[Jagannath] Lesson on Teaching and the teacher:

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OM VISHNAVE NAMAH

Please read this carefully as one day you will be the teachers.

 

Dear Dina-nath Prabhu & all,

 

It was I who had to take some very hard and fair decisions when the

discussions went out of the " Vaishnava " wavelength i.e. " SHANTI " OR PEACE

WHICH IS THE FIRST WORD DESCRIBING THE ATTRIBUTE OF VISHNU..

 

Shantakaram Bhujagasayanam Padmanabham Suresham

Vishvadharam Gaganasadrusham Meghavarnam Subhangam

Lakshmikantam Kamalanayanam Yogirbhidhyana Gamyam

Vande Vishnu Bhava Bhaya haram Sarva Lokaika Natham.

 

Your mails had to be moderated and to my knowledge, I have not BLOCKED any

mail. Zavisa was asked to leave the list for the month i.e. the Vedic Month

and after Sankranti (I follow the Vedic Calander and Sankranti system) he

joined us back. You can see that he is calm and relaxed and is happy to

share his views and knowledge. See the joy in the face of your Guru Maharaj

when he shares a few words with anybody. Do you remember the shine on his

face when he had just come from Vrindavan and used to chant the Maha-mantra

throughout the day for 18 hours a day for a month...that is the way you

should be. Even a single word should be like nectar...Madhuram.

 

By moderating your mails I was ensuring that none of the negativity that can

show during Rahu's periods should be exposed, else this will only continue

to build up in a tit for tat. I also did not reply to so many letters of

Narasimha and he too felt miserable as if I was ignoring or avoiding. The

point is very simple. We are not in a business forum nor is there any profit

or loss or one-upmanship, so there can be no reason for Rajas or Tamas in

this list. There are two teachers in the Zodiac and they are Brihaspati &

Sukra. The former teaches by example and compassion and the latter with the

stick. Both are necessary, but the latter method should not be necessary in

a forum like this. Please do not ever compel me to do such things again as

it hurts me very much. Strange questions like WHY AM I BOTHERED OR WHY AM I

DOING ALL THIS COME TO THE MIND IN THE FORM OF ILLUSIONS AND DOUBTS, then

after chanting the Gayatri all illusions go away and I am back on this. So

also you all should recite your mantra and stick to the work.

 

So also we all should be happy to share our views and knowledge. I am a

simple man with simple beliefs. I also like to study the birth and Punya

charts to find out what is happening all around. In the chart of Vivekananda

etc. I have shown the real PROOF of Iccha Mrityu where the soul leaves the

body at its own desire and only the LAST RATH " S RULE OF LAGNA works. It is

well known that Shirdi Sai Baba and Chaitanya Mahaprabhu left this world in

a method that is EVEN ABOVE THIS ICCHA MRITYU. I cannot explain the

phenomena as it is beyond the explanation of the scientific mind. THEY JUST

DISAPPEARED!!!

 

Thus if I or anybody uses a word like Avatar we are not wrong. Sai is an

Avatar of Dattatreya and the famous Sai Panchakshari " OM DATTA SAI " is

recited by so many. If we say that Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is an Avatar of

Krishna, it is very good and by reciting " OM KRISHNA GURU " we are only going

closer to our guru. If another person says that no, none (not even

Chaitanya) can compare to Krishna for He is the Greatest, then He is also

correct. All these statements are correct, but not perfect. What is

perfection? Perfection in spiritual development occurs when we can SEE

Krishna in everything and everybody. Thus the day we see Krishna in

Chaitanya, in Dina-nath, in Narasimha, in Zavisa and start believing that

ALL OF THESE NAMES OF PERSONS WHO HAVE APPEARED IN THIS PLANET ARE

MANIFESTATIONS OF KRISHNA, then only can we attain Him. When I have to ask

Zavisa to leave for some time or when I have to moderate the letters of

Dina-nath or when i have to avoid replying to narasimha till a few days when

all is calm, and if my heart is pained by all these actions and I regrest

that by this I have hurt Krishna as these persons are all manifestations of

my Jagannath, then alone can I say that I have understood " ONE STANZA OF THE

GITA " .

 

When I have to face the madness of persons calling themselves prophets and

lose my head and when they threaten me for chanting the mantra " HAMSA OM

SO'HAM " then I have to be firm, yet keep chanting so that OM (TAT SAT) is

restored. Please forgive me if I have hurt anyone intentionally or

unintentionally. Whatever I have done is for your good and only with your

good in mind. It is for this reason that I am gradually moving out of all

this managing and moderating work and have given this task to Narasimha. I

have a lot to do. I have to translate some books and also want to write

books on fundamentals as the basics have not been explained or covered well

in the present day books. Of late he has become calm and I am sure he will

be most relaxed and forgiving. WHEN I WAS YOUNG MOTHER ALWAYS SAID " IF YOU

CANNOT FORGIVE, WHY SHOULD GOD FORGIVE YOU " . So, please be kind to each

other.

 

You are all the fortunate ones to be a part of this sharing process having

personally accepted / agreed for this knowledge. So, love and respect each

other as you would do for Jagannatha and then this knowledge will come

pouring like the bountiful rain that enriches the fields. Why are we worried

about identifying whether the name " Chaitanya " has come from " OM " when we

know that ALL WORDS HAVE EVOLVED FROM " OM " . Let there be peace and please

concentrate on the lesson and assignment. I am waiting for replies from you.

 

I thank Karu and Yasomati Nandana for their prompt replies on the assignment

and Pearl for her brilliant analysis of the chart of the prostitute. I am

still waiting for others to respond. The sooner the better.

 

Hari Om Tat Sat

Sanjay Rath

 

P.S. Narasimha, Dinanath, Vijay et al: You need not give any further

explanations. Let this dussion become history and let us go ahead.

 

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Dina-natha Das <vmihira

Narasimha Rao <pvr

Cc: Pt Sanjay Rath <guru

Tuesday, March 21, 2000 3:25 PM

Re: [Fwd: MODERATE -- vmihira wants to post a message to

varahamihira]

 

 

> Namaste Narasimha,

>

> Jaya Jagannatha!

> ]

> > Later I will reply to your mail personally and cc it to Sanjay.

>

> OK.

>

> > We can clear our misunderstandings away from the list. The list

> > can be spared from this discussion until both of us are clear

> > about each other's position and intentions.

>

> This is not fair. This discussion is very much connected to our list.

> Because you are moderator you have the power to block my e-mails as you

are

> doing it right now. If you are propagating open mindness why don't you

allow

> other members of Varahamihira list to read what I have to say in response

to

> your letter and than make their own decisions? This seems to me like a

> misuse of power that has been given to you by Sanjayji.

>

> My position and intention is very clear, Lord Caitanya is the one who

> started Jyotish parampara in which SJVC is coming. Apart from other

> scripture references in order to start a parampara He has to be God or

> avatar of God. If you don't consider Lord Caitanya to be avatar of Krishna

> than how can he start a parampara? In that case it means that SJVC is

coming

> in bogus parampara. I hope that it is clear what I am trying to say.

>

> > I am ignoring your post and not approving it.

>

> I should have known that you will do that. You have always avoided direct

> answers to my letters. You are free to do whatever you want, but remember

> Krishna is in everyone's heart and He is watching.

>

> Dina-natha Das.

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