[Jagannath] Prasna (Horary): My practice of my father's approach

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Dear brother,

Even though, I also follow the same principle (of taking time of formation

of query), I have problem with our stand!

You have rightly admitted that, the queror may not note down the exact

time for us. Right, but, he/she is unlikely to report

time which is "far" from original time. Say, I think of a query now

(9.47 PST), and I am most likely to report some time

between 9.37-10.00! Right! So, your D-1 may not change much! But, D-4

and other devisional charts do change!

And your analysis is using them. So, unless we avoid using D-n's, I

am always uncomfortable with "unknown exact time".

With Sanjay's stand, this situation is totally avoided!

So, your sanity check using D-1 may pass even with a wrong time! That

is what makes me troubled. Our sanity

checking must be improved!

I am not trying to say "our" stand is useless, but despite being logically

nice approach, it has a hurdle!

I guess, we must some how do the "sanity" check more elegantly.

Regards,

Vijay.

Narasimha Rao wrote:

Om Vyam Vyasadevaya Namaha

Om Sree Gurubhyo Namaha

Namaste friends,

I will illustrate my father's approach to prasna (horary astrology)

using a couple of example.

While Sanjay suggests casting a chart for the time when an astrologer

answers a query, my father's taught me that chart should be cast for the

time when the queror forms the query. Queror forms the query at a destined

time due to God's leela and the planetary position then shows the destiny

associated with the query.

Just as a well-destined project is commenced at a good muhurta and an

ill-destined project is commenced at a bad muhurta, a query with a positive

answer is formed at a good time and a query with a negative answer is formed

at a bad time.

Because lagna in a prasna denotes the queror (and not the astrologer),

it is logical if the time of casting it is decided based on the actions

of the queror rather than those of the astrologer.

Cast the chart for the date, time and place of the formation of query.

When a particular astrologer receives the query and answers it is irrelevant

to the destiny of a query in my father's approach. Different astrologers

may receive and answer the prasna at different times, but that doesn't

impact the destiny of the prasna.

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An important question now is: How can we be sure then that the query

data we have is accurate? With Sanjay's approach of casting the chart when

the particular astrologer answers it, you always know the time correctly.

But, if we change the definition to "formation of query", it is not well-defined

sometimes. I may conceive of a prasna at 8 am, form it in *clear terms*

in my mind at 9 am and write it down and send it to you in an email at

10 am. Which is the time of the formation of query? It should be 9 am.

But how can we be sure that the queror understands the nuances and writes

down the correct time associated with the formation of prasna in his/her

mind??

For this, we are advised to guess the prasna (question) from the data

given first and attempt the prasna if the guess is reasonable!!

The idea is that the nature of prasna should be visible to some extent

from lagna and more importantly lagna lord (which represents the native).

Influences on them show the kind of things that one may be wondering about

at the time of query formation.

If there is no link between the influences on lagna and lagna lord in

the chart cast with the given "query formation time" and the nature of

query, it means that the data is unreliable and we are better off leaving

the question unanswered.

I will give a couple of real-life examples to illustrate my father's

teachings and my practice of the principles he taught. I request Sanjay

and others to consider this approach with an open mind.

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Example 1:

 

These calculations were made with "Jagannatha Hora". A free

version of it from Sri Jagannath Vedic Centre can be downloaded

from http://www.sjvc.net

or http://www.geocities.com/~astrowhiz.

 

Date of Birth: September

26, 1999

Time of Birth:

2:33:15 am

Time Zone of Birth: 4:00 West of GMT

Longitude of Birth: 71 W 12

Latitude of Birth: 42 N 30

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This is a real-life example. I was told the time of query formation

without being told what the query is about. I looked at the influences

on lagna and lagna lord. Lagna has Rahu in it within 5 degrees. One of

the things Rahu stands for is foreign stay. Lagna lord is in 9th house.

Lagna and lagna lord are in watery signs.

Clearly, only one thing came to my mind and I asked, "is it related

to foreign stay". I was told yes. The question was: "how long will I stay

abroad".

For foreign stay, D-4 is the chart. In D-4, lagna has Saturn and Rahu

in it. Jupiter owns 12th and he aspects lagna from his exaltation sign.

Moreover, lagna lord of rasi chart (Moon) is in 9th in D-4. These factors

suggest a long foreign stay.

My answer was: "for a very long time".

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Example 2:

Date of Birth: January

12, 2000

Time of Birth:

5:23:00 pm

Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT

Longitude of Birth: 86 E 11

Latitude of Birth: 22 N 48

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This was the query put forth by Sarajit Poddar to Sanjay and Varahamihira

list members. I read the query first (in the title of the email!) and cast

the chart later. So this is hindsight analysis unlike in example

1.

Lagna lord is Mercury. He is in 7th. Placement of lagna lord in 7th

can show that the prasna is related to interacting/dealing with others.

Lagna lord with Sun can show that those dealings are related to profession.

Moreover, they are in the 10th from arudha lagna (AL). Influence of fiery

Sun and fiery Sg on lagna lord can suggest somehting ambitious about the

prasna.

Sarajit asked about his chances in an interview related to a project.

The query was: "I am standing for a committee on developing business strategy

called ASTERIX. I want to know my prospect of winning. This question is

done with full trust and faith on the students and Of course on Sri. Sri.

GURUDEV!".

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Example 3:

Date of Birth: April

3, 1999

Time of Birth:

11:50:37 am

Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

Longitude of Birth: 71 W 12

Latitude of Birth: 42 N 30

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This is a real-life example and I wasn't told the question directly.

Lagna lord is Moon. He is in 4th and aspects 10th. Moreover, he is with

10th lord Mars in arudha lagna. So my first guess was that the question

was related to career.

Then I was told the exact question. It was indeed about career - whether

a career move the native was contemplating would work out.

If you are curious about the answer, easarpha yoga between lagna lord

Moon and 10th lord Mars is bad (Read Gayatri Devi Vasudev's book "Practical

Horary Astrology"). Lagna lord Venus in 8th in D-10 is bad. Sun and Ketu

in D-10 lagna isbad. I thought negatively, but gave a slightly negative

but mainly uncommitted answer (to avoid biasing the native). I was later

told that it didn't work out.

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Example 4:

Date of Birth: February

3, 2000

Time of Birth:

9:58:00 pm

Time Zone of Birth: 5:00 West of GMT

Longitude of Birth: 71 W 12

Latitude of Birth: 42 N 30

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This is a real-life example. Lagna lord is in 6th house and 8th lord

Mars (significator of disease!) aspects lagna. I asked if the query was

related to health.

The feedback of the queror was: "no, that's totally off the mark".

Then I saw that arudha lagna (AL) was stronger than lagna with its lord

Moon aspecting it from 7th. I decided to judge the query from arudha lagna.

AL lord Moon is in 7th from it and Sun joins him. Lord of 5th from AL

(Ketu) also joins them. So I asked: "is it related to professional status,

recognition and awards"? The answer was "yes, it is about whether my status

and standing at my company will improve".

Answer was: Yes, but after a lot of anxiety (nodes on Sun & Moon),

hard work, physical strain (8th lord Mars aspecting lagna in rasi) for

career satisfaction (same Mars in lagna and GL in Sc in D-10!). Because

of Marian influence in D-10 suggesting realization of career ambitions,

it should be near-term, sudden and unexpected. Don't know the answer yet.

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I tried to illustrate how the nature of the query is usually visible

in a prasna chart if the correct time of "query formation" is supplied

by the queror and chart is cast for the place of queror.

This is my approach to horary astrology based on my father's teachings

and there are many different approaches (e.g. Sanjay's approach). I hope

you will give due consideration to the philosophy outlined in this article.

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

PS: Mohini ji, thank you for your kind compliments on my ashtakavarga

note.

 

HARE RAMA KRISHNA

 

 

 

 

 

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