Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish

February 10, 2001

Dear Solai,

What about Venus the Karaka? Please check the transit/progressed Sun to

this.

Secondly, in progression, the actual accurate method is to check the exact

psition of the transit Sun on a particular date and time. The calculations

are an approximation.

Take your birth date and time and add the progressed days to it. In this

case it is 26.91667

or 26 days, 22 hours. Then check the exact degree of the Sun on the date

arrived at.

Please report back.

With Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

-

" Solai Kannan " <solai

Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:07 PM

[sri Guru] Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish

> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> JAYA JAGANNATHA

>

> Namaste Narasimha,

>

> I applied this to my chart for the marriage. But, I am unable to find any

> relevance of the date of the marriage to the important marriage favouring

> points.

>

> I give below the chart for reference.

>

> My marriage was on 21st October 1991.

>

> Sun's Navamsa progression at this date is 89 degree 43 minutes

>

> Calculation:

> 26 years 11 months = 26.916667

> 26.916667 x 3.333333 = 89.72 = 89 degree 43 minutes. = 2s29.43

>

> Sun's position is 7s5.41

> So, 2s29.43+7s5.41 = 10s5.24 = 5 Aq 24

>

> 1.My Vivaha seham is 22 Sc 21, which is not in trines or opposite.

> 2.UL lord (both in Rasi & Navamsa) Jupiter is not in trine or in opposite.

> 3.7th lord is Sun, it is also not in trine or opposite

> 4.7th lord in Navamsa is Mars. Sun's progression is opposite to Mars, but

> the longitude is not exact or nearer.

>

> Question 1. What is wrong with my working?

>

> Question 2. Regarding this progressions, how far we can use this in

> predictive astrology?

>

> Question 3. I think we have to consider only the progression of sun on

> particular point (or very nearer) and its trines or opposite. The

> 'particular points' can be Natal positions, seham, special lagnas. Is my

> understanding correct? What are the other 'important points' other than

> these to be considered?

>

> Question 4. In Example 7. For eye sight problem Gurudeva has considered

> dasamsa progression, in the sense that it is due to a karma or action

which

> lead to the poor eye sight. (a), how do we know that it is due to this

> karma? firstly, there is no proven correlation in your case. secondly, how

> when some body come with an eye problem, we will decide it is due to a

karma

> or body composition? (b) this way we can correlate anything; the effect of

> something will be the cause of some action or karma. So, is it advisable

to

> consider dasamsa progression for everything?

>

> Question 5. In hora progression within 24 years, Sun's one cycle of

> progression will be completed. So, the next progression will touch all the

> points again in another 24 years. This identical happening is not

practical.

> So, the chart on the time of progression on certain point is important.

But,

> you didn't go into the details of analysing the progression chart. When

you

> have time please, elaborate on the interpretation of the progression

chart.

> I know it will be similar to any other chart analysis. But, if you can do

it

> with example it will help us.

>

> Question 6. Can this be extended to non Parasara vargas like, D-5, D-6,

D-8?

>

> Thanks

> Your sisya

> Solai Kannan

>

> Date of Birth: November 21, 1964

> Time of Birth: 1:35:35 pm

> Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT

> Longitude of Birth: 78 E 50

> Latitude of Birth: 9 N 23

>

> Planet Position Pada CharaK

>

> Ascdt 25 Aq 36 Poo.Bhaa. 2 -

> Sun 5 Sc 41 Anuradha 1 PK

> Moon 29 Ta 07 Mrigasira 2 AmK

> Mars 14 Le 20 Poo.Pha. 1 PiK

> Mercury 25 Sc 09 Jyeshtha 3 MK

> Jupiter ® 26 Ar 37 Bharani 4 BK

> Venus 2 Li 04 Chitra 3 DK

> Saturn 5 Aq 19 Dhanishtha 4 GK

> Rahu 0 Ge 46 Mrigasira 3 AK

> Ketu 0 Sg 46 Moola 1 -

> BhavaLg 26 Aq 36 Poo.Bhaa. 2 -

> HoraLg 17 Ge 51 Aardra 4 -

> GhatiLg 21 Ta 33 Rohini 4 -

>

> +----------------------+

> | | | | |

> | | | GL | Rah |

> | | JupR | | |

> | | | Moo | HL |

> | | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | Sat | | |

> | | | |

> | Asc | | |

> | | | |

> | BL | | |

> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|

> | | | |

> | Glk | | |

> | | | Mar |

> | Mnd | | |

> | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | | |

> | | Sun | | |

> | Ket | | Ven | |

> | | Mer | | |

> | | | | |

> +----------------------+

>

> +----------------------+

> | | | | |

> | | | Asc | |

> | HL | Ket | | Mnd |

> | | | BL | |

> | | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | |

> | Mer | | |

> | | | GL |

> | Glk | | |

> | | | |

> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|

> | | | |

> | | | Mar |

> | | | |

> | | | Sun |

> | | | |

> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|

> | | | | |

> | | JupR | Rah | |

> | | | | Moo |

> | | Sat | Ven | |

> | | | | |

> +----------------------+

>

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February 10, 2001

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Pranam Gurudeva,

Thanks for your feed back.

Natal position of Venus is 2 Li 04. It is close to the trinal point of Sun's Navamsa progression of 5 Aq 24 on the marriage date, but not exact.

I worked out as you mentioned for the number of days progression of Sun on the marriage date. For 26 days 22 hours, the date is 18th December 1964. On this day Sun is at 3 Sg 00.

I am unable to match this with any of the marriage favouring points, except what Narasimha had mentioned about Saturn. Please, help me out.

One question: The number of days progression as you mentioned, is equal to Sun's Trimsamsa progression. Is my understanding correct?

Thanks

Your sisya

Solai Kannan

Sanjay Rath [srath]Saturday, February 10, 2001 6:27 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [sri Guru] Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in JyotishDear Solai,What about Venus the Karaka? Please check the transit/progressed Sun tothis.Secondly, in progression, the actual accurate method is to check the exactpsition of the transit Sun on a particular date and time. The calculationsare an approximation.Take your birth date and time and add the progressed days to it. In thiscase it is 26.91667or 26 days, 22 hours. Then check the exact degree of the Sun on the datearrived at.Please report back.With Best WishesSanjay Rath-"Solai Kannan" <solai<varahamihira >Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:07 PM[sri Guru] Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH> JAYA JAGANNATHA>> Namaste Narasimha,>> I applied this to my chart for the marriage. But, I am unable to find any> relevance of the date of the marriage to the important marriage favouring> points.>> I give below the chart for reference.>> My marriage was on 21st October 1991.>> Sun's Navamsa progression at this date is 89 degree 43 minutes>> Calculation:> 26 years 11 months = 26.916667> 26.916667 x 3.333333 = 89.72 = 89 degree 43 minutes. = 2s29.43>> Sun's position is 7s5.41> So, 2s29.43+7s5.41 = 10s5.24 = 5 Aq 24>> 1.My Vivaha seham is 22 Sc 21, which is not in trines or opposite.> 2.UL lord (both in Rasi & Navamsa) Jupiter is not in trine or in opposite.> 3.7th lord is Sun, it is also not in trine or opposite> 4.7th lord in Navamsa is Mars. Sun's progression is opposite to Mars, but> the longitude is not exact or nearer.>> Question 1. What is wrong with my working?>> Question 2. Regarding this progressions, how far we can use this in> predictive astrology?>> Question 3. I think we have to consider only the progression of sun on> particular point (or very nearer) and its trines or opposite. The> 'particular points' can be Natal positions, seham, special lagnas. Is my> understanding correct? What are the other 'important points' other than> these to be considered?>> Question 4. In Example 7. For eye sight problem Gurudeva has considered> dasamsa progression, in the sense that it is due to a karma or actionwhich> lead to the poor eye sight. (a), how do we know that it is due to this> karma? firstly, there is no proven correlation in your case. secondly, how> when some body come with an eye problem, we will decide it is due to akarma> or body composition? (b) this way we can correlate anything; the effect of> something will be the cause of some action or karma. So, is it advisableto> consider dasamsa progression for everything?>> Question 5. In hora progression within 24 years, Sun's one cycle of> progression will be completed. So, the next progression will touch all the> points again in another 24 years. This identical happening is notpractical.> So, the chart on the time of progression on certain point is important.But,> you didn't go into the details of analysing the progression chart. Whenyou> have time please, elaborate on the interpretation of the progressionchart.> I know it will be similar to any other chart analysis. But, if you can doit> with example it will help us.>> Question 6. Can this be extended to non Parasara vargas like, D-5, D-6,D-8?>> Thanks> Your sisya> Solai Kannan>>>> Date of Birth: November 21, 1964> Time of Birth: 1:35:35 pm> Time Zone of Birth: 5:30 East of GMT> Longitude of Birth: 78 E 50> Latitude of Birth: 9 N 23>> Planet Position Pada CharaK>> Ascdt 25 Aq 36 Poo.Bhaa. 2 -> Sun 5 Sc 41 Anuradha 1 PK> Moon 29 Ta 07 Mrigasira 2 AmK> Mars 14 Le 20 Poo.Pha. 1 PiK> Mercury 25 Sc 09 Jyeshtha 3 MK> Jupiter ® 26 Ar 37 Bharani 4 BK> Venus 2 Li 04 Chitra 3 DK> Saturn 5 Aq 19 Dhanishtha 4 GK> Rahu 0 Ge 46 Mrigasira 3 AK> Ketu 0 Sg 46 Moola 1 -> BhavaLg 26 Aq 36 Poo.Bhaa. 2 -> HoraLg 17 Ge 51 Aardra 4 -> GhatiLg 21 Ta 33 Rohini 4 ->> +----------------------+> | | | | |> | | | GL | Rah |> | | JupR | | |> | | | Moo | HL |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | Sat | | |> | | | |> | Asc | | |> | | | |> | BL | | |> |-------------| R A S I |-------------|> | | | |> | Glk | | |> | | | Mar |> | Mnd | | |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | |> | | Sun | | |> | Ket | | Ven | |> | | Mer | | |> | | | | |> +----------------------+>> +----------------------+> | | | | |> | | | Asc | |> | HL | Ket | | Mnd |> | | | BL | |> | | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | |> | Mer | | |> | | | GL |> | Glk | | |> | | | |> |-------------| N A V A M S A |-------------|> | | | |> | | | Mar |> | | | |> | | | Sun |> | | | |> |-------------|---------------------------|-------------|> | | | | |> | | JupR | Rah | |> | | | | Moo |> | | Sat | Ven | |> | | | | |> +----------------------+>>>>> OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html>>>OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html

February 11, 2001

Dear Narasimha, Sanjay and fellow students,

I investigated my marriage dates using the navamsa progression method.

(1) The first marriage happened on the 6th of September 1976 (religious ceremony) and because we forgot, the registration about a month or so later (Yes, we were rather scatterbrained. We decided to do the legal registration afterwards, and then forgot about it as a lot of things were happening. We remembered just before the licence expired, so we popped up to the registry and got a couple of witnesses off the street).

Progressed Sun on this date (calculated by adding 3.3333 degrees to natal position per year) is at 6-34 Leo. It trines venus and opposes vivaha saham. Venus is at 5 - 0 Aries and Vivaha Saham at 6-26 Aq. As Venus rules the 5th, it was a love marriage, and as venus also rules the 12th, there was a lot of secrecy associated with the relationship prior to the marriage.

In the progressed chart (cast for 23rd August 1953 when the sun is exactly at 6-26 Leo opposite the vivaha saham),

Venus is in near exact transit over the ascendant

Moon is exactly conjunct ruler of vivaha saham natal Rahu (moon also rules 7th house from moon)

Moon exact trine to dasa lord and 7th lord and lord of UL, natal Jupiter

also....

Jupiter is in exact conjunction with atmakaraka natal Mars (this is a slow transit and should be discounted as this would be true for a number of years)

Saturn (co ruler of vivaha saham) is in exact trine ascendant ruler natal Mercury who is also DK (this is a slow transit and should be discounted)

(2) The second marriage was on 8th February 1997 and was a registry only marriage and for reasons of visa matters etc. It took place in a country away from our normal residence and resulted in long term stay there. It was not taken seriously (as meaningful) by either of us as we had been living together for around 9 years at that time.

Progressed sun is at 14-39 Libra. This has no connection with any important point. However if I look at the date we bought a house together and moved in (initiated in May 1987 after we came back from a trip to India together) the progressed sun is at 12-22 Virgo. This trines natal Jupiter(UL and 7th lord) and Rahu(vivaha saham lord).

In the progressed chart cast for 29th September 1953 when sun is at 12-32 virgo exactly trine natal Jupiter,

moon is close to natal ascendant ruler and DK mercury (within 3 degrees, but as moon moves fast ...)

mercury(DK) is exactly on trine natal AK Mars

mercury(DK) is exactly on natal saturn - dasa lord, co ruler of vivaha saham

also though this is not strictly relevant

venus squares natal sun

This gives strong proof of the navamsa progressions we have learned.

However dasamsa progression tests do not show the same exactitude.

On the other hand, when I look at the date I started work in the IT industry, 20th March 1984, (though I would have resigned a month earlier), there is no connection with any important point. The only connection is to matru saham which has no such relevance. I do not think it is a matter for rectification since transit Jupiter was exactly trine paradesa saham when I left my country of birth for the first time. This would change drastically if the ascendant was moved to cancer. And it would also upset the navamsa progressions above.

In the progressed chart Jupiter (as 10th ruler) was conjunct mercury in the ascendant. But this is not extremely exact for timing. However, in the progressed chart, the progressed sun is exactly conjunct progressed mercury at 21-25 Leo (within 12 minutes) and would indicate the event well as Sun rules the 3rd, is in the 3rd and mercury is indicative of the communication industry and mercury rules Karma saham. But there is no connection to any of the relevant natal points such as karma saham, natal mercury, natal 10th ruler, natal ruler of A10 etc.

As this was a major move for me, and perhaps, in retrospect, the second most significant one, I find it hard to understand the lack of any connection.

And progressed sun for 20th Feb 1977 when I left for overseas, was at 0-11 Leo, exactly on mrityu saham and trine roga saham and vyapara saham. Not exactly relevant again. However, in the progressed chart, ruler of karma saham, mercury was conjunct natal ketu opposite 9th ruler natal rahu. And the sun also exactly trined the natal mid heaven.

Regards,

Nimmi Ragavan

-

Solai Kannan

varahamihira

Sunday, February 11, 2001 5:15 AM

[sri Guru] Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

JAYA JAGANNATHA

Pranam Gurudeva,

Please take care.

Yes. You are right, my marriage was totally arranged within the family and it was a typical Brahmna type marriage.

Thanks for the valuable point.

Your sisya

Solai Kannan

Sanjay Rath [srath]Saturday, February 10, 2001 9:01 PMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [sri Guru] Re: Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in JyotishDear narasimha,That was a slip. I have attempted replies even with 104 Deg temperature anda severe cracking headache that refuses to relent. What I meant was toconvert the degrees etc into days and take real positions for more accuracy.I agree with Lagna Lord having to do with Dharma and indicating a Brahmanatype marriage duly fixed as per the tradition of family/society. Venus isthe Kalatrakaraka and this is what I was emphasising.With Best WishesSanjay Rath-<pvr<varahamihira >Saturday, February 10, 2001 9:56 PM[sri Guru] Re: Query - LESSON 13: Using Progressions in Jyotish> Pranaam Gurudeva,>> > Dear Solai,> > What about Venus the Karaka? Please check the transit/progressed> Sun to> > this.> > Secondly, in progression, the actual accurate method is to check> the exact> > psition of the transit Sun on a particular date and time. The> calculations> > are an approximation.> > Take your birth date and time and add the progressed days to it. In> this> > case it is 26.91667> > or 26 days, 22 hours. Then check the exact degree of the Sun on the> date> > arrived at.>> Why 26 days 22 hours? Do you suggest using thrimsamsa based> progression to time marriage???>> You told me to use progressions based on D-9, D-10, D-12, D-24 etc> based on the matter and told me to use D-30 only for evils and> misfortunes. Why do you then suggest D-30 progression for marriage?>> I and Solai were trying to use navamsa based progression. Using it,> progressed Sun (5Aq23) was over natal lagna lord Saturn (5Aq18) and> in a trine from natal Venus (2Li04).>> In addition to being in a trine from Venus (within 3 deg), progressed> Sun is exactly at lagna lord Saturn's natal position. I thought lagna> lord is a very important planet giving prosperity in all matters and> when navamsa-progressed Sun touches him, marriage is a possibility> and explained it like that. Does it make sense?>> > Please report back.> > With Best Wishes> > Sanjay Rath>> Your sishya,> Narasimha>>>>> OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Info: varahamihira/info.html>>>OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.htmlOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraInfo: varahamihira/info.html