kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Lakshmi-ji,

namaskar. Intelligence is the determining faculty

and heart is the place where emotions are kept. These emotions are

impressions that have arisen out of our prior experiences through

the application of intelligence. Emotions alone are misleading in

most cases and hence Swami Vivekananda has ordained us to apply and

strengthen the intelligence and purify the emotions and not the

reverse. Bhakti yoga deals with the purified emotions (which is akin

to purified intelligence) and not any and every kind of emotions.

The most purified intelligence is akin to Siva within us and Most

purified emotion is akin to Parvati within us. If the determining

faculty is strong (very strong Jupiter) the actions chosen will not

be from the heart and hence have less possibility of being wrong

(wrong means what binds us further). Hence Jupiter is not just an

ordinary God but the Teacher of the Gods (within us) and strength of

Jupiter determines actions even in adverse circumstances. Ra opposes

Jupiter with his only weapon, namely, blinding desire. Does desire

come from heart or from head? You can answer that yourself. You will

not see a person with purified buddhi (strong Jupiter) and having a

heart with wrong emotions.

The bottom line is that the mere fact that Ra as AK has a bad/weak

dispositor will not mean that the native can be a cheat, if strength

of Ju doesn't allow it. Ak in fall having a weak dispositor means

that the native will be hammered with situations and experiences

that are so testing that the native cannot compete with them, unless

Ju provides him with the necessary strength. The Strength of AK and

his dispositor will always be for the good or betterment of the

native, I am not denying that. Ju and Sun determines dharma or

righteous action, no matter what the heart tells, if these two are

in strength, the person cannot commit a serious wrong.

 

It is my personal choice and advice not to openly discuss the charts

of the great saints, atleast why they did this or that. I myself

want to study them, but through prayers and meditation and alone and

not through open discussions. But it is my personal choice. Please

obey your guru's advice. Pranam to Sanjay-ji and you being his

student, pranam to you, also.

 

Best regards,

 

Sourav

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sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

<b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

>

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Sourav ji,

>

> Happy vijaya dasami. I do not think intelligence alone

> determines one's actions. I think it is more

> head+heart and the ratio can vary from person to

> person. And, the problem with Rahu is that he is all

> head and no heart!

> :--))

>

> When i talked about Rahu giving the results of

> dispositor and Saturn, I was talking basics, na? of

> course, i agree that the over all tenor of the chart

> also needs to be kept in mind. For example in Sri

> Ramakrishna's chart, it is the strength of the 4th &

> 9th lords/houses which gave him such magnificent

> spiritual bent of mind, because in addition to

> intelligence, they also gave him an empathic/guileless

> heart and uncompromising dharma. Infact, I have seen

> that in most of the charts, placements of planets

> revolve around & reinforce a pivotal theme/trait in

> the native's chart. It's a pattern hard to miss and

> hardly broken.

>

> I hope you don't mind my talking about the charts of

> avatars & saints, because it is the direction given to

> me by my Guru, Sanjay ji. I may not be doing full

> justice to Them, but i become a wee bit better person

> by thinking about those great souls.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

>

>

> --- Sourav Chowdhury <souravc108> wrote:

>

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Dear Lakshmi-ji,

> > Namaskar. Nice attempt, but I beg to

> > differ. Dhi or

> > intelligence which decides our actions (including

> > cheating etc)is

> > determined from Jupiter and benefic/malefic

> > influences on it or its

> > dispositor. It is also seen from Lagna and

> > Pakalagna. Let's not

> > forget the basics.

> >

> > Best regards

> > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh

> > <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Swee & Utpal,

> > >

> > > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to

> > correct

> > > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us

> > firmly

> > > onto the " right (read zodiacal) path " as shown by

> > the

> > > luminaries. Isn't it so?

> > >

> > > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability to

> > > totally " eclipse " one's own identity and takeon

> > some

> > > other's persona. For example, Sri Ramakrishna's

> > > ability to morph himself so completely into Radha

> > and

> > > Hanuman, including even physical characteristics,

> > is

> > > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow. I

> > don't

> > > know if Visti also has this ability!

> > >

> > > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK is

> > > largely dependent on the dignity of its dispositor

> > and

> > > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is

> > exalted

> > > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's

> > chart,

> > > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed in

> > the

> > > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in

> > > astrology.

> > >

> > > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill

> > placed,

> > > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK might

> > turn

> > > out to be a cheat.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Lakshmi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Swee Chan <swee@c...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visti,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I guess these 8 spokes represent the " 2 layers "

> > of

> > > > the dwaras and are

> > > > different to the 12 spokes representing the

> > wheel of

> > > > time.

> > > >

> > > > I had an interesting read about planets either

> > in

> > > > the 12th or aspecting the

> > > > 12th from karakamsa in the JMUS wrt moksa.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Love,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Swee

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:33 AM

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > kala chakra and atmakaraka

> > (RE:

> > > > Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Swee, Namaskar

> > > >

> > > > The Jeevanmuktaamsa is seen from the twelfth

> > from

> > > > karakamsa. In this

> > > > parampara we consider this the istha, as the one

> > who

> > > > can give Mukti in this

> > > > body (jeevan-mukta) must be the most auspicious,

> > and

> > > > the rest are just

> > > > temporary focus of worship.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The planet determining the karakamsa, is the

> > > > atmakaraka and there are only

> > > > eight such for the animate beings, as these

> > animate

> > > > beings follow time. The

> > > > wheel of time has these eight spokes imbeded and

> > is

> > > > known as the Kala

> > > > Chakra. This is the basis of hinduism. It is

> > also

> > > > the 'map' of the atma or

> > > > soul, and shows the eight states (nine actually)

> > > > which the atma can be in

> > > > during anytime... see Dhyana-bindu-upanishad,

> > sloka

> > > > 94.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Among these eight spokes, half are recieving

> > energy

> > > > whilst the other half

> > > > are excerting energy. Because of the sense of

> > > > ahamkara present in most

> > > > animate beings, the spokes recieving energy are

> > the

> > > > only ones 'awake'... the

> > > > rest are hidden or without awareness. However,

> > once

> > > > in a while an atma is

> > > > born with more awareness of the remaining

> > 'hidden'

> > > > petals, and there are

> > > > four such atmas depending on the atmakaraka.

> > These

> > > > those with their

> > > > atmakaraka as; Mangal, Budha, Shani and

> > > >

> > > > Rahu.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thus the atmakaraka itself can determine the

> > level

> > > > of awareness and

> > > > spirituality.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen

> > > >

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> > > >

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> > > > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > > > http://astrovisti.com

> > > >

> > > > ***

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of

> > > > Swee Chan

> > > > 11 October 2005 16:40

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > RE: Re: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji

> > > >

> >

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