Karate and associated chakra

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Om Brihaspataye Namah

 

Dear members,

Namaste

 

Swee chan wrote:

" Karate exerts your force outwardly while in Tai Chi,

the " chi " /internal force is retained/stored at the savdhistana cakra

and the invisible magnetic force is felt through the palms in

the " push hand " movement. "

 

In Karate, my Sensei always taught that brute force will only get

you injured and make you look like an idiot. Therefore the internal

ki must come from the inside. In order to push the force outward, we

would train our stomach muscles alot. Through perfect timing with

an exhale breath, a very fast and " gentle " punch can knock someone

off.

 

My question is, which chakra would this force come from?

 

I reckon it would be a combination of the savdhistana and manipura

chakra. A dirty tactic some fighters use is to whack you straight in

the solar plexus, which can airlock you and render you vulnerable

for attacks elsewhere. This would put a stop to the manipura chakra

temporarily disabling it from exerting any more ki.

 

 

Bivash

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Jaya JagannathaDear Bivash,NamasteI have had family members who were sensais and my son who also did karate. It is forceful. Please read my message again and understand that both "forces" described are very different. Karate is forceful while Tai Chi is not.A peaceful (of the mind) daily routine is not with hampered by anger, emotional outbursts or rigorous exercises.love,SweeOn 16 May 2008, at 08:00, Bivash Ramroop wrote:Om Brihaspataye NamahDear members,NamasteSwee chan wrote: "Karate exerts your force outwardly while in Tai Chi, the "chi"/internal force is retained/stored at the savdhistana cakra and the invisible magnetic force is felt through the palms in the "push hand" movement."In Karate, my Sensei always taught that brute force will only get you injured and make you look like an idiot. Therefore the internal ki must come from the inside. In order to push the force outward, we would train our stomach muscles alot. Through perfect timing with an exhale breath, a very fast and "gentle" punch can knock someone off. My question is, which chakra would this force come from? I reckon it would be a combination of the savdhistana and manipura chakra. A dirty tactic some fighters use is to whack you straight in the solar plexus, which can airlock you and render you vulnerable for attacks elsewhere. This would put a stop to the manipura chakra temporarily disabling it from exerting any more ki. Bivash

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Jaya JagannathaDear Bivash,NamasteWas I suggesting that you were challenging me? I have to reiterate that both forces are not the same.As for the chakra, you have suggested another one that I am not aware of. Please elaborate.love,SweeOn 16 May 2008, at 11:41, Bivash Ramroop wrote:Om Brihaspataye NamahDear Guruvi,NamasteYes I agree with you, I was not challenging your knowledge, only querying where the 'karati' force would come from.Where Tai Chi and Karate is similar is that both the forces must come from the inside. The difference is that Karate is forceful, as you correctly pointed out :)Example- some big "tough guys" would come for lessons, these guys trained alot in terms of going to gym. But their internal strength was nothing compared to my sensei- who was female. Not to mention the other females in our dojo that proved that women can be equally, if not stronger than men  Personally, I would love to learn Tai Chi instead of Karate. Bivash--- In  , Swee Chan <swee wrote:>> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Bivash,> Namaste> > I have had family members who were sensais and my son who also did > karate. It is forceful. Please read my message again and understand > that both "forces" described are very different. Karate is forceful > while Tai Chi is not.> A peaceful (of the mind) daily routine is not with hampered by anger, > emotional outbursts or rigorous exercises.> > love,> > Swee> > On 16 May 2008, at 08:00, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> >> > Dear members,> > Namaste> >> > Swee chan wrote:> > "Karate exerts your force outwardly while in Tai Chi,> > the "chi"/internal force is retained/stored at the savdhistana cakra> > and the invisible magnetic force is felt through the palms in> > the "push hand" movement."> >> > In Karate, my Sensei always taught that brute force will only get> > you injured and make you look like an idiot. Therefore the internal> > ki must come from the inside. In order to push the force outward, we> > would train our stomach muscles alot. Through perfect timing with> > an exhale breath, a very fast and "gentle" punch can knock someone> > off.> >> > My question is, which chakra would this force come from?> >> > I reckon it would be a combination of the savdhistana and manipura> > chakra. A dirty tactic some fighters use is to whack you straight in> > the solar plexus, which can airlock you and render you vulnerable> > for attacks elsewhere. This would put a stop to the manipura chakra> > temporarily disabling it from exerting any more ki.> >> > Bivash> >> >> >>

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Jaya JagannathaDear Bivash,NamasteVishnu pervades all and He is stationed in the svadhishtana cakra. The weakest point in the body are both kidneys. When kidneys are strong, the heart automatically gets strengthened - ask a heart specialist about adrenalin versus a heart attack.In the right and left "ward-off" movements in Tai Chi, try the stance for two minutes on either side. I can guarantee you that even in the midst of winter, you would not need a coat. Hence, the "punch" from a Tai Chi stance is always directed at the kidneys and the ward off movements is always to protect the kidneys.love,SweeOn 16 May 2008, at 13:28, Bivash Ramroop wrote:Om Brihaspataye NamahDear Guruvi,NamasteSorry for the misunderstanding from my side. I assume that the karate force would come from the manipura chakra- solar plexus chakra. Between navel and bottom of sternum- since in order to launch a successful attack- one would have to tighten stomach muscles at the same time exhaling just before impact so the force hits the opponent. My guess is that the energy comes from there, since knocking someone in the solar plexus during a fight would cause them to get airlocked-for a while they wont be able to use any force. The book i read on chakras lists them as Muladhara, Svadisthana, Manipura, Anahata, Vishuddha, Ajna and Sahasrara - base, sacral, solar plexus, heart, throat, brow and crown. Bivash--- In  , Swee Chan <swee wrote:>> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Bivash,> Namaste> > Was I suggesting that you were challenging me? I have to reiterate > that both forces are not the same.> As for the chakra, you have suggested another one that I am not aware > of. Please elaborate.> > love,> > Swee> > > On 16 May 2008, at 11:41, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> >> > Dear Guruvi,> > Namaste> >> > Yes I agree with you, I was not challenging your knowledge, only> > querying where the 'karati' force would come from.> >> > Where Tai Chi and Karate is similar is that both the forces must> > come from the inside.> > The difference is that Karate is forceful, as you correctly pointed> > out > >> > Example- some big "tough guys" would come for lessons, these guys> > trained alot in terms of going to gym. But their internal strength> > was nothing compared to my sensei- who was female. Not to mention> > the other females in our dojo that proved that women can be equally,> > if not stronger than men > >> > Personally, I would love to learn Tai Chi instead of Karate.> >> > Bivash> >> > --- In  , Swee Chan <swee@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Jaya Jagannatha> > >> > > Dear Bivash,> > > Namaste> > >> > > I have had family members who were sensais and my son who also> > did> > > karate. It is forceful. Please read my message again and> > understand> > > that both "forces" described are very different. Karate is> > forceful> > > while Tai Chi is not.> > > A peaceful (of the mind) daily routine is not with hampered by> > anger,> > > emotional outbursts or rigorous exercises.> > >> > > love,> > >> > > Swee> > >> > > On 16 May 2008, at 08:00, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > >> > > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> > > >> > > > Dear members,> > > > Namaste> > > >> > > > Swee chan wrote:> > > > "Karate exerts your force outwardly while in Tai Chi,> > > > the "chi"/internal force is retained/stored at the savdhistana> > cakra> > > > and the invisible magnetic force is felt through the palms in> > > > the "push hand" movement."> > > >> > > > In Karate, my Sensei always taught that brute force will only get> > > > you injured and make you look like an idiot. Therefore the> > internal> > > > ki must come from the inside. In order to push the force> > outward, we> > > > would train our stomach muscles alot. Through perfect timing with> > > > an exhale breath, a very fast and "gentle" punch can knock> > someone> > > > off.> > > >> > > > My question is, which chakra would this force come from?> > > >> > > > I reckon it would be a combination of the savdhistana and> > manipura> > > > chakra. A dirty tactic some fighters use is to whack you> > straight in> > > > the solar plexus, which can airlock you and render you vulnerable> > > > for attacks elsewhere. This would put a stop to the manipura> > chakra> > > > temporarily disabling it from exerting any more ki.> > > >> > > > Bivash> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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Jaya JagannathaDear Bivash,NamasteI will enquire if there is the Arica School of Tai ChiChuan in RSA. They meet every year in USA and Holland in August where my brother is also one of the masters.There's always a time and place for everything.love,SweeOn 16 May 2008, at 13:57, Bivash Ramroop wrote:Om Brihaspataye NamahDear Guruvi, NamasteThankyou for the information. Now I am sad because I wish I could learn Tai Chi  Tai Chi sounds so so so great. Bivash--- In  , Swee Chan <swee wrote:>> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Bivash,> Namaste> > Vishnu pervades all and He is stationed in the svadhishtana cakra. > The weakest point in the body are both kidneys. When kidneys are > strong, the heart automatically gets strengthened - ask a heart > specialist about adrenalin versus a heart attack.> In the right and left "ward-off" movements in Tai Chi, try the stance > for two minutes on either side. I can guarantee you that even in the > midst of winter, you would not need a coat. Hence, the "punch" from a > Tai Chi stance is always directed at the kidneys and the ward off > movements is always to protect the kidneys.> > love,> > Swee> > > On 16 May 2008, at 13:28, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> >> > Dear Guruvi,> > Namaste> >> > Sorry for the misunderstanding from my side.> >> > I assume that the karate force would come from the manipura chakra-> > solar plexus chakra.> >> > Between navel and bottom of sternum- since in order to launch a> > successful attack- one would have to tighten stomach muscles at the> > same time exhaling just before impact so the force hits the> > opponent.> >> > My guess is that the energy comes from there, since knocking someone> > in the solar plexus during a fight would cause them to get airlocked-> > for a while they wont be able to use any force.> >> > The book i read on chakras lists them as Muladhara, Svadisthana,> > Manipura, Anahata, Vishuddha, Ajna and Sahasrara - base, sacral,> > solar plexus, heart, throat, brow and crown.> >> > Bivash> >> > --- In  , Swee Chan <swee@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Jaya Jagannatha> > >> > > Dear Bivash,> > > Namaste> > >> > > Was I suggesting that you were challenging me? I have to> > reiterate> > > that both forces are not the same.> > > As for the chakra, you have suggested another one that I am not> > aware> > > of. Please elaborate.> > >> > > love,> > >> > > Swee> > >> > >> > > On 16 May 2008, at 11:41, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > >> > > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> > > >> > > > Dear Guruvi,> > > > Namaste> > > >> > > > Yes I agree with you, I was not challenging your knowledge, only> > > > querying where the 'karati' force would come from.> > > >> > > > Where Tai Chi and Karate is similar is that both the forces must> > > > come from the inside.> > > > The difference is that Karate is forceful, as you correctly> > pointed> > > > out > > > >> > > > Example- some big "tough guys" would come for lessons, these guys> > > > trained alot in terms of going to gym. But their internal> > strength> > > > was nothing compared to my sensei- who was female. Not to mention> > > > the other females in our dojo that proved that women can be> > equally,> > > > if not stronger than men > > > >> > > > Personally, I would love to learn Tai Chi instead of Karate.> > > >> > > > Bivash> > > >> > > > --- In  , Swee Chan <swee@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bivash,> > > > > Namaste> > > > >> > > > > I have had family members who were sensais and my son who also> > > > did> > > > > karate. It is forceful. Please read my message again and> > > > understand> > > > > that both "forces" described are very different. Karate is> > > > forceful> > > > > while Tai Chi is not.> > > > > A peaceful (of the mind) daily routine is not with hampered by> > > > anger,> > > > > emotional outbursts or rigorous exercises.> > > > >> > > > > love,> > > > >> > > > > Swee> > > > >> > > > > On 16 May 2008, at 08:00, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear members,> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > >> > > > > > Swee chan wrote:> > > > > > "Karate exerts your force outwardly while in Tai Chi,> > > > > > the "chi"/internal force is retained/stored at the> > savdhistana> > > > cakra> > > > > > and the invisible magnetic force is felt through the palms in> > > > > > the "push hand" movement."> > > > > >> > > > > > In Karate, my Sensei always taught that brute force will> > only get> > > > > > you injured and make you look like an idiot. Therefore the> > > > internal> > > > > > ki must come from the inside. In order to push the force> > > > outward, we> > > > > > would train our stomach muscles alot. Through perfect timing> > with> > > > > > an exhale breath, a very fast and "gentle" punch can knock> > > > someone> > > > > > off.> > > > > >> > > > > > My question is, which chakra would this force come from?> > > > > >> > > > > > I reckon it would be a combination of the savdhistana and> > > > manipura> > > > > > chakra. A dirty tactic some fighters use is to whack you> > > > straight in> > > > > > the solar plexus, which can airlock you and render you> > vulnerable> > > > > > for attacks elsewhere. This would put a stop to the manipura> > > > chakra> > > > > > temporarily disabling it from exerting any more ki.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bivash> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

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Jaya JagannathaDear Bipin,Hare KrishnaI hasten to add that it is Grandmaster Cheng Man Ch'ing and completed and made whole with the Arica School of healing. Patrick Watson (both are deceased) whom I met was his main student who was taught many secrets. Currently, they have less than two hundred masters and only six grandmaster. My brother now teaches the sword technique. Cheng was taught the short method by his master because he healed him from the degenerative syphilitic disease. besides this, he was also a good calligraphist and techniques like these are taught when one is young (I learnt it when I was four) to help teach the people the art of expressing one's Chi to paper. Beside caligraphy, we also have to learn the art of painting - Chinese poetry was something I didn't learn because I had to fly back to join my parents before big school began. (Lao Tsu background - same clan, so to speak).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheng_Man-ch'ing (Confucius background).To view him doing the sword movements:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGzBITVQVEETo view him doing the short form:Place tip of tongue to your palette and a string of pearls is attached to your tuft the top part of the body like a puppet and your "tail" is pulled down with a thousand pound weight. Relax, bend knees slightly and begin :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl2mvyjHYS0 & feature=relatedlove,SweeOn 16 May 2008, at 15:18, Bipin Prag wrote:Om Namo Bhagavate Param GuraveDear SweeNamasteI found a link to a school in Cape Town  http://www.linshan.co.za/school.htm.  Is this part of the same lineageRegardsBipinOn 16/05/2008, Swee Chan <swee (AT) coppernet (DOT) zm> wrote:Jaya JagannathaDear Bivash,NamasteI will enquire if there is the Arica School of Tai ChiChuan in RSA. They meet every year in USA and Holland in August where my brother is also one of the masters.There's always a time and place for everything.love,SweeOn 16 May 2008, at 13:57, Bivash Ramroop wrote:Om Brihaspataye NamahDear Guruvi, NamasteThankyou for the information. Now I am sad because I wish I could learn Tai Chi  Tai Chi sounds so so so great. Bivash--- In  , Swee Chan <swee wrote:>> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Bivash,> Namaste> > Vishnu pervades all and He is stationed in the svadhishtana cakra. > The weakest point in the body are both kidneys. When kidneys are > strong, the heart automatically gets strengthened - ask a heart > specialist about adrenalin versus a heart attack.> In the right and left "ward-off" movements in Tai Chi, try the stance > for two minutes on either side. I can guarantee you that even in the > midst of winter, you would not need a coat. Hence, the "punch" from a > Tai Chi stance is always directed at the kidneys and the ward off > movements is always to protect the kidneys.> > love,> > Swee> > > On 16 May 2008, at 13:28, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> >> > Dear Guruvi,> > Namaste> >> > Sorry for the misunderstanding from my side.> >> > I assume that the karate force would come from the manipura chakra-> > solar plexus chakra.> >> > Between navel and bottom of sternum- since in order to launch a> > successful attack- one would have to tighten stomach muscles at the> > same time exhaling just before impact so the force hits the> > opponent.> >> > My guess is that the energy comes from there, since knocking someone> > in the solar plexus during a fight would cause them to get airlocked-> > for a while they wont be able to use any force.> >> > The book i read on chakras lists them as Muladhara, Svadisthana,> > Manipura, Anahata, Vishuddha, Ajna and Sahasrara - base, sacral,> > solar plexus, heart, throat, brow and crown.> >> > Bivash> >> > --- In  , Swee Chan <swee@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Jaya Jagannatha> > >> > > Dear Bivash,> > > Namaste> > >> > > Was I suggesting that you were challenging me? I have to> > reiterate> > > that both forces are not the same.> > > As for the chakra, you have suggested another one that I am not> > aware> > > of. Please elaborate.> > >> > > love,> > >> > > Swee> > >> > >> > > On 16 May 2008, at 11:41, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > >> > > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> > > >> > > > Dear Guruvi,> > > > Namaste> > > >> > > > Yes I agree with you, I was not challenging your knowledge, only> > > > querying where the 'karati' force would come from.> > > >> > > > Where Tai Chi and Karate is similar is that both the forces must> > > > come from the inside.> > > > The difference is that Karate is forceful, as you correctly> > pointed> > > > out > > > >> > > > Example- some big "tough guys" would come for lessons, these guys> > > > trained alot in terms of going to gym. But their internal> > strength> > > > was nothing compared to my sensei- who was female. Not to mention> > > > the other females in our dojo that proved that women can be> > equally,> > > > if not stronger than men > > > >> > > > Personally, I would love to learn Tai Chi instead of Karate.> > > >> > > > Bivash> > > >> > > > --- In  , Swee Chan <swee@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bivash,> > > > > Namaste> > > > >> > > > > I have had family members who were sensais and my son who also> > > > did> > > > > karate. It is forceful. Please read my message again and> > > > understand> > > > > that both "forces" described are very different. Karate is> > > > forceful> > > > > while Tai Chi is not.> > > > > A peaceful (of the mind) daily routine is not with hampered by> > > > anger,> > > > > emotional outbursts or rigorous exercises.> > > > >> > > > > love,> > > > >> > > > > Swee> > > > >> > > > > On 16 May 2008, at 08:00, Bivash Ramroop wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > Om Brihaspataye Namah> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear members,> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > >> > > > > > Swee chan wrote:> > > > > > "Karate exerts your force outwardly while in Tai Chi,> > > > > > the "chi"/internal force is retained/stored at the> > savdhistana> > > > cakra> > > > > > and the invisible magnetic force is felt through the palms in> > > > > > the "push hand" movement."> > > > > >> > > > > > In Karate, my Sensei always taught that brute force will> > only get> > > > > > you injured and make you look like an idiot. Therefore the> > > > internal> > > > > > ki must come from the inside. In order to push the force> > > > outward, we> > > > > > would train our stomach muscles alot. Through perfect timing> > with> > > > > > an exhale breath, a very fast and "gentle" punch can knock> > > > someone> > > > > > off.> > > > > >> > > > > > My question is, which chakra would this force come from?> > > > > >> > > > > > I reckon it would be a combination of the savdhistana and> > > > manipura> > > > > > chakra. A dirty tactic some fighters use is to whack you> > > > straight in> > > > > > the solar plexus, which can airlock you and render you> > vulnerable> > > > > > for attacks elsewhere. This would put a stop to the manipura> > > > chakra> > > > > > temporarily disabling it from exerting any more ki.> > > > > >> > > > > > Bivash> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>