanas and Vishuvas and Madhu, Madhava et. months vis-a-vis the Pauranic (and not Vedic or the VJ!) and siddhantic Mesha etc. rashis! Instead of wasting everybody's time by repeating the same clichés again and again, that the so called Makar Sankranti must be celebrated on January 15, let them please go through those three documents first, and then only enter into discussion about the " Punyakala " of Uttarayana,----which some of them call a Chrisitan legacy----vis-à-vis Makar Sankranti. Mr. Bhattacharjya, in spite of calling himself a historian, is surprisingly ignorant of the real history of Julian calendar also, as he calls it a Christian calendar! The Vedanga Jyotisha advises that a New five year yuga including a New solar as well as lunar year starts with the New moon on the Uttarayana Day becoming conjunct with the Star Dhanishtha (Alpha Delphini). A solar New year was supposed to have started with the day of Uttarayana i.e. the shortest day of the year, viz. the Winter Solstice, and a new lunar New year with the first New Moon on or after that date. These are, more or less, the criteria as per the Vasishtha and Paitamaha siddhantas of the Panchasiddhantika as well! This is what Dr. M. N. Saha has said on page 168 of the " (Saha) Report of the Calendar Reform Committee " about Christian calendar (sic!), " What is now known as the Christian calendar and used all over the world for civil purposes had originally nothing to do with Christianity....The Romans up to 45 BC apparently had rather a vague idea of the correct length of the year. Julius Caesar after his conquest of Egypt in 44 BC introduced the leap-year system on the advice of Egyptian astronomer Sosigenes, who suggested that the mean length of the year should be fixed at 365.25 days, by making the normal length of the year 365 days and inserting an additional day every fourth year. At the same time the lengths of the months were fixed at their present durations. The extra day in leap years was obtained by repeating the sixth day before the Kalends (first) of March. ...Owing to the drifting of the year-beginning, the year 46 BC started about 90 days before the proper seasons. The months were first brought back to their correct seasons by giving the year corresponding to 46 BC a normal intercalation of 23 days after February and then inserting 67 additional days between November and December. This year therefore contained 445 days in all and is known as the year of confusion… “But the perfect calendar was still a long way off. Caesar wanted to start the New year on 25th December, the Winter Solstice Day (of 46 BC). But people resisted the choice because a new moon was due on January 1, 45 BC and some people considered that the new moon was lucky. Caesar had to go along with them in their desire to start the new reckoning on a traditional lunar landmark” It is thus clear that the Roman-cum-Julian-(cum-Christian?) calendar/era followed the canons of the Vedanga Jyotisha, and the Winter Solstice i.e. the Uttarayana Day was observed, exactly like Indians had been doing, with great fervor and a new moon after that was considered “lucky” as a new year----exactly what the VJ had ordained! It is worthwhile to mention here that there was no actual Uttarayana Day on December 25, 46 BC but only the mean solar Uttarayana---again exactly like that of the Vedanga Jyotisha! Though some people are very eloquent about the date of the Mahbharata war etc., but they are blissfully ignorant that Bhishma was waiting for Uttarayana to shed off his mortal coil while on the bed of arrows! Was Bhishma also waiting for celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ? Magha Shukla paksha started immediately after Uttarayana in the Mahabharata also, as per the VJ tradition! These “jyotishis” should have done at least some reading of the Gita, which is very eloquent in the eighth adhyaya about such geographical phenomena, as it states clearly, “dhoomo ratris tatha krishnah shanmasah uttarayanam”. Is Bhagwan Krishna also talking about the Uttarayana because Jesus Christ was supposed to be born on that day? I am sorry to say that “Vedic astrologers” will go to any length to defame/debunk their own cultural heritage just to prove that the predictive gimmicks, which they call “Vedic astrology”, are so called nirayana, when actually the Vedas do not talk of any rashis at all, so there is absolutely no question of the Vedic rashis being so called sayana or nirayna! Then again, as is clear in my above quoted papers, as and when Mesha etc. rashis were introduced in India through the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, they are nothing but so called sayana, and those very so called sayana rashis have been replicated in all the Puranas later. Nakshatras, whether rightly or wrongly, had been clubbed with those very sayana rashis in the Surya Siddhanta and the Puranas and India had been following that very trend of clubbing nakshatras with sayana rashis in eleventh century AD also as per Alberuni’s India. However, it must be put on record here that most of the Junction Stars do not fit into any of their namesake nakshatras of equal division, whether so called sayana or so called nirayana! Then again, if (nirayana) Ashvini nakshatra starts ten degrees before the longitude of Ashivini star, Mula nakshatra starts almost with Mula star, and the maximum confusion is there between Chitra and Svati stars---they are away from one another by just half a degree, whereas Vishakha is away by about twenty degrees from Svati! It is, therefore, a moot point as to how relevant the names of junction stars of the Surya Sidhanta are vis-à-vis the Vedic nakshatras of similar names. My personal view is that we must completely delink junction stars from nakshatra divisions, and for deciding the nakshtr-mana of the Moon, take the lunar conjunction with the junction star as the starting time of that nakshatra till it gets conjunct with the next nakshatra. For example, it can be said that (lunar) Ashvini nakshtra starts the moment the Moon is conjunct Ashvini (Beta Arietis ---Sheratan) star and remains till it starts being conjunct the next i.e. Bharni (41 Arietis) star. Bharni will thus last from that moment till the Moon becomes conjunct Krittika (Eta Tauri---Alcyone) star and so on. That is, in fact, what Shri Darshney Lokesh has done in his “New Vedic Panchang”. Of course, if there are any better suggestions, based on dharmashastra and astronomy available, they will certainly be considered. Coming to Mesha etc. rashis again, as such, if there is any Makar Sankranti as per the Puranas and the siddhantas and Tantra-shastra (again, not as per the Vedas or the VJ!) it is just a synonym of Uttarayana and Karkata Sankranti is another name of Dakshinayana and Mesha Sankranti another name of Vasanta Sampat i.e. Vernal Equinox and Tula Sankranti another name of Hemanta Sampat i.e. Autumnal Equinox and so on. Thus the so called nirayana sankrantis are neither scientific, nor pauranic nor even siddhantic and above all, contrary to geographical phenomena as well, with the result that lunar (synodic) months that are pegged to those very Lahiri or Ramana etc. solar months these days, instead of the seasonal months, as advocated by the Vedanga Jyotisha, or even the Puranas and siddhantas are worse than even Islamic calendar, since the Lahiri/Ramana etc. lunar months are neither connected to seasons nor to the Vedic months Madhu, Madhava etc. and nor to geographical phenomena. No wonder, we are celebrating all the festivals and muhurtas as per the whims and fancies of “Vedic astrologers” instead of the Puranas or the Siddhantas, leave alone the Vedas! That vindicates the statement of Dr. R. N. Iyengar also, “This would set right the other three important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs” The tail piece of this post is that in 46 BC, when the Winter Solstice was being proposed as the start of the new solar year/era by Egyptian astronomer Sosigenes, Jesus Christ was yet nowhere around, and as such, without verifying the facts at all, some people go to the town as usual with their fantastic theories and thereby simply exhibited their “omniscience”. That is why I go on repeating, “We do not need enemies to ruin our dharma! ‘Vedic astrologers’ are doing it in a manner that would put even the enemies to shame”. As such, it is a humble request to “Vedic astrologers” that they may use any ayanamsha or rashichakra or planetary jargon for phalita jyotisha, but they must leave the Hindu calendar alone! Jai Shri Ram! A K Kaul IndiaArchaeology , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is his usual practice. He makes unsubstantiated statements. At least he could have told the name of the text and there is no need to quote the exact verse, if it was a fact. > > Now kindly look at the following well-meant suggestion of Dr. R.N.Iyengar, with all the seriousness it deserves.. > > In our calendar we give the dates for the day of Ganesh Jayanti as well as for the Ganesh Chaturthi. So also we can give include the date of Uttarayana Punyakala on the shortest day in December along with the usual day of Makar Sankranti in January when the Sun enters the Makar Rashi. > > The December date can be called Uttarayana Punyakala or should we call it Surya Jayanti? What does Dr. iyengar say? The Romans were observing the birthday of Mitra (the Sungod) on the Winter Solstice day. One Roman emperor decided to please the Christians by observing the birth day of Jesus Christ on that day though Jesus Christ was born about three months earlier. That is how the Christmas came to be observed around that time. The Hindus will be able to observe the Winter Solstice day (ie. the Uttarayana punyakala) almost at the time the Christians are observing their Christmas. It will be nice if the Government authorities will also declare the Uttarayana punyakala as a holiday. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Wed, 11/18/09, jyotirved jyotirved wrote: > > jyotirved jyotirved > Fw: [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:23 AM > > HinduCalendar, SIVA EXPORIUM sivaexpo@ .> wrote: > > > > - > aareni > > <http://groups. <http://groups.%20/%20group/HinduCalen%20dar/post?%20postID=AaiAWJf Hp%20sttLVcTOfX%0b> / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=AaiAWJfHp sttLVcTOfX > > r-cNp4GRO3LFKV0Fs1j 2vWqi7WFkyQYIs4a Bt3XoiChP9h6s3ZM Bi-Zc18vU> > > > > hinducivilization > > <http://groups. <http://groups.%20/%20group/HinduCalen%20dar/post?%20postID=7REaWjW Jd%20C4z-LhwHej%0b> / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=7REaWjWJd C4z-LhwHej > > q3ESw1cWdLUAUggvzf4 0PDEicH9YvTg222T SSnX6L3NLIGK4oqI HS6HOP3dENk4ty9p bS426I3ba > > EcEIr> > > > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:26 PM > > > > [hc] Re: new vedic panchanga > > > > Good Luck! What you say is correct. At least some of the errors should be > > corrected. I am in particular referring to UttarAyaNa PuNyakAla which has to > > coincide with the onset of the northern movement of Sun which happens around > > 22 December and not on 14th January. This would set right the other three > > important solar points and the monthly SankramaNa. Apart from errors in > > religious observances, farmers following the rainy asterisms (Sun's position > > among the stars)for seed sowing are misled by the current almanacs. There is > > an error of about three weeks which is too large a margin in agricultural > > operations. > > > > RN Iyengar > > > > hinducivilization > > <http://groups. <http://groups.%20/%20group/HinduCalen%20dar/post?%20postID=zi-%20W HJAQMHFEJabkQc4%0b> / group/HinduCalen dar/post? postID=zi- WHJAQMHFEJabkQc4 > > z9q8hv18c_3XDCq_ hest-cptvFjaQLzb v87g9g2Hm3wwQpRz AchjeE77QPxpJA_ -gmoOXSmiAWnh > > Wtbg> , SIVA EXPORIUM sivaexpo@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Should we continue to celebrate all our festivals on wrong days? > > Do you know that we Hindus are celebrating all our festivals now on wrong > > dates? Do you know that when you are said to be born under a particular star > > ( nakshatra), actually your birth star may be some thing else and not the > > one you are supposed to have been born under? Do you realise that due to > > such a discrepancy in taking correct star (nakshatra ), we are unable to > > select a proper muhurth for any purpose? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2009 Report Share Posted November 22, 2009 Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram! In the above post, there has been an oversight in one of the paras, which pl. read as, " .... as it states clearly, " agnir jyotir ahah shuklah shanmasah uttarayanam " in place of " dhoomo ratris tatha krishnah shanmasah uttarayanam " . .. The oversight is regretted. Jai Shri Ram! A K Kaul jyotirved [jyotirved] Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:31 PM 'indiaarchaeology ' Dear friends, Jai Shri Ram! < Jyotirved has failed to give reference to Makar Rekha in ancient Indian texts and this is his usual practice. > Makara Rashi, like all the other rashis, itself is an import in about early centuries of Christian era from Greco-Chaldean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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