Reply to Sat Siri- Saptamsa - Case study-2

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Namste Sat Siri,

 

Thanks very much for your reply. You have added many good points. I hope you wouldn't mind if I ask some questions for my clarification.

 

Other comments are below

 

Thanks

Solai Kannan

 

Sat Siri Khalsa [satsiri]Saturday, September 02, 2000 10:52 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [sri Guru] Saptamsa- Case study-2

Dear Solai and Karu, i hope you don't mind me adding some comments on this interesting discussion.

Certainly not. We need more comments and criticism, then only we can fully understand the subject. After going through it all, I believe the Cancer lagna must be correct and I don't think it stretches the rules. Here's why:

First son's paka lagna is Mercury (P. 175 COVA "eunuch found to indicate male").

How? If we count reverse from cancer, the 5th house is Pi, its lord Jupiter in Libra. If count direct the 5th house is Scorpio, the lord Ketu exalted in Sg. So, how can Mercury become pakalagna, it must be a typo. Vimsottari dasha lord Jupiter does not have argala but is in SAMMUKH RASI of D-7 lagnesh Moon's Taurus rasi. As we have seen in Rath's Rules concerning tithis in COVA p. 327 Sammukh Rasi is an alternative to a rasi. Sammukh rasis are rasis with the "same face". They are pairs consisting of Aries-Scorpio, Taurus-Libra, Gem-Vir, Can-Aquarius, Leo-Cap, Sag-Pis. So Libra can be an alternative to D-7 paka lagna Taurus.

Very good point on the Sammukh rasis. Thanks for bringing to our notice. Bhukti lord Mercury is lord of third from D-7 Lagna.

As this exercise is to understand the rules clearly, here we need to get the correct rule. Because, as per lesson, " lords of 3rd and 8th house from the Lagna". So, I think, it must be the Child's lagna. Not Saptamsa lagna.

Solai's chart's MOST PREFERABLE DASHA is Astottari dasha.

True.

In that dasha you are running Mars/Jup at birth of first child. Mars has 7th house argala on Moon.

We cannot consider 7th aspect as Argala, but as Mr.Zoran mentioned, we can consider at times aspect also in deciding the dasa lord.

Jupiter is lord of ninth house, first son's house. Lagna at birth of child is Libra, in kendra from father's D-7. Tithi is Moon, lord of tenth from child's paka lagna Libra.

Agreed.

Second son's paka lagna is Saturn in Pisces, male sign. Vimsottari dasha lord Jupiter, same as above. Bhukti lord Sun is not "lord of the child (Jup), its dispositor (Ven), or lord of 3rd (Merc) or 8th(Ra)", as the lesson dictates, but IS associated with 8th lord Rahu.

If you see the 8th lord from the lagna of child (here Capricorn) is Sun. So, Sun is the antardasa lord for the Second child.

MORE PREFERABLE DASHA Lord in Astottari is Mercury/Mercury. Mercury is in sammukh rasi from D-7 lagnesh and Mercury is lord of 3rd from D-7 lagna. Lagna at birth of second son is Sagittarius, sammukh of child's paka lagna which is in a kona. Tithi is Mars. Mars can be substituted for by Ketu, according to Parashara's dictum that Rahu is like Saturn and Ketu is like Mars. Ketu is in 10th from child's paka lagna Pisces.

Very good point for consideration.

Thus it takes some substitutions to get there but allowing for those everything fits in with the rules. Sincerely, Sat Nam Wahe Jio, Sat Siri K. Thanks

Awaiting for your feed back

Solai Kannan

Karu wrote:

 

Jaya Jagannath,Dear Solai, We should take reverse count. So we find pisces in 9th house, IT is lorded by Guru. Guru is placed in 4th house with mercury/venus in libra(frutiful sign) This should normally give more female influences, however, guru This is where we need the clarification. In the lesson it is not mentioned about the child's lagnesh to be considered for the sex of the child. Plus, the conjunction dominates the sign. Let me put it in this way. When we are trying to match the already born child with the chart, we say male Guru and Male sign. But, if we are predicting, we will predict female, because of the conjunction of female planets. However, Mr.Karu mentioned that Mercury can be considered as Male at times. So, here it is not making any difference. What I concerned about considering the lagnesh for the child's sex determination. Is it correct or not? We must look at lord of the issue too. That is why when the lord is no conjoined, no debiliated, no exaulted sex is indicate by the lord it self. Mercury indicate male. It is not my rule but taken from COVA. is male andlibra is male frutiful sign, so the 1st child could be male. Guru is aspecting(rashi dristi) saptamsa lagnesh moon, and has argala over saptamsa lagna, so guru mahadasha is qualified to give children. Again, as per lesson, to find out the dasa lord,we should consider the planets having argala on the Saptamsa lagnesh. I know that there must be exceptions or additional rules, because, when there are 5 or 6 planets conjoined at one sign, then planets having argala on lagnesh will be less in number or may be no argala at all. But, those people are having children, so there must be another rule to determine the dasa lord. Then, we want to know the specific rule or exceptions. Shall we consider the planet having argala or dhrishti on the Saptamsa lagna and lagnesh to determine the dasa lord? Or should we see the planet having strong influence on the lagna or lagnesh?Mercury is with 9th house lord guru, so its antaradasha is qualified to give child birth.Again, here also we need clear guidelines on finding the antardasa lord. As per lesson, it is the child's lagna lord, its dispositor or lords of 3rd and 8th house from the child's lagna. Is there any additional rules or exceptions to this rule?Antar Dasa lord could be a planet in a trine to issue. This is basic rule and in COVA. Thanks,Karu

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