8th house and urinary disorders

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Dear Shyamasundara Prabhu,

 

PAMHO, AGTSP.

 

 

>

> Basically you said that 8th had only to do with stool not urine and that

> Ketu in 8th could have nothing to do with urinary problems because 8th was

> not associated with this.

>

> However, in your own book Jaimini's Upadesha Sutram 3.3.21-22 you state:

>

> " Saturn and Rahu in the aforementioned houses (3/8) cause kidney complaint

> and urinary disorders.

>

> If Mars and Ketu are in the 3/8 houses urinary complaints are sure to occur

> frequently. "

>

> While the text above is in regard to Atmakaraka or Arudha Lagna it could

> also be applied from Lagna or Moon. The main point however being that the

> 8th house when afflicted can lead to urinary and kidney complaints. And from

> your translation any malefic in the 8th can lead to some degree of problem

> with the kidney and urinary system.

 

May I have a question? On what basis do you take the liberty to apply a

principle that is

valid for Arudha Lagna and Atmakaraka to the houses from Moon and Lagna?

 

Do you think that these four: Arudha Lagna, Atmakaraka, Chandra Lagna and Janma

Lagna will

indicate completely identical thing, especially regarding death circumstances of

a person?

 

I would have two notices to this:

 

1. Maharishi Jaimini speaks especially about the circumstances and cause of

death in these

Sutras. The event in Srila Prabhupada's chart that we are discussing (stricture

in the

urethra) had happened well before His death. Therefore we can't apply these

Sutras of

Jaimini to explain this event. Also he links different diseases and bpdily

complaints to

the p[lanets themselves and not to the particular houses. So this is a kind of a

misleading presentation of the Sutras of Jaimini.

 

2. Even if they were applicable, Jaimini clearly states in Sutra 3.3.1 that he

will give

results pertaining to the Arudha of the 1st house, not the 1st house itself. The

basis of

taking Atmakaraka into consideration is Sutra 3.2.1. He never mentions that

these rules

are valid for the Lagna or the Moon house itself.

 

So I would consider that you quoted out of place and stretched the rules without

a basis

just to support your point. For causes of death in Srila Prabhupada's chart

please

consider the 3rd and 8th from Atmakaraka Rahu (i.e. Aries and Virgo), and the

3rd and 8th

from Arudha lagna (i.e. Gemini and Scorpio). Both are independent of the Lagna

question.

 

Of the above mentioned houses only the 8th from Atmakaraka has planets, which

are two

benefics, debilitated Venus and exalted Mercury. The Sutras that are valid in

this case

are as follows:

 

2.2.13: Benefics conjoining/aspecting the 3rd house (or 8th) indicate

painless/easy death.

2.2.23: Venus influencing the 3rd house causes urinary problems, kidney damage

etc. as the

cause of death.

2.2.28: Jupiter or Venus in the 3rd indicate awareness of the period of death.

3.3.10. If the Arudha Lagna is aspected by Jupiter or Jupiter is in the 5th from

it, death

occurs in a room.

 

Of course the above will not decide the Capricorn/Sagittarius controversy, as

these

significations ade not dependent on the Lagna in this case. But they explain

what you

tried to explain through the 8th house placement of Jupiter and Ketu.

 

By the way I would urge you to properly study Upadesa Sutras from Sanjayji, as

they are

very useful, and can really be mastered under the guidance of a Jyotish Guru in

the

Parampara, which he fully is. Just by reading books, too much confusion may

arise in the

proper understanding of the Sutras.

 

I beg to remain

 

Your insignificant servant,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

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