Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Hare Rama Krsna Why don’t you start with sharing your present understanding. What do you think it means to the best of your ability. If you have been practicing, some understanding must have dawned upon you. Namah Sivaya khmelevsky [khmelevsky] Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:39 PM sohamsa RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra Dear Shri Freedom Ji, May I ask you please, to give an exactly translation and meaning of the Durga Mantra (both outer and inner): Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vichchai? I'm not sure in the correct understanding of the Durga Mantra. Maybe that's reason of my problems. Sincerely yours, Youry sohamsa wrote on 21/01/2006 06:50:41 PM: > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > A mantra is composed of many parts; pronunciation, chanda(meter), > meaning (both outer and inner), as well as ‘when’ it is done, how > much it is done, and various rituals that go along with the mantra > like rishi, bija, sakti, nyasa, etc > > > > The intention is very powerful and will manifest its results over > time. Our goal is to learn the science of mantra relative to > jyotishaand to be able to make the greatest amount of good in the > shortest amount of time, thereby ensuring that we achieve our goals > in this life. As jyotishiswe give sikshamantra as medicine to > people, not just mantra to attain eventual liberation. We need to > get results (alleviation of suffering) for our clients and ourselves. > > > > There is benefit just in practicing a mantra (with unknown meaning > or mispronounced with good intention). Though the more we learn the > more we benefit. For example, some say that to do a mantra without > knowing its meaning gives only 60 percent of the result. So to get a > hundred percent of the result is our goal, and it is an enjoyable > journey of learning. Jyotish will show us what mantras/prayers are > best to practice, the other vedangashow us how to practice them. It > is a beautiful science that all works together. > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > 108ar [bona_mente] > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:45 PM > To: sohamsa > RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra > > > > Hello Freedom, > > > > Youry, > > > > Thank you Freedom for nice explanation of sounds, mantra- many > people will benefit frrom your post. I'd just like to add smth in > response to Mr. Melevsky: > > have you tried chanting prayers /in addition to mantras?- > > > > This seems to be an old terrain of disagreement- some > jyotisha' think that mantras are self-correcting, that one cannot > be wrong if sincere- /I feel that way too/ > > > > I don't think that chanting, even if pronunciation is not OK, can > hurt- chants of any kind, those meaningful to us, DO HELP our mind, > thus helping our existence. Pray to God with Love and your words > will be energized and invested and WILL manifest as positive power > on cellular level, as well as on macro level, with all the > variations in-between. Word is OMEN- /Nomen est Omen-Latin lang./ we > find in the Bible, and indeed, emotionally invested words, names, > day-in and day-out, DO bring changes- what's important here is- > emotional investment. > > > > Bless You, > > A. > > khmelevsky wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Thank you very much for your beautiful explanation!!! > > I chant Durga mantra every morning for several years and only now > recognized, that I do that totally wrong. I've had doubts about my > chanting, but now I see my problem. Thanks a lot for your message again!!! > > May we chant the Durga Mantra in the mind only (without sounds)? May > I ask to give a link or send an audio file with an example of correct chanting > ? > > Sincerely yours, > > Youry > > sohamsa wrote on 21/01/2006 12:17:49 PM: > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > The mantra is aiM hriiM kliiM ....... if one sees it in Itrans (for internet > > Sanskrit). > > > > It is not an " m " or an " ng " > > > > It is an Anusvaara, written in Itrans as " M " and in URW font as " à " . For > > best pronunciation one should talk to a Sanskrit teacher and listen to them. > > My Sanskrit teacher described it as the ma kara (m) sound but not closing > > the lips, instead closing the throat. In this way it directs the sound to > > the sahasrara chakra. If you close the lips to make it an 'm' then it > > becomes a labial (and vibrates the lips) instead of a nasal, and if you say > > it as 'ng' then it stays too low. When you see it written as m or ng it is > > just a font/translation problem as English does not contain the sound or > > letter of anusvaara. [There may be disagreement about the pronunciation of > > anusvaara but not in the fact that it is anusvaara that ends these and all > > other bijas.] > > > > This mantra is a Durga mantra used to remove the negative effects of Rahu > > and/or strengthen the Moon. It is 5 words, nine syllables, and the devatta > > sits in the first house, therefore it works on trines to strengthen and > > protect dharma. > > > > I do not know of any planet placements that are contraindicated for this > > mantra, though see VRA p240 for more details. > > > > It is best at the times indicated for Durga worship. The best timeperiod to > > begin this mantra is during Navaratri. > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > her_asha [her_asha] > > Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:00 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: how to pronounce navaran mantra? > > > > Namaste > > > > I have a further question regarding this mantra. For what purposes, > > situations, problems is this mantra used as a remedy? > > > > Are there any chart placements for which it would be harmful to > > receite this mantra? > > > > many thanks > > > > kind regards > > her_asha > > > > sohamsa , " vikas " <vedicvikas> wrote: > > > > > > Sirs, > > > how should we pronounce navaran mantra > > > as > > > aim hreem kleem chamundaye vichhe or > > > aing hreeng kleeng chamundaye vichhe? > > > > > > kindly suggest > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > vikas > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 Thanks Freedom for this great explanation- which covers broad range of related issues, Anna freedom <freedom wrote: Hare Rama Krsna A mantra is composed of many parts; pronunciation, chanda (meter), meaning (both outer and inner), as well as ‘when’ it is done, how much it is done, and various rituals that go along with the mantra like rishi, bija, sakti, nyasa, etc The intention is very powerful and will manifest its results over time. Our goal is to learn the science of mantra relative to jyotisha and to be able to make the greatest amount of good in the shortest amount of time, thereby ensuring that we achieve our goals in this life. As jyotishis we give siksha mantra as medicine to people, not just mantra to attain eventual liberation. We need to get results (alleviation of suffering) for our clients and ourselves. There is benefit just in practicing a mantra (with unknown meaning or mispronounced with good intention). Though the more we learn the more we benefit. For example, some say that to do a mantra without knowing its meaning gives only 60 percent of the result. So to get a hundred percent of the result is our goal, and it is an enjoyable journey of learning. Jyotish will show us what mantras/prayers are best to practice, the other vedanga show us how to practice them. It is a beautiful science that all works together. Namah Sivaya 108ar [bona_mente] Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:45 PMsohamsa Subject: RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra Hello Freedom, Youry, Thank you Freedom for nice explanation of sounds, mantra- many people will benefit frrom your post. I'd just like to add smth in response to Mr. Melevsky: have you tried chanting prayers /in addition to mantras?- This seems to be an old terrain of disagreement- some jyotisha' think that mantras are self-correcting, that one cannot be wrong if sincere- /I feel that way too/ I don't think that chanting, even if pronunciation is not OK, can hurt- chants of any kind, those meaningful to us, DO HELP our mind, thus helping our existence. Pray to God with Love and your words will be energized and invested and WILL manifest as positive power on cellular level, as well as on macro level, with all the variations in-between. Word is OMEN- /Nomen est Omen-Latin lang./ we find in the Bible, and indeed, emotionally invested words, names, day-in and day-out, DO bring changes- what's important here is- emotional investment. Bless You, A.khmelevsky wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Thank you very much for your beautiful explanation!!! I chant Durga mantra every morning for several years and only now recognized, that I do that totally wrong. I've had doubts about my chanting, but now I see my problem. Thanks a lot for your message again!!! May we chant the Durga Mantra in the mind only (without sounds)? May I ask to give a link or send an audio file with an example of correct chanting? Sincerely yours, Youry sohamsa wrote on 21/01/2006 12:17:49 PM:> > > Hare Rama Krsna > > The mantra is aiM hriiM kliiM ....... if one sees it in Itrans (for internet > Sanskrit). > > It is not an "m" or an "ng" > > It is an Anusvaara, written in Itrans as "M" and in URW font as "à". For > best pronunciation one should talk to a Sanskrit teacher and listen to them. > My Sanskrit teacher described it as the ma kara (m) sound but not closing > the lips, instead closing the throat. In this way it directs the sound to > the sahasrara chakra. If you close the lips to make it an 'm' then it > becomes a labial (and vibrates the lips) instead of a nasal, and if you say > it as 'ng' then it stays too low. When you see it written as m or ng it is > just a font/translation problem as English does not contain the sound or > letter of anusvaara. [There may be disagreement about the pronunciation of > anusvaara but not in the fact that it is anusvaara that ends these and all > other bijas.] > > This mantra is a Durga mantra used to remove the negative effects of Rahu > and/or strengthen the Moon. It is 5 words, nine syllables, and the devatta > sits in the first house, therefore it works on trines to strengthen and > protect dharma. > > I do not know of any planet placements that are contraindicated for this > mantra, though see VRA p240 for more details. > > It is best at the times indicated for Durga worship. The best time period to > begin this mantra is during Navaratri. > > Namah Sivaya > > > her_asha [her_asha] > Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:00 AM > sohamsa > Re: how to pronounce navaran mantra? > > Namaste > > I have a further question regarding this mantra. For what purposes, > situations, problems is this mantra used as a remedy? > > Are there any chart placements for which it would be harmful to > receite this mantra? > > many thanks > > kind regards > her_asha > > sohamsa , "vikas" <vedicvikas> wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > how should we pronounce navaran mantra > > as > > aim hreem kleem chamundaye vichhe or > > aing hreeng kleeng chamundaye vichhe? > > > > kindly suggest > > > > with regards > > > > vikas > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 > May we chant the Durga Mantra in the mind only (without sounds)? It is commonly understood that a mantra is much more powerful when it is chanted in the mind, with the aim being correct chanting without any movement of the tongue. This is what is generally taught. However, ISKCON devotees recommend that their moola mantra be chanted loudly. > This seems to be an old terrain of disagreement- some jyotisha' think that mantras are self-correcting, that one cannot be wrong if sincere- /I feel that way too/ Of course the intent is very important, and changes the effect drastically. However, have you ever met a jyotisha that says all mantras are completely self-correcting, and that the pronounciation doesn’t matter at all? If all mantras were self-correcting, the vedic tradition would not have placed so much emphasis on correct transmission of mantras. Here is an analogy: If an innocent child wants to meet his family on the roof of a building, but presses the button for the ground floor, what is going to happen? Which floor is the elevator going to reach? Do things with the best of intentions, and always try to improve. Both bhakti in samskaras, and a continuous effort to perfect the samskaras are required for good results. sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of khmelevsky Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:56 PM sohamsa RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra Hare Rama Krsna Thank you very much for your beautiful explanation!!! I chant Durga mantra every morning for several years and only now recognized, that I do that totally wrong. I've had doubts about my chanting, but now I see my problem. Thanks a lot for your message again!!! May we chant the Durga Mantra in the mind only (without sounds)? May I ask to give a link or send an audio file with an example of correct chanting? Sincerely yours, Youry sohamsa wrote on 21/01/2006 12:17:49 PM: > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > The mantra is aiM hriiM kliiM ....... if one sees it in Itrans (for internet > Sanskrit). > > It is not an " m " or an " ng " > > It is an Anusvaara, written in Itrans as " M " and in URW font as " à " . For > best pronunciation one should talk to a Sanskrit teacher and listen to them. > My Sanskrit teacher described it as the ma kara (m) sound but not closing > the lips, instead closing the throat. In this way it directs the sound to > the sahasrara chakra. If you close the lips to make it an 'm' then it > becomes a labial (and vibrates the lips) instead of a nasal, and if you say > it as 'ng' then it stays too low. When you see it written as m or ng it is > just a font/translation problem as English does not contain the sound or > letter of anusvaara. [There may be disagreement about the pronunciation of > anusvaara but not in the fact that it is anusvaara that ends these and all > other bijas.] > > This mantra is a Durga mantra used to remove the negative effects of Rahu > and/or strengthen the Moon. It is 5 words, nine syllables, and the devatta > sits in the first house, therefore it works on trines to strengthen and > protect dharma. > > I do not know of any planet placements that are contraindicated for this > mantra, though see VRA p240 for more details. > > It is best at the times indicated for Durga worship. The best time period to > begin this mantra is during Navaratri. > > Namah Sivaya > > > her_asha [her_asha] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:00 AM > sohamsa > Re: how to pronounce navaran mantra? > > Namaste > > I have a further question regarding this mantra. For what purposes, > situations, problems is this mantra used as a remedy? > > Are there any chart placements for which it would be harmful to > receite this mantra? > > many thanks > > kind regards > her_asha > > sohamsa , " vikas " <vedicvikas> wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > how should we pronounce navaran mantra > > as > > aim hreem kleem chamundaye vichhe or > > aing hreeng kleeng chamundaye vichhe? > > > > kindly suggest > > > > with regards > > > > vikas > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > Groups Links > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 thanks Sir for a fantastic explation of the subject, I hope we shall be enlightened by you on other subjects also in future. with regards vikas sohamsa , " freedom " <freedom@s...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Why don't you start with sharing your present understanding. What do you > think it means to the best of your ability. If you have been practicing, > some understanding must have dawned upon you. > > Namah Sivaya > > _____ > > khmelevsky@g... [khmelevsky@g...] > Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:39 PM > sohamsa > RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra > > > Dear Shri Freedom Ji, > > May I ask you please, to give an exactly translation and meaning of the > Durga Mantra (both outer and inner): Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vichchai? > > I'm not sure in the correct understanding of the Durga Mantra. Maybe that's > reason of my problems. > > Sincerely yours, > > Youry > > sohamsa wrote on 21/01/2006 06:50:41 PM: > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > A mantra is composed of many parts; pronunciation, chanda (meter), > > meaning (both outer and inner), as well as `when' it is done, how > > much it is done, and various rituals that go along with the mantra > > like rishi, bija, sakti, nyasa, etc > > > > > > > > The intention is very powerful and will manifest its results over > > time. Our goal is to learn the science of mantra relative to > > jyotishaand to be able to make the greatest amount of good in the > > shortest amount of time, thereby ensuring that we achieve our goals > > in this life. As jyotishiswe give sikshamantra as medicine to > > people, not just mantra to attain eventual liberation. We need to > > get results (alleviation of suffering) for our clients and ourselves. > > > > > > > > There is benefit just in practicing a mantra (with unknown meaning > > or mispronounced with good intention). Though the more we learn the > > more we benefit. For example, some say that to do a mantra without > > knowing its meaning gives only 60 percent of the result. So to get a > > hundred percent of the result is our goal, and it is an enjoyable > > journey of learning. Jyotish will show us what mantras/prayers are > > best to practice, the other vedangashow us how to practice them. It > > is a beautiful science that all works together. > > > > > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > 108ar [bona_mente] > > Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:45 PM > > sohamsa > > RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra > > > > > > > > Hello Freedom, > > > > > > > > Youry, > > > > > > > > Thank you Freedom for nice explanation of sounds, mantra- many > > people will benefit frrom your post. I'd just like to add smth in > > response to Mr. Melevsky: > > > > have you tried chanting prayers /in addition to mantras?- > > > > > > > > This seems to be an old terrain of disagreement- some > > jyotisha' think that mantras are self-correcting, that one cannot > > be wrong if sincere- /I feel that way too/ > > > > > > > > I don't think that chanting, even if pronunciation is not OK, can > > hurt- chants of any kind, those meaningful to us, DO HELP our mind, > > thus helping our existence. Pray to God with Love and your words > > will be energized and invested and WILL manifest as positive power > > on cellular level, as well as on macro level, with all the > > variations in-between. Word is OMEN- /Nomen est Omen-Latin lang./ we > > find in the Bible, and indeed, emotionally invested words, names, > > day-in and day-out, DO bring changes- what's important here is- > > emotional investment. > > > > > > > > Bless You, > > > > A. > > > > khmelevsky@g... wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Thank you very much for your beautiful explanation!!! > > > > I chant Durga mantra every morning for several years and only now > > recognized, that I do that totally wrong. I've had doubts about my > > chanting, but now I see my problem. Thanks a lot for your message again!!! > > > > > May we chant the Durga Mantra in the mind only (without sounds)? May > > I ask to give a link or send an audio file with an example of correct > chanting > > ? > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Youry > > > > sohamsa wrote on 21/01/2006 12:17:49 PM: > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > The mantra is aiM hriiM kliiM ....... if one sees it in Itrans (for > internet > > > Sanskrit). > > > > > > It is not an " m " or an " ng " > > > > > > It is an Anusvaara, written in Itrans as " M " and in URW font as " à " . For > > > > best pronunciation one should talk to a Sanskrit teacher and listen to > them. > > > My Sanskrit teacher described it as the ma kara (m) sound but not > closing > > > the lips, instead closing the throat. In this way it directs the sound > to > > > the sahasrara chakra. If you close the lips to make it an 'm' then it > > > becomes a labial (and vibrates the lips) instead of a nasal, and if you > say > > > it as 'ng' then it stays too low. When you see it written as m or ng it > is > > > just a font/translation problem as English does not contain the sound or > > > > letter of anusvaara. [There may be disagreement about the pronunciation > of > > > anusvaara but not in the fact that it is anusvaara that ends these and > all > > > other bijas.] > > > > > > This mantra is a Durga mantra used to remove the negative effects of > Rahu > > > and/or strengthen the Moon. It is 5 words, nine syllables, and the > devatta > > > sits in the first house, therefore it works on trines to strengthen and > > > protect dharma. > > > > > > I do not know of any planet placements that are contraindicated for this > > > > mantra, though see VRA p240 for more details. > > > > > > It is best at the times indicated for Durga worship. The best timeperiod > to > > > begin this mantra is during Navaratri. > > > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > her_asha [her_asha] > > > Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:00 AM > > > sohamsa > > > Re: how to pronounce navaran mantra? > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > I have a further question regarding this mantra. For what purposes, > > > situations, problems is this mantra used as a remedy? > > > > > > Are there any chart placements for which it would be harmful to > > > receite this mantra? > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > kind regards > > > her_asha > > > > > > sohamsa , " vikas " <vedicvikas> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > how should we pronounce navaran mantra > > > > as > > > > aim hreem kleem chamundaye vichhe or > > > > aing hreeng kleeng chamundaye vichhe? > > > > > > > > kindly suggest > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > > vikas > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Shri Freedom Ji, Sorry for delay. I have some understanding, but that's really difficult question for me. The first part of mantra is Om Aim Hrim Klim. Om is Om - a sacred word, which contains all universe in the Ommmmm vibration and used to correct the mantra, if somebody chant the mantra incorrectly. Aim Hrim Klim - is hail to the collective deities as I understand. I have no other sources, except of Internet and my books. In my books I have no explanation for that, but some in Internet. See: Aim Hrim Shrim hail to the collective deities (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:SQJwroJjLtUJ:www.clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/tantra/shrichak.htm+HRIM+SHRIM & hl=en & client=firefox-a) For example Aim Hrim Shrim Hrim Klim Sauh - hail to the Lady of the All Agitating Chakra (heart) (http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:SQJwroJjLtUJ:www.clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/tantra/shrichak.htm+HRIM+SHRIM & hl=en & client=firefox-a) The next part is Chamundayai Vichchai. Chamundayai - is a form of Chamunda Devi (goddess Kali (a form of Shakti or power, also goddess of war) in her wrathful avatar (form) of Chamunda ) (http://religions.iloveindia.com/indian-temples/chamunda.html). I can't find the word Vichchai, but I think that is like hail again. If you can give more precise translation, I'll be very appreciated. Thanks a lot for your help. Sincerely yours, Youry sohamsa wrote on 22/01/2006 12:44:54 AM: > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Why don’t you start with sharing your present understanding.What do you think > it means to the best of your ability. If you have been practicing, some > understanding must have dawned upon you. > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > khmelevsky [khmelevsky] > Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:39 PM > sohamsa > RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra > > > > Dear Shri Freedom Ji, > > May I ask you please, to give an exactly translation and meaning of the Durga Mantra > (both outer and inner): Om Aim Hrim Klim Chamundayai Vichchai? > > I'm not sure in the correct understanding of the Durga Mantra. Maybe that's > reason of my problems. > > Sincerely yours, > > Youry > > sohamsa wrote on 21/01/2006 06:50:41 PM: > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > A mantra is composed of many parts; pronunciation, chanda(meter), > > meaning (both outer and inner), as well as ‘when’ it is done, how > > much it is done, and various rituals that go along with the mantra > > like rishi, bija, sakti, nyasa, etc > > > > > > > > The intention is very powerful and will manifest its results over > > time. Our goal is to learn the science of mantra relative to > > jyotishaand to be able to make the greatest amount of good in the > > shortest amount of time, thereby ensuring that we achieve our goals > > in this life. As jyotishiswe give sikshamantra as medicine to > > people, not just mantra to attain eventual liberation. We need to > > get results (alleviation of suffering) for our clients and ourselves. > > > > > > > > There is benefit just in practicing a mantra (with unknown meaning > > or mispronounced with good intention). Though the more we learn the > > more we benefit. For example, some say that to do a mantra without > > knowing its meaning gives only 60 percent of the result. So to get a > > hundred percent of the result is our goal, and it is an enjoyable > > journey of learning. Jyotish will show us what mantras/prayers are > > best to practice, the other vedangashow us how to practice them. It > > is a beautiful science that all works together. > > > > > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > 108ar [bona_mente] > > Saturday, January 21, 2006 3:45 PM > > sohamsa > > RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra > > > > > > > > Hello Freedom, > > > > > > > > Youry, > > > > > > > > Thank you Freedom for nice explanation of sounds, mantra- many > > people will benefit frrom your post. I'd just like to add smth in > > response to Mr. Melevsky: > > > > have you tried chanting prayers /in addition to mantras?- > > > > > > > > This seems to be an old terrain of disagreement- some > > jyotisha' think that mantras are self-correcting, that one cannot > > be wrong if sincere- /I feel that way too/ > > > > > > > > I don't think that chanting, even if pronunciation is not OK, can > > hurt- chants of any kind, those meaningful to us, DO HELP our mind, > > thus helping our existence. Pray to God with Love and your words > > will be energized and invested and WILL manifest as positive power > > on cellular level, as well as on macro level, with all the > > variations in-between. Word is OMEN- /Nomen est Omen-Latin lang./ we > > find in the Bible, and indeed, emotionally invested words, names, > > day-in and day-out, DO bring changes- what's important here is- > > emotional investment. > > > > > > > > Bless You, > > > > A. > > > > khmelevsky wrote: > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Thank you very much for your beautiful explanation!!! > > > > I chant Durga mantra every morning for several years and only now > > recognized, that I do that totally wrong. I've had doubts about my > > chanting, but now I see my problem. Thanks a lot for your message again!!! > > > > May we chant the Durga Mantra in the mind only (without sounds)? May > > I ask to give a link or send an audio file with an example of correct chanting > > ? > > > > Sincerely yours, > > > > Youry > > > > sohamsa wrote on 21/01/2006 12:17:49 PM: > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > The mantra is aiM hriiM kliiM ....... if one sees it in Itrans (for internet > > > Sanskrit). > > > > > > It is not an " m " or an " ng " > > > > > > It is an Anusvaara, written in Itrans as " M " and in URW font as " à " . For > > > best pronunciation one should talk to a Sanskrit teacher and listen to them. > > > My Sanskrit teacher described it as the ma kara (m) sound but not closing > > > the lips, instead closing the throat. In this way it directs the sound to > > > the sahasrara chakra. If you close the lips to make it an 'm' then it > > > becomes a labial (and vibrates the lips) instead of a nasal, and if you say > > > it as 'ng' then it stays too low. When you see it written as m or ng it is > > > just a font/translation problem as English does not contain the sound or > > > letter of anusvaara. [There may be disagreement about the pronunciation of > > > anusvaara but not in the fact that it is anusvaara that ends these and all > > > other bijas.] > > > > > > This mantra is a Durga mantra used to remove the negative effects of Rahu > > > and/or strengthen the Moon. It is 5 words, nine syllables, and the devatta > > > sits in the first house, therefore it works on trines to strengthen and > > > protect dharma. > > > > > > I do not know of any planet placements that are contraindicated for this > > > mantra, though see VRA p240 for more details. > > > > > > It is best at the times indicated for Durga worship. The best timeperiod to > > > begin this mantra is during Navaratri. > > > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > her_asha [her_asha] > > > Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:00 AM > > > sohamsa > > > Re: how to pronounce navaran mantra? > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > I have a further question regarding this mantra. For what purposes, > > > situations, problems is this mantra used as a remedy? > > > > > > Are there any chart placements for which it would be harmful to > > > receite this mantra? > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > kind regards > > > her_asha > > > > > > sohamsa , " vikas " <vedicvikas> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > how should we pronounce navaran mantra > > > > as > > > > aim hreem kleem chamundaye vichhe or > > > > aing hreeng kleeng chamundaye vichhe? > > > > > > > > kindly suggest > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > > vikas > > > > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Dear Ajit Ji, Thanks a lot for your answer. I think personally, that correctness is very important too and why I would like to check correctness of my mantras. Sincerely yours, Youry sohamsa wrote on 22/01/2006 09:46:55 AM: > > > > May we chant the Durga Mantra in the mind only (without sounds)? > > > > It is commonly understood that a mantra is much more powerful when it is > chanted in the mind, with the aim being correct chanting without any movement > of the tongue. This is what is generally taught. However, ISKCON devotees > recommend that their moola mantra be chanted loudly. > > > > > This seems to be an old terrain of disagreement- some jyotisha' think > that mantras are self-correcting, that one cannot be wrong if sincere- /I feel > that way too/ > > > > Of course the intent is very important, and changes the effect drastically. > However, have you ever met a jyotisha that says all mantras are completely > self-correcting, and that the pronounciation doesn’t matter at all? If all > mantras were self-correcting, the vedic tradition would not have placed so > much emphasis on correct transmission of mantras. Here is an analogy: If an > innocent child wants to meet his family on the roof of a building, but presses > the button for the ground floor, what is going to happen? Which floor is the > elevator going to reach? > > > > Do things with the best of intentions, and always try to improve. Both bhakti > in samskaras, and a continuous effort to perfect the samskaras are required > for good results. > > > > Saturday, January 21, 2006 1:56 PM > sohamsa > RE: Re: how to pronounce navarna mantra > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Thank you very much for your beautiful explanation!!! > > I chant Durga mantra every morning for several years and only now recognized, > that I do that totally wrong. I've had doubts about my chanting, but now I see > my problem. Thanks a lot for your message again!!! > > May we chant the Durga Mantra in the mind only (without sounds)? May I ask to > give a link or send an audio file with an example of correct chanting? > > Sincerely yours, > > Youry > > sohamsa on 21/01/2006 12:17:49 PM: > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > The mantra is aiM hriiM kliiM ....... if one sees it in Itrans (for internet > > Sanskrit). > > > > It is not an " m " or an " ng " > > > > It is an Anusvaara, written in Itrans as " M " and in URW font as " à " . For > > best pronunciation one should talk to a Sanskrit teacher and listen to them. > > My Sanskrit teacher described it as the ma kara (m) sound but not closing > > the lips, instead closing the throat. In this way it directs the sound to > > the sahasrara chakra. If you close the lips to make it an 'm' then it > > becomes a labial (and vibrates the lips) instead of a nasal, and if you say > > it as 'ng' then it stays too low. When you see it written as m or ng it is > > just a font/translation problem as English does not contain the sound or > > letter of anusvaara. [There may be disagreement about the pronunciation of > > anusvaara but not in the fact that it is anusvaara that ends these and all > > other bijas.] > > > > This mantra is a Durga mantra used to remove the negative effects of Rahu > > and/or strengthen the Moon. It is 5 words, nine syllables, and the devatta > > sits in the first house, therefore it works on trines to strengthen and > > protect dharma. > > > > I do not know of any planet placements that are contraindicated for this > > mantra, though see VRA p240 for more details. > > > > It is best at the times indicated for Durga worship. The best time period to > > begin this mantra is during Navaratri. > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > her_asha [her_asha] > > Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:00 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: how to pronounce navaran mantra? > > > > Namaste > > > > I have a further question regarding this mantra. For what purposes, > > situations, problems is this mantra used as a remedy? > > > > Are there any chart placements for which it would be harmful to > > receite this mantra? > > > > many thanks > > > > kind regards > > her_asha > > > > sohamsa , " vikas " <vedicvikas> wrote: > > > > > > Sirs, > > > how should we pronounce navaran mantra > > > as > > > aim hreem kleem chamundaye vichhe or > > > aing hreeng kleeng chamundaye vichhe? > > > > > > kindly suggest > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > vikas > > > > > > > *tat savitur varenyam* > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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