Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 ||Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || Respected Visti ji, Namaskar, Still I could not understand why we are deviating on Karaka for sixth house. And also why we are not considering BPHS which had been said as a prime source in case of disputes. BPHS states only one karaka for each bhava and for 6th it is Mars. Though the rest of the astrological texts give primary and secondary karakas. Is the 6th Bhava primary karaka concept as Sani has been taught as a part of SJC parampara? If so I would like to get the answer for the below. Its a common practice amon the indian astrologers of considering Sixth Bhava as Satru Bhava which speaks about enemies Mars is the karaka in all of the astrological texts that I have seen. Even I had found Sanjay ji never neither overruled nor commented on Primary and Secondary Karakas as Mars and Sani. I had read in COVA and some other articles where he described Mars at the first point and Sani later. Doesn't it shows the intuition of considerin Mars as primary karaka? Please clairfy. Regards, Upendra ---------- Forwarded message ----------Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme13 Apr 2007 11:53:26 -0700 Re: |Sri Varaha| Karka for VIth housevarahamihira hare rama krsnaDear Upendra, Yes..in the one of last lecture, Sanjayji talk about every bhava and primary karaka, for shatrubhava He says Shani and its the same what Vistiji taught me and what my logic is accepting. This also becomes clearer when You will learn about the remedy for curses, when the lord and planet is not helping then You will take help from the bhavakaraka and in the sixth lord its lord siva - the same Devata which helps the eight and the twelfth. While for the third its Prajaapati. Regards,Rafal GendarzSJC Guruwww.rohinaa.com(+48) 503 44 18 18 Upendra Agnihotram napisaÅ‚(a): || Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namah || Respected Rafal ji, Just now it was happened to read Guru Sanjay Rath's Article " Path of Karaka " . Source: http://srath. com/mantra/ index.php? blog=4 The excerpt for VI house had been given as below. The sixth house deals with enemies for which Mars advises a show of strength, merciless subjugation and destruction at all times while the other activity of service is signified by Saturn showing the path of sheer hard work. In this article he never stated Who is the primary karaka for VI. Infact the hidden meaning of the above sentence for me states even Sanjay Rath feels Mars as primary karaka for 6th house psychologically as he described Mars first and Saturn later. And also in COVA on Page 204 in the first paragraph of Chapter IX on Sixth house, he had clearly mentioned that the natural significator is Mars. See the below excerpt from COVA on 6th House. The natural Significator for enemies,bad work,boils,cuts and injuries is Mars while that for service agriculture, toil,servants and physical pain and weakness is saturn Again I would like to say I am a kid in astrology and not good as the others who started and replied this thread. So forgive me as a kid if I am doing wrong. Regards, Upendra On 13 Apr 2007 07:42:35 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl> wrote: hare rama krsna Dear Shaileshji,It depends what You value more Mercury or Jupiter - this was one of the discusion in room in Serbija where Sanjayji told us about importance of sastra vs importance of Guru - of course I belong to the second category. There can be many examples where the Parampara help us to understand the Sastra's and of course Parasara we have today is the work of one person who was gathering this from many pandits in villages. If Sanjayji tell me that Sani is PRIMARY SIGNIFICATOR then for me this is the main authority because I have faith and knowledge for Sanjayji Sani Atmakaraka - tradition/parampara . If the BPHS tell me that some yoga in twelfth bhava gives moksha, then Parampara tells me that I should treat Karakamsa as the Lagna, if Parasara/Brhat Jataka tells me to look at Surya or Moon in D3 for previous loka then Parampara also comes and helps me see which Dreshkon I should open. So there is sastra in form of codes but there is Guru who gave me the unzipped version of knowledge and that is what I use in my Jyotish. I respect Your way of approach but Im sure my Guru cant be wrong and also some sastra defend this point of view. Regards,Rafal GendarzSJC Guruwww.rohinaa. com(+48) 503 44 18 18 Shailesh Chadha napisaÅ‚(a): || Om Gurave Namah | Om Namo Narayanaya || Namaste Rafal, Yes, of course there is a link between Hardwork and Weakness. Excess of hardwork may lead to temporary weakness; on the otherhand Weakness leads to inability to undertake hardwork. But how is this fact relevant to the thread - which is about primary significator for the 6th house? And how does this fact over-rule the teachings of BPHS, which teachs that Mars is the significator of 6th house. Later savants may have added Saturn - and it could be in line with your line of reasoning about shad-ripus. Even then, at best, Saturn can be described as a co-significator. No teacher; or arguement can be greater that Parasara's teachings; at best it indicates our own ignorance - or inability to correctly decipher Parasara's teachings. Regards, - Shailesh. On 13 Apr 2007 00:28:50 -0700, Rafal Gendarz <starsuponme@ wp.pl > wrote: +om namo bhagavate vasudevaya+Dear Shaileshji, NamaskarThere is a link between hard work and weakness, as the hard work is demanded when the objective is not realised. All shadripu have its own significations and has karaka(venus- kama, mercury-jelousy, mars-anger, ketu-moha etc) and own bhava (2-kama,3-krodha etc). Now this will be more clear when we learn about 1) nakshatra's & 2) lord of the year (samvatsara is represented by Sani), in these scheme we see that Nakshatra of Jupiter will show area of mastership & strength while the Sani will show our weakness. This is teaching of my Guruji. Hope this helps. RegardsRafal Gendarzwww.rohinaa. com Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Y! Messenger Make free calls Call PC-to-PC worldwide- free! 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