Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Respected Gurujans How do we gauge creativity from a persons chart? What houses and Divisional chart do we see. From interaction with leaned astrologers i understand that we see the 5th house and also d-5 and d-9 but what other divisions and houses are to be considered. Are third house and d3 connected to creativity. What houses in d-27 are seen fo rthis. Do we have to consider d-7 and the 7th house also? Since 1st house shows intelligence. It must have some role to play. how do we consider this house? thanks and regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Dear Namita ji, Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence), buddhi (intellect), viveka (discrimination), vidya (learning), etc., form a good package for creativity to be. Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some area, in some house! Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn’t our toothless Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? Just sharing some random thoughts! Thanks and Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Respected Neelam ji Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. thanks and regards namita , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Namita ji, > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence), buddhi > (intellect), viveka (discrimination), vidya (learning), etc., form a good > package for creativity to be. > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > area, in some house! > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > Thanks and Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Namita ji, Shouldn't you be looking at artists, musicians, poets and mystics when studying about creativity rather than studying boring scientists (present company if any, excepted, of course!)! Or how about mothers who produced and more importantly shaped and supported a Genius? Sorry for interrupting the thread! RR , " Namita Jain " <namita.saket wrote: > > Respected Neelam ji > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > thanks and regards > namita > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence), buddhi > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination), vidya (learning), etc., form a good > > package for creativity to be. > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > > area, in some house! > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Namita ji, When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries'. This was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I clearly remember one point he made: A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. How true this statement is! When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of dharma/spirituality. Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Namita Jain <namita.saket Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM Re: Creativity and Jyotish Respected Neelam ji Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. thanks and regards namita , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Namita ji, > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > package for creativity to be. > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > area, in some house! > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > Thanks and Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Nice posting! I must have missed out on what you perhaps already commented about the Famous Einstein's tenth house in Kshetra varga! RR , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Namita ji, > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries'. This was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > How true this statement is! > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of dharma/spirituality. > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ________________________________ > Namita Jain <namita.saket > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > Respected Neelam ji > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > thanks and regards > namita > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > > package for creativity to be. > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > > area, in some house! > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Krishna Ji, Also crucial is the Debilitated Mercury attaining Neecha Bhanga. I have noticed several such combinations of Moon/Mercury in children with very high functioning Autism. There is a common perception that Einstein may have had Aspergers Syndrome, which is a very high functioning Autism, which may have been the key to his Genius. Children with Autism are unable to learn in the normal way because of their inability to " imitate and copy " . However if this disability is overcome over the years, the same disability becomes an " ability " because their inability to " imitate and copy " leads them to " innovate and invent " , as Einstein did. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 Tuesday, August 4, 2009 10:35:59 PM Re: Re: Creativity and Jyotish Dear Namita ji, When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I clearly remember one point he made: A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. How true this statement is! When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of dharma/spirituality . Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Namita Jain <namita.saket@ gmail.com> Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM Re: Creativity and Jyotish Respected Neelam ji Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. thanks and regards namita , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Namita ji, > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > package for creativity to be. > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > area, in some house! > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > Thanks and Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 thanks Neelam ji Krishna ji RohiniRanjan ji Yes poets musicians painters are all very creative people. But as Krishnaji said that scientists too choose their path inspired by a spark of intuition, and think of novel ways to demonstrate them. I would like to learn how this path of creativity unfolds in a chart. Krishna ji has given very important inputs in this regard. I also want to know about other types of creativity (creative writing, music composers) and would be happy if Rohiniranjan ji can throw some light on this. Krishna ji I understand Rahu is important for abstract and out of box thinking and jupiter for expansion so the combination should bring in something really novel. However Rahu is considered to be enemy of jupiter. So the interpretation is usually not good. How to find weather the aspect will be benefic for the persons' creativity or not. Such a chart is discussed in the Srijagannath forum earlier. /message/30928] </message/30928%5D> Here is Krishna ji's reply to this question /message/30963 </message/30963> I would request Krishnaji to rexamine the chart in context of ongoing discussion. Thanks and regards namita , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Nice posting! I must have missed out on what you perhaps already commented about the Famous Einstein's tenth house in Kshetra varga! > > RR > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries'. This was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > > > How true this statement is! > > > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of dharma/spirituality. > > > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Namita Jain namita.saket@ > > > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > > > Respected Neelam ji > > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. > > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > > > thanks and regards > > namita > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > > > package for creativity to be. > > > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > > > area, in some house! > > > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Krishnamurthy ji, hope i am not interupting.Creativity combined with spirituality and also science and research ;your example of swamy Chinmayananda and Einstein are really good. In this regard both yourself and Neelam ji have mentioned Rahu.I have Rahu in my 5th house in mutual aspect with venus 2nd and 9th lord in 11th ofcorse with Ketu.5th lord saturn is vargottama and exalted in 2nd is also aspected by jupiter4,7 from 10th.Jupiter conjuncts vargottama saturn in 8th in Navamsa of venus who is exalted in lagna and in exchange with jupiter as well. Apart from spirituality from my early age there is no material achievements at all.I have been practicing kriya yoga since last 35 yrs or so.Into astrology since 1996.But one thing .I am contented. If you please show some more light i will be obliged.I am giving my birth details below. D.O.B.......17/9/1953 P.O.B.....GUNTUR(INDIA) T.O.B.......6.35hrs. Regards, gopi. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Namita ji, > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries'. This was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > How true this statement is! > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of dharma/spirituality. > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ________________________________ > Namita Jain namita.saket > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > Respected Neelam ji > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > thanks and regards > namita > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > > package for creativity to be. > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > > area, in some house! > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Krishnamurthy ji, Thank you for the nice post. It will also be worthwhile to check Einstein's chart from moon as creativity is more of a mental phenomenon. Scorpio, the rashi that holds the secret wealth, dispositor and LL Mars exalted in 3H of concentration and dhyana with 41 AV points, conjunct rahu in moon's nakshatra. Mars sitting in upchaya house, boosts 6/10 the other two friendly upchay sthans as well as the moon's sign cancer and 9H. 5H is constantly in action with 3 kendra lords, forming major rajyogas in 5H and 8L mercury giving the thrust to extra-ordinary research. Just some additional points! Regards Neelam 2009/8/5 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998: > > > Dear Namita ji, > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk > about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries'. This was about > 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I > clearly remember one point he made: > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of > experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he > instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was > unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for > years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or > public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If > something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully > focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind > improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more > disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > How true this statement is! > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to > think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays > an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of > dharma/spirituality. > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of > debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and > hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest > point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under > parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it > behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its > exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules > logic. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ________________________________ > Namita Jain <namita.saket > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > Respected Neelam ji > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative > potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How > each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have > thrown some light on the subject. > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we > differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this > too how can we make out the subject of research. > > thanks and regards > namita > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > wrote: >> >> Dear Namita ji, >> >> Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say >> so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential >> and >> ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous >> merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, >> some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi >> (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good >> package for creativity to be. >> >> Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may >> not >> be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of >> creativity >> could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the >> environs >> to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! >> >> It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their >> inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this >> dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not >> born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some >> area, in some house! >> >> Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity >> wells >> from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, >> thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours >> to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. >> >> An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, >> which >> is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity >> of >> ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless >> Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU >> throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? >> >> Just sharing some random thoughts! >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Neelam >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Gopi ji, When I first looked at your chart, I was astonished by very visible excellent placements of many planets both in Rasi and in Navamsha. However, one can see some inherent weakness that has robbed lot of the charm w.r.t creativity: From Lagna: - 9L Venus is close to Gandantha, hence is weak - 5L Saturn is disposited by weak Venus - Vargottama strength of Saturn is very low as there is huge difference in placement in terms of degrees in Rasi and Navamsha From Moon: (Similar pattern as from Lagna) - 9L Sun is weak being in Rasi Sandhi - 5L Mars is disposited by weak Sun However, you are blessed with a very strong lagna lord and very good placement of Moon. No wonder that you are a contented man. I tried to rectify your chart using my technique and find that the rectified time to be 6:33:44. You may want to use it in case you want to study varga charts in detail. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 8:52:42 PM Re: Creativity and Jyotish Dear Krishnamurthy ji, hope i am not interupting. Creativity combined with spirituality and also science and research ;your example of swamy Chinmayananda and Einstein are really good. In this regard both yourself and Neelam ji have mentioned Rahu.I have Rahu in my 5th house in mutual aspect with venus 2nd and 9th lord in 11th ofcorse with Ketu.5th lord saturn is vargottama and exalted in 2nd is also aspected by jupiter4,7 from 10th.Jupiter conjuncts vargottama saturn in 8th in Navamsa of venus who is exalted in lagna and in exchange with jupiter as well. Apart from spirituality from my early age there is no material achievements at all.I have been practicing kriya yoga since last 35 yrs or so.Into astrology since 1996.But one thing .I am contented. If you please show some more light i will be obliged.I am giving my birth details below. D.O.B....... 17/9/1953 P.O.B.....GUNTUR( INDIA) T.O.B....... 6.35hrs. Regards, gopi. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Namita ji, > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > How true this statement is! > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of dharma/spirituality . > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Namita Jain namita.saket@ ... > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > Respected Neelam ji > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > thanks and regards > namita > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > > package for creativity to be. > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > > area, in some house! > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for the additional points. I learn from each and every posting of yours :-) Regards, Krishna ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 9:15:07 PM Re: Re: Creativity and Jyotish Dear Krishnamurthy ji, Thank you for the nice post. It will also be worthwhile to check Einstein's chart from moon as creativity is more of a mental phenomenon. Scorpio, the rashi that holds the secret wealth, dispositor and LL Mars exalted in 3H of concentration and dhyana with 41 AV points, conjunct rahu in moon's nakshatra. Mars sitting in upchaya house, boosts 6/10 the other two friendly upchay sthans as well as the moon's sign cancer and 9H. 5H is constantly in action with 3 kendra lords, forming major rajyogas in 5H and 8L mercury giving the thrust to extra-ordinary research. Just some additional points! Regards Neelam 2009/8/5 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >: > > > Dear Namita ji, > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk > about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This was about > 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I > clearly remember one point he made: > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of > experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he > instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was > unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for > years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or > public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If > something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully > focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind > improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more > disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > How true this statement is! > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to > think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays > an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of > dharma/spirituality . > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of > debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and > hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest > point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under > parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it > behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its > exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules > logic. > > Regards, > Krishna > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Namita Jain <namita.saket@ gmail.com> > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > Respected Neelam ji > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative > potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How > each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have > thrown some light on the subject. > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we > differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this > too how can we make out the subject of research. > > thanks and regards > namita > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > wrote: >> >> Dear Namita ji, >> >> Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say >> so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential >> and >> ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous >> merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, >> some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi >> (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good >> package for creativity to be. >> >> Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may >> not >> be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of >> creativity >> could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the >> environs >> to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! >> >> It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their >> inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this >> dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not >> born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some >> area, in some house! >> >> Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity >> wells >> from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, >> thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours >> to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. >> >> An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, >> which >> is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity >> of >> ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless >> Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU >> throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? >> >> Just sharing some random thoughts! >> >> Thanks and Regards >> Neelam >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Krishnamurthy ji, thank you for your time and analysis.Yes my chart appears like that and i feel it is a good chart for research.The saying appearances are deceptive is true in my chart. The main problem i find is though mercury is powerful as you said it is in papakartari yoga as lagna and 10th lord with all three 6,8,12 lords zooming on.....the ray of hope and grace may be jupiter's 4th aspect. Secondly the yogakaraqka venus became weeak as you said. From moon also 10th house and 10th lord are in papakartari inspite of a Rajayoga!yes moon is strengthened by jupiter. What about Rahu?I read somewhere that tamil scriptures praise Rahu in capricorn.The present operating dasa is Rahu.Hope that Neelam ji also will have a look at it and come out with a few gems. By the way i am a bachelor to the core.Hope that this helps the study. I will study the rectified time for sure leisurely and deeply but the time i gave you is rectified by me basing Divisional charts..... Love and regards, gopi. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Gopi ji, > > When I first looked at your chart, I was astonished by very visible excellent placements of many planets both in Rasi and in Navamsha. However, one can see some inherent weakness that has robbed lot of the charm w.r.t creativity: > > From Lagna: > > - 9L Venus is close to Gandantha, hence is weak > - 5L Saturn is disposited by weak Venus > - Vargottama strength of Saturn is very low as there is huge difference in placement in terms of degrees in Rasi and Navamsha > > From Moon: (Similar pattern as from Lagna) > > - 9L Sun is weak being in Rasi Sandhi > - 5L Mars is disposited by weak Sun > > > However, you are blessed with a very strong lagna lord and very good placement of Moon. No wonder that you are a contented man. > > I tried to rectify your chart using my technique and find that the rectified time to be 6:33:44. You may want to use it in case you want to study varga charts in detail. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > ________________________________ > gopi_b927 gopi_b927 > > Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 8:52:42 PM > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > Dear Krishnamurthy ji, > > hope i am not interupting. Creativity combined with spirituality and also > science and research ;your example of swamy Chinmayananda and Einstein > are really good. > > In this regard both yourself and Neelam ji have mentioned Rahu.I have > Rahu in my 5th house in mutual aspect with venus 2nd and 9th lord in > 11th ofcorse with Ketu.5th lord saturn is vargottama and exalted in 2nd > is also aspected by jupiter4,7 from 10th.Jupiter conjuncts vargottama > saturn in 8th in Navamsa of venus who is exalted in lagna and in > exchange with jupiter as well. Apart from spirituality from my early age > there is no material achievements at all.I have been practicing kriya > yoga since last 35 yrs or so.Into astrology since 1996.But one thing ..I > am contented. > > If you please show some more light i will be obliged.I am giving my > birth details below. > > D.O.B....... 17/9/1953 > > P.O.B.....GUNTUR( INDIA) > > T.O.B....... 6.35hrs. > > Regards, > > gopi. > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to > talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This > was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, > till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of > experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he > instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that > was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of > experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the > scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could > understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to > someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular > problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing > ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined > /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > > > How true this statement is! > > > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the > ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of > creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the > lord of dharma/spirituality . > > > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign > of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of > debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting > closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a > Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with > Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in > its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu > is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Namita Jain namita.saket@ ... > > > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > > > Respected Neelam ji > > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative > potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. > How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. > You have thrown some light on the subject. > > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how > can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. > In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > > > thanks and regards > > namita > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I > may say > > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the > essential and > > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of > previous > > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. > Further, > > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form > a good > > > package for creativity to be. > > > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, > may not > > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of > creativity > > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the > environs > > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity > emerges! > > > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and > their > > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is > not > > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in > some > > > area, in some house! > > > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where > creativity wells > > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the > idea, > > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their > colours > > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of > creativity, which > > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. > Creativity of > > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our > toothless > > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about > RAHU > > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Gopi ji, Lagnesh mercury rises in exact conjunction with lagna. It forms a nice Bhadra MPY in lagna and makes you the bhadra purush that you are, but lagna and lagnesh are with 12L sun besides being in PKY. Any malefic influence afflicts both lagna-lagnesh. Rahu is in exact trine (not good for progeny) from lagna-LL. Lagnesh is debilitated in lagna in navamsha and navamsha LL is in 8H with 8L. An exalted venus in navamsh lagna, but it is the 3/8 lord, not good for lagna giving obstacles and problems. From Moon, moon is also 8L in lagna, aspected by 3L Saturn (6L from lagna). These are some issues which can predispose the chart to challenges in life. Continuous supportive dashas often lift the chart, which has not happened. 12L sun with its MD at the prime of life could have given you a difficult time. In D-10, Moon is LL in 8H, hence not expected to give good results regarding profession. Mars is 3/8 lord, understandably not encouraging for virgo lagna in 12H. For any extraordinary rise or achievement, there must be a good number of rajyogas in both d-1 and d-9. Involvement of lagna/lagnesh or moon/moon sign lord is a must in rajyogas (as in Einstein’s chart). This seems to be missing. Saturn is exalted 5L aspecting 9L venus, giving spiritual inclinations and progress, but Saturn is also 6L which afflicts venus, both its signs, moon and cancer, which affects the significations of both moon and venus. Rahu with its exalted dispositor seems to be a good dasha for spiritual sadhna etc., but will also bring forth challenging issues from Ra-Ve onwards. This might test your creativity in handling the situation. Thank you for sharing your chart. Best Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Gopi ji, Though Mercury is in PKY, it does not get affected that much as it is exaltated. However, the weakness comes from the fact that it is debilitated in Navamsha. Rahu being the co-lord of 6H, its aspect on Lagna/LL is not good. Hmm.. I wonder what prevented you from getting married. Venus is weak. Jupiter has kendradhipatya dosha. Jupiter is also 7L. In Navamsha, 7L Mercury is debilitated and falls in Rahu-Ketu axis. But, I wonder if this is sufficient to deny marriage? Do I miss something? Regards, Krishna ________________________________ gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 11:24:32 PM Re: Creativity and Jyotish Dear Krishnamurthy ji, thank you for your time and analysis.Yes my chart appears like that and i feel it is a good chart for research.The saying appearances are deceptive is true in my chart. The main problem i find is though mercury is powerful as you said it is in papakartari yoga as lagna and 10th lord with all three 6,8,12 lords zooming on.....the ray of hope and grace may be jupiter's 4th aspect. Secondly the yogakaraqka venus became weeak as you said. From moon also 10th house and 10th lord are in papakartari inspite of a Rajayoga!yes moon is strengthened by jupiter. What about Rahu?I read somewhere that tamil scriptures praise Rahu in capricorn.The present operating dasa is Rahu.Hope that Neelam ji also will have a look at it and come out with a few gems. By the way i am a bachelor to the core.Hope that this helps the study. I will study the rectified time for sure leisurely and deeply but the time i gave you is rectified by me basing Divisional charts..... Love and regards, gopi. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Gopi ji, > > When I first looked at your chart, I was astonished by very visible excellent placements of many planets both in Rasi and in Navamsha. However, one can see some inherent weakness that has robbed lot of the charm w.r.t creativity: > > From Lagna: > > - 9L Venus is close to Gandantha, hence is weak > - 5L Saturn is disposited by weak Venus > - Vargottama strength of Saturn is very low as there is huge difference in placement in terms of degrees in Rasi and Navamsha > > From Moon: (Similar pattern as from Lagna) > > - 9L Sun is weak being in Rasi Sandhi > - 5L Mars is disposited by weak Sun > > > However, you are blessed with a very strong lagna lord and very good placement of Moon. No wonder that you are a contented man. > > I tried to rectify your chart using my technique and find that the rectified time to be 6:33:44. You may want to use it in case you want to study varga charts in detail. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > gopi_b927 gopi_b927@.. . > > Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 8:52:42 PM > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > Dear Krishnamurthy ji, > > hope i am not interupting. Creativity combined with spirituality and also > science and research ;your example of swamy Chinmayananda and Einstein > are really good. > > In this regard both yourself and Neelam ji have mentioned Rahu.I have > Rahu in my 5th house in mutual aspect with venus 2nd and 9th lord in > 11th ofcorse with Ketu.5th lord saturn is vargottama and exalted in 2nd > is also aspected by jupiter4,7 from 10th.Jupiter conjuncts vargottama > saturn in 8th in Navamsa of venus who is exalted in lagna and in > exchange with jupiter as well. Apart from spirituality from my early age > there is no material achievements at all.I have been practicing kriya > yoga since last 35 yrs or so.Into astrology since 1996.But one thing ..I > am contented. > > If you please show some more light i will be obliged.I am giving my > birth details below. > > D.O.B....... 17/9/1953 > > P.O.B.....GUNTUR( INDIA) > > T.O.B....... 6.35hrs. > > Regards, > > gopi. > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to > talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This > was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, > till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of > experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he > instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that > was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of > experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the > scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could > understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to > someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular > problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing > ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined > /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > > > How true this statement is! > > > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the > ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of > creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the > lord of dharma/spirituality . > > > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign > of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of > debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting > closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a > Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with > Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in > its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu > is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Namita Jain namita.saket@ ... > > > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > > > Respected Neelam ji > > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative > potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. > How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. > You have thrown some light on the subject. > > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how > can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. > In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > > > thanks and regards > > namita > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I > may say > > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the > essential and > > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of > previous > > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. > Further, > > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form > a good > > > package for creativity to be. > > > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, > may not > > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of > creativity > > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the > environs > > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity > emerges! > > > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and > their > > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is > not > > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in > some > > > area, in some house! > > > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where > creativity wells > > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the > idea, > > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their > colours > > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of > creativity, which > > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. > Creativity of > > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our > toothless > > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about > RAHU > > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Krishnamurthy ji, Its sharing and learning (or even the other way round) for all of us, I guess. Thanks:-) Regards Neelam 2009/8/5 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > Thanks for the additional points. I learn from each and every posting of > yours :-) > > Regards, > Krishna > > ________________________________ > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 <neelamgupta07%40gmail.com>> > <%40> > Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 9:15:07 PM > Re: Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > Dear Krishnamurthy ji, > > Thank you for the nice post. > It will also be worthwhile to check Einstein's chart from moon as > creativity is more of a mental phenomenon. > Scorpio, the rashi that holds the secret wealth, dispositor and LL > Mars exalted in 3H of concentration and dhyana with 41 AV points, > conjunct rahu in moon's nakshatra. > Mars sitting in upchaya house, boosts 6/10 the other two friendly > upchay sthans as well as the moon's sign cancer and 9H. > 5H is constantly in action with 3 kendra lords, forming major rajyogas > in 5H and 8L mercury giving the thrust to extra-ordinary research. > > Just some additional points! > > Regards > Neelam > > 2009/8/5 Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ >: > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk > > about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This was > about > > 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I > > clearly remember one point he made: > > > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of > > experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he > > instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that > was > > unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments > for > > years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community > or > > public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If > > something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully > > focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the > mind > > improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become > more > > disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > > > How true this statement is! > > > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability > to > > think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) > plays > > an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of > > dharma/spirituality . > > > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of > > debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation > and > > hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its > deepest > > point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under > > parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result > it > > behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies > its > > exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules > > logic. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Namita Jain <namita.saket@ gmail.com> > > > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > Respected Neelam ji > > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative > > potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How > > each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You > have > > thrown some light on the subject. > > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can > we > > differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this > > too how can we make out the subject of research. > > > > thanks and regards > > namita > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> > > wrote: > >> > >> Dear Namita ji, > >> > >> Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may > say > >> so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential > >> and > >> ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of > previous > >> merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. > Further, > >> some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > >> (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a > good > >> package for creativity to be. > >> > >> Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may > >> not > >> be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of > >> creativity > >> could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the > >> environs > >> to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > >> > >> It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > >> inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > >> dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > >> born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > >> area, in some house! > >> > >> Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity > >> wells > >> from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the > idea, > >> thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their > colours > >> to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > >> > >> An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, > >> which > >> is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity > >> of > >> ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > >> Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > >> throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > >> > >> Just sharing some random thoughts! > >> > >> Thanks and Regards > >> Neelam > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, Gopi ji and all, //Venus is weak. Jupiter has kendradhipatya dosha. Jupiter is also 7L. In Navamsha, 7L Mercury is debilitated and falls in Rahu-Ketu axis. But, I wonder if this is sufficient to deny marriage? Do I miss something? // You’ve raised a very pertinent point. In many cases we see worse afflictions and natives get married. But I think it is a sum total of all influences, including dasha and other linked milestones for his future destination and destiny. I few more points may be noted in this chart. 7H/7L is weak and there is no benefic influence, more clearly seen in navamsha where the exchange of navamsh LL jup and 8L venus with its association with the nodes and 7L mercury is quite revealing. These are also indications towards self denial and lack of inclination to get married. Dasha sequence has not been conducive for marriage, which is a strong negative factor. Venus MD, which could’ve supported marriage, was over when he was just 23. After that Sun was rather separative, moon though aspects 7L, is aspected by a strong 6L Saturn, which afflicts 4H, moon, 8H and venus. Mars, of course, is again more of denial and affliction. Denial of children in a chart is also seen as an add on factor for negation of marriage (KNR). Rahu at exact trine, in 5H from lagna and lagnesh which continues in saptamsha is indicative of some karmic deficiency regarding children. It also afflicts 9H and 9L venus. Jupiter, the karaka is weak and also 3/12L from 5H in 6H. 5L Saturn is also the 6L, though in strength, but has its MT sign in 6H and creates a karak-marak situation between 5/6 houses. Mars is 3/8L in the chart in 8H from 5H at exact degrees of Rahu, also afflicting 7H. Hope that is useful. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, You could see 'Saraswati Yoga' operating in Einstein's chart. That is another reason for his high level of intelligence. I am not sure about Autism though. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 11:50:56 AM Re: Re: Creativity and Jyotish Dear Krishna Ji, Also crucial is the Debilitated Mercury attaining Neecha Bhanga. I have noticed several such combinations of Moon/Mercury in children with very high functioning Autism. There is a common perception that Einstein may have had Aspergers Syndrome, which is a very high functioning Autism, which may have been the key to his Genius. Children with Autism are unable to learn in the normal way because of their inability to " imitate and copy " . However if this disability is overcome over the years, the same disability becomes an " ability " because their inability to " imitate and copy " leads them to " innovate and invent " , as Einstein did. Regards, -Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > Tuesday, August 4, 2009 10:35:59 PM Re: Re: Creativity and Jyotish Dear Namita ji, When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I clearly remember one point he made: A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. How true this statement is! When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of dharma/spirituality . Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Namita Jain <namita.saket@ gmail.com> Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM Re: Creativity and Jyotish Respected Neelam ji Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. thanks and regards namita , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Namita ji, > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > package for creativity to be. > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > area, in some house! > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > Thanks and Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for bringing up the additional points. If this chart was given to me and was asked to find the probable period of marriage, I wouldn't have predicted that there is denial of marriage for this native. Though there are many factors leading to it, there is not a single strong factor that clearly stands out to call the denial. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Thursday, 6 August, 2009 1:15:14 PM Re: Re: Creativity and Jyotish Dear Krishna ji, Gopi ji and all, //Venus is weak. Jupiter has kendradhipatya dosha. Jupiter is also 7L. In Navamsha, 7L Mercury is debilitated and falls in Rahu-Ketu axis. But, I wonder if this is sufficient to deny marriage? Do I miss something? // You’ve raised a very pertinent point. In many cases we see worse afflictions and natives get married. But I think it is a sum total of all influences, including dasha and other linked milestones for his future destination and destiny. I few more points may be noted in this chart. 7H/7L is weak and there is no benefic influence, more clearly seen in navamsha where the exchange of navamsh LL jup and 8L venus with its association with the nodes and 7L mercury is quite revealing. These are also indications towards self denial and lack of inclination to get married. Dasha sequence has not been conducive for marriage, which is a strong negative factor. Venus MD, which could’ve supported marriage, was over when he was just 23. After that Sun was rather separative, moon though aspects 7L, is aspected by a strong 6L Saturn, which afflicts 4H, moon, 8H and venus. Mars, of course, is again more of denial and affliction. Denial of children in a chart is also seen as an add on factor for negation of marriage (KNR). Rahu at exact trine, in 5H from lagna and lagnesh which continues in saptamsha is indicative of some karmic deficiency regarding children. It also afflicts 9H and 9L venus. Jupiter, the karaka is weak and also 3/12L from 5H in 6H. 5L Saturn is also the 6L, though in strength, but has its MT sign in 6H and creates a karak-marak situation between 5/6 houses. Mars is 3/8L in the chart in 8H from 5H at exact degrees of Rahu, also afflicting 7H. Hope that is useful. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Namita, One of you points about Jupiter and Rahu prompted me to look up one of my very old posts to Vedic-Astrology group when Guru-Chandala yoga was being discussed. I have copied that message here: What I understand from Guru-Rahu combination is that it makes the native think unconventionally. He/she may not accept the traditions by the face value without questioning and satisfied with the answers. Hence, he/she may not respect some traditions that does not make logical sense (from his/her point of view). His/her unconventional thinking would result in rising to higher levels faster than others or it could make them law breakers as some of the laws may not make sense to them. Hence, the rest of the horoscope will have a bearing on whether they rise in positive space or negative space. Some of the famous people who have this Guru-Rahu conjunction are: - Christopher Columbus - Charles Sobhraj - Jo Jo Starbuck - Madonna - Micheal Jackson And, a similar effect is seen in charts where Guru and Rahu aspect each other. They are again unconventional thinkers and naturally we can find such combination in the charts of researchers, scientists and people with unique approach in what they do. Some of such people are: - Pierre Curie - Mary Curie - Louis Pasteur - JRD Tata - Srinivasa Ramanujan - J Krishnamurthy - Alexander Graham Bell - Marilyn Monroe - Nathuram Ghodse - Alexander The Great - Winston Churchill - J F Kennedy - Jawaharlal Nehru - Srila Prabhupada Hence, Guru-Rahu combintion which is infamously known as Guru-Chandala Yoga, need not necessarily be bad. It should be looked at with the rest of the horoscope as background. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Namita Jain <namita.saket Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 3:48:35 PM Re: Creativity and Jyotish thanks Neelam ji Krishna ji RohiniRanjan ji Yes poets musicians painters are all very creative people. But as Krishnaji said that scientists too choose their path inspired by a spark of intuition, and think of novel ways to demonstrate them. I would like to learn how this path of creativity unfolds in a chart. Krishna ji has given very important inputs in this regard. I also want to know about other types of creativity (creative writing, music composers) and would be happy if Rohiniranjan ji can throw some light on this. Krishna ji I understand Rahu is important for abstract and out of box thinking and jupiter for expansion so the combination should bring in something really novel. However Rahu is considered to be enemy of jupiter. So the interpretation is usually not good. How to find weather the aspect will be benefic for the persons' creativity or not. Such a chart is discussed in the Srijagannath forum earlier. http://groups. / group/srijaganna th/message/ 30928] <http://groups. / group/srijaganna th/message/ 30928%5D> Here is Krishna ji's reply to this question http://groups. / group/srijaganna th/message/ 30963 <http://groups. / group/srijaganna th/message/ 30963> I would request Krishnaji to rexamine the chart in context of ongoing discussion. Thanks and regards namita , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > Nice posting! I must have missed out on what you perhaps already commented about the Famous Einstein's tenth house in Kshetra varga! > > RR > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > > > How true this statement is! > > > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the lord of dharma/spirituality . > > > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Namita Jain namita.saket@ > > > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > > > Respected Neelam ji > > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. > > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > > > thanks and regards > > namita > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > > > package for creativity to be. > > > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > > > area, in some house! > > > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Krishna ji, Moon and venus under full control of Saturn can lead to denial of marriage, especially when there is no benefic influence on 7H/7L. Here moon, cancer, venus, libra and Taurus are all under saturn’s control. Saturn strongly influencing moon gives a thirst for spirituality and its association with venus leads to vairagya. More so in this case as Saturn and venus enjoy 5/9 lordship. It might be difficult to blame any one factor solely for any event, but I think this may be a very strong factor. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I am sorry, please exclude taurus! Neelam 2009/8/6 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > Dear Krishna ji, > > Moon and venus under full control of Saturn can lead to denial of marriage, > especially when there is no benefic influence on 7H/7L. Here moon, cancer, > venus, libra and Taurus are all under saturn’s control. Saturn strongly > influencing moon gives a thirst for spirituality and its association with > venus leads to vairagya. More so in this case as Saturn and venus enjoy 5/9 > lordship. > > It might be difficult to blame any one factor solely for any event, but I > think this may be a very strong factor. > > Regards > Neelam > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Sabitabrata Royroysabi2009 Subject:Re:Creativity and Jyotish To: Date:Thursday,6 August,2009,10:10PM Respected Namitaji, Creativity with success depends on minimum 4 planets combination including sun & venus. Ofcourse,their constellation will have to taken into account.. --- On Tue, 4/8/09, Namita Jain <namita.saket wrote: Namita Jain <namita.saket Re: Creativity and Jyotish Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 9:51 AM Respected Neelam ji Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. In this too how can we make out the subject of research. thanks and regards namita , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Namita ji, > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I may say > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the essential and > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of previous > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. Further, > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , buddhi > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., form a good > package for creativity to be. > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, however, may not > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of creativity > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide the environs > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity emerges! > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and their > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be this > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone is not > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in some > area, in some house! > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where creativity wells > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces the idea, > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their colours > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of creativity, which > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. Creativity of > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our toothless > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about RAHU > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > Thanks and Regards > Neelam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear All, Einstein's chart teaches me something else too. For creativity to find expression, one must be endowed with a special form of imagination, much more passionate and intensely focused than the 'day-dreaming' kind, although that is good 'training' too ;-) Moon is where imagination rests in my world-view, others may disagree. But Einstein's moon is in debility and in the nakshatra of debilitated mercury who is lagnesha and placed in the 10th house (mission). Dispositors have a role to play, our texts remind us. In this chart, moon is the lord of 2nd (learning, acquisitions of worth, niyama etc) placed in the 6th with its dispositor mars in the house of exaltation with rahu, in the 8th house and aspecting the 2nd house. Was it mars and rahu that gave Einstein the mental boldness to do research in an area where others had not gone before? Or does the passion and one-pointed focus come from the mars and venus being placed in the 11th in navamsha while moon is placed in the 10th in navamsha with the sun fully aspecting it (poorna expression of Light)? One wonders if in all these skeins of fate and free-will the 2nd house aspect of family and personal relationships had to be placed on the back-burner? For the pada-lovers the 11th house, the 11th pada may bring some nice information too. A comparison of vimshottari and ashtottari may also bring some interesting information for those who wish to explore on their own... Good luck and best wishes to all! Rohiniranjan , " Namita Jain " <namita.saket wrote: > > thanks Neelam ji Krishna ji RohiniRanjan ji > > Yes poets musicians painters are all very creative people. But as > Krishnaji said that scientists too choose their path inspired by a > spark of intuition, and think of novel ways to demonstrate them. I would > like to learn how this path of creativity unfolds in a chart. Krishna ji > has given very important inputs in this regard. > I also want to know about other types of creativity (creative writing, > music composers) and would be happy if Rohiniranjan ji can throw some > light on this. > > Krishna ji I understand Rahu is important for abstract and out of box > thinking and jupiter for expansion so the combination should bring in > something really novel. However Rahu is considered to be enemy of > jupiter. So the interpretation is usually not good. How to find weather > the aspect will be benefic for the persons' creativity or not. > > Such a chart is discussed in the Srijagannath forum earlier. > /message/30928] > </message/30928%5D> > Here is Krishna ji's reply to this question > /message/30963 > </message/30963> > I would request Krishnaji to rexamine the chart in context of ongoing > discussion. > > Thanks and regards > namita > > , " Rohiniranjan " <jyotish_vani@> > wrote: > > > > Nice posting! I must have missed out on what you perhaps already > commented about the Famous Einstein's tenth house in Kshetra varga! > > > > RR > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > krishna_1998@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to > talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries'. This > was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, > till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > > > > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of > experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he > instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new that > was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of > experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the > scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could > understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to > someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular > problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its focussing > ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined > /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > > > > > How true this statement is! > > > > > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the > ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of > creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the > lord of dharma/spirituality. > > > > > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the > sign of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of > debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting > closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a > Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with > Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in > its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. Rahu > is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Namita Jain namita.saket@ > > > > > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > > > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam ji > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some > creative potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or > another. How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to > understand. You have thrown some light on the subject. > > > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how > can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common people. > In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > namita > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I > may say > > > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the > essential and > > > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of > previous > > > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. > Further, > > > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , > buddhi > > > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., > form a good > > > > package for creativity to be. > > > > > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, > however, may not > > > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of > creativity > > > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide > the environs > > > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity > emerges! > > > > > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and > their > > > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be > this > > > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone > is not > > > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in > some > > > > area, in some house! > > > > > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where > creativity wells > > > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces > the idea, > > > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their > colours > > > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of > creativity, which > > > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. > Creativity of > > > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our > toothless > > > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about > RAHU > > > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Gopi ji I just took note of this thread. I beg your pardon in advance if this question is inappropriate - but has marriage simply been denied in your life or hve you also been disinterested in it? I ask because I've noticed, esp in charts of spiritual natives, tht when both UL and lord of UL are influenced by Saturn the native seems to have absolutely no interest in marriage, more so when the planet happens to be Venus!. rgds Su , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Krishnamurthy ji, > > thank you for your time and analysis.Yes my chart appears like that and > i feel it is a good chart for research.The saying appearances are > deceptive is true in my chart. > > The main problem i find is though mercury is powerful as you said it is > in papakartari yoga as lagna and 10th lord with all three 6,8,12 lords > zooming on.....the ray of hope and grace may be jupiter's 4th aspect. > > Secondly the yogakaraqka venus became weeak as you said. > > From moon also 10th house and 10th lord are in papakartari inspite of a > Rajayoga!yes moon is strengthened by jupiter. > > What about Rahu?I read somewhere that tamil scriptures praise Rahu in > capricorn.The present operating dasa is Rahu.Hope that Neelam ji also > will have a look at it and come out with a few gems. > > By the way i am a bachelor to the core.Hope that this helps the study. > > I will study the rectified time for sure leisurely and deeply but the > time i gave you is rectified by me basing Divisional charts..... > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > When I first looked at your chart, I was astonished by very visible > excellent placements of many planets both in Rasi and in Navamsha. > However, one can see some inherent weakness that has robbed lot of the > charm w.r.t creativity: > > > > From Lagna: > > > > - 9L Venus is close to Gandantha, hence is weak > > - 5L Saturn is disposited by weak Venus > > - Vargottama strength of Saturn is very low as there is huge > difference in placement in terms of degrees in Rasi and Navamsha > > > > From Moon: (Similar pattern as from Lagna) > > > > - 9L Sun is weak being in Rasi Sandhi > > - 5L Mars is disposited by weak Sun > > > > > > However, you are blessed with a very strong lagna lord and very good > placement of Moon. No wonder that you are a contented man. > > > > I tried to rectify your chart using my technique and find that the > rectified time to be 6:33:44. You may want to use it in case you want to > study varga charts in detail. > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > > > ________________________________ > > gopi_b927 gopi_b927@ > > > > Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 8:52:42 PM > > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnamurthy ji, > > > > hope i am not interupting. Creativity combined with spirituality and > also > > science and research ;your example of swamy Chinmayananda and Einstein > > are really good. > > > > In this regard both yourself and Neelam ji have mentioned Rahu.I have > > Rahu in my 5th house in mutual aspect with venus 2nd and 9th lord in > > 11th ofcorse with Ketu.5th lord saturn is vargottama and exalted in > 2nd > > is also aspected by jupiter4,7 from 10th.Jupiter conjuncts vargottama > > saturn in 8th in Navamsa of venus who is exalted in lagna and in > > exchange with jupiter as well. Apart from spirituality from my early > age > > there is no material achievements at all.I have been practicing kriya > > yoga since last 35 yrs or so.Into astrology since 1996.But one thing > .I > > am contented. > > > > If you please show some more light i will be obliged.I am giving my > > birth details below. > > > > D.O.B....... 17/9/1953 > > > > P.O.B.....GUNTUR( INDIA) > > > > T.O.B....... 6.35hrs. > > > > Regards, > > > > gopi. > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > > > When I was studying at IISc., we had invited Swami Chinmayananda to > > talk about 'The Role of Spirituality in Scientific Discoveries' . This > > was about 30 years ago. Though I have forgotten most of what he said, > > till today I clearly remember one point he made: > > > > > > A scientist does not discover something at the end of a series of > > experiments. However, first something strikes him suddenly, he > > instantaneously recognizes that he has latched on to something new > that > > was unknown until then. However, he goes on conducting series of > > experiments for years just to be able to demonstrate his idea to the > > scientific community or public at large, in a way that they could > > understand and appreciate. If something like that has to strike to > > someone, their mind has to be fully focussed on a particular > > problem/topic. Spirituality can help make the mind improve its > focussing > > ability. Spirituality can help the mind to become more disciplined > > /fcoussed so that more discoveries could be achieved. > > > > > > How true this statement is! > > > > > > When it comes to mind, it is ruled by Moon. And, Rahu gives the > > ability to think beyod the traditional knowledge or borders. 5L (of > > creativity) plays an importnat role too. The other piece is 9L - the > > lord of dharma/spirituality . > > > > > > Let us look at Albert Einstein's chart. His Moon though is in the > sign > > of debilitation, has comfortably crossed the deepest point of > > debilitation and hence is not tainted. Its dispositor Mars is getting > > closer to its deepest point of exaltation. 5L Venus is exalted in a > > Kendra! 9L satrun is under parivartana with Jupiter in Rasi and with > > Venus in Navamsha. As a result it behaves like a vargottama planet in > > its MT sign (9H). It also occupies its exaltation sign in Navamsha. > Rahu > > is conjunct Mars, the planet that rules logic. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Namita Jain namita.saket@ ... > > > > > > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009 3:21:45 PM > > > Re: Creativity and Jyotish > > > > > > > > > Respected Neelam ji > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree every one has some > creative > > potential in them. And all the houses contribute in a way or another. > > How each house makes a difference is perhaps important to understand. > > You have thrown some light on the subject. > > > If time permits please guide me more in this regard. For example how > > can we differentiate the charts of famous scientists from common > people. > > In this too how can we make out the subject of research. > > > > > > thanks and regards > > > namita > > > > > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > > ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Namita ji, > > > > > > > > Fifth house, perhaps, is the *generalised hub of creativity*, if I > > may say > > > > so. As the house of procreation and progeny, this is where the > > essential and > > > > ultimate creativity is bestowed. Also, it carries the mandate of > > previous > > > > merits, from where the innate potential (creativity) might arise. > > Further, > > > > some significations assigned to it like dhi (intelligence) , > buddhi > > > > (intellect), viveka (discrimination) , vidya (learning), etc., > form > > a good > > > > package for creativity to be. > > > > > > > > Worldly perceptions and our resultant creative expressions, > however, > > may not > > > > be confined to any one house. An understanding of the elements of > > creativity > > > > could help in locating its spread. The houses and signs provide > the > > environs > > > > to express and unfold, like the *outlets* from where creativity > > emerges! > > > > > > > > It might have to do with the entire gamut of planetary forces and > > their > > > > inter-planetary positioning that one arrives with. It could be > this > > > > dynamism, supported by dashas, which enlivens the chart. Everyone > is > > not > > > > born a Vinci or a Picasso, but every individual may be creative in > > some > > > > area, in some house! > > > > > > > > Manas (Moon), often reflecting the soul (Sun), may be where > > creativity wells > > > > from. Mutable Buddha(i), flanking the lights absorbs and braces > the > > idea, > > > > thinking or the thought process. Other influences, then pour their > > colours > > > > to complete the picture, which is made to adorn some area of life. > > > > > > > > An out-of-the-box thinking may be an important element of > > creativity, which > > > > is also what we need while judging creativity astrologically. > > Creativity of > > > > ACTION may be different from creativity of FICTION! Wasn't our > > toothless > > > > Fakir just as creative, if not more, as say Wordsworth? How about > > RAHU > > > > throwing his hat into the ring, for that crazy, innovative streak? > > > > > > > > Just sharing some random thoughts! > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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