Astotari Dasa

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Namaste Narasimha, Karu and others,

 

 

 

 

 

"Dear Karu,

If you don't mind, I will jump in and answer.

Ideally it should be possible to compress any dasa to the

annual chart or to a mundane chart. If a chart has an effective

period of 1 year or 1 month or 4 years, then it should be

possible to compress dasas so that the paramayush becomes the

time period of effect of the chart.

However, there are some issues with compressing a dasa to a

Tajaka chart. For example, those who compress Vimsottari dasa

to a Tajaka annual chart do not use Moon's nakshatra in the

Tajaka chart, but they use the natal Moon's nakshatra and

progress it by one nakshatra per year. This is called Mudda

dasa."

Mudda dasa from Charak's A Textbook of Varshaphala: for

a given year

of life, add to the completed years of life, no.

of Moon's nakshatra at

birth; subtract two; divide the value by nine.

Ignore the quotient. The

remainder gives the Mudda-Vimsotari operating at

commencement of the year.

The sequence and prorated length of each dasa is

just as in Vimsottari. The balance of the dasa at Varshapravesh is

computed by taking the balance of dasa from the natal Moon. Computed

in this way, the operating dasa will be one further each year.

However, I do not feel comfortable with this because I do not

understand the basis for this progression. Moreover, what

should you do for monthly charts? This knowledge could be

incorrect.

The basis for it is that the varshaphal derives

its significance from the janma kundali. Vimsottari dasa shows our

mental/psychic reactions to phenomena. In any given year we still

carry our basic imprinting, thus the dasa for each year chart should have

a link to natal chart. For monthly charts, the formula is altered.

To

(Janma nakshatra)

+ (years of life completed) -2

_______________

9

we add the number of the months completed so it is:

(Janma

naksh) + (yrs completed) + (months completed)-2

___

9

In the case of Ashtottari dasa, each nakshatra does not

correspond to one dasa. So 3 approaches are possible for

compressing Ashtottari dasas to Tajaka annual charts:

(1) Take the nakshatra in Tajaka chart and compute

This is the approach I used. Please let me say

more about it below.

(2) Take natal Moon and progress by one nakshatra per year

(3) Take natal Moon and progress by one dasa (i.e. 3 or 4

nakshatras as applicable) per year

We need more research to identify the right one.

For approach (2), I suppose to be consistent

we would use the same formula as above, and call it Astottari-Mudda, and

for the formula for Moon's Janma nakshatra, number the nakshatras as they

are numbered in

Astottari scheme, not Vimsottari scheme.

 

 

Sometime back, Sanjay told me that this nakshatra progression

could be wrong knowledge. I tend to agree with him as I can't

see a logical basis behind it. However, this is followed by

many many astrologers and it is a tradition in many

paramparas. Still, the knowledge could be incomplete.

You are referring to approach (2) not approach (3)

right? I have never seen approach (3) used. Approach (2) does

seem a bit cumbersome but maybe

research should be done.

Until the logic is clear, one may concentrate on Patyayini

dasa taught by Tajaka writers. Personally, I find the

compressed Narayana dasa (which I explained on vedic astrology)

the best for all Tajaka charts (from annual to monthly to 60-hr

charts) and I find Patyayini dasa the next best.

However, it should be possible to compress Vimsottari,

Ashtottari etc also. But the way we do it now may or may not be

correct.

 

 

 

 

Jaya Jaya Jagannath,

Dear Sat Siri ji,

Welcome back to the list.

I have two questions if you could kindly help me.

1. What is dwi-Janma year ? I know the meaning of terms, but is it 2nd

cycle

of the varshapal or some thing else ?

2. Can we compress Ashtottari dasa in general or is it just a experiment

?

Thanks in advance.

Hare Krshna

Karu

 

>I have a question about how you compressed Ashtottari dasa

>to the Tajaka chart. Did you take Moon's nakshatra in the

>Tajaka chart and find Ashtottari dasa in the normal way

>(but compressed from 108 years to 1 year)? Or, did you

>progress natal Moon's nakshatra by one nakshatra per year

>like in Mudda dasa (annual Vimsottari dasa)? Or did you

>progress natal Moon's nakshatra by one "nakshatra block"

>(giving one full dasa) per year? (Note: In the case of

>Vimsottari, the last 2 approaches are equivalent, but

>Ashtottari dasa is different.)

I simply let the program I use do it! and did not

check its results. It is Shri Jyoti program.

I assumed it was Approach (1), but now checking I

see it isn't. In that Varshaphal Moon at approx 22 Cap should be

in Astottari Saturn/ Merc at time of Varshapravesh and compressed dasas

should follow from that. But when using the "Compresss" option the

program says the first dasa is Moon/Rahu which isn't right. Even natally,

Yugoslavia should be in Astotari Jup/Saturn. If I used the Astotari-Mudda

formula:

(5 + 8) - 2

____________ = remainder 2

Starting Dasa: Moon (second dasa).

9

 

 

Natally balance of Moon is .034167 (Astotari balance)

times ten years Saturn dasa divided by total Astotari years of 108 years

times 365.2425 days in a year gives a balance of 1.155 days of Moon dasa.

However Andrew's program gives 18 days balance of Moon so I wonder what

he is doing I will have to check with him.

chart Moon following your first approach, as the first dasa of

the year for Astottari is based on the Moon's

position in

>

>I tried all the three. But Jupiter dasa dates given by

>you are months off as per each calculation. Would you mind

>sharing your calculations?

>

>Do you take Aardraadi variation or Krittikaadi? Sanjay

>and many traditional astrologers prefer Aardraadi.

>

I haven't ever heard of those variations and would

be interested to know what they mean.

Sat Nam,

Sat Siri Kaur

 

>May Jupiter's light shine on us,

>Narasimha

>

>> Dear Zoran,

>> Hope you are doing well

in the midst of the huge wave of

>people's

>> feeling at this historic

>> time of change. .............. The chart qualifies for Astotari

dasha and if

>you

>> compress that into one year Jupiter dasha runs from Sept 11 to Nov

>14,

>> and so hopefully during this time the transition will be completed

>> peacefully. AK is Rahu in twelfth as part of a kala sarpa

yoga and

>> suggests a big focus on international relations and cooperation

with

>> other countries. The next dasha is Rahu from 11/14 to 12/23.

>Rahu's

>> dispositor Moon with Ketu shows a 180 degree turnabout completed

>during

>> the year, with the key changes happening in Rahu dasha once the

new

>> administration is operating. Since Saturn is the Amatyakaraka,

the

>> people themselves are the VIPs bringing in the new leadership.

>> In D-5 of political power Mars (Milosevich)

is in an

>unfortunate 1-6

>> parivartana with Mercury in lagna. The uprising began 10/4

and

>went on

>> to 10/5. On 10/4 Mars pratyantar began in Jupiter Astotari

dasa.

>> Jupiter, the successor, is exalted in D-5 and accompanies AK Rahu

>in

>> the fourth, the seat of power. I wonder if the treatment accorded

>to

>> Milosevich will be somewhat lenient as Mars in D-1 is disposited

by

>> Venus and its Astottari nakshatra dispositor is also Venus.

>>

>> Sat Nam,

 

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Sat Nam Sat Siri ji,

 

Quick comments:

 

(1) In the formula you gave, subtraction of 2 is to get Sun (1)

from Krittika (3). The formula you quoted from Charak gives the

planet and not the nakshatra. Basically, this is the same as I

said: You progress natal Moon's nakshatra at the rate of one

nakshatra per year, when you compute Mudda (annual Vimsottari)

dasa. I got Moon in Poorvabhadra (Jupiter). In my second year's

Tajaka chart, you take as if Moon was in Uttarabhadra with the

same fractional advancement and so start with Saturn dasa. In

my third year's Tajaka chart, you take as if Moon was in

Revathi with the same advancement and start with Mercury dasa

and so on. The complex formula given by Charak means the same

thing I said.

 

When I see a formula, I try to understand what it actually

means. This helps me understand the basis behind it better.

 

(2) You said that " In any given year we still carry our basic

imprinting, thus the dasa for each year chart should have a

link to natal chart. " My question is: why should that link be

this particular one (viz progressing Moon's nakshatra by one

per year)?

 

(3) I said that this does not make sense for monthly charts.

You gave the modified formula for monthly charts. I am aware

that some authors give that formula. But I question it,

because there is no logic behind it at all.

 

Now you are progressing natal Moon's nakshatra by one per

annum when finding annual charts and by one nakshatra per

month from the annual chart position when finding monthly

charts. But, there aren't 27 months in a year. Within a year,

you do not complete one full rotation of nakshatras. This is

highly suspect.

 

Jyotish is extremely structured and logical. If something is

ill-structured, it is highly likely to be a corruption. There

ARE a lot of corruptions in Jyotish.

 

(4) You said that most people use 2 and you haven't seen

anyone use 3. The reason is that most people do this

progression business only with Vimsottari (Mudda dasa) and

Yogini dasas and not with other dasas. In both, one nakshatra

maps to one dasa and so approaches 2 and 3 are equivalent. In

a dasa like Ashtottari (or Kalachakra), each nakshatra (or

nakshatra pada) maps to multiple dasas. So arises the question

of whether we should progress by one nakshatra per year or one

dasa per year. This question cannot be answered unless

question (2) I asked above is answered first. Unless we

understand the basic logic behind something, we cannot extend

it to other things.

 

For all we know, computation of Mudda dasa etc as followed by

some scholars could be wrong in the first place.

 

(5) You clarified that you used approach 1. However, I do not

get the same dates using that approach. Our calculations

differ and I wonder why. Do you use Aardraadi? Can you share

your calculations?

 

(6) Zoran, in Parasara's verse on Ashtottari dasa, the

expression " raudrabhaaditah " is interpreted by some as

" from Krittika " and by some as " from Ardra " . Most traditional

pundits use Ardra. So do I and Sanjay.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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Dear Narasimha and others,

 

OM KRSNA GURU.

 

My chart qualifies for Astottari dasa. I have one question, why is there no

dasa of Ketu in astottari dasa system?

 

Your sishya,

Dhira Krsna dasa