Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 vedic astrology , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Friends , > I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the > upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read > many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he > did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made > categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women > and had no effect on the offspring . > > He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse > was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried .. He > went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he > alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant > woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as > they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was > no problem . > > Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! > > There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father > and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical > purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work > pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut > short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger > brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself > is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope > ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart > of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . > > Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses > having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published > his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . > Question mark . > > He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen > from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac .. If > you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the > world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . > > Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a > planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so > many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly > conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? > > Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around > > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Pique and ire! Expected and understandable :-) However, the header should have been *Disservice to Astrologers*! Yes, KNR did that! Once again! And should be made to pay the price! Perhaps equivalent to the amount lost to the community! (just a suggestion!):-) This message proves him so right! About PONGA PANDITS!! BTW, now that there's an *astro-scientific* opinion, could we expect some light on: Which text of astrology forbids women to go out in the eclipse? Which branch of science says pregnant woman should not take an eclipse-walk! How do we define luck? A terrorist and a commanding officer, both perish in a combat, who is lucky and who is unlucky? What exactly does an eclipse denote for a nativity, pregnant or otherwise? Regards Neelam ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye vedic astrology Tuesday, 21 July, 2009 8:34:11 AM [vedic astrology] Disservice to Astrology Dear Friends , I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women and had no effect on the offspring . He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was no problem . Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope ? Mr. Rao did that .. He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . Question mark . He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Dear Anand Ji, Shri KN Rao is a breath of fresh air in a field filled with " so called astologers " who fleece the gullible millions of their hard earned money in the name of " expensive Upayas " and extenseive fear mongering. He has acted like a " heart defibrillator " to an art form that was in deep trouble, except for a few exceptions. To discredit his many years of yeomen service to astrology will be a much greater tragedy than this one interview that you belabour about. You have cleverly selected all the Gory details in the Gandhi familly tree, forgetting all their glory days. Ofcourse Rajiv Gandhi had a lucky chart. Every one needs to die some day and how we live our lives is what makes it " lucky " or " unlucky " . " Lord Buddha forsake his wife, his children, tortured his body, begged for food and died at the end of his life. " If I make that statement will that do justice to the Great Gutama Buddha's Life? The grea Yogi/Guru, Shri Ragavendra of Mantralaya, after he took his Sanyas, his wife commited suicide. Should we focus on that fact instead of his spiritual greatness? What is the great illogic in his interview any way. Sun, Moon being so close along the Rahu-Ketu axis is difficult no doubt, but there can be benefits as well. A combusion is not all bad. Sun is also the Naisargika Atmakaraka. Hence he highlights the quality of the combust planets. While the external signification of the planets might suffer (like Mother, Childhood etc), internal significations can flourish. For example several well known world famous singers/dancers have Venus combust. The key is which house this combination is placed and what are all the rulerships of these planets. Do you seriously believe that all the thousands of children born near this day are all doomed? Also you talk of only some part of the world being able to " see the eclipse " . Do you really believe in the fairy tale that effects of the planets are because of their " gravitaional pull of some sort " ? Please read Shri Yukteswar's and Shri Paramahansa Yogananda's books carefully. They have given reasons why Kriya yoga speeds up evolution. Similar logic can be applied to planets as well. What we see outside has already been mirrored inside. That is why astrology works, not because of gravitational pulls etc.Yes, there is a visual element to Jyotish but that is not the whole story. Even if all your arguments are correct (which obviously they are NOT), dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Please kindly exercise restraints when critizising such Giants. One interview does not negate a Life of Great Contributions To Astrology. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Monday, July 20, 2009 8:02:55 PM Disservice to Astrology Dear Friends , I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women and had no effect on the offspring . He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was no problem . Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . Question mark . He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye --- visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Dear Anand You are absolutely right.Arguments are inconsistent with astrological principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I hope you did not mean logic too when you said arguments (as in math arguments)? Your response was rather pithy, hence wanted to make sure...! Regards, RR , " hattangadi_suresh " <hattangadi_suresh wrote: > > Dear Anand > You are absolutely right.Arguments are inconsistent with astrological principles. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Unfortunately, I have not watched the interview so would not comment on that. However, your posting brought up a very fundamental question that I have been asking for many years: Can someone share with me a chart where combustion alone could explain a negative experience or effect in a natal chart (not talking about mundane horoscopy or prashna horoscopy etc). I shall be grateful. Please note, I am looking for a chart with pure influence of combustion. This is a learning exercise and I do not have any axe to grind or flag to uphold, please let me be very clear. RR , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Neelamji , > > Again wrong logic . I have pointed out that Mr. Rao's reasoning was internally inconsistent and you want to prove him right using external information . > > Even if no scripture /ancient book mentions nothing about bad effect of eclipse , does not make Mr. Rao's opinion correct . It is internally inconsistent with the definitions of yoga , yuti , pidhan yuti and combustion . > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > > - > neelam gupta > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:19 PM > Re: Disservice to Astrology > > > Pique and ire! Expected and understandable :-) > > However, the header should have been *Disservice to Astrologers*! Yes, KNR > did that! And should be made to pay the price! Perhaps equivalent to the > amount lost to the community! (just a suggestion!):-) > > This message proves him so right! About PONGA PANDITS!! > > BTW, now that we have a truly-raised *astro-scientific* opinion, could we > expect some light on: > Which text of astrology forbids women to go out in the eclipse? > Which branch of science says pregnant woman should not take an eclipse-walk! > > How do we define luck? A terrorist and a commanding officer, both perish in > a combat, who is lucky and who is unlucky? > > What exactly an eclipse denotes for a nativity, pregnant or otherwise? > > Regards > Neelam > > 2009/7/21 Anand <anand.ghurye > > > Dear Friends , > > I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the > > upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read > > many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he > > did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made > > categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant > > women > > and had no effect on the offspring . > > > > He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse > > was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He > > went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he > > alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant > > woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as > > they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was > > no problem . > > > > Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! > > > > There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his > > father > > and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical > > purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her > > work > > pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut > > short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger > > brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he > > himself > > is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope > > ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart > > of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . > > > > Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses > > having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not > > published > > his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . > > Question mark . > > > > He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen > > from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If > > you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of > > the > > world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . > > > > Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a > > planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so > > many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly > > conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? > > > > Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around > > > > > > Regards , > > > > Anand > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies > > and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 I beg to differ in opinion from you Neelam ji! Though I have only read about the interview, I do not think he was doing any disservice to Astrologers. Disservice to Ponga Pandits perhaps! Rohiniranjan , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Pique and ire! Expected and understandable :-) > > However, the header should have been *Disservice to Astrologers*! Yes, KNR > did that! And should be made to pay the price! Perhaps equivalent to the > amount lost to the community! (just a suggestion!):-) > > This message proves him so right! About PONGA PANDITS!! > > BTW, now that we have a truly-raised *astro-scientific* opinion, could we > expect some light on: > Which text of astrology forbids women to go out in the eclipse? > Which branch of science says pregnant woman should not take an eclipse-walk! > > How do we define luck? A terrorist and a commanding officer, both perish in > a combat, who is lucky and who is unlucky? > > What exactly an eclipse denotes for a nativity, pregnant or otherwise? > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/21 Anand <anand.ghurye > > > Dear Friends , > > I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the > > upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read > > many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he > > did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made > > categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant > > women > > and had no effect on the offspring . > > > > He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse > > was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He > > went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he > > alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant > > woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as > > they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was > > no problem . > > > > Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! > > > > There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his > > father > > and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical > > purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her > > work > > pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut > > short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger > > brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he > > himself > > is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope > > ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart > > of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . > > > > Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses > > having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not > > published > > his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . > > Question mark . > > > > He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen > > from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If > > you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of > > the > > world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . > > > > Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a > > planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so > > many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly > > conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? > > > > Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around > > > > > > Regards , > > > > Anand > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies > > and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Pardon my weird send-up Rohini jee! Myopia I guess! :-) I do agree with what you say. Regards Neelam 2009/7/22 Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani > > > > I beg to differ in opinion from you Neelam ji! > Though I have only read about the interview, I do not think he was doing any disservice to Astrologers. Disservice to Ponga Pandits perhaps! > > Rohiniranjan > > , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > > Pique and ire! Expected and understandable :-) > > > > However, the header should have been *Disservice to Astrologers*! Yes, KNR > > did that! And should be made to pay the price! Perhaps equivalent to the > > amount lost to the community! (just a suggestion!):-) > > > > This message proves him so right! About PONGA PANDITS!! > > > > BTW, now that we have a truly-raised *astro-scientific* opinion, could we > > expect some light on: > > Which text of astrology forbids women to go out in the eclipse? > > Which branch of science says pregnant woman should not take an eclipse-walk! > > > > How do we define luck? A terrorist and a commanding officer, both perish in > > a combat, who is lucky and who is unlucky? > > > > What exactly an eclipse denotes for a nativity, pregnant or otherwise? > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > 2009/7/21 Anand <anand.ghurye > > > > > Dear Friends , > > > I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the > > > upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read > > > many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he > > > did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made > > > categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant > > > women > > > and had no effect on the offspring . > > > > > > He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse > > > was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried .. He > > > went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he > > > alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant > > > woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as > > > they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was > > > no problem . > > > > > > Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! > > > > > > There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his > > > father > > > and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical > > > purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her > > > work > > > pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut > > > short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger > > > brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he > > > himself > > > is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope > > > ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart > > > of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . > > > > > > Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses > > > having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not > > > published > > > his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . > > > Question mark . > > > > > > He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen > > > from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac .. If > > > you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of > > > the > > > world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . > > > > > > Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a > > > planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so > > > many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly > > > conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? > > > > > > Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around > > > > > > > > > Regards , > > > > > > Anand > > > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies > > > and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Hi, You said: " Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? " The logic depends on whether one is looking into the natal chart or a transit chart to observe combustion etc. An eclipse is just a transit chart for everyone who is already born. And a transit (whether good or bad) can not deliver things that are not promised in the natal chart! And, Moon does get combust once every month. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Tuesday, 21 July, 2009 8:32:55 AM Disservice to Astrology Dear Friends , I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women and had no effect on the offspring . He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was no problem . Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . Question mark . He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye --- visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear friends, Watched with interest the programmes, not one but three in total. On one channel, Shri K.N. Rao emphasised time and again about its relation with mundane affairs and on the other channels it was being discussed for nativities with remedies. Mr. Anand picked up the chart of Rajiv Gandhi for criticism but he safely ignored the charts of Amitabh Bachhan and Sachin Tendulkar which were also discussed on the same programme by one of his associates on the panel along with him. Rajiv died a Prime Minister. Indira Gandhi died a Prime Minister. Sanjay Gandhi died as a prominent person of Indian politics. Do not understand what was wrong with them. But Amitabh and Sachin are still living and are regarded as great personalities in India and the entire world. How unfortunate are they, right Mr. Anand. And perhaps, the mention of bad dasha period by Shri K.N. Rao was also missed where he clearly explained that this needs to be seen alongwith dasha. Anyway, I am sure, Shri K.N. Rao, the great luminary that he is, must have seen these kinds of " panditai " throughout his life and chose to ignore it for betterment of astrology. Hats off to him. regards, Mouji ________________________________ hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:00:55 PM Disservice to astrology Dear Anand You are absolutely right.Arguments are inconsistent with astrological principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 //Shri K.N. Rao, the great luminary that he is, must have seen these kinds of " panditai " throughout his life and chose to ignore it for betterment of astrology. // Well said Manoj ji. Thanks :-) Regards Neelam 2009/7/22 Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > > > Dear friends, > > Watched with interest the programmes, not one but three in total. On one > channel, Shri K.N. Rao emphasised time and again about its relation with > mundane affairs and on the other channels it was being discussed for > nativities with remedies. > > Mr. Anand picked up the chart of Rajiv Gandhi for criticism but he safely > ignored the charts of Amitabh Bachhan and Sachin Tendulkar which were also > discussed on the same programme by one of his associates on the panel along > with him. Rajiv died a Prime Minister. Indira Gandhi died a Prime Minister. > Sanjay Gandhi died as a prominent person of Indian politics. Do not > understand what was wrong with them. But Amitabh and Sachin are still living > and are regarded as great personalities in India and the entire world. How > unfortunate are they, right Mr. Anand. > > And perhaps, the mention of bad dasha period by Shri K.N. Rao was also > missed where he clearly explained that this needs to be seen alongwith > dasha. Anyway, I am sure, Shri K.N. Rao, the great luminary that he is, must > have seen these kinds of " panditai " throughout his life and chose to ignore > it for betterment of astrology. > > Hats off to him. > > regards, > > Mouji > > ________________________________ > hattangadi_suresh <hattangadi_suresh<hattangadi_suresh%40> > > > <%40> > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:00:55 PM > Disservice to astrology > > > > Dear Anand > You are absolutely right.Arguments are inconsistent with astrological > principles. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Anand ji, CONTEXT and PERSPECTIVE are prerequisites for cogency, I think! Regards Neelam 2009/7/21 Anand <anand.ghurye > > > Dear Neelamji , > > Again wrong logic . I have pointed out that Mr. Rao's reasoning was > internally inconsistent and you want to prove him right using external > information . > > Even if no scripture /ancient book mentions nothing about bad effect of > eclipse , does not make Mr. Rao's opinion correct . It is internally > inconsistent with the definitions of yoga , yuti , pidhan yuti and > combustion . > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > > - > neelam gupta > <%40> > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:19 PM > Re: Disservice to Astrology > > Pique and ire! Expected and understandable :-) > > However, the header should have been *Disservice to Astrologers*! Yes, KNR > did that! And should be made to pay the price! Perhaps equivalent to the > amount lost to the community! (just a suggestion!):-) > > This message proves him so right! About PONGA PANDITS!! > > BTW, now that we have a truly-raised *astro-scientific* opinion, could we > expect some light on: > Which text of astrology forbids women to go out in the eclipse? > Which branch of science says pregnant woman should not take an > eclipse-walk! > > How do we define luck? A terrorist and a commanding officer, both perish in > a combat, who is lucky and who is unlucky? > > What exactly an eclipse denotes for a nativity, pregnant or otherwise? > > Regards > Neelam > > 2009/7/21 Anand <anand.ghurye <anand.ghurye%40gmail.com>> > > > Dear Friends , > > I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed > the > > upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have > read > > many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that > he > > did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made > > categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant > > women > > and had no effect on the offspring . > > > > He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse > > was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . > He > > went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he > > alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every > pregnant > > woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as > > they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth > was > > no problem . > > > > Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! > > > > There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his > > father > > and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical > > purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her > > work > > pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut > > short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger > > brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he > > himself > > is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky > horoscope > > ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The > chart > > of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . > > > > Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during > eclipses > > having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not > > published > > his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . > > Question mark . > > > > He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not > seen > > from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . > If > > you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of > > the > > world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . > > > > Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a > > planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so > > many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly > > conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? > > > > Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around > > > > > > Regards , > > > > Anand > > > > A. K. Ghurye > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies > > and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Manojji , I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao's interview . I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology . Just think of it , even Thomas Alva Edison , the originator of DC electricity , giant in the area of science , chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research . His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was . As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success . In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture . In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong . We do not have enough information . And look , it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect , you need only one instance of positive part , but when you say No , it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances . Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress , knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage , divorce , health , money and more mundane things ? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart . Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time , place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology . Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada ? I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai , the almanacs ( I have Kalnirnay ) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter .. Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye - Manoj Chandran Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:20 AM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Anand Ji, Shri KN Rao is a breath of fresh air in a field filled with " so called astologers " who fleece the gullible millions of their hard earned money in the name of " expensive Upayas " and extenseive fear mongering. He has acted like a " heart defibrillator " to an art form that was in deep trouble, except for a few exceptions. To discredit his many years of yeomen service to astrology will be a much greater tragedy than this one interview that you belabour about. You have cleverly selected all the Gory details in the Gandhi familly tree, forgetting all their glory days. Ofcourse Rajiv Gandhi had a lucky chart. Every one needs to die some day and how we live our lives is what makes it " lucky " or " unlucky " . " Lord Buddha forsake his wife, his children, tortured his body, begged for food and died at the end of his life. " If I make that statement will that do justice to the Great Gutama Buddha's Life? The grea Yogi/Guru, Shri Ragavendra of Mantralaya, after he took his Sanyas, his wife commited suicide. Should we focus on that fact instead of his spiritual greatness? What is the great illogic in his interview any way. Sun, Moon being so close along the Rahu-Ketu axis is difficult no doubt, but there can be benefits as well. A combusion is not all bad. Sun is also the Naisargika Atmakaraka. Hence he highlights the quality of the combust planets. While the external signification of the planets might suffer (like Mother, Childhood etc), internal significations can flourish. For example several well known world famous singers/dancers have Venus combust. The key is which house this combination is placed and what are all the rulerships of these planets. Do you seriously believe that all the thousands of children born near this day are all doomed? Also you talk of only some part of the world being able to " see the eclipse " . Do you really believe in the fairy tale that effects of the planets are because of their " gravitaional pull of some sort " ? Please read Shri Yukteswar's and Shri Paramahansa Yogananda's books carefully. They have given reasons why Kriya yoga speeds up evolution. Similar logic can be applied to planets as well. What we see outside has already been mirrored inside. That is why astrology works, not because of gravitational pulls etc.Yes, there is a visual element to Jyotish but that is not the whole story. Even if all your arguments are correct (which obviously they are NOT), dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Please kindly exercise restraints when critizising such Giants. One interview does not negate a Life of Great Contributions To Astrology. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Monday, July 20, 2009 8:02:55 PM Disservice to Astrology Dear Friends , I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women and had no effect on the offspring . He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was no problem . Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . Question mark . He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye --- visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Krishnaji , Agreed . It is transit chart and moon gets combust once every month . What do we ask people to do on that day , irrespective of their natal charts ? Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:46 AM Re: Disservice to Astrology Hi, You said: " Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? " The logic depends on whether one is looking into the natal chart or a transit chart to observe combustion etc. An eclipse is just a transit chart for everyone who is already born. And a transit (whether good or bad) can not deliver things that are not promised in the natal chart! And, Moon does get combust once every month. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Tuesday, 21 July, 2009 8:32:55 AM Disservice to Astrology Dear Friends , I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women and had no effect on the offspring . He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was no problem . Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . Question mark . He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye --- visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Anand ji,  Few points which came in mind after reading your instant mail to Mr. Manoj Chandran. I thought I will share them with you. I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao’s interview. I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology. Just think of it, even Thomas Alva Edison, the originator of DC electricity, giant in the area of science, chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research. His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was. I wonder, does Shri K.N. Rao need a certificate of appreciation from ordinary people like us? As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success. In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture. In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong. We do not have enough information. And look, it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect, you need only one instance of positive part, but when you say No, it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances.  There is enough information about everything. You need to work it out. Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress, knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage, divorce, health, money and more mundane things? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart. Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time, place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology. Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada?  If moon was on earth, I would have surely owned it. Was he born in Canada or India? And with this kind of a chart, may be he would have been a great equestarian or a Rugby Player, if he were to be born in Canada. Please do not hypothesise just to prove your point. Let the Ifs and Buts remain where they belong to. Why could you not be born in Gandhi family and then we would have been proud to be interacting with you because then perhaps we would have been interacting with some as great as him or for that matter Tendulkar or Amitabh.  I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai, the almanacs (I have Kalnirnay) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not !  Please enlighten us with some text which mentions what you have said I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter ..  Appending a list of only the solar eclipses just for one decade for your ready reference and enough information. Just go through the list and kindly inform us whether there can be a birth with no eclipse falling. If you add lunar eclipses to the list, you will know what he was saying. Calendar Date 1951 Mar 07 20:53:40 Annular 1951 Sep 01 12:51:51 Annular 1952 Feb 25 09:11:35 Total 1952 Aug 20 15:13:35 Annular 1953 Feb 14 00:59:30 Partial 1953 Jul 11 02:44:14 Partial 1953 Aug 09 15:55:03 Partial 1954 Jan 05 02:32:01 Annular 1954 Jun 30 12:32:38 Total 1954 Dec 25 07:36:43 Annular 1955 Jun 20 04:10:42 Total 1955 Dec 14 07:02:26 Annular 1956 Jun 08 21:20:39 Total 1956 Dec 02 08:00:35 Partial 1957 Apr 30 00:05:28 Annular 1957 Oct 23 04:54:02 Total 1958 Apr 19 03:27:17 Annular 1958 Oct 12 20:55:28 Total 1959 Apr 08 03:24:08 Annular 1959 Oct 02 12:27:00 Total 1960 Mar 27 07:25:08 Partial 1960 Sep 20 22:59:56 Partial Now, if you wish to come up with a theory about visibility of the eclipse, then please quote the classical text which mentions it.  regards,  Mouji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Anand ji,  Just read your mail addressed to Shri Manoj Chandran ji but was tempted to ask you some things which came to mind. I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao’s interview. I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology. Just think of it, even Thomas Alva Edison, the originator of DC electricity, giant in the area of science, chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research. His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was. I wonder, does Shri K.N. Rao need a certificate of appreciation from ordinary men like us. As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success. In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture. In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong. We do not have enough information. And look, it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect, you need only one instance of positive part, but when you say No, it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances.  There is enough information about everything. You need to work it out. Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress, knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage, divorce, health, money and more mundane things? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart. Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time, place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology. Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada?  If Moon was on earth, I would have owned it. Was he born in Canada or India? And with this kind of a chart, may be he would have been a great equestarian or a Rugby Player, if he were to be born in Canada. Please do not hypothesise just to prove your point. Let the Ifs and Buts remain where they belong to. Why could you not be born in Gandhi family and then we would have been proud to be interacting with you because then perhaps we would have been interacting with some as great as him or for that matter Tendulkar or Amitabh.  I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai, the almanacs (I have Kalnirnay) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not !  Please enlighten us with some text which mentions what you have said I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter ..  Appending a list of only the solar eclipses just for one decade for your ready reference and enough information. Just go through the list and kindly inform us whether there can be a birth with no eclipse falling. Calendar Date 1951 Mar 07 20:53:40 Annular 1951 Sep 01 12:51:51 Annular 1952 Feb 25 09:11:35 Total 1952 Aug 20 15:13:35 Annular 1953 Feb 14 00:59:30 Partial 1953 Jul 11 02:44:14 Partial 1953 Aug 09 15:55:03 Partial 1954 Jan 05 02:32:01 Annular 1954 Jun 30 12:32:38 Total 1954 Dec 25 07:36:43 Annular 1955 Jun 20 04:10:42 Total 1955 Dec 14 07:02:26 Annular 1956 Jun 08 21:20:39 Total 1956 Dec 02 08:00:35 Partial 1957 Apr 30 00:05:28 Annular 1957 Oct 23 04:54:02 Total 1958 Apr 19 03:27:17 Annular 1958 Oct 12 20:55:28 Total 1959 Apr 08 03:24:08 Annular 1959 Oct 02 12:27:00 Total 1960 Mar 27 07:25:08 Partial 1960 Sep 20 22:59:56 Partial Now, if you wish to come up with a theory about visibility of the eclipse, then please quote the classical text which mentions it. regards, Mouji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Anandji, Yes, people do certain things on Amavasya, few other things on Ekadashi or Dwadashi. But, the point I was trying to make was the eclipse day is also one such day, has certain planetary combinations. And, there is no need to panic or create a kind of hysteria that I could see on TV where astrologers were calling all kinds of disasters and the scared people were thronging temples for special poojas done in their names so that they could be spared. This is not good for Astrology. Regards, Krishna ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 3:14:36 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Krishnaji , Agreed . It is transit chart and moon gets combust once every month . What do we ask people to do on that day , irrespective of their natal charts ? Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye - Krishnamurthy Seetharama Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:46 AM Re: Disservice to Astrology Hi, You said: " Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? " The logic depends on whether one is looking into the natal chart or a transit chart to observe combustion etc. An eclipse is just a transit chart for everyone who is already born. And a transit (whether good or bad) can not deliver things that are not promised in the natal chart! And, Moon does get combust once every month. Regards, Krishna ____________ _________ _________ __ Anand <anand.ghurye@ gmail.com> Tuesday, 21 July, 2009 8:32:55 AM Disservice to Astrology Dear Friends , I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women and had no effect on the offspring . He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was no problem . Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . Question mark . He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye ------------ --------- --------- ------ visit http://www.astrolif e.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Anand ji, //Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada ?// sorry there are no ifs and buts in astrology!!!only truth.The truth is sachin tendulkar is born in india and he became a great cricketer.One cant argue on ifs and buts specially in astrology. -gopi. , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Manojji , > > I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao's interview . I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology . Just think of it , even Thomas Alva Edison , the originator of DC electricity , giant in the area of science , chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research . His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was . > > As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success . In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture . In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong . We do not have enough information . And look , it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect , you need only one instance of positive part , but when you say No , it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances .. > > Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress , knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage , divorce , health , money and more mundane things ? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart . Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time , place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology . Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada ? > > I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai , the almanacs ( I have Kalnirnay ) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! > > I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter . > > > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > > - > Manoj Chandran > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:20 AM > Re: Disservice to Astrology > > > Dear Anand Ji, > > Shri KN Rao is a breath of fresh air in a field filled with " so called astologers " who fleece the gullible millions of their hard earned money in the name of " expensive Upayas " and extenseive fear mongering. He has acted like a " heart defibrillator " to an art form that was in deep trouble, except for a few exceptions. To discredit his many years of yeomen service to astrology will be a much greater tragedy than this one interview that you belabour about. > > You have cleverly selected all the Gory details in the Gandhi familly tree, forgetting all their glory days. Ofcourse Rajiv Gandhi had a lucky chart. Every one needs to die some day and how we live our lives is what makes it " lucky " or " unlucky " . > > " Lord Buddha forsake his wife, his children, tortured his body, begged for food and died at the end of his life. " If I make that statement will that do justice to the Great Gutama Buddha's Life? > > The grea Yogi/Guru, Shri Ragavendra of Mantralaya, after he took his Sanyas, his wife commited suicide. Should we focus on that fact instead of his spiritual greatness? > > What is the great illogic in his interview any way. Sun, Moon being so close along the Rahu-Ketu axis is difficult no doubt, but there can be benefits as well. A combusion is not all bad. Sun is also the Naisargika Atmakaraka. Hence he highlights the quality of the combust planets. While the external signification of the planets might suffer (like Mother, Childhood etc), internal significations can flourish. For example several well known world famous singers/dancers have Venus combust. The key is which house this combination is placed and what are all the rulerships of these planets. Do you seriously believe that all the thousands of children born near this day are all doomed? > > Also you talk of only some part of the world being able to " see the eclipse " . Do you really believe in the fairy tale that effects of the planets are because of their " gravitaional pull of some sort " ? Please read Shri Yukteswar's and Shri Paramahansa Yogananda's books carefully. They have given reasons why Kriya yoga speeds up evolution. Similar logic can be applied to planets as well. What we see outside has already been mirrored inside. That is why astrology works, not because of gravitational pulls etc.Yes, there is a visual element to Jyotish but that is not the whole story. > > Even if all your arguments are correct (which obviously they are NOT), dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Please kindly exercise restraints when critizising such Giants. One interview does not negate a Life of Great Contributions To Astrology. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > ________________________________ > Anand anand.ghurye > > Monday, July 20, 2009 8:02:55 PM > Disservice to Astrology > > Dear Friends , > I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the > upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read > many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he > did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made > categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women > and had no effect on the offspring . > > He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse > was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried .. He > went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he > alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant > woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as > they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was > no problem . > > Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! > > There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father > and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical > purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work > pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut > short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger > brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself > is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope > ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart > of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . > > Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses > having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published > his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . > Question mark . > > He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen > from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac .. If > you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the > world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . > > Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a > planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so > many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly > conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? > > Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > > --- > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 Dear Manojji , Please see the chapter in BPHS with the title Remedies for eclipse birth for more information . Further you can see that remedies are given for amavasya birth too . We keep saying that our greatness should not be decided by where we are born but you seem to indicate that you would respect me only if I were born in high status family . I disagree . See the eclipse path and you will see only a small part of the world is covered by the ecliptic Sun. For example today's eclipse started with Shanghai and ended in the sea off Ahmadabad coast. When you take the visual element , the other areas remain unaffected . Regards , Anand K. Ghurye ------------------------------- - Manoj Kumar Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:57 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Anand ji, Just read your mail addressed to Shri Manoj Chandran ji but was tempted to ask you some things which came to mind. I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao’s interview. I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology. Just think of it, even Thomas Alva Edison, the originator of DC electricity, giant in the area of science, chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research. His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was. I wonder, does Shri K.N. Rao need a certificate of appreciation from ordinary men like us. As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success. In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture. In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong. We do not have enough information. And look, it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect, you need only one instance of positive part, but when you say No, it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances. There is enough information about everything. You need to work it out. Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress, knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage, divorce, health, money and more mundane things? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart. Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time, place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology. Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada? If Moon was on earth, I would have owned it. Was he born in Canada or India? And with this kind of a chart, may be he would have been a great equestarian or a Rugby Player, if he were to be born in Canada. Please do not hypothesise just to prove your point. Let the Ifs and Buts remain where they belong to. Why could you not be born in Gandhi family and then we would have been proud to be interacting with you because then perhaps we would have been interacting with some as great as him or for that matter Tendulkar or Amitabh. I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai, the almanacs (I have Kalnirnay) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! Please enlighten us with some text which mentions what you have said I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter .. Appending a list of only the solar eclipses just for one decade for your ready reference and enough information. Just go through the list and kindly inform us whether there can be a birth with no eclipse falling. Calendar Date 1951 Mar 07 20:53:40 Annular 1951 Sep 01 12:51:51 Annular 1952 Feb 25 09:11:35 Total 1952 Aug 20 15:13:35 Annular 1953 Feb 14 00:59:30 Partial 1953 Jul 11 02:44:14 Partial 1953 Aug 09 15:55:03 Partial 1954 Jan 05 02:32:01 Annular 1954 Jun 30 12:32:38 Total 1954 Dec 25 07:36:43 Annular 1955 Jun 20 04:10:42 Total 1955 Dec 14 07:02:26 Annular 1956 Jun 08 21:20:39 Total 1956 Dec 02 08:00:35 Partial 1957 Apr 30 00:05:28 Annular 1957 Oct 23 04:54:02 Total 1958 Apr 19 03:27:17 Annular 1958 Oct 12 20:55:28 Total 1959 Apr 08 03:24:08 Annular 1959 Oct 02 12:27:00 Total 1960 Mar 27 07:25:08 Partial 1960 Sep 20 22:59:56 Partial Now, if you wish to come up with a theory about visibility of the eclipse, then please quote the classical text which mentions it. regards, Mouji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Ghurye boss, My question/statement was far simpler than what you have interpreted it as, and I quote, " As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success " I was just seeking some clear examples where combustion 'alone' would show its bad and evil side without other confounding factors! Thanks Rohiniranjan , Anand <anand.ghurye wrote: > > Dear Manojji , > > I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao's interview . I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology . Just think of it , even Thomas Alva Edison , the originator of DC electricity , giant in the area of science , chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research . His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was . > > As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success . In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture . In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong . We do not have enough information . And look , it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect , you need only one instance of positive part , but when you say No , it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances . > > Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress , knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage , divorce , health , money and more mundane things ? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart . Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time , place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology . Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada ? > > I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai , the almanacs ( I have Kalnirnay ) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! > > I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter .. > > > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > > - > Manoj Chandran > > Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:20 AM > Re: Disservice to Astrology > > > Dear Anand Ji, > > Shri KN Rao is a breath of fresh air in a field filled with " so called astologers " who fleece the gullible millions of their hard earned money in the name of " expensive Upayas " and extenseive fear mongering. He has acted like a " heart defibrillator " to an art form that was in deep trouble, except for a few exceptions. To discredit his many years of yeomen service to astrology will be a much greater tragedy than this one interview that you belabour about. > > You have cleverly selected all the Gory details in the Gandhi familly tree, forgetting all their glory days. Ofcourse Rajiv Gandhi had a lucky chart. Every one needs to die some day and how we live our lives is what makes it " lucky " or " unlucky " . > > " Lord Buddha forsake his wife, his children, tortured his body, begged for food and died at the end of his life. " If I make that statement will that do justice to the Great Gutama Buddha's Life? > > The grea Yogi/Guru, Shri Ragavendra of Mantralaya, after he took his Sanyas, his wife commited suicide. Should we focus on that fact instead of his spiritual greatness? > > What is the great illogic in his interview any way. Sun, Moon being so close along the Rahu-Ketu axis is difficult no doubt, but there can be benefits as well. A combusion is not all bad. Sun is also the Naisargika Atmakaraka. Hence he highlights the quality of the combust planets. While the external signification of the planets might suffer (like Mother, Childhood etc), internal significations can flourish. For example several well known world famous singers/dancers have Venus combust. The key is which house this combination is placed and what are all the rulerships of these planets. Do you seriously believe that all the thousands of children born near this day are all doomed? > > Also you talk of only some part of the world being able to " see the eclipse " . Do you really believe in the fairy tale that effects of the planets are because of their " gravitaional pull of some sort " ? Please read Shri Yukteswar's and Shri Paramahansa Yogananda's books carefully. They have given reasons why Kriya yoga speeds up evolution. Similar logic can be applied to planets as well. What we see outside has already been mirrored inside. That is why astrology works, not because of gravitational pulls etc.Yes, there is a visual element to Jyotish but that is not the whole story. > > Even if all your arguments are correct (which obviously they are NOT), dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Please kindly exercise restraints when critizising such Giants. One interview does not negate a Life of Great Contributions To Astrology. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > ________________________________ > Anand <anand.ghurye > > Monday, July 20, 2009 8:02:55 PM > Disservice to Astrology > > Dear Friends , > I just watched the interview of Mr. K. N. Rao on the TV . He discussed the > upcoming eclipse . I know Mr. Rao to be an astrologer of repute , have read > many of his books and have personal respect for him . Still I feel that he > did disservice to astrology in giving this interview , where he made > categorical statement that the eclipse did not do any harm to pregnant women > and had no effect on the offspring . > > He put forth a view that moving around outside at the time of the eclipse > was not at all harmful to the pregnant women or the child they carried . He > went on to say that even birth during eclipse was not bad . Further he > alleged that as there would be 9 to 10 eclipses every year , every pregnant > woman would at some time or other would be exposed to eclipse rays and as > they did not all give birth to deformed children so eclipse time birth was > no problem . > > Faulty logic , wrong examples ,and confused generalization ! > > There is a child born who hardly gets to see his father , because his father > and mother do not get along well and are separated for all practical > purposes , his mother is too busy to take proper care of him due to her work > pressures , he grows up and pursues a career of his liking but has to cut > short his career to take up family business reluctantly , his younger > brother dies in an accident , his mother is dies in gunfire , and he himself > is blown to pieces in a bomb explosion - do you call that a lucky horoscope > ? Mr. Rao did that . He gave this as an example of lucky chart . The chart > of late Rajiv Gandhi who was born exact one month after eclipse . > > Mr. Rao said that he had innumerable cases of children born during eclipses > having had no misfortunes or problems in life . We ll , he has not published > his study and how many does he mean by innumerable is subject to debate . > Question mark . > > He exaggerated the number of eclipses each year . All eclipses are not seen > from all parts of the earth . So not even are mentioned in the almanac . If > you see the past three years record you will see that a large portion of the > world remained outside the eclipse belt almost all the time . > > Lastly we keep talking about variety of yogas in Jyotish . We say that a > planet gets combust a certain degrees away from the sun and attribute so > many qualities to such a situation and then when moon and sun are exactly > conjoint , Mr. Rao says that there are no effects ! Faulty logic ? > > Sorry Mr. Rao can't buy your conjectures this time around > > Regards , > > Anand > > A. K. Ghurye > > --- > > visit http://www.astrolife.com for horoscopes,expert services, remedies and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Then please go on and add, births during vyati pat yoga, all four fixed karanas, all sankrantis and amavasyas, all vish and related yogas and then advise doctors to perform birth of children only in few selected days. regards, Mouji ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:19:09 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology  Dear Manojji , Please see the chapter in BPHS with the title Remedies for eclipse birth for more information . Further you can see that remedies are given for amavasya birth too . We keep saying that our greatness should not be decided by where we are born but you seem to indicate that you would respect me only if I were born in high status family . I disagree . See the eclipse path and you will see only a small part of the world is covered by the ecliptic Sun. For example today's eclipse started with Shanghai and ended in the sea off Ahmadabad coast. When you take the visual element , the other areas remain unaffected . Regards , Anand K. Ghurye ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - Manoj Kumar Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:57 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Anand ji, Just read your mail addressed to Shri Manoj Chandran ji but was tempted to ask you some things which came to mind. I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao’s interview. I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology. Just think of it, even Thomas Alva Edison, the originator of DC electricity, giant in the area of science, chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research. His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was. I wonder, does Shri K.N. Rao need a certificate of appreciation from ordinary men like us. As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success. In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture. In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong. We do not have enough information. And look, it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect, you need only one instance of positive part, but when you say No, it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances. There is enough information about everything. You need to work it out. Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress, knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage, divorce, health, money and more mundane things? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart. Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time, place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology. Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada? If Moon was on earth, I would have owned it. Was he born in Canada or India? And with this kind of a chart, may be he would have been a great equestarian or a Rugby Player, if he were to be born in Canada. Please do not hypothesise just to prove your point. Let the Ifs and Buts remain where they belong to. Why could you not be born in Gandhi family and then we would have been proud to be interacting with you because then perhaps we would have been interacting with some as great as him or for that matter Tendulkar or Amitabh. I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai, the almanacs (I have Kalnirnay) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! Please enlighten us with some text which mentions what you have said I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter .. Appending a list of only the solar eclipses just for one decade for your ready reference and enough information. Just go through the list and kindly inform us whether there can be a birth with no eclipse falling. Calendar Date 1951 Mar 07 20:53:40 Annular 1951 Sep 01 12:51:51 Annular 1952 Feb 25 09:11:35 Total 1952 Aug 20 15:13:35 Annular 1953 Feb 14 00:59:30 Partial 1953 Jul 11 02:44:14 Partial 1953 Aug 09 15:55:03 Partial 1954 Jan 05 02:32:01 Annular 1954 Jun 30 12:32:38 Total 1954 Dec 25 07:36:43 Annular 1955 Jun 20 04:10:42 Total 1955 Dec 14 07:02:26 Annular 1956 Jun 08 21:20:39 Total 1956 Dec 02 08:00:35 Partial 1957 Apr 30 00:05:28 Annular 1957 Oct 23 04:54:02 Total 1958 Apr 19 03:27:17 Annular 1958 Oct 12 20:55:28 Total 1959 Apr 08 03:24:08 Annular 1959 Oct 02 12:27:00 Total 1960 Mar 27 07:25:08 Partial 1960 Sep 20 22:59:56 Partial Now, if you wish to come up with a theory about visibility of the eclipse, then please quote the classical text which mentions it. regards, Mouji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Manoj ji, Since most Obstetricians and mid-wives do not have an 'elective', in their gruesome and gruelling curriculum named, " Astrology " (or Jyotish!), they may drop their jaw if Ghuryey Boss asks them to change their Golf schedule to accommodate what may to them represent his Parasharic (Panasonic nay phir brand name badlaa? Technics was the best! Perfect sound!!) recommendation! You may think I am being funny or even sarcastic, but perhaps I am just being realistic. Or perhaps it is a nation-specific thing or whatever. RR , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Then please go on and add, births during vyati pat yoga, all four fixed karanas, all sankrantis and amavasyas, all vish and related yogas and then advise doctors to perform birth of children only in few selected days. > > regards, > > Mouji > > > > > ________________________________ > Anand <anand.ghurye > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:19:09 PM > Re: Disservice to Astrology > >  > Dear Manojji , > > Please see the chapter in BPHS with the title Remedies for eclipse birth for more information . Further you can see that remedies are given for amavasya birth too . > > We keep saying that our greatness should not be decided by where we are born but you seem to indicate that you would respect me only if I were born in high status family . I disagree . > > See the eclipse path and you will see only a small part of the world is covered by the ecliptic Sun. For example today's eclipse started with Shanghai and ended in the sea off Ahmadabad coast. When you take the visual element , the other areas remain unaffected . > > Regards , > > Anand K. Ghurye > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > - > Manoj Kumar > > Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:57 PM > Re: Disservice to Astrology > > Dear Anand ji, > > Just read your mail addressed to Shri Manoj Chandran ji but was tempted to ask you some things which came to mind. > > I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao’s interview. I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology. Just think of it, even Thomas Alva Edison, the originator of DC electricity, giant in the area of science, chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research. His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was. > I wonder, does Shri K.N. Rao need a certificate of appreciation from ordinary men like us. > > As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success. In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture. In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong. We do not have enough information. And look, it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect, you need only one instance of positive part, but when you say No, it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances. > There is enough information about everything. You need to work it out. > Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress, knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage, divorce, health, money and more mundane things? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart. Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time, place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology. Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada? > > If Moon was on earth, I would have owned it. Was he born in Canada or India? And with this kind of a chart, may be he would have been a great equestarian or a Rugby Player, if he were to be born in Canada. Please do not hypothesise just to prove your point. Let the Ifs and Buts remain where they belong to. Why could you not be born in Gandhi family and then we would have been proud to be interacting with you because then perhaps we would have been interacting with some as great as him or for that matter Tendulkar or Amitabh. > I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai, the almanacs (I have Kalnirnay) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! > Please enlighten us with some text which mentions what you have said > > I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter .. > Appending a list of only the solar eclipses just for one decade for your ready reference and enough information. Just go through the list and kindly inform us whether there can be a birth with no eclipse falling. > Calendar Date > 1951 Mar 07 20:53:40 Annular > 1951 Sep 01 12:51:51 Annular > 1952 Feb 25 09:11:35 Total > 1952 Aug 20 15:13:35 Annular > 1953 Feb 14 00:59:30 Partial > 1953 Jul 11 02:44:14 Partial > 1953 Aug 09 15:55:03 Partial > 1954 Jan 05 02:32:01 Annular > 1954 Jun 30 12:32:38 Total > 1954 Dec 25 07:36:43 Annular > 1955 Jun 20 04:10:42 Total > 1955 Dec 14 07:02:26 Annular > 1956 Jun 08 21:20:39 Total > 1956 Dec 02 08:00:35 Partial > 1957 Apr 30 00:05:28 Annular > 1957 Oct 23 04:54:02 Total > 1958 Apr 19 03:27:17 Annular > 1958 Oct 12 20:55:28 Total > 1959 Apr 08 03:24:08 Annular > 1959 Oct 02 12:27:00 Total > 1960 Mar 27 07:25:08 Partial > 1960 Sep 20 22:59:56 Partial > Now, if you wish to come up with a theory about visibility of the eclipse, then please quote the classical text which mentions it. > regards, > Mouji. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Dear Manojji , I am not able to understand what you are trying to convey . Do you mean to say that we should not take cognizance of ancient classical texts ? And if we do , why should we interfere with a natural function as that of childbirth ? If a caesarean section is absolutely necessary as emergency , then the necessity overrides the muhurtha . Do you think that you can override destiny by merely trying to suggest great muhurtas to doctors ? If that were true , by now we would have ten Mahatmas and twenty Netaji Subhash . In fact come to think of it , Gaquelin who did a lot of research on the connection of horoscope and sports ability , says that after the proliferation of Caesarean operation , the number of horoscopes to sports ability connection reduces in strengh. Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye - Manoj Kumar Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:20 AM Re: Disservice to Astrology Then please go on and add, births during vyati pat yoga, all four fixed karanas, all sankrantis and amavasyas, all vish and related yogas and then advise doctors to perform birth of children only in few selected days. regards, Mouji ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:19:09 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Manojji , Please see the chapter in BPHS with the title Remedies for eclipse birth for more information . Further you can see that remedies are given for amavasya birth too . We keep saying that our greatness should not be decided by where we are born but you seem to indicate that you would respect me only if I were born in high status family . I disagree . See the eclipse path and you will see only a small part of the world is covered by the ecliptic Sun. For example today's eclipse started with Shanghai and ended in the sea off Ahmadabad coast. When you take the visual element , the other areas remain unaffected . Regards , Anand K. Ghurye ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - Manoj Kumar Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:57 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Anand ji, Just read your mail addressed to Shri Manoj Chandran ji but was tempted to ask you some things which came to mind. I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao’s interview. I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology. Just think of it, even Thomas Alva Edison, the originator of DC electricity, giant in the area of science, chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research. His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was. I wonder, does Shri K.N. Rao need a certificate of appreciation from ordinary men like us. As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success. In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture. In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong. We do not have enough information. And look, it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect, you need only one instance of positive part, but when you say No, it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances. There is enough information about everything. You need to work it out. Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress, knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage, divorce, health, money and more mundane things? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart. Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time, place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology. Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada? If Moon was on earth, I would have owned it. Was he born in Canada or India? And with this kind of a chart, may be he would have been a great equestarian or a Rugby Player, if he were to be born in Canada. Please do not hypothesise just to prove your point. Let the Ifs and Buts remain where they belong to. Why could you not be born in Gandhi family and then we would have been proud to be interacting with you because then perhaps we would have been interacting with some as great as him or for that matter Tendulkar or Amitabh. I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai, the almanacs (I have Kalnirnay) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! Please enlighten us with some text which mentions what you have said I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter .. Appending a list of only the solar eclipses just for one decade for your ready reference and enough information. Just go through the list and kindly inform us whether there can be a birth with no eclipse falling. Calendar Date 1951 Mar 07 20:53:40 Annular 1951 Sep 01 12:51:51 Annular 1952 Feb 25 09:11:35 Total 1952 Aug 20 15:13:35 Annular 1953 Feb 14 00:59:30 Partial 1953 Jul 11 02:44:14 Partial 1953 Aug 09 15:55:03 Partial 1954 Jan 05 02:32:01 Annular 1954 Jun 30 12:32:38 Total 1954 Dec 25 07:36:43 Annular 1955 Jun 20 04:10:42 Total 1955 Dec 14 07:02:26 Annular 1956 Jun 08 21:20:39 Total 1956 Dec 02 08:00:35 Partial 1957 Apr 30 00:05:28 Annular 1957 Oct 23 04:54:02 Total 1958 Apr 19 03:27:17 Annular 1958 Oct 12 20:55:28 Total 1959 Apr 08 03:24:08 Annular 1959 Oct 02 12:27:00 Total 1960 Mar 27 07:25:08 Partial 1960 Sep 20 22:59:56 Partial Now, if you wish to come up with a theory about visibility of the eclipse, then please quote the classical text which mentions it. regards, Mouji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Dear Mr. Anand,  Try to understand what I am trying to say. You dont find logic in what Shri K.N. Rao was speaking upon and you dwell upon it selectively. You only select the chart out of the charts suited to your logic. No where in BPHS or any other Hora Book, effect of birth during eclipse has been provided. In the Shanti Adhyaya, only remedies are prescribed for many things, including eclipses.  In an year, many eclipses keep occuring and hence anyone born on this earth would have been born when some eclipse somewhere would be in operation. When you calculate the longitude of planets, do you segregate between, longitude of Venus in London and longitude of Venus in Delhi.  Then there are so many other " arishtas " mentioned in astrology. Do you mean to say that all the children born during this period would suffer some arishta. Does it happen? If it does, support your claim with examples and not just by mere statements which mean nothing without support. Now if I tell you that the statement " karko-bhav nashaya " which you have been reading for years in the books means nothing as has been brought out in the latest issue of Journal of Astrology and which is supported by a study on good number of charts and for each Karaka for each bhava. If I am not wrong, in 85% cases studied in that study, Karaka placed in the Bhava has given auspicious results.  We are none to question the abilities of an astrological Giant like Shri K.N. Rao and on the contrary, we should be bowing to them to gain some knowledge especially in the days when astrologers are almost being regarded as cheats, thugs and fleecers as a majority of them only prescribe remedies and charge money conveniently forgetting the curse the science carries. A case in example is the case cited by Mr. Manoj Chandran.  So, the only objective of my writing that mail was that lets look at things pragmatically and objectively rather than proving ourselves to be dogmatic fools.  best wishes,  Mouji   ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46:29 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology  Dear Manojji , I am not able to understand what you are trying to convey . Do you mean to say that we should not take cognizance of ancient classical texts ? And if we do , why should we interfere with a natural function as that of childbirth ? If a caesarean section is absolutely necessary as emergency , then the necessity overrides the muhurtha . Do you think that you can override destiny by merely trying to suggest great muhurtas to doctors ? If that were true , by now we would have ten Mahatmas and twenty Netaji Subhash . In fact come to think of it , Gaquelin who did a lot of research on the connection of horoscope and sports ability , says that after the proliferation of Caesarean operation , the number of horoscopes to sports ability connection reduces in strengh. Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye - Manoj Kumar Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:20 AM Re: Disservice to Astrology Then please go on and add, births during vyati pat yoga, all four fixed karanas, all sankrantis and amavasyas, all vish and related yogas and then advise doctors to perform birth of children only in few selected days. regards, Mouji ____________ _________ _________ __ Anand <anand.ghurye@ gmail.com> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:19:09 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Manojji , Please see the chapter in BPHS with the title Remedies for eclipse birth for more information . Further you can see that remedies are given for amavasya birth too . We keep saying that our greatness should not be decided by where we are born but you seem to indicate that you would respect me only if I were born in high status family . I disagree . See the eclipse path and you will see only a small part of the world is covered by the ecliptic Sun. For example today's eclipse started with Shanghai and ended in the sea off Ahmadabad coast. When you take the visual element , the other areas remain unaffected . Regards , Anand K. Ghurye ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - Manoj Kumar Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:57 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Anand ji, Just read your mail addressed to Shri Manoj Chandran ji but was tempted to ask you some things which came to mind. I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao’s interview. I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology. Just think of it, even Thomas Alva Edison, the originator of DC electricity, giant in the area of science, chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research. His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was. I wonder, does Shri K.N. Rao need a certificate of appreciation from ordinary men like us. As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success. In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture. In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong. We do not have enough information. And look, it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect, you need only one instance of positive part, but when you say No, it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances. There is enough information about everything. You need to work it out. Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress, knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage, divorce, health, money and more mundane things? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart. Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time, place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology. Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada? If Moon was on earth, I would have owned it. Was he born in Canada or India? And with this kind of a chart, may be he would have been a great equestarian or a Rugby Player, if he were to be born in Canada. Please do not hypothesise just to prove your point. Let the Ifs and Buts remain where they belong to. Why could you not be born in Gandhi family and then we would have been proud to be interacting with you because then perhaps we would have been interacting with some as great as him or for that matter Tendulkar or Amitabh. I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai, the almanacs (I have Kalnirnay) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! Please enlighten us with some text which mentions what you have said I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter .. Appending a list of only the solar eclipses just for one decade for your ready reference and enough information. Just go through the list and kindly inform us whether there can be a birth with no eclipse falling. Calendar Date 1951 Mar 07 20:53:40 Annular 1951 Sep 01 12:51:51 Annular 1952 Feb 25 09:11:35 Total 1952 Aug 20 15:13:35 Annular 1953 Feb 14 00:59:30 Partial 1953 Jul 11 02:44:14 Partial 1953 Aug 09 15:55:03 Partial 1954 Jan 05 02:32:01 Annular 1954 Jun 30 12:32:38 Total 1954 Dec 25 07:36:43 Annular 1955 Jun 20 04:10:42 Total 1955 Dec 14 07:02:26 Annular 1956 Jun 08 21:20:39 Total 1956 Dec 02 08:00:35 Partial 1957 Apr 30 00:05:28 Annular 1957 Oct 23 04:54:02 Total 1958 Apr 19 03:27:17 Annular 1958 Oct 12 20:55:28 Total 1959 Apr 08 03:24:08 Annular 1959 Oct 02 12:27:00 Total 1960 Mar 27 07:25:08 Partial 1960 Sep 20 22:59:56 Partial Now, if you wish to come up with a theory about visibility of the eclipse, then please quote the classical text which mentions it. regards, Mouji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Dear Manojji , My replies below Dear Mr. Anand, Try to understand what I am trying to say. You dont find logic in what Shri K.N. Rao was speaking upon and you dwell upon it selectively. You only select the chart out of the charts suited to your logic. No where in BPHS or any other Hora Book, effect of birth during eclipse has been provided. In the Shanti Adhyaya, only remedies are prescribed for many things, including eclipses. Anand - From BPHS Ch. 85. Inauspicious Births 1-4. The Venerable Sage said. O Maitreya! Now I will describe to you the circumstances, in which the births are inauspicious in spite of Lagna and the Planets being well disposed. Although Lagna may be well disposed, births will be inauspicious, if they take place on Amavasya (last day of the Krishna Paksha), on Chaturdasi (14th Tithi), in Krishna Paksha (dark half of the month), in Bhadra Karan, in the Nakshatra of the brother, in the Nakshatras of father and mother, at the time of entry of Sun in a Ra-s'i, the time of Pata, at the time of solar and lunar eclipses, at the time of Vyati Pata, in Gandantas of all the three kinds, in Yamaghant, Tithikshaya, in Dagdha Yoga etc. The birth of a son after three daughters and birth of a daughter after three sons and the birth of a freak are inauspicious. But there are remedial measures for obtaining relief from the evil effects of such births, which are being described in the following chapters. In an year, many eclipses keep occuring and hence anyone born on this earth would have been born when some eclipse somewhere would be in operation. When you calculate the longitude of planets, do you segregate between, longitude of Venus in London and longitude of Venus in Delhi. Anand - Please check this conjecture with the path of eclipse and the frequency .. Then there are so many other " arishtas " mentioned in astrology. Do you mean to say that all the children born during this period would suffer some arishta. Does it happen? If it does, support your claim with examples and not just by mere statements which mean nothing without support. Now if I tell you that the statement " karko-bhav nashaya " which you have been reading for years in the books means nothing as has been brought out in the latest issue of Journal of Astrology and which is supported by a study on good number of charts and for each Karaka for each bhava. If I am not wrong, in 85% cases studied in that study, Karaka placed in the Bhava has given auspicious results. Anand - I am not claiming anything . You asked for scriptural reference , I provided it . You cannot play double game of conveniently depending on scriptures when you want and ignoring them when you do not . You are entitled to your opinion but put forth your statement as your opinion and respect the opinions of others as their opinions . I do not want to go into Karako bhav nashaya at this point here . We are none to question the abilities of an astrological Giant like Shri K.N. Rao and on the contrary, we should be bowing to them to gain some knowledge especially in the days when astrologers are almost being regarded as cheats, thugs and fleecers as a majority of them only prescribe remedies and charge money conveniently forgetting the curse the science carries. A case in example is the case cited by Mr. Manoj Chandran. ANAND > I am not questioning his abilities . I am questioning his logic . Two things are not the same . So, the only objective of my writing that mail was that lets look at things pragmatically and objectively rather than proving ourselves to be dogmatic fools. ANAND > This is exactly what I want to happen. Let us look at things pragmatically and not dogmatically . The dogma comes from following anyone or anything blindly be it a scripture or a person . ANAND > We have to question , question and question . Our glorious tradition of scientific knowledge ended when we stopped questioning and started following . Regards , Anand best wishes, Mouji ________________________________ Anand <anand.ghurye Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:46:29 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Manojji , I am not able to understand what you are trying to convey . Do you mean to say that we should not take cognizance of ancient classical texts ? And if we do , why should we interfere with a natural function as that of childbirth ? If a caesarean section is absolutely necessary as emergency , then the necessity overrides the muhurtha . Do you think that you can override destiny by merely trying to suggest great muhurtas to doctors ? If that were true , by now we would have ten Mahatmas and twenty Netaji Subhash . In fact come to think of it , Gaquelin who did a lot of research on the connection of horoscope and sports ability , says that after the proliferation of Caesarean operation , the number of horoscopes to sports ability connection reduces in strengh. Regards , Anand A. K. Ghurye - Manoj Kumar Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:20 AM Re: Disservice to Astrology Then please go on and add, births during vyati pat yoga, all four fixed karanas, all sankrantis and amavasyas, all vish and related yogas and then advise doctors to perform birth of children only in few selected days. regards, Mouji ____________ _________ _________ __ Anand <anand.ghurye@ gmail.com> Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:19:09 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Manojji , Please see the chapter in BPHS with the title Remedies for eclipse birth for more information . Further you can see that remedies are given for amavasya birth too . We keep saying that our greatness should not be decided by where we are born but you seem to indicate that you would respect me only if I were born in high status family . I disagree . See the eclipse path and you will see only a small part of the world is covered by the ecliptic Sun. For example today's eclipse started with Shanghai and ended in the sea off Ahmadabad coast. When you take the visual element , the other areas remain unaffected . Regards , Anand K. Ghurye ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - Manoj Kumar Wednesday, July 22, 2009 3:57 PM Re: Disservice to Astrology Dear Anand ji, Just read your mail addressed to Shri Manoj Chandran ji but was tempted to ask you some things which came to mind. I have talked about this particular instance of Mr. Rao’s interview. I am not discrediting his years of service to astrology. Just think of it, even Thomas Alva Edison, the originator of DC electricity, giant in the area of science, chose to oppose AC electricity - and then he was wrong . That did not discredit his thousands of discoveries spanning decades of research. His discoveries remained where they were and opposition to electricity remained where it was. I wonder, does Shri K.N. Rao need a certificate of appreciation from ordinary men like us. As Rohiniranjan indicates we cannot isolate the instances of combustion and success. In fact in astrology it is rare that we can isolate any one factor unless we increase the sample size many many times and then still it remains a conjecture. In that case making a categorical statement that eclipse does not affect individual in any way also is wrong. We do not have enough information. And look, it is easy to demonstrate the yes effect, you need only one instance of positive part, but when you say No, it is much more difficult to demonstrate because you need to find out and discard *all* the instances. There is enough information about everything. You need to work it out. Just look at the questions which are asked on variety of Jyotish groups . Are they more about spiritual progress, knowledge gain and stuff like that or are they about marriage, divorce, health, money and more mundane things? Rajiv Gandhi became prime minister primarily because he was born in the Gandhi family and not really because of his chart. Trying to fit in everything just to the astro chart and not paying any attention to time, place and circumstances will not help the case of astrology. Do you think Sachin Tendulkar would have been a great cricket player if he was born in Canada? If Moon was on earth, I would have owned it. Was he born in Canada or India? And with this kind of a chart, may be he would have been a great equestarian or a Rugby Player, if he were to be born in Canada. Please do not hypothesise just to prove your point. Let the Ifs and Buts remain where they belong to. Why could you not be born in Gandhi family and then we would have been proud to be interacting with you because then perhaps we would have been interacting with some as great as him or for that matter Tendulkar or Amitabh. I am talking about seeing the eclipse meaning the belt through which the eclipse passes . When the eclipse does not pass Mumbai, the almanacs (I have Kalnirnay) does not mention the eclipse . The visual element has to be there otherwise every month the moon goes in front of the sun any way and blocks his light . Only when the moon blocks the light coming to the earth , that we call it eclipse . Do you not think so ? When we are able to see it , it is eclipse , othewise not ! Please enlighten us with some text which mentions what you have said I am not saying a yoga will be bad or good , but do we have enough data to say that eclipse does not effect other than vague statements of numbers ? Two or three cases here and there do not prove the point or disprove it for that matter .. Appending a list of only the solar eclipses just for one decade for your ready reference and enough information. Just go through the list and kindly inform us whether there can be a birth with no eclipse falling. Calendar Date 1951 Mar 07 20:53:40 Annular 1951 Sep 01 12:51:51 Annular 1952 Feb 25 09:11:35 Total 1952 Aug 20 15:13:35 Annular 1953 Feb 14 00:59:30 Partial 1953 Jul 11 02:44:14 Partial 1953 Aug 09 15:55:03 Partial 1954 Jan 05 02:32:01 Annular 1954 Jun 30 12:32:38 Total 1954 Dec 25 07:36:43 Annular 1955 Jun 20 04:10:42 Total 1955 Dec 14 07:02:26 Annular 1956 Jun 08 21:20:39 Total 1956 Dec 02 08:00:35 Partial 1957 Apr 30 00:05:28 Annular 1957 Oct 23 04:54:02 Total 1958 Apr 19 03:27:17 Annular 1958 Oct 12 20:55:28 Total 1959 Apr 08 03:24:08 Annular 1959 Oct 02 12:27:00 Total 1960 Mar 27 07:25:08 Partial 1960 Sep 20 22:59:56 Partial Now, if you wish to come up with a theory about visibility of the eclipse, then please quote the classical text which mentions it. regards, Mouji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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