kala chakra and atmakaraka (RE: Rahu AK - Sanjay ji)

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||Dear Lakshmi-ji, Pranam. Thanks for a good discussion and your blessings. I am fortunate to have both. Best regards,Sourav=======================================================sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:>> Om Gurave Namah> > Namaste Sourav ji,> > I never said that "heart" alone is good. I always> talked in terms of head+heart, remember?> > Pure intelligence, as very beautifully pointed out by> you, is indeed Shiva and though brilliant, it is often> as gullible and defenceless in the face of cunning as> Him. The stories of Bhasmasura and Gajasura precisely> talk of this. And, the way He was taken in by the> Mohini avatara of Vishnu! Because Pure Intelligence is> like a Baby... inquisitive, innocent and> unafraid...hence its ability to roam hitherto> uncharted territories but very vulnerable all the> same.> > Wisdom is different, because like an old man, it is> not unmindful of past experiences and understands> impure emotions, though it undoubtedly revels in a> pure heart. Jupiter represents this wisdom and is> discriminating, whereas Pure Intelligence (Sun) is> non-discriminatory and is vulnerable to Rahu as are> pure emotions (Moon). Together, they can spot the> lurking Rahus, but it is Jupiter embodying Wisdom who> can finally slay the asuras. > > While Pure Awareness/Intelligence is certainly> "laya".. being one with Brahman, it lacks the> nurturing capacity of wisdom (head+heart). The former> blazes its way to personal emancipation, while the> latter meanders to moksha, uplifting & enriching> millions on the way. I think Sri Ramakrishna, for> along time, forbade Swami Vivekananda to cross the> final threshold to Absolute Consciousness, for this> very purpose. He wanted Vivekananda to learn to> nurture.> > Thanks for a great discussion and I can see the fire> and passion of Vivekananda burning in you too. All the> very best and God bless. > > And, I always thought that Jupiter loves the company> of Moon> > Regards,> Lakshmi> > --- Sourav Chowdhury souravc108 wrote:> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > namaskar. Intelligence is the> > determining faculty > > and heart is the place where emotions are kept.> > These emotions are > > impressions that have arisen out of our prior> > experiences through > > the application of intelligence. Emotions alone are> > misleading in > > most cases and hence Swami Vivekananda has ordained> > us to apply and > > strengthen the intelligence and purify the emotions> > and not the > > reverse. Bhakti yoga deals with the purified> > emotions (which is akin > > to purified intelligence) and not any and every kind> > of emotions. > > The most purified intelligence is akin to Siva> > within us and Most > > purified emotion is akin to Parvati within us. If> > the determining > > faculty is strong (very strong Jupiter) the actions> > chosen will not > > be from the heart and hence have less possibility of> > being wrong > > (wrong means what binds us further). Hence Jupiter> > is not just an > > ordinary God but the Teacher of the Gods (within us)> > and strength of > > Jupiter determines actions even in adverse> > circumstances. Ra opposes > > Jupiter with his only weapon, namely, blinding> > desire. Does desire > > come from heart or from head? You can answer that> > yourself. You will > > not see a person with purified buddhi (strong> > Jupiter) and having a > > heart with wrong emotions. > > The bottom line is that the mere fact that Ra as AK> > has a bad/weak > > dispositor will not mean that the native can be a> > cheat, if strength > > of Ju doesn't allow it. Ak in fall having a weak> > dispositor means > > that the native will be hammered with situations and> > experiences > > that are so testing that the native cannot compete> > with them, unless > > Ju provides him with the necessary strength. The > > Strength of AK and > > his dispositor will always be for the good or> > betterment of the > > native, I am not denying that. Ju and Sun determines> > dharma or > > righteous action, no matter what the heart tells, if> > these two are > > in strength, the person cannot commit a serious> > wrong.> > > > It is my personal choice and advice not to openly> > discuss the charts > > of the great saints, atleast why they did this or> > that. I myself > > want to study them, but through prayers and> > meditation and alone and > > not through open discussions. But it is my personal> > choice. Please > > obey your guru's advice. Pranam to Sanjay-ji and you> > being his > > student, pranam to you, also.> > > > Best regards,> > > > Sourav> >> ====================================================================> > > > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > Namaste Sourav ji,> > > > > > Happy vijaya dasami. I do not think intelligence> > alone> > > determines one's actions. I think it is more> > > head+heart and the ratio can vary from person to> > > person. And, the problem with Rahu is that he is> > all> > > head and no heart!> > > :--))> > > > > > When i talked about Rahu giving the results of> > > dispositor and Saturn, I was talking basics, na?> > of> > > course, i agree that the over all tenor of the> > chart> > > also needs to be kept in mind. For example in Sri> > > Ramakrishna's chart, it is the strength of the 4th> > & > > > 9th lords/houses which gave him such magnificent> > > spiritual bent of mind, because in addition to> > > intelligence, they also gave him an> > empathic/guileless> > > heart and uncompromising dharma. Infact, I have> > seen> > > that in most of the charts, placements of planets> > > revolve around & reinforce a pivotal theme/trait> > in> > > the native's chart. It's a pattern hard to miss> > and> > > hardly broken.> > > > > > I hope you don't mind my talking about the charts> > of> > > avatars & saints, because it is the direction> > given to> > > me by my Guru, Sanjay ji. I may not be doing full> > > justice to Them, but i become a wee bit better> > person> > > by thinking about those great souls.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Sourav Chowdhury souravc108 wrote:> > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > Dear Lakshmi-ji,> > > > Namaskar. Nice attempt, but I> > beg to> > > > differ. Dhi or > > > > intelligence which decides our actions> > (including> > > > cheating etc)is > > > > determined from Jupiter and benefic/malefic> > > > influences on it or its > > > > dispositor. It is also seen from Lagna and> > > > Pakalagna. Let's not > > > > forget the basics.> > > > > > > > Best regards> > > > sohamsa , lakshmi ramesh > > > > b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Gurave Namah> > > > > > > > > > Dear Swee & Utpal,> > > > > > > > > > I feel that the very purpose of Ishta is to> > > > correct> > > > > our li'l kinks and retrogressions and force us> > > > firmly> > > > > onto the "right (read zodiacal) path" as shown> > by> > > > the> > > > > luminaries. Isn't it so? > > > > > > > > > > I think Rahu as AK gives one the rare ability> > to> > > > > totally "eclipse" one's own identity and> > takeon > > > > some> > > > > other's persona. For example, Sri> > Ramakrishna's> > > > > ability to morph himself so completely into> > Radha> > > > and> > > > > Hanuman, including even physical> > characteristics,> > > > is> > > > > something only Rahu as AK can perhaps bestow.> > I> > > > don't> > > > > know if Visti also has this ability!> > > > > > > > > > I also feel that the behaviour of Rahu as AK> > is> > > > > largely dependent on the dignity of its> > dispositor> > > > and> > > > > Saturn. In Sri Ramkrishna's chart, Saturn is> > > > exalted> > > > > and so is Venus, Rahu's dispositor. In Visti's> > > > chart,> > > > > Rahu's dispositor Moon and Saturn are placed> > in> > > > the> > > > > 11th house, pointing to his great interest in> > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > But if Rahu's dispositor and Saturn are ill> > > > placed,> > > > > perhaps the native with such a Rahu as AK> > might> > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >