Guest guest Posted March 23, 2000 Report Share Posted March 23, 2000 narasimha rao <pv- wrote: original article:varahamihira/?start=1636 > Dear Suprabha, > Nice poem! Welcome to the list. Your poems always inspire me to write. namastae naarasimhaa! Thank you for the welcome and the compliment...I am glad you get something out of them > You said you could not hear the whispers of planets. We can hear and > understand the " whispers of planets " . But what is the use? What is the use !!!! Doesn't it help you understand the life a little better? Doesn't it help you in your dealings with others? Doesn't it allow you to help others through that knowledge? Doesn't it show you the path a little bit clearly so that you can be aware of potholes and other possible impediments ? what else you need from that ? > > I lay there - > Tied to the tree of material life > With six strong ropes, > Unable to remember where I came from > And wondering where I am heading next > > What use are the planets of dark skies > To a navigator who is stuck, > Who has no clue where he is > And does not know where he is to go we have come from the same place you and I my friend! And we will end up at the same place.. The paths might be different timings might be off who knows ? we might even meet again in next life too like this.. we all take our own sweet time cutting those ropes each with his/her own device many have tried and failed a few have succeeded knowledge and devotion are two things that certainly will help Guru's blessings hasten the process and.. could you imagine a navigator all alone, stuck on high seas with skies as dark as they can be with out even a pole star.. to show him the direction which way he will turn? To reach the faraway shores with out map and even direction would you dare to start the journey ? skies glittering above with stars,and planets should make one's mood certainly lighter than a pitch dark night... > > > My date of birth happens to be Oct.10th,1950. India > > ,city closest to the place I was born is GUNTUR or > > VIJAYAWADA.....Rest of the details are given > > above.. I don't have the necessary computer skills .So > > I am not able to send any charts as he advised. > > No problem, I am attaching all your charts at the end. Thanks. I downloaded JHL and got those charts too, but I don't have the necessary knowledge to interpret the data ...I was hoping somebody could help me understand what my planets are saying... > > Your lagna is close to a sign border and it may need rectification. > > You earlier gave me 4:40 as your birthtime. Now you are giving 4:30. > Which is correct? I don't remember giving that info...to any one on the list, except sanjay...It is 4:30am. yogi karve thought it could be 4:31am. > > If your birthtime is correct and D-24 is accurate, you have Cancer > lagna in D-24. Jupiter owns 9th and occupies 5th (Scorpio). > Interestingly, Scorpio's D-24 Narayana dasa started in October 1999 as > per my calculations. So this is a very good time for astrological > learning (assuming that lagna is correct in rasi and D-24). Hopefully I will pick up at least little bit from all the lessons and discussions and continue in next life.... a few questions..... Acc. to my birth data..I was born in early morning hours of Tuesday why is it showing as monday in the info. ? what is that brahma yoga ( sun-moon yoga) ? vishti? where does it show in my charts about my devotion to Saarada, either past or present ? and her blessings since the past 3 years? what was it in the chart that could explain in astrological terms? From the info from the charts, dasa's going on, what can I expect careerwise..in the next couple of years? What was the factor astrologically that contributed to my sudden job loss a month ago..? I simply want to understand even if I can't do any thing about it ? Thanks for any light you might be able to shed on the matter.... with best regards, suprabha > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > ------------ > > > These calculations were made with " Jagannatha Hora " . A free > version of it from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre can be downloaded > from http://www.sjvc.net or http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz. > > > Date of Birth: October 10, 1950 > Time of Birth: 4:30:00 am > Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT > Longitude of Birth: 80 E 29 > Latitude of Birth: 16 N 18 > Lunar month (maasa): Bhadrapada > Lunar day (tithi): Krishna Chaturdasi > Tithi balance: 0.811275 > Nakshatra balance: 0.661726 > Sun-Moon Yoga: Brahma > Sun-Moon Karana: Vishti > Vara (weekday): Monday > > Sunrise = 5:59:14 am (Apparent rise - upper limb) > Ayanamsa = 23-10-11.23 > Dasa year length chosen = 365.2425 days > > Planet Position Pada CharaK > > Ascdt 0 Vi 31'00.89 " U.Pha. 2 - > Sun 22 Vi 54'44.21 " Hastha 4 AmK > Moon 1 Vi 10'37.14 " U.Pha. 2 DK > Mars 16 Sc 47'46.51 " Jyeshtha 1 BK > Mercury 7 Vi 22'43.79 " U.Pha. 4 PiK > Jupiter ® 4 Aq 45'41.74 " Dhanishtha 4 PK > Venus 13 Vi 58'27.00 " Hastha 2 MK > Saturn 2 Vi 27'21.14 " U.Pha. 2 GK > Rahu 4 Pi 00'45.51 " U.Bhaa. 1 AK > Ketu 4 Vi 00'45.51 " U.Pha. 3 - > SreeLg 2 Cp 17'43.56 " U.Shaa. 2 - > BhavaLg 29 Le 40'21.81 " U.Pha. 1 - > HoraLg 7 Le 21'36.81 " Makha 3 - > GhatiLg 0 Ge 25'21.81 " Mrigasira 3 - > VighLg 25 Ge 44'06.81 " Punarvasu 2 - > PrnpdLg 26 Li 39'44.21 " Visakha 2 - > VarndLg 7 Cp 52'37.70 " U.Shaa. 4 - > Dhooma 6 Aq 14'44.21 " Dhanishtha 4 - > Vyati 23 Ta 45'15.79 " Mrigasira 1 - > Pari 23 Sc 45'15.79 " Jyeshtha 3 - > I.Chapa 6 Le 14'44.21 " Makha 2 - > Upaketu 22 Le 54'44.21 " Poo.Pha. 3 - > Kaala 16 Ge 20'03.53 " Aardra 3 - > Mrityu 27 Cn 37'11.58 " Aasresha 4 - > ArthaPr 19 Le 08'36.28 " Poo.Pha. 2 - > YamaGha 11 Vi 09'39.80 " Hastha 1 - > Mandi 2 Ta 31'36.93 " Krittika 2 - > Gulika 20 Ar 09'20.86 " Bharani 3 - > Kunda 11 Aq 52'12.12 " Satabhisham 2 - > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | AL | > | Rah | Glk | Mnd | | > | | | | GL | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | JupR | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| R A S I |-------------| > | | | | > | | | HL | > | | | | > | | | BL | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | Asc Moo | > | | | | Sat | > | | Mar | | Ket | > | | | | Mer | > | | | | Ven Sun | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | | > | Mer | | Ven | HL | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Ket | | Sun | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------| > | | | | > | Mnd Asc | | | > | | | Rah | > | Moo Sat | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | AL | | > | BL | | | | > | | JupR | Glk | | > | Mar | | | | > | | | GL | | > +----------------------+ > > Vimsottari Dasa: > > Sun Sun 1948-09-28 Moon 1949-01-16 Mars 1949-07-17 > Rahu 1949-11-22 Jupi 1950-10-17 Satu 1951-08-05 > Merc 1952-07-17 Ketu 1953-05-24 Venu 1953-09-28 > Moon Moon 1954-09-29 Mars 1955-07-30 Rahu 1956-02-28 > Jupi 1957-08-29 Satu 1958-12-29 Merc 1960-07-29 > Ketu 1961-12-29 Venu 1962-07-30 Sun 1964-03-29 > Mars Mars 1964-09-28 Rahu 1965-02-24 Jupi 1966-03-15 > Satu 1967-02-19 Merc 1968-03-29 Ketu 1969-03-27 > Venu 1969-08-23 Sun 1970-10-23 Moon 1971-02-28 > Rahu Rahu 1971-09-29 Jupi 1974-06-11 Satu 1976-11-04 > Merc 1979-09-10 Ketu 1982-03-30 Venu 1983-04-17 > Sun 1986-04-17 Moon 1987-03-12 Mars 1988-09-10 > Jupi Jupi 1989-09-28 Satu 1991-11-16 Merc 1994-05-30 > Ketu 1996-09-03 Venu 1997-08-10 Sun 2000-04-10 > Moon 2001-01-28 Mars 2002-05-30 Rahu 2003-05-05 > Satu Satu 2005-09-28 Merc 2008-10-01 Ketu 2011-06-11 > Venu 2012-07-20 Sun 2015-09-19 Moon 2016-08-31 > Mars 2018-04-02 Rahu 2019-05-11 Jupi 2022-03-17 > Merc Merc 2024-09-28 Ketu 2027-02-24 Venu 2028-02-21 > Sun 2030-12-22 Moon 2031-10-29 Mars 2033-03-29 > Rahu 2034-03-26 Jupi 2036-10-13 Satu 2039-01-19 > Ketu Ketu 2041-09-28 Venu 2042-02-24 Sun 2043-04-26 > Moon 2043-09-01 Mars 2044-04-01 Rahu 2044-08-28 > Jupi 2045-09-16 Satu 2046-08-22 Merc 2047-10-01 > Venu Venu 2048-09-27 Sun 2052-01-28 Moon 2053-01-27 > Mars 2054-09-28 Rahu 2055-11-28 Jupi 2058-11-28 > Satu 2061-07-29 Merc 2064-09-27 Ketu 2067-07-29 > Sun Sun 2068-09-27 Moon 2069-01-15 Mars 2069-07-16 > Rahu 2069-11-21 Jupi 2070-10-16 Satu 2071-08-04 > Merc 2072-07-16 Ketu 2073-05-23 Venu 2073-09-28 > > Ashtottari Dasa: > > Moon 1950-10-10 Sun 1953-04-01 > Mars 1954-01-30 Merc 1954-09-04 Satu 1955-12-07 Jupi 1956-09-03 > Rahu 1958-01-30 > Venu 1958-12-21 Sun 1960-07-11 Moon 1960-12-20 > Merc 1962-01-30 Satu 1964-10-03 Jupi 1966-05-01 Rahu 1969-04-28 > Venu 1971-03-19 > Sun 1974-07-08 Moon 1975-06-18 Mars 1977-10-27 > Satu 1979-01-30 Jupi 1980-01-03 Rahu 1981-10-07 Venu 1982-11-17 > Sun 1984-10-27 > Moon 1985-05-18 Mars 1986-10-07 Merc 1987-07-05 > Jupi 1989-01-30 Rahu 1992-06-03 Venu 1994-07-14 Sun 1998-03-25 > Moon 1999-04-14 > Mars 2001-12-03 Merc 2003-05-01 Satu 2006-04-28 > Rahu 2008-01-30 Venu 2009-05-31 Sun 2011-09-30 Moon 2012-05-31 > Mars 2014-01-30 > Merc 2014-12-20 Satu 2016-11-09 Jupi 2017-12-20 > Venu 2020-01-30 Sun 2024-02-29 Moon 2025-05-01 Mars 2028-03-31 > Merc 2029-10-20 > Satu 2033-02-08 Jupi 2035-01-20 Rahu 2038-09-30 > Sun 2041-01-29 Moon 2041-05-31 Mars 2042-03-31 Merc 2042-09-10 > Satu 2043-08-21 > Jupi 2044-03-10 Rahu 2045-03-31 Venu 2045-11-29 > Moon 2047-01-30 Mars 2049-03-01 Merc 2050-04-10 Satu 2052-08-20 > Jupi 2054-01-09 > Rahu 2056-08-30 Venu 2058-05-01 Sun 2061-03-31 > > Kalachakra Dasa: > > Ar 1950-10-10 Ge 1951-05-11 Ta 1952-02-13 > Sg 1953-06-20 Cp 1954-09-03 Aq 1955-02-26 Pi 1955-08-21 Ar > 1956-11-03 > Ta 1957-09-07 Ge 1959-08-12 Ta 1960-09-11 Ar > 1962-08-16 > Cp 1963-06-20 Aq 1963-08-30 Pi 1963-11-08 Ar 1964-05-02 Ta > 1964-09-02 > Ge 1965-06-11 Ta 1965-11-16 Ar 1966-08-25 Sg > 1966-12-26 > Aq 1967-06-20 Pi 1967-08-29 Ar 1968-02-22 Ta 1968-06-24 Ge > 1969-04-01 > Ta 1969-09-07 Ar 1970-06-15 Sg 1970-10-17 Cp > 1971-04-11 > Pi 1971-06-20 Ar 1972-09-02 Ta 1973-07-07 Ge 1975-06-11 Ta > 1976-07-11 > Ar 1978-06-15 Sg 1979-04-19 Cp 1980-07-02 Aq > 1980-12-25 > Ar 1981-06-19 Ta 1982-01-21 Ge 1983-05-29 Ta 1984-03-01 Ar > 1985-07-07 > Sg 1986-02-08 Cp 1986-12-13 Aq 1987-04-15 Pi > 1987-08-16 > Ta 1988-06-19 Ge 1991-07-21 Ta 1993-04-14 Ar 1996-05-15 Sg > 1997-09-20 > Cp 1999-08-25 Aq 2000-06-01 Pi 2001-03-10 Ar > 2003-02-12 > Ge 2004-06-19 Le 2005-06-02 Cn 2005-12-12 Vi 2008-03-04 Li > 2009-02-15 > Sc 2010-10-26 Pi 2011-07-24 Aq 2012-08-14 Cp > 2013-01-16 > Le 2013-06-19 Cn 2013-10-05 Vi 2014-12-30 Li 2015-07-11 Sc > 2016-06-19 > Pi 2016-11-16 Aq 2017-06-19 Cp 2017-09-13 Ge > 2017-12-08 > Cn 2018-06-19 Vi 2023-08-27 Li 2025-11-17 Sc 2029-10-30 Pi > 2031-07-24 > Aq 2034-01-11 Cp 2035-01-07 Ge 2036-01-03 Le > 2038-03-25 > Vi 2039-06-20 Li 2040-06-02 Sc 2042-02-10 Pi 2042-11-08 Aq > 2043-11-30 > Cp 2044-05-02 Ge 2044-10-04 Le 2045-09-17 Cn > 2046-03-30 > Li 2048-06-19 Sc 2051-06-24 Pi 2052-10-17 Aq 2054-09-05 Cp > 2055-06-07 > Ge 2056-03-08 Le 2057-11-16 Cn 2058-10-26 Vi > 2062-10-09 > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | AL | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | Glk Mnd | > | | | BL Asc | > | | | Moo Sat | > | | | Ket Mer | > | | | Ven Rah | > |-------------| H O R A |-------------| > | | | GL HL | > | | | | > | | | Sun | > | | | | > | | | Mar JupR | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | Mar | | Mnd | AL | > | | BL | | | > | Rah | | Sun | GL | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | JupR | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 3 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Ven | | HL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | Asc Moo | > | | | | | > | Glk | | | Sat | > | | | | | > | | | | Ket Mer | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | Mnd | AL | > | | | | | > | Rah | | BL | GL | > | | | | | > | | | Mar | Sun | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | JupR | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 4 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | HL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | Asc Moo | > | | | | | > | Ven | | Glk | Sat | > | | | | | > | | | | Ket Mer | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | Mnd Asc | | > | Ven | GL | | | > | | | Moo Sat | Glk | > | Mar | JupR | | | > | | | Ket Rah | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | HL | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 5 |-------------| > | | | | > | AL | | | > | | | | > | Sun | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | BL | Mer | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | GL | | | > | | | HL | | > | | JupR | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | AL | | | > | | | | > | Sun | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 6 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Mar | | Glk | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | Mnd Asc | | > | | | | | > | Ven | Mer | Moo Sat | BL | > | | | | | > | | | Ket Rah | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | Asc Moo | | | | > | | | | GL | > | Sat | Mer | | | > | | | | Ven | > | Ket JupR | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | BL | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 7 |-------------| > | | | Glk | > | | | | > | | | Sun | > | | | | > | | | Mar | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | | | HL | > | AL | Mnd | | | > | | | | Rah | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | Mar | AL | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Sun | | BL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 8 |-------------| > | | | | > | HL | | GL Asc | > | | | | > | JupR | | Moo Sat | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | | | Glk Ket | > | Mnd | Ven | | | > | | | | Mer Rah | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | BL Asc | GL | > | JupR | | | | > | | | Moo Sat | Ket | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | Mer | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 1 0 |-------------| > | | | | > | AL | | | > | | | | > | Mnd | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | Sun | | | | > | | | Glk | | > | Mar | | | Ven | > | | | HL | | > | Rah | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | Mnd | | | | > | | Ven | | Rah | > | Mar | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | GL | | Sun | > | | | | > | HL | | JupR | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 1 1 |-------------| > | | | | > | AL | | | > | | | | > | Mer | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | Glk Asc | | | > | Ket | | BL | | > | | Moo Sat | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | Mnd | > | | | | | > | JupR | Rah | Mar | GL | > | | | | | > | | | | Sun | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Ven | | BL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 1 2 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | AL | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | Asc | > | | | HL | | > | Glk | Mer | | Moo | > | | | Ket | | > | | | | Sat | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | | > | Mer | Mar | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | Glk | | | > | | | | > | Ket | | Ven | > | | | | > | Rah | | | > |-------------| D - 1 6 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Sat | | AL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | GL Asc | HL | | | > | | | JupR | Mnd | > | Moo Sun | BL | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | Glk | | > | JupR | HL | | | > | | | Ven | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | BL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 2 0 |-------------| > | | | GL | > | | | | > | Mnd | | Asc | > | | | | > | | | Moo | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | AL | | | > | | | Ket | | > | Mer | Sun | | Sat | > | | | Rah | | > | | Mar | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | AL | | Ven | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | BL | > | | | | > | | | Asc | > | | | | > | | | Moo | > |-------------| D - 2 4 |-------------| > | | | GL | > | HL | | | > | | | Sat | > | Sun | | | > | | | Mar | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | Glk | | Ket | | > | | JupR | | Mnd | > | Mer | | Rah | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | Mar | | | > | Sun | | | BL | > | | Rah | | | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | Asc | > | JupR | | | > | | | Ven | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 2 7 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Mer | | Moo | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | AL | > | | | Glk GL | | > | | | | Mnd | > | | | HL Ket | | > | | | | Sat | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | Mnd Asc | | > | Ven | GL | | | > | | | Moo Sat | Glk | > | Mar | JupR | | | > | | | Ket Rah | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | HL | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 3 0 |-------------| > | | | | > | AL | | | > | | | | > | Sun | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | BL | Mer | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | GL | | | > | Ket | | | | > | | Ven | | Glk | > | Rah | | | | > | | Sun | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | AL | > | | | | > | | | BL | > | | | | > | | | Mer | > |-------------| D - 4 0 |-------------| > | Mnd | | | > | | | | > | HL | | Mar | > | | | | > | Sat | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | | Asc | | > | | Moo | | | > | | | JupR | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | AL | | | | > | | | | Ket | > | Sat | BL | | | > | | | | Rah | > | JupR | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | HL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 4 5 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Moo | | Ven | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | GL | Mnd | Glk | | > | | | | Mar | > | Asc | Mer | Sun | | > | | | | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | | | > | | | | GL | > | | | Ket | | > | | | | Sun | > | | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | AL | | BL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 6 0 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | Glk | > | Sat | | | > | | | Mar | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | Mnd | | > | | Moo Mer | | | > | Ven | | HL | | > | | JupR Rah | | | > | | | Asc | | > +----------------------+ > > +----------------------+ > | | | Moo | | > | | Ket | | | > | | | Mer | AL | > | | JupR | | | > | | | Sun | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | Asc | | Ven | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------| D - 1 0 8 |-------------| > | | | | > | | | | > | | | HL | > | | | | > | | | | > |-------------|---------------------------|-------------| > | | | | | > | | | Glk Mnd | | > | Mar | GL | | Sat | > | | | BL Rah | | > | | | | | Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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