Shad-darsanas, Mars and Logic

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Om Hayagreevam Upaasmahe

Pranaam Sanjay,

JAYA JAGANNATH

Dear Narasimha,

Pointwise replies to your

analysis:

1. I think

I had agreed with that Uttara Mimamsa point, but used the terminology that

is easier to differentiate (Vedanta). We are saying the same thing out

there.

I knew we were saying the same thing. But when you wrote "Mimamsa (Both)

- Mercury", I wondered.

You were

NOT WRONG, but have the typical Mercurial trait of fluctuation (that

is why you gave both the options for Saankhya and Vaiseshika) which you

end very abruptly as it is placed in a Martian sign in your chart. The

level of reasoning is very high due to the DharmaKarmadhipati Yoga (It

gives the highest level of Understanding and Reason).

I know that I have DK yoga and that it is a good yoga. But how can DK yoga

by itself give "the highest level of Understanding and Reason"?? That is

not the purpose of DK yoga...

I think that lagna lord Mercury in 5th in my D-24 gives me any reasoning

abilities I have. Any "highest level of Understanding" that I may have

must be due to Jupiter in Pisces in a quadrant from lagna and Moon in my

D-24. Jupiter has 5 bindus and Pisces has 33 bindus (in D-24 ashtakavarga).

Also Jupiter in Pi aspects Ge lagna (lagna also has 30+ bindus - 34). That

must be the reason for any understanding I have.

No "highest level of understanding" can come without the strength of

Jupiter and aakaasa tattwa in D-24. DharmaKarmadhipati yoga is not a substitute

to Deva Guru's strength in D-24.

You can

get a list of the other Mahapurusha who were born in this Yoga from BPHS

and other texts. (An open

I did not understand. From BPHS?? Where in BPHS?

question

here: Do the Mahapurusha Yoga need to be strengthened with the ninth and

fourth lord in addition to the Sun and Moon?)

Why 9th and 4th? I think it should depend on the mahapurusha yoga and the

results ascribed.

3.

Is it so Narasimha? Think for a minute. Where does this Universe end? Where

does it start? Why was it created and by Whom? Is there a link between

understanding Godhead and the limits to our intelligence? It is from the

"Darshanas" that we get the "Dristi" of different roads that lead to Him.

For example, Vedanta shows the path of Gyaana Yoga, Saankhya leads to Karma

yoga as can be clearly seen in the Srimad Bhagavat Gita where, Bhagavan

Sri Krishna uses this foundation to urge Arjuna to become a Karma Yogi.

Kapila's Saankhya Shastra is at a basic level and its final level of development

is in the Gita.

Whatever Sanskrit and scriptural knowledge I have was accumulated before

I was 12. It was long back. My knowledge may be a little rusty.

But my understanding is that shad-darsanas are merely six hypotheses

(with some contradicting others!) to explain why this universe exists.

One says the universe exists because of the person of Brahman, one says

it is because of an impersonal Brahman, one says it is because of matter,

one says it is because of atom, one says it is because of action.

When all of them cannot be simultaneously be correct, how can they all

lead to Godhead. Some of those theories don't even recognize a Godhead!

For example, how can Nyaya lead to salvation? Can karma mimamsa really

lead to salvation? Mind you, karma mimamsa does not advocate "nishkama

karma yoga" - it sort of advocates "sakama karma".

These are just philosophical theories. Of course, there may be paths

to salvation emerging from *some* of these theories, but that's different

matter. These theories by themselves don't lead to salvation.

4. Each

of these Darshana have a foundation or hypothesis which is typical of the

nature of the planet.

Yes. That is how I guessed the answers to your question. I tried to match

the spirit of the foundation with the nature of planets.

Thus, we can infer that Mercury has a mush higher power of reasoning than

that of Mars, but does not rule the FIERY knowledge of NYAYA (LOGIC) which

is primarily the forte of Mars. Logic does not necessarily imply reasoning

or being reasonable. Logic says "a cat has four legs and a Dog has four

legs and hence a Cat is the same as a Dog". The reasoning of Mercury rejects

this as being "UNREASONED DECISION". In fact a reasonable person is one

who also compromises with the situation and takes a balanced view of things.

Thus a reasonable person finds it most naive to get into a fight and is

also the best businessman (Mercury). Logic always works under a limited

scope whereas Reasoning has an open door policy and does not accept any

limits. That is why a Logical Mars can arrive at quick decisions (Seemingly!

as these are generally very bounded like 2 Plus 2 equals four) while a

Reasonable Mercury is viewed as fluctuating as he continues to reason in

greated depth.

The two

highest gifts of the DHI SHAKTI to Human beings are (1) THE POWER TO UNDERSTAND

and (2) THE POWER TO REASON. These are ruled by Jupiter and Mercury respectively

called VEERYAKOTI PRINCIPLE in Jyotish ( I hope I have got this name right..please

check Brihat Jataka of Varahamihira). Further, we can also argue that understanding

or reasoning is also application of Logic, but this is not true in the

strictest sense. These require a much higher level of intelligence and

intuition as well as a much greater depth of vision than what is envisaged

under LOGIC.

Your characterization of Mars and Mercury has some truth in it, but I have

some reservations.

English dictionaries don't recognize the distinction you made between

logic and reasoning. But I see what you mean.

I disagree with your characterization "nyaya = logic". This is like

saying "engineering = mathematics". Just as engineering is an application

of math (a subject using math), nyaya is just one application

of logic. It uses a logical approach to understand why this universe exists.

Mercury rules the general subject of logic or reasoning (tarka).

Of course, depending on the strength of Mercury and influences on him,

tarka can become kutarka (bad logic), as in your example: "a dog has 4

legs and a cat has 4 legs. Therefore dog=cat". That is neither logic, nor

reasoning. It is "poor logic" (kutarka).

A strong Mars positively influencing Mercury in D-24 can in fact make

one a brilliant person with sharp and piercing intellect.

Having Mars and Mercury together in a quadrant from 5th (preferably

in D-24) is supposed to make a brilliant person with sharp reasoning. Mars

doesn't necessarily denote kutarka or poor logic or rashness. Strong Mars

denotes sharpness and weak Mars denotes rashness.

1. Narasimha,

can we also work towards understanding the Saankhya Shastra on the basis

of Jyotish. This will be the culmination of our discussion on the Mahapurusha

Yoga.

I will contribute in that direction after reading the relevant parts of

Gita.

As you said, saankhya saastra as taught by Kapila and his students is

rudimentary. One must read Gita for a better understanding. After all,

Krishna represents Moon, who rules saankhya saastra!! That's why Krishna

could convert a materialistic view of the universe into nishkama karma

yoga!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Your grateful sishya,

Narasimha

PS: We both have lagna in Gemini and Jupiter in Pisces in D-24. Hayagreeva's

upaasana will be beneficial to both of us.