RESEARCH: How to find bhavas (houses) from various references?

August 17, 2009

Namaste friends,

Parasara indicated in one place in BPHS that bhavas (houses) could extend across

two signs. He never really defined how to find bhavas, but said in the chapter

on special ascendants that a " bhava chakra " (house chart), or a " bhava koshtha "

as he called it, can be prepared from these references by placing various

planets in various houses, just like we do from lagna. When discussing

ashtakavarga and planetary significations, he said that bhavas can be seen from

Sun, Moon, Mars etc.

So, we can find bhavas from various references, including lagna, planets and

special lagnas, and place various planets in various houses from the reference.

But the key question is: Exactly how do we find bhavas from a given reference?

Do we take the entire sign as a house? If we do that, then Parasara's statement

on possibly houses extending across two signs becomes illogical.

Do we take 15 deg before the reference and 15 deg after the reference as the

first house and take other houses accordingly?

Do we use unequal division methods like Sripathi houses, Krishnamoorthy houses,

Koch houses etc?

I believe the answer exists within BPHS!

* * *

Parasara declared in " graha sphuta drishti kathanaadhyaaya " (planetary

longitudinal aspect evaluation chapter): " I have previously explained the

planetary aspects based on the *signs* occupied by planets. Now I will explain

another kind of planetary aspects based on the *houses* from planets, which are

dependent on their longitudes. "

Then Parasara went on to state that Mars has an aspect on the 4th and 8th houses

from him, Jupiter has an aspect on the 5th and 9th houses from him and Saturn

has an aspect on the 3rd and 10th houses from him.

Of course, one may say " we all know this. What is new in this " . But, what

*follows* is truly significant, for it clarifies what these " houses " from Mars,

Jupiter and Saturn truly are. After all, Parasara went on further and

*quantified* houses based on longitudes!!!

Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the planet's

longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from Mars get a

higher score compared to other planets. In the case of Jupiter, 120-150 deg and

240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score compared to other planets. So these

are the definitions of the corresponding houses from corresponding planets!!!

The 4th house from Mars is 90-120 deg from him. The 5th house from Jupiter is

120-150 deg from him. And so on.

Of course, these values are used in shadbala and programmed by me into

Jagannatha Hora long back. But it was only a few months back that it dawned on

me that here is a clear teaching from Parasara on how to find bhavas (houses)

from reference points! Then I started experimenting with it and satisfied myself

over time.

It was a radical departure from what I was used to, but I had to accept the

words of a maharshi. Moreover, I was intellectually satisfied in the end, after

trying out on many charts - natal and annual.

* * *

The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

If you use the above table, the longitude ranges Parasara mentioned for the 3rd,

4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses regarding the special aspects of Mars,

Jupiter and Saturn will come out correctly.

I recommend using the above table for finding houses with respect to lagna,

special lagnas, planets etc. It is very simple to check manually.

* * *

We say that the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses from lagna form the

visible half. With the above method, those houses will consist of 180-360 deg

from lagna and that half is indeed visible. If we define houses as entire signs

or as " 15 deg before/after " , then a part of 7th house is visible and the

remaining part of 7th house is invisible. Similarly, a part of the 1st house is

visible and the remaining part of 1st house is invisible. But, using the above

method, the entire 1st house is invisible and the entire 7th house is visible

(which should be the case in the first place).

* * *

The above will make a difference in many charts with regard to which planets are

in which houses from lagna, from GL, from Moon, from Jupiter etc. If you are

interested, you can experiment with this in many charts and see if it gives

better results. It is more logical and it is based on Parasara's teachings. I

have been experimenting with this for several months and I am satisfied.

I will not give too many examples at this time, but let me illustrate the

differences with a couple of examples.

Example 1: 1971 April 27, 6:30 am (IST), Bombay, India

The native got married in June 2007 in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as per regular

Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter occupies the 8th sign from the sign containing

lagna, he is actually in the 7th house from lagna. Being the 9th lord in 7th, he

can give marriage.

Example 2 (John Denver): 1943 December 31, 2:55 pm (PDT), 105w00, 33n20

He died in October 1997 in Ketu-Rahu antardasa. Though Ketu and Rahu occupy the

9th and 3rd signs from the sign occupied by lagna, they are actually in the 8th

and 2nd houses from lagna. Being the 7th lord in the 8th house, Ketu is a

maaraka. Being a malefic in the 2nd house, Rahu is a maaraka.

Example 3 (Swami Vivekananda): 1863 January 12, 6:33 am (5:54 hrs east of GMT),

88e30, 22n40

He became a renowned world teacher with the Chicago parliament of religions in

1893. Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa was running as per regular Vimsottari dasa.

Though Jupiter is in the 11th sign from the sign occupied by lagna and GL, he is

in the 10th house from lagna and from GL. That is why Jupiter played an

important role in the karma (work) and made him a world teacher.

* * *

This being a radical change from the norm, I want to go slow with this one. For

now, I will sign off and let interested scholars and students process and digest

this information. I may try to write more later. For example, the impact of this

on ashtakavarga is tricky and significant.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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August 18, 2009

Dear Narasimha,

Thanks for your thoughts and sharing.

I want to make sure I understood you rightly.

a) You are advocating equal house division with lagna-sphuta as the bhavmadhya

and the house spanning the +15/-15 degree zone around it.

b) You are advocating that the lagna sphuta is the reference point and forms the

beginning of the house as recommended by Western astrologers and Krishnamurthy

of the KP fame?

Interestingly, tropical astrologers have called the 'reference point' (ascending

degree for instance) as the door which leads into a room whereas, jyotishis have

considered the reference point (lagna sphuta for example) as the candle or

source of light in the middle of a room/house/bhava that illuminates the rest of

the room and enables the jyotishi to see what is in the room and what brings its

MAYA come alive! Including the bright and dark corners!

Thanks in advance for your reply,

Ranjan

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Parasara indicated in one place in BPHS that bhavas (houses) could extend

across two signs. He never really defined how to find bhavas, but said in the

chapter on special ascendants that a " bhava chakra " (house chart), or a " bhava

koshtha " as he called it, can be prepared from these references by placing

various planets in various houses, just like we do from lagna. When discussing

ashtakavarga and planetary significations, he said that bhavas can be seen from

Sun, Moon, Mars etc.

>

> So, we can find bhavas from various references, including lagna, planets and

special lagnas, and place various planets in various houses from the reference.

>

> But the key question is: Exactly how do we find bhavas from a given reference?

>

> Do we take the entire sign as a house? If we do that, then Parasara's

statement on possibly houses extending across two signs becomes illogical.

>

> Do we take 15 deg before the reference and 15 deg after the reference as the

first house and take other houses accordingly?

>

> Do we use unequal division methods like Sripathi houses, Krishnamoorthy

houses, Koch houses etc?

>

> I believe the answer exists within BPHS!

>

> * * *

>

> Parasara declared in " graha sphuta drishti kathanaadhyaaya " (planetary

longitudinal aspect evaluation chapter): " I have previously explained the

planetary aspects based on the *signs* occupied by planets. Now I will explain

another kind of planetary aspects based on the *houses* from planets, which are

dependent on their longitudes. "

>

> Then Parasara went on to state that Mars has an aspect on the 4th and 8th

houses from him, Jupiter has an aspect on the 5th and 9th houses from him and

Saturn has an aspect on the 3rd and 10th houses from him.

>

> Of course, one may say " we all know this. What is new in this " . But, what

*follows* is truly significant, for it clarifies what these " houses " from Mars,

Jupiter and Saturn truly are. After all, Parasara went on further and

*quantified* houses based on longitudes!!!

>

> Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the planet's

longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from Mars get a

higher score compared to other planets. In the case of Jupiter, 120-150 deg and

240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score compared to other planets. So these

are the definitions of the corresponding houses from corresponding planets!!!

The 4th house from Mars is 90-120 deg from him. The 5th house from Jupiter is

120-150 deg from him. And so on.

>

> Of course, these values are used in shadbala and programmed by me into

Jagannatha Hora long back. But it was only a few months back that it dawned on

me that here is a clear teaching from Parasara on how to find bhavas (houses)

from reference points! Then I started experimenting with it and satisfied myself

over time.

>

> It was a radical departure from what I was used to, but I had to accept the

words of a maharshi. Moreover, I was intellectually satisfied in the end, after

trying out on many charts - natal and annual.

>

> * * *

>

> The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

>

> 1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

> 2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

> 3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

> 4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

> 5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

> 6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

> 7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

> 8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

> 9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

> 10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

> 11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

> 12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

>

> If you use the above table, the longitude ranges Parasara mentioned for the

3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses regarding the special aspects of Mars,

Jupiter and Saturn will come out correctly.

>

> I recommend using the above table for finding houses with respect to lagna,

special lagnas, planets etc. It is very simple to check manually.

>

> * * *

>

> We say that the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses from lagna form the

visible half. With the above method, those houses will consist of 180-360 deg

from lagna and that half is indeed visible. If we define houses as entire signs

or as " 15 deg before/after " , then a part of 7th house is visible and the

remaining part of 7th house is invisible. Similarly, a part of the 1st house is

visible and the remaining part of 1st house is invisible. But, using the above

method, the entire 1st house is invisible and the entire 7th house is visible

(which should be the case in the first place).

>

> * * *

>

> The above will make a difference in many charts with regard to which planets

are in which houses from lagna, from GL, from Moon, from Jupiter etc. If you are

interested, you can experiment with this in many charts and see if it gives

better results. It is more logical and it is based on Parasara's teachings. I

have been experimenting with this for several months and I am satisfied.

>

> I will not give too many examples at this time, but let me illustrate the

differences with a couple of examples.

>

> Example 1: 1971 April 27, 6:30 am (IST), Bombay, India

>

> The native got married in June 2007 in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as per

regular Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter occupies the 8th sign from the sign

containing lagna, he is actually in the 7th house from lagna. Being the 9th lord

in 7th, he can give marriage.

>

> Example 2 (John Denver): 1943 December 31, 2:55 pm (PDT), 105w00, 33n20

>

> He died in October 1997 in Ketu-Rahu antardasa. Though Ketu and Rahu occupy

the 9th and 3rd signs from the sign occupied by lagna, they are actually in the

8th and 2nd houses from lagna. Being the 7th lord in the 8th house, Ketu is a

maaraka. Being a malefic in the 2nd house, Rahu is a maaraka.

>

> Example 3 (Swami Vivekananda): 1863 January 12, 6:33 am (5:54 hrs east of

GMT), 88e30, 22n40

>

> He became a renowned world teacher with the Chicago parliament of religions in

1893. Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa was running as per regular Vimsottari dasa.

Though Jupiter is in the 11th sign from the sign occupied by lagna and GL, he is

in the 10th house from lagna and from GL. That is why Jupiter played an

important role in the karma (work) and made him a world teacher.

>

> * * *

>

> This being a radical change from the norm, I want to go slow with this one.

For now, I will sign off and let interested scholars and students process and

digest this information. I may try to write more later. For example, the impact

of this on ashtakavarga is tricky and significant.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

August 18, 2009

Dear Rao,

Nameste,

It is interesting part of your mail.

" Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the planet's

longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from Mars get a

higher score compared to other planets. In the case of Jupiter, 120-150 deg and

240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score compared to other planets. So these

are the definitions of the corresponding houses from corresponding planets!!!

The 4th house from Mars is 90-120 deg from him. The 5th house from Jupiter is

120-150 deg from him. And so on. "

By the way Parashar also talked of fractional aspect but Can you refer any

verse that he taught to mean degreecal distances.I will like to re read and

understand ,If you choose o point out.

Please do not take it a challange.One KP astrologer also gave an strong argument

that parashariya aspect and western aspect are almost similar in reality.

Now your interesting research is likly to establish that modern undestanding of

ancient wisdom is superior to those who wrote and followed so far.

with best wishes.

RCS

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Parasara indicated in one place in BPHS that bhavas (houses) could extend

across two signs. He never really defined how to find bhavas, but said in the

chapter on special ascendants that a " bhava chakra " (house chart), or a " bhava

koshtha " as he called it, can be prepared from these references by placing

various planets in various houses, just like we do from lagna. When discussing

ashtakavarga and planetary significations, he said that bhavas can be seen from

Sun, Moon, Mars etc.

>

> So, we can find bhavas from various references, including lagna, planets and

special lagnas, and place various planets in various houses from the reference.

>

> But the key question is: Exactly how do we find bhavas from a given reference?

>

> Do we take the entire sign as a house? If we do that, then Parasara's

statement on possibly houses extending across two signs becomes illogical.

>

> Do we take 15 deg before the reference and 15 deg after the reference as the

first house and take other houses accordingly?

>

> Do we use unequal division methods like Sripathi houses, Krishnamoorthy

houses, Koch houses etc?

>

> I believe the answer exists within BPHS!

>

> * * *

>

> Parasara declared in " graha sphuta drishti kathanaadhyaaya " (planetary

longitudinal aspect evaluation chapter): " I have previously explained the

planetary aspects based on the *signs* occupied by planets. Now I will explain

another kind of planetary aspects based on the *houses* from planets, which are

dependent on their longitudes. "

>

> Then Parasara went on to state that Mars has an aspect on the 4th and 8th

houses from him, Jupiter has an aspect on the 5th and 9th houses from him and

Saturn has an aspect on the 3rd and 10th houses from him.

>

> Of course, one may say " we all know this. What is new in this " . But, what

*follows* is truly significant, for it clarifies what these " houses " from Mars,

Jupiter and Saturn truly are. After all, Parasara went on further and

*quantified* houses based on longitudes!!!

>

> Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the planet's

longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from Mars get a

higher score compared to other planets. In the case of Jupiter, 120-150 deg and

240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score compared to other planets. So these

are the definitions of the corresponding houses from corresponding planets!!!

The 4th house from Mars is 90-120 deg from him. The 5th house from Jupiter is

120-150 deg from him. And so on.

>

> Of course, these values are used in shadbala and programmed by me into

Jagannatha Hora long back. But it was only a few months back that it dawned on

me that here is a clear teaching from Parasara on how to find bhavas (houses)

from reference points! Then I started experimenting with it and satisfied myself

over time.

>

> It was a radical departure from what I was used to, but I had to accept the

words of a maharshi. Moreover, I was intellectually satisfied in the end, after

trying out on many charts - natal and annual.

>

> * * *

>

> The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

>

> 1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

> 2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

> 3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

> 4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

> 5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

> 6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

> 7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

> 8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

> 9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

> 10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

> 11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

> 12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

>

> If you use the above table, the longitude ranges Parasara mentioned for the

3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses regarding the special aspects of Mars,

Jupiter and Saturn will come out correctly.

>

> I recommend using the above table for finding houses with respect to lagna,

special lagnas, planets etc. It is very simple to check manually.

>

> * * *

>

> We say that the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses from lagna form the

visible half. With the above method, those houses will consist of 180-360 deg

from lagna and that half is indeed visible. If we define houses as entire signs

or as " 15 deg before/after " , then a part of 7th house is visible and the

remaining part of 7th house is invisible. Similarly, a part of the 1st house is

visible and the remaining part of 1st house is invisible. But, using the above

method, the entire 1st house is invisible and the entire 7th house is visible

(which should be the case in the first place).

>

> * * *

>

> The above will make a difference in many charts with regard to which planets

are in which houses from lagna, from GL, from Moon, from Jupiter etc. If you are

interested, you can experiment with this in many charts and see if it gives

better results. It is more logical and it is based on Parasara's teachings. I

have been experimenting with this for several months and I am satisfied.

>

> I will not give too many examples at this time, but let me illustrate the

differences with a couple of examples.

>

> Example 1: 1971 April 27, 6:30 am (IST), Bombay, India

>

> The native got married in June 2007 in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as per

regular Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter occupies the 8th sign from the sign

containing lagna, he is actually in the 7th house from lagna. Being the 9th lord

in 7th, he can give marriage.

>

> Example 2 (John Denver): 1943 December 31, 2:55 pm (PDT), 105w00, 33n20

>

> He died in October 1997 in Ketu-Rahu antardasa. Though Ketu and Rahu occupy

the 9th and 3rd signs from the sign occupied by lagna, they are actually in the

8th and 2nd houses from lagna. Being the 7th lord in the 8th house, Ketu is a

maaraka. Being a malefic in the 2nd house, Rahu is a maaraka.

>

> Example 3 (Swami Vivekananda): 1863 January 12, 6:33 am (5:54 hrs east of

GMT), 88e30, 22n40

>

> He became a renowned world teacher with the Chicago parliament of religions in

1893. Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa was running as per regular Vimsottari dasa.

Though Jupiter is in the 11th sign from the sign occupied by lagna and GL, he is

in the 10th house from lagna and from GL. That is why Jupiter played an

important role in the karma (work) and made him a world teacher.

>

> * * *

>

> This being a radical change from the norm, I want to go slow with this one.

For now, I will sign off and let interested scholars and students process and

digest this information. I may try to write more later. For example, the impact

of this on ashtakavarga is tricky and significant.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

August 18, 2009

Dear Narasimha

Very interesting topic...thanks..

Please may I ask one question though to understand further what you are trying

to convey? On the one hand you are saying that a house is 15 deg +/- the

designated reference i.e lagna? If then John Denver's lagna is 17 41 Taurus and

Ketu is 13 57 Capricorn, then surely Ketu is only 4 deg away from the ninth

house cusp so belongs in ninth house as it is 26 degrees away from the 8th house

cusp and so outside the 15+/- range? Or is there something I missed in

understanding what you are saying?

best wishes

Margaret

-

Narasimha PVR Rao

vedic astrology ; ;

sohamsa

Monday, August 17, 2009 10:43 PM

RESEARCH: How to find bhavas (houses) from various

references?

Namaste friends,

Parasara indicated in one place in BPHS that bhavas (houses) could extend

across two signs. He never really defined how to find bhavas, but said in the

chapter on special ascendants that a " bhava chakra " (house chart), or a " bhava

koshtha " as he called it, can be prepared from these references by placing

various planets in various houses, just like we do from lagna. When discussing

ashtakavarga and planetary significations, he said that bhavas can be seen from

Sun, Moon, Mars etc.

So, we can find bhavas from various references, including lagna, planets and

special lagnas, and place various planets in various houses from the reference.

But the key question is: Exactly how do we find bhavas from a given reference?

Do we take the entire sign as a house? If we do that, then Parasara's

statement on possibly houses extending across two signs becomes illogical.

Do we take 15 deg before the reference and 15 deg after the reference as the

first house and take other houses accordingly?

Do we use unequal division methods like Sripathi houses, Krishnamoorthy

houses, Koch houses etc?

I believe the answer exists within BPHS!

* * *

Parasara declared in " graha sphuta drishti kathanaadhyaaya " (planetary

longitudinal aspect evaluation chapter): " I have previously explained the

planetary aspects based on the *signs* occupied by planets. Now I will explain

another kind of planetary aspects based on the *houses* from planets, which are

dependent on their longitudes. "

Then Parasara went on to state that Mars has an aspect on the 4th and 8th

houses from him, Jupiter has an aspect on the 5th and 9th houses from him and

Saturn has an aspect on the 3rd and 10th houses from him.

Of course, one may say " we all know this. What is new in this " . But, what

*follows* is truly significant, for it clarifies what these " houses " from Mars,

Jupiter and Saturn truly are. After all, Parasara went on further and

*quantified* houses based on longitudes!!!

Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the planet's

longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from Mars get a

higher score compared to other planets. In the case of Jupiter, 120-150 deg and

240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score compared to other planets. So these

are the definitions of the corresponding houses from corresponding planets!!!

The 4th house from Mars is 90-120 deg from him. The 5th house from Jupiter is

120-150 deg from him. And so on.

Of course, these values are used in shadbala and programmed by me into

Jagannatha Hora long back. But it was only a few months back that it dawned on

me that here is a clear teaching from Parasara on how to find bhavas (houses)

from reference points! Then I started experimenting with it and satisfied myself

over time.

It was a radical departure from what I was used to, but I had to accept the

words of a maharshi. Moreover, I was intellectually satisfied in the end, after

trying out on many charts - natal and annual.

* * *

The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

If you use the above table, the longitude ranges Parasara mentioned for the

3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses regarding the special aspects of Mars,

Jupiter and Saturn will come out correctly.

I recommend using the above table for finding houses with respect to lagna,

special lagnas, planets etc. It is very simple to check manually.

* * *

We say that the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses from lagna form the

visible half. With the above method, those houses will consist of 180-360 deg

from lagna and that half is indeed visible. If we define houses as entire signs

or as " 15 deg before/after " , then a part of 7th house is visible and the

remaining part of 7th house is invisible. Similarly, a part of the 1st house is

visible and the remaining part of 1st house is invisible. But, using the above

method, the entire 1st house is invisible and the entire 7th house is visible

(which should be the case in the first place).

* * *

The above will make a difference in many charts with regard to which planets

are in which houses from lagna, from GL, from Moon, from Jupiter etc. If you are

interested, you can experiment with this in many charts and see if it gives

better results. It is more logical and it is based on Parasara's teachings. I

have been experimenting with this for several months and I am satisfied.

I will not give too many examples at this time, but let me illustrate the

differences with a couple of examples.

Example 1: 1971 April 27, 6:30 am (IST), Bombay, India

The native got married in June 2007 in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as per

regular Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter occupies the 8th sign from the sign

containing lagna, he is actually in the 7th house from lagna. Being the 9th lord

in 7th, he can give marriage.

Example 2 (John Denver): 1943 December 31, 2:55 pm (PDT), 105w00, 33n20

He died in October 1997 in Ketu-Rahu antardasa. Though Ketu and Rahu occupy

the 9th and 3rd signs from the sign occupied by lagna, they are actually in the

8th and 2nd houses from lagna. Being the 7th lord in the 8th house, Ketu is a

maaraka. Being a malefic in the 2nd house, Rahu is a maaraka.

Example 3 (Swami Vivekananda): 1863 January 12, 6:33 am (5:54 hrs east of

GMT), 88e30, 22n40

He became a renowned world teacher with the Chicago parliament of religions in

1893. Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa was running as per regular Vimsottari dasa.

Though Jupiter is in the 11th sign from the sign occupied by lagna and GL, he is

in the 10th house from lagna and from GL. That is why Jupiter played an

important role in the karma (work) and made him a world teacher.

* * *

This being a radical change from the norm, I want to go slow with this one.

For now, I will sign off and let interested scholars and students process and

digest this information. I may try to write more later. For example, the impact

of this on ashtakavarga is tricky and significant.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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August 18, 2009

Namaste friends,

Take Swami Vivekananda's chart for example. Lagna is at 26 deg in Sg.

Those who take entire signs as houses will get 0-30 deg in Sg as the 1st house,

0-30 deg in Cp as the 2nd house etc.

Those who take +/- 15 deg from reference as the first house will get 11 deg in

Sg to 11 deg in Cp as the 1st house, 11 deg in Cp to 11 deg in Aq as the 2nd

house etc.

What I am proposing (based on a critical reading of Parasara, i.e. this is not

really my original " idea " ) is that 26 deg in Sg to 26 deg in Cp is the 1st

house, 26 deg in Cp to 26 deg in Aq is the 2nd house etc.

I am told that Krishnamoorthy used the same method, though he did not use equal

30 deg houses and used unequal Placidus houses. However, he apparently took

lagna as the *beginning* of the first house and not as the *middle* of the first

house.

BTW, I hope this reply answers other questions by Ranjan, Marg, Rishi etc on

other lists too.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , " shortcut " <shortcutfromdos wrote:

> Hi PVR ji,

>

> I think i am missing something here you have mentioned that

>

> The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

> 1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

> 2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

> 3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

> 4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

> 5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

> 6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

> 7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

> 8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

> 9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

> 10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

> 11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

> 12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

>

> How is it different from the way we currently use ? currently since

> rashi is of 30 deg house are ending at every 30 deg.

>

> Is it that - if lagna is 1 deg aries then next house starts at 1 deg

> Taurus, and same with every planet. Can you please explain.

>

> sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > Parasara indicated in one place in BPHS that bhavas (houses) could

> extend across two signs. He never really defined how to find bhavas, but

> said in the chapter on special ascendants that a " bhava chakra " (house

> chart), or a " bhava koshtha " as he called it, can be prepared from these

> references by placing various planets in various houses, just like we do

> from lagna. When discussing ashtakavarga and planetary significations,

> he said that bhavas can be seen from Sun, Moon, Mars etc.

> >

> > So, we can find bhavas from various references, including lagna,

> planets and special lagnas, and place various planets in various houses

> from the reference.

> >

> > But the key question is: Exactly how do we find bhavas from a given

> reference?

> >

> > Do we take the entire sign as a house? If we do that, then Parasara's

> statement on possibly houses extending across two signs becomes

> illogical.

> >

> > Do we take 15 deg before the reference and 15 deg after the reference

> as the first house and take other houses accordingly?

> >

> > Do we use unequal division methods like Sripathi houses,

> Krishnamoorthy houses, Koch houses etc?

> >

> > I believe the answer exists within BPHS!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Parasara declared in " graha sphuta drishti kathanaadhyaaya " (planetary

> longitudinal aspect evaluation chapter): " I have previously explained

> the planetary aspects based on the *signs* occupied by planets. Now I

> will explain another kind of planetary aspects based on the *houses*

> from planets, which are dependent on their longitudes. "

> >

> > Then Parasara went on to state that Mars has an aspect on the 4th and

> 8th houses from him, Jupiter has an aspect on the 5th and 9th houses

> from him and Saturn has an aspect on the 3rd and 10th houses from him.

> >

> > Of course, one may say " we all know this. What is new in this " . But,

> what *follows* is truly significant, for it clarifies what these

> " houses " from Mars, Jupiter and Saturn truly are. After all, Parasara

> went on further and *quantified* houses based on longitudes!!!

> >

> > Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the

> planet's longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from

> Mars get a higher score compared to other planets. In the case of

> Jupiter, 120-150 deg and 240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score

> compared to other planets. So these are the definitions of the

> corresponding houses from corresponding planets!!! The 4th house from

> Mars is 90-120 deg from him. The 5th house from Jupiter is 120-150 deg

> from him. And so on.

> >

> > Of course, these values are used in shadbala and programmed by me into

> Jagannatha Hora long back. But it was only a few months back that it

> dawned on me that here is a clear teaching from Parasara on how to find

> bhavas (houses) from reference points! Then I started experimenting with

> it and satisfied myself over time.

> >

> > It was a radical departure from what I was used to, but I had to

> accept the words of a maharshi. Moreover, I was intellectually satisfied

> in the end, after trying out on many charts - natal and annual.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

> >

> > 1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

> > 2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

> > 3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

> > 4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

> > 5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

> > 6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

> > 7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

> > 8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

> > 9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

> > 10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

> > 11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

> > 12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

> >

> > If you use the above table, the longitude ranges Parasara mentioned

> for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses regarding the special

> aspects of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn will come out correctly.

> >

> > I recommend using the above table for finding houses with respect to

> lagna, special lagnas, planets etc. It is very simple to check manually.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > We say that the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses from lagna

> form the visible half. With the above method, those houses will consist

> of 180-360 deg from lagna and that half is indeed visible. If we define

> houses as entire signs or as " 15 deg before/after " , then a part of 7th

> house is visible and the remaining part of 7th house is invisible.

> Similarly, a part of the 1st house is visible and the remaining part of

> 1st house is invisible. But, using the above method, the entire 1st

> house is invisible and the entire 7th house is visible (which should be

> the case in the first place).

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > The above will make a difference in many charts with regard to which

> planets are in which houses from lagna, from GL, from Moon, from Jupiter

> etc. If you are interested, you can experiment with this in many charts

> and see if it gives better results. It is more logical and it is based

> on Parasara's teachings. I have been experimenting with this for several

> months and I am satisfied.

> >

> > I will not give too many examples at this time, but let me illustrate

> the differences with a couple of examples.

> >

> > Example 1: 1971 April 27, 6:30 am (IST), Bombay, India

> >

> > The native got married in June 2007 in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as

> per regular Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter occupies the 8th sign from

> the sign containing lagna, he is actually in the 7th house from lagna.

> Being the 9th lord in 7th, he can give marriage.

> >

> > Example 2 (John Denver): 1943 December 31, 2:55 pm (PDT), 105w00,

> 33n20

> >

> > He died in October 1997 in Ketu-Rahu antardasa. Though Ketu and Rahu

> occupy the 9th and 3rd signs from the sign occupied by lagna, they are

> actually in the 8th and 2nd houses from lagna. Being the 7th lord in the

> 8th house, Ketu is a maaraka. Being a malefic in the 2nd house, Rahu is

> a maaraka.

> >

> > Example 3 (Swami Vivekananda): 1863 January 12, 6:33 am (5:54 hrs east

> of GMT), 88e30, 22n40

> >

> > He became a renowned world teacher with the Chicago parliament of

> religions in 1893. Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa was running as per regular

> Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter is in the 11th sign from the sign

> occupied by lagna and GL, he is in the 10th house from lagna and from

> GL. That is why Jupiter played an important role in the karma (work) and

> made him a world teacher.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > This being a radical change from the norm, I want to go slow with this

> one. For now, I will sign off and let interested scholars and students

> process and digest this information. I may try to write more later. For

> example, the impact of this on ashtakavarga is tricky and significant.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

August 18, 2009

Dear PVR ji,

Namaste.

I have few questions regarding this. Please excuse my ignorance if you

feel them as silly/insignificant.

1. If we are preparing bhava chakra w.r.t. lagna, does lagna always

fall at 0' of the first house?

2. Is default bhava chakra different from rasi chart? Or are you

implying that both mean same?

3. Do we decide age of a planet based on regular rasi chart or this

bhava chakara?

4. If you meant to say regular rasi chart and bhava chakras are

different, can you please let us know how to use both of these charts? I

mean their applicability in case of various scenarios.

5. Can we apply this concept in other D charts as well?

Thank you very much for sharing this good paper with us.

Regards,

nagarjuna

________________________________

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf

Of Narasimha PVR Rao

Monday, August 17, 2009 4:44 PM

vedic astrology ; ;

sohamsa

RESEARCH: How to find bhavas (houses) from various

references?

Namaste friends,

Parasara indicated in one place in BPHS that bhavas (houses) could

extend across two signs. He never really defined how to find bhavas, but

said in the chapter on special ascendants that a " bhava chakra " (house

chart), or a " bhava koshtha " as he called it, can be prepared from these

references by placing various planets in various houses, just like we do

from lagna. When discussing ashtakavarga and planetary significations,

he said that bhavas can be seen from Sun, Moon, Mars etc.

So, we can find bhavas from various references, including lagna, planets

and special lagnas, and place various planets in various houses from the

reference.

But the key question is: Exactly how do we find bhavas from a given

reference?

Do we take the entire sign as a house? If we do that, then Parasara's

statement on possibly houses extending across two signs becomes

illogical.

Do we take 15 deg before the reference and 15 deg after the reference as

the first house and take other houses accordingly?

Do we use unequal division methods like Sripathi houses, Krishnamoorthy

houses, Koch houses etc?

I believe the answer exists within BPHS!

* * *

Parasara declared in " graha sphuta drishti kathanaadhyaaya " (planetary

longitudinal aspect evaluation chapter): " I have previously explained

the planetary aspects based on the *signs* occupied by planets. Now I

will explain another kind of planetary aspects based on the *houses*

from planets, which are dependent on their longitudes. "

Then Parasara went on to state that Mars has an aspect on the 4th and

8th houses from him, Jupiter has an aspect on the 5th and 9th houses

from him and Saturn has an aspect on the 3rd and 10th houses from him.

Of course, one may say " we all know this. What is new in this " . But,

what *follows* is truly significant, for it clarifies what these

" houses " from Mars, Jupiter and Saturn truly are. After all, Parasara

went on further and *quantified* houses based on longitudes!!!

Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the planet's

longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from Mars get

a higher score compared to other planets. In the case of Jupiter,

120-150 deg and 240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score compared to

other planets. So these are the definitions of the corresponding houses

from corresponding planets!!! The 4th house from Mars is 90-120 deg from

him. The 5th house from Jupiter is 120-150 deg from him. And so on.

Of course, these values are used in shadbala and programmed by me into

Jagannatha Hora long back. But it was only a few months back that it

dawned on me that here is a clear teaching from Parasara on how to find

bhavas (houses) from reference points! Then I started experimenting with

it and satisfied myself over time.

It was a radical departure from what I was used to, but I had to accept

the words of a maharshi. Moreover, I was intellectually satisfied in the

end, after trying out on many charts - natal and annual.

* * *

The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

If you use the above table, the longitude ranges Parasara mentioned for

the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses regarding the special

aspects of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn will come out correctly.

I recommend using the above table for finding houses with respect to

lagna, special lagnas, planets etc. It is very simple to check manually.

* * *

We say that the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses from lagna

form the visible half. With the above method, those houses will consist

of 180-360 deg from lagna and that half is indeed visible. If we define

houses as entire signs or as " 15 deg before/after " , then a part of 7th

house is visible and the remaining part of 7th house is invisible.

Similarly, a part of the 1st house is visible and the remaining part of

1st house is invisible. But, using the above method, the entire 1st

house is invisible and the entire 7th house is visible (which should be

the case in the first place).

* * *

The above will make a difference in many charts with regard to which

planets are in which houses from lagna, from GL, from Moon, from Jupiter

etc. If you are interested, you can experiment with this in many charts

and see if it gives better results. It is more logical and it is based

on Parasara's teachings. I have been experimenting with this for several

months and I am satisfied.

I will not give too many examples at this time, but let me illustrate

the differences with a couple of examples.

Example 1: 1971 April 27, 6:30 am (IST), Bombay, India

The native got married in June 2007 in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as per

regular Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter occupies the 8th sign from the

sign containing lagna, he is actually in the 7th house from lagna. Being

the 9th lord in 7th, he can give marriage.

Example 2 (John Denver): 1943 December 31, 2:55 pm (PDT), 105w00, 33n20

He died in October 1997 in Ketu-Rahu antardasa. Though Ketu and Rahu

occupy the 9th and 3rd signs from the sign occupied by lagna, they are

actually in the 8th and 2nd houses from lagna. Being the 7th lord in the

8th house, Ketu is a maaraka. Being a malefic in the 2nd house, Rahu is

a maaraka.

Example 3 (Swami Vivekananda): 1863 January 12, 6:33 am (5:54 hrs east

of GMT), 88e30, 22n40

He became a renowned world teacher with the Chicago parliament of

religions in 1893. Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa was running as per regular

Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter is in the 11th sign from the sign

occupied by lagna and GL, he is in the 10th house from lagna and from

GL. That is why Jupiter played an important role in the karma (work) and

made him a world teacher.

* * *

This being a radical change from the norm, I want to go slow with this

one. For now, I will sign off and let interested scholars and students

process and digest this information. I may try to write more later. For

example, the impact of this on ashtakavarga is tricky and significant.

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------------------

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-------------------------

August 18, 2009

I think it has to do with planetary 'field of vision' as stated in the other

forum.

RR

vedic astrology , Rishi Rahul <rishirahul1961 wrote:

>

> Namashkar Narasimhaji,

>

> Krishnamoorthyji followed this method too, as I had mentioned in my previous

post, but used Placidius house divisions. This is the main essence of K.P.

method of prediction which I have found to be accurate, particularly when the

K.P. method is strictly applied.

>

> I really didn't understand Parashara Muni's logic, as mentioned by you... it

could not seep in yet. If you could kindly make it simpler?

>

> RishiRahul

>

> vedic astrology ; ;

sohamsa

> pvr

> Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:38:05 -0400

> [vedic astrology] Re: RESEARCH: How to find bhavas (houses) from

various references?

>

Namaste friends,

>

> Take Swami Vivekananda's chart for example. Lagna is at 26 deg in Sg.

>

> Those who take entire signs as houses will get 0-30 deg in Sg as the 1st

house, 0-30 deg in Cp as the 2nd house etc.

>

> Those who take +/- 15 deg from reference as the first house will get 11 deg in

Sg to 11 deg in Cp as the 1st house, 11 deg in Cp to 11 deg in Aq as the 2nd

house etc.

>

> What I am proposing (based on a critical reading of Parasara, i.e. this is not

really my original " idea " ) is that 26 deg in Sg to 26 deg in Cp is the 1st

house, 26 deg in Cp to 26 deg in Aq is the 2nd house etc.

>

> I am told that Krishnamoorthy used the same method, though he did not use

equal 30 deg houses and used unequal Placidus houses. However, he apparently

took lagna as the *beginning* of the first house and not as the *middle* of the

first house.

>

> BTW, I hope this reply answers other questions by Ranjan, Marg, Rishi etc on

other lists too.

>

> Best regards,

>

> Narasimha

>

> -------------------------

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

>

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

>

> Spirituality:

>

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

>

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

>

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

> -------------------------

>

> sohamsa , " shortcut " <shortcutfromdos@> wrote:

>

> > Hi PVR ji,

>

> >

>

> > I think i am missing something here you have mentioned that

>

> >

>

> > The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

>

> > 1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

>

> > 2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

>

> > 3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

>

> > 4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

>

> > 5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

>

> > 6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

>

> > 7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

>

> > 8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

>

> > 9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

>

> > 10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

>

> > 11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

>

> > 12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

>

> >

>

> > How is it different from the way we currently use ? currently since

>

> > rashi is of 30 deg house are ending at every 30 deg.

>

> >

>

> > Is it that - if lagna is 1 deg aries then next house starts at 1 deg

>

> > Taurus, and same with every planet. Can you please explain.

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Namaste friends,

>

> > >

>

> > > Parasara indicated in one place in BPHS that bhavas (houses) could

>

> > extend across two signs. He never really defined how to find bhavas, but

>

> > said in the chapter on special ascendants that a " bhava chakra " (house

>

> > chart), or a " bhava koshtha " as he called it, can be prepared from these

>

> > references by placing various planets in various houses, just like we do

>

> > from lagna. When discussing ashtakavarga and planetary significations,

>

> > he said that bhavas can be seen from Sun, Moon, Mars etc.

>

> > >

>

> > > So, we can find bhavas from various references, including lagna,

>

> > planets and special lagnas, and place various planets in various houses

>

> > from the reference.

>

> > >

>

> > > But the key question is: Exactly how do we find bhavas from a given

>

> > reference?

>

> > >

>

> > > Do we take the entire sign as a house? If we do that, then Parasara's

>

> > statement on possibly houses extending across two signs becomes

>

> > illogical.

>

> > >

>

> > > Do we take 15 deg before the reference and 15 deg after the reference

>

> > as the first house and take other houses accordingly?

>

> > >

>

> > > Do we use unequal division methods like Sripathi houses,

>

> > Krishnamoorthy houses, Koch houses etc?

>

> > >

>

> > > I believe the answer exists within BPHS!

>

> > >

>

> > > * * *

>

> > >

>

> > > Parasara declared in " graha sphuta drishti kathanaadhyaaya " (planetary

>

> > longitudinal aspect evaluation chapter): " I have previously explained

>

> > the planetary aspects based on the *signs* occupied by planets. Now I

>

> > will explain another kind of planetary aspects based on the *houses*

>

> > from planets, which are dependent on their longitudes. "

>

> > >

>

> > > Then Parasara went on to state that Mars has an aspect on the 4th and

>

> > 8th houses from him, Jupiter has an aspect on the 5th and 9th houses

>

> > from him and Saturn has an aspect on the 3rd and 10th houses from him.

>

> > >

>

> > > Of course, one may say " we all know this. What is new in this " . But,

>

> > what *follows* is truly significant, for it clarifies what these

>

> > " houses " from Mars, Jupiter and Saturn truly are. After all, Parasara

>

> > went on further and *quantified* houses based on longitudes!!!

>

> > >

>

> > > Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the

>

> > planet's longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from

>

> > Mars get a higher score compared to other planets. In the case of

>

> > Jupiter, 120-150 deg and 240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score

>

> > compared to other planets. So these are the definitions of the

>

> > corresponding houses from corresponding planets!!! The 4th house from

>

> > Mars is 90-120 deg from him. The 5th house from Jupiter is 120-150 deg

>

> > from him. And so on.

>

> > >

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> > > Of course, these values are used in shadbala and programmed by me into

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> > Jagannatha Hora long back. But it was only a few months back that it

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> > dawned on me that here is a clear teaching from Parasara on how to find

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> > bhavas (houses) from reference points! Then I started experimenting with

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> > it and satisfied myself over time.

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> > >

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> > > It was a radical departure from what I was used to, but I had to

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> > accept the words of a maharshi. Moreover, I was intellectually satisfied

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> > in the end, after trying out on many charts - natal and annual.

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> > >

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> > > * * *

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> > >

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> > > The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

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> > >

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> > > 1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

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> > > 2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

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> > > 3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

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> > > 4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

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> > > 5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

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> > > 6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

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> > > 7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

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> > > 8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

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> > > 9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

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> > > 10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

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> > > 11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

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> > > 12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

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> > >

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> > > If you use the above table, the longitude ranges Parasara mentioned

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> > for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses regarding the special

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> > aspects of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn will come out correctly.

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> > >

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> > > I recommend using the above table for finding houses with respect to

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> > lagna, special lagnas, planets etc. It is very simple to check manually.

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> > >

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> > > * * *

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> > >

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> > > We say that the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses from lagna

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> > form the visible half. With the above method, those houses will consist

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> > of 180-360 deg from lagna and that half is indeed visible. If we define

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> > houses as entire signs or as " 15 deg before/after " , then a part of 7th

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> > house is visible and the remaining part of 7th house is invisible.

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> > Similarly, a part of the 1st house is visible and the remaining part of

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> > 1st house is invisible. But, using the above method, the entire 1st

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> > house is invisible and the entire 7th house is visible (which should be

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> > the case in the first place).

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> > >

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> > > * * *

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> > >

>

> > > The above will make a difference in many charts with regard to which

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> > planets are in which houses from lagna, from GL, from Moon, from Jupiter

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> > etc. If you are interested, you can experiment with this in many charts

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> > and see if it gives better results. It is more logical and it is based

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> > on Parasara's teachings. I have been experimenting with this for several

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> > months and I am satisfied.

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> > >

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> > > I will not give too many examples at this time, but let me illustrate

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> > the differences with a couple of examples.

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> > >

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> > > Example 1: 1971 April 27, 6:30 am (IST), Bombay, India

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> > >

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> > > The native got married in June 2007 in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as

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> > per regular Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter occupies the 8th sign from

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> > the sign containing lagna, he is actually in the 7th house from lagna.

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> > Being the 9th lord in 7th, he can give marriage.

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> > >

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> > > Example 2 (John Denver): 1943 December 31, 2:55 pm (PDT), 105w00,

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> > 33n20

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> > >

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> > > He died in October 1997 in Ketu-Rahu antardasa. Though Ketu and Rahu

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> > occupy the 9th and 3rd signs from the sign occupied by lagna, they are

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> > actually in the 8th and 2nd houses from lagna. Being the 7th lord in the

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> > 8th house, Ketu is a maaraka. Being a malefic in the 2nd house, Rahu is

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> > a maaraka.

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> > >

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> > > Example 3 (Swami Vivekananda): 1863 January 12, 6:33 am (5:54 hrs east

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> > of GMT), 88e30, 22n40

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> > >

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> > > He became a renowned world teacher with the Chicago parliament of

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> > religions in 1893. Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa was running as per regular

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> > Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter is in the 11th sign from the sign

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> > occupied by lagna and GL, he is in the 10th house from lagna and from

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> > GL. That is why Jupiter played an important role in the karma (work) and

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> > made him a world teacher.

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> > >

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> > > * * *

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> > >

>

> > > This being a radical change from the norm, I want to go slow with this

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> > one. For now, I will sign off and let interested scholars and students

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> > process and digest this information. I may try to write more later. For

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> > example, the impact of this on ashtakavarga is tricky and significant.

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> > >

>

> > > Best regards,

>

> > > Narasimha

>

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