Light of Brahman...to Bharat (Sanjayji's health)

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[Om Namo Narayanaya]

Dear Sourav ji,

Namaskar. I agree with you entirely. The Guru can effectively show the way, it is up to the sishya to tread. Experiences mould us and make us what we are and* it* changes concurrently. More honed is the word, I would use. It makes us richer and more amenable to accept the various experiences life has rewarded us with.

Ultimate faith in the light that is the embodiment of the Divine within is what will lead us to the Cherished Goal. There is no doubt that this faith will also lead you to the Guru at the right time.

Regards

Nalini

[Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya]

sohamsa , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Nalini-ji,> > Namaskar. Guru-ji has given an wonderful analogy> (I liked the one about marathons more). I just wanted to add that we can> continue countering one philosophy with another philosopy to no end; but> when it comes to experience, each has his own and there is no way to pit> one's experience against another's. When it comes to experience things> or feelings, we are alone in this world, as experience is something we> really cannot share. It is very personal and always will be. But we> certainly can influence each other's ways of experience and that is what> Guru-sishya parampara is all about. But influencing each other ways and> views is a very delicate thing and should safely be done only by a very> elevated soul.> > Our experiences and the ways we accept and adapt to them also changes> with time. So the same Yoga Vasishtha Sara or Gita we read now, may> produce a different reaction if read years later. The prayer is to let> us grow in the positive direction with each experience and let each> experience be accepted in such a way that it propels us in a positive> unifying direction. It is faith that teaches us to wait for the positive> experiences and it is dharma that shows the way for initiating and/or> accepting and honoring the same.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > ===============================================================> sohamsa , "nalini2818" nalini2818@ wrote:> >> >> > [Om Namo Narayanaya]> >> > Namaste Sri Narasimha Rao garu,> >> > Bhinnatvam lo ekatwam! ( Unity in Diversity) Very well explained, sir.> > The analogy was perfect. All margas are but to reach the Supreme, each> > their own way.> >> > Sri Aurobindo, beautifully said," The soul that can live alone with> > itself meets God; Its lonely universe is their rendezvous".> >> > Regards> >> > Nalini> >> > [Om Namah Shivaya Namah Mallikarjunaya]> >> >> > sohamsa , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" pvr@ wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Sri Bharat,> > >> > > > Mahatma that - By giving up the desire of knowing Brahman, one> knows> > it.> > >> > > True, but that alone is not sufficient. For most people who are not> > anywhere close to knowing Brahman, that desire is actually a good> thing> > to possess. For the time being, anyway.> > >> > > > No, Sri Narasimha, it does not mean the same. Brahma Vidya means> > that you> > > > question the existence of the layers and understand that they> aren't> > there.> > >> > > We slightly differ in our definition of Brahma Vidya. There is a lot> > of knowledge that can be learnt from books - such as Vedanta,> Upanishats> > etc - that makes one question the existence of the layers and try to> > convince oneself that they aren't there. All that knowledge takes one> > towards Brahma Vidya, but it is not Brahma Vidya. To me, Brahma Vidya> is> > the knowledge that one obtains after experiencing - not just reading> or> > thinking - that the layers are not there. That is why Upanishat says> > that Brahma Vidya cannot be learnt from books or from teachers and can> > only be experienced.> > >> > > > It also means that whatever you might think is blocking the light,> > is not> > > > there. It also means the concept of within and without isn't> there.> > > >> > > > I do not wish or mean to give you a sermon on the same. Your study> > of Yoga> > > > Vashishtha will reveal the above to you sooner or later.> > >> > > You are going fully non-dual here and totally ignoring duality. As I> > pointed out previously, I, Narasimha Rao, would not have addressed> you,> > Bharat, and sent an email over the internet, if duality was fiction> and> > did not exist. I speak in dualistic terminology because we are living> > and communicating in the world of duality.> > >> > > Even a great rishi who may be in nirvikalpa samadhi for months in> > perfect non-duality will start experiencing duality the moment he> comes> > down from samadhi to start interacting with this material world again.> > Only a great rishi in sahaja samadhi can live in this world and yet> > remain in non-duality in all the three states (awake, asleep and> > dreaming). Otherwise, it is not possible to remain in non-duality in> all> > the three states. Sahaja samadhi is a rarity even among the greatest> of> > Yogis.> > >> > > > Your study of Yoga Vashishtha will reveal the above to you sooner> or> > later.> > > > My best wishes for the same> > >> > > Thank you!> > >> > > * * *> > >> > > Anyway, thank you for a nice philosophical discussion. While we are> on> > the topic of duality, non-duality etc, I want to share an analogy that> > was given by my spiritual guru to illustrate the difference between> > Dwaita and Adwaita. This analogy can help one understand and> appreciate> > the difference between various philosophies. It explains how all> > seemingly contradictory philosophies are correct in their own right> and> > try to capture the reality at various levels.> > >> > > Imagine God to be a bright star in the sky. When you see from a> > distance, God seems tiny and you conclude that there is only one God.> If> > you start moving towards God, you realize as you get closer that the> > star is in reality a huge diamond with 330 million faces. Each face is> > several miles long and wide and has various attributes (gunas). One> face> > may be red and hot and another may be blue and cold etc. So, as you> get> > closer to the diamond, you have to pick one face to get close to.> > >> > > Now, when you get too close to a face, the whole world will seem to> > have the attributes of that face. For example, if you get too close to> a> > face that is cold and blue, then the whole world will feel cold and> blue> > to you. In other words, the God you are getting close to is the> Supreme> > god of the world and fills the entire world as you experience it.> > >> > > This is the ultimate goal in sadhana for one adhering to Dwaita> > siddhanta (duality). For them, getting close to ishta devata and> > securing a place near the feet is the highest goal.> > >> > > For some, there is a next stage: As you get closer and closer to the> > face you picked, you finally merge with it! This is the ultimate goal> in> > sadhana for one adhering to Visishtaadwaita.> > >> > > To Advaitis, this communion with a Saguna ("with attributes") form> of> > God is not the final goal. The final goal is to break through the face> > and jump into the inside of the diamond. As you break through the face> > of the diamond into which you merge and jump into the interior of the> > diamond, you no longer perceive the faces of the diamond or the world> > outside. There are no longer any objects or attributes. The> experiencer,> > experienced and experience all merge into one.> > >> > > Some people are quite dogmatic about these philosophies and> > unnecessarily fight over them. It is kind of like arguing whether a> > 100,000 mile marathon is worthier or a 100,100 mile marathon or a> > 100,200 mile marathon. It is far more important to simply enter one of> > the three and finish the marathon entered successfully. Anyone who> > successfully finishes any of the three marathons deserves our highest> > respects.> > >> > > Also, they can be stages in the same path. They don't necessarily> have> > to be contending paths.> > >> > > For most people, Dwaita philosophy is perhaps the best starting> point> > anyway.> > >> > > Ok, I will end my rambling now. But I love the above analogy. It is> > simple and yet so thoughtful. As you ponder more on it, you will> realize> > how meaningful it is. So I wanted to share it with you all.> > >> > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > Narasimha> > > -------------------------------> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > -------------------------------> > >> > > > Namaskaar Sri Narasimha> > > >> > > > Yes, the light of Brahman is always shining. Do we only have to> make> > a wish> > > > for something that IS NOT? Can't we just wish for (or simply> > appreciate)> > > > something that IS?> > > >> > > > Wish is something for that isn't or to keep something that is (in> > case of> > > > fear of losing the desirable). Brahman IS and ISN'T going to go> > away. So a> > > > wish is not possible for the same. There is a beautiful statement> by> > a> > > > Mahatma that - By giving up the desire of knowing Brahman, one> knows> > it.> > > >> > > > Well, is Brahma Vidya going to dawn upon us from outside or from> > within?> > > > Isn't it already within us? Do we search for it somewhere outside> of> > us or> > > > do we simply unravel layers of manifested existence and layers of> > > > accumulated samskaras within ourselves to uncover the Brahma Vidya> > that is> > > > already within, but obscured by all those layers? When the layers> > are> > > > unravelled and the light of Brahman illuminates every part of our> > existence,> > > > isn't that synonymous to the "dawning of Brahma Vidya"? If not,> what> > else is> > > > meant by the dawning of Brahma Vidya?> > > >> > > > No, Sri Narasimha, it does not mean the same. Brahma Vidya means> > that you> > > > question the existence of the layers and understand that they> aren't> > there.> > > > It also means that whatever you might think is blocking the light,> > is not> > > > there. It also means the concept of within and without isn't> there.> > > >> > > > I do not wish or mean to give you a sermon on the same. Your study> > of Yoga> > > > Vashishtha will reveal the above to you sooner or later.> > > >> > > > My best wishes for the same> > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > Bharat> > > >> > > >> > > > On 4/11/06, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao pvr@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar Sri Bharat,> > > > >> > > > > > Just one thought that I have been wanting to convey to you:> The> > light of> > > > > > Brahman is always shining. In its light, we "see" thoughts,> > actions,> > > > > etc.> > > > > > When it is not shining?> > > > >> > > > > Yes, the light of Brahman is always shining. Do we only have to> > make a> > > > > wish for something that IS NOT? Can't we just wish for (or> simply> > > > > appreciate) something that IS?> > > > >> > > > > Actually, there is an important point: Though the light of> Brahman> > is> > > > > shining fully in the innermost core of our existence, the other> > layers of> > > > > our existence may be blocking that light. I agree that what we> > see, hear,> > > > > think etc is all due to the light of Brahman only. All our> > experiences are> > > > > indeed illuminated by the light of Brahman. However, it is only> a> > small part> > > > > of the light that illuminates our mundane experiences. When the> > light of> > > > > Brahman fully illuminates every part of our manifested> existence,> > I am no> > > > > longer Narasimha Rao and you are no longer Bharat. We both are> one> > and the> > > > > same and encompass the entire universe. We don't need to be> > communicating> > > > > through emails.> > > > >> > > > > > So the statement "May the light of Brahman shine> > > > > > within" becomes irrelevant. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to> > use -> > > > > "May> > > > > > Brahma Vidya dawns upon each"? or similar.> > > > >> > > > > Well, is Brahma Vidya going to dawn upon us from outside or from> > within?> > > > > Isn't it already within us? Do we search for it somewhere> outside> > of us or> > > > > do we simply unravel layers of manifested existence and layers> of> > > > > accumulated samskaras within ourselves to uncover the Brahma> Vidya> > that is> > > > > already within, but obscured by all those layers? When the> layers> > are> > > > > unravelled and the light of Brahman illuminates every part of> our> > existence,> > > > > isn't that synonymous to the "dawning of Brahma Vidya"? If not,> > what else is> > > > > meant by the dawning of Brahma Vidya?> > > > >> > > > > Sorry for a non-astrological mail, but, if I remember right,> > sohamsa list> > > > > was originally meant for spiritual discussions as well.> > > > >> > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within,> > > > > Narasimha> > > > >> > > > > > Namaskaar Sri Narasimha> > > > > >> > > > > > Very nice remarks about Prasada Buddhi and the way they have> > been> > > > > conveyed> > > > > > to your Jyotisha Guru. Non-acceptance is the cause of stress.> > > > > >> > > > > > Just one thought that I have been wanting to convey to you:> The> > light of> > > > > > Brahman is always shining. In its light, we "see" thoughts,> > actions,> > > > > etc.> > > > > > When it is not shining? So the statement "May the light of> > Brahman> > > > > shine> > > > > > within" becomes irrelevant. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to> > use -> > > > > "May> > > > > > Brahma Vidya dawns upon each"? or similar.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > Bharat> > > > > > On 4/6/06, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaste friends,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There has been a discussion on Sanjay's health. Here are my> > two cents.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sanjay is running Cancer's dasa as per Paryaya dasa of D-6.> > Cancer is> > > > > the> > > > > > > 8th house and contains Moon and roga pada (A6) as well.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The results of Moon in marana karaka sthana are given in the> > middle> > > > > > > one-third. That itself was not such a good period, barring> > some parts.> > > > > > > However, the final one-third (2003-2007) gives the results> of> > 8th> > > > > house and> > > > > > > A6 fully and THAT is the worst period. With the planet> > involved being> > > > > Moon,> > > > > > > no wonder it is blood pressure.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am glad there is some improvement lately, but Sanjay> should> > remain> > > > > > > careful until Aug 2007. I see the problematic period ending> > only then.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sanjay should be extra careful during 2006 May 18-June 8 and> > just take> > > > > > > everything easy.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > * * *> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In general, everyone should strive to enter the state where> > there are> > > > > > > absolutely no expectations and there is only detached> effort.> > Then> > > > > alone can> > > > > > > one overcome stress. If we have a specific goal or> expectation> > and our> > > > > > > efforts are motivated by it, it MAY lead to stress. Nay, it> > often DOES> > > > > lead> > > > > > > to stress. On the other hand, if we start believing that> there> > is no> > > > > > > one-to-one relationship between our current efforts (karma)> > and> > > > > results> > > > > > > (phala) and hence engage in actions (karma) - not motivated> by> > logical> > > > > > > analysis based on an specific expectations, but based solely> > on the> > > > > inner> > > > > > > guidance - without any motivation and accept all fruits> > (phala)> > > > > without> > > > > > > prejudice, there is no scope for stress. Such attitude> > releases amrita> > > > > - the> > > > > > > nectar of divinity - within.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The main problem of living beings is their mind. But,> > curiously, it is> > > > > the> > > > > > > solution too.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sorry if this sounds like sermonizing. It wasn't meant to.> > Just my two> > > > > > > cents of random thoughts...please ignore if they make no> > sense.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within, Narasimha> > > > > > >> > -------------------------------> > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3):> http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows):> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website:> > http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > >> > -------------------------------> > >> >>