ekadasi and guru

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Gurudeva and members,

 

In connection with Ekadasi I have a question: what is the

difference betweek suddha Ekadasi and Mishra Ekadasi?

 

Yours, Gauranga das

 

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> Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah

>

> I was going through the descriptions of different Ekadasies and

only one that I found that

> specifically mentions removing negative karimic reactions from

false astrology was Apara

> Ekadasi. Since we all make mistakes and that Ekadasi comes

within the next couple of days I am

> posting its description. Basically ekadasis are followed by

abstaining from food from sunrise

> to sunrise and breaking the fast on the next day within a

specified time. There are variations

> so you can fast from water also and stay awake during the night

and worhip the Lord. Yet, I've

> read in the book that to get the full result of following the

ekadasi person must have faith in

> it, even though without faith also some result is there.

Jupiter can also gets cancellation of

> the debility. Jupiter represents piety and saturn impiety.

Saturs sthana of Capricorn

> debilitates Jupiter meaning not much piety around. I had some

thoughts over Jupiter so will

> share them here for purification of my understanding.

>

> Basically, 9h house is the house of Guru, Guru that gives

initiation(diksa guru) that is Guru

> that has achieved perfection in his learning process(being

sisya himself)(9h is 5th from 5th)

> and in Para Gyana associated with 5th house, that is after you

get accomplishement in Siksa

> related things then you are qualified to initiate others into

the same knowledge. 5th is 9th

> from 9th meaning that Guru gets his strenght from his previous

learning of Gyana and Para-Gyana

> he accomplished himself in. 1st is 5th from 9th representing

the person, guru's sisya. 12th is

> place of liberation for the individual and represents heart of

a guru (4th from the 9th) and

> also his compassion - as Jupiter gets exalted in the 4th(place

lorded by moon) and gets

> extremely compassionate and protective. (Also Pisces is most

commpasionate sign- and is 12th

> house in the natural zodiac).Without the good will and

blessings of a guru there is no real

> progress. That guru has overcome death. 8th is 12th from 9th

and represents blessings of guru's

> guru that to individual means he has overcome death and is

accomplished in mistic knowledge

> related to 8th house). He is a Sat Guru.

>

> Just some thoughts,

>

> yours sisya,

>

> Zavisa

>

>

> p.s. I will be offline soon again and I am just for the time

being following the list.

>

> p.s.s.(From GVS calendar times for breaking the fast for those

that want to follow Ekadasi

> Vrata)

> 29 May, Monday

> India, America, England, Holland-Fasting for Apara Ekadasi

> 30 May, Tuesday

> India-Break fast 3 hours 45 minutes after sunrise and within 25

minutes.

> America, England, Holland-Break fast after sunrise within 4

hours.

> Indonesia, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore-Fasting for Apara

Ekadasi

>

> 31 May, Wednesday

> Indonesia, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore-Break fast after

sunrise within 4

> hours.

>

> p.s.s.s.

> This is what we got recently from India after one mataji wrote

that she has many problems

> because she does not have the association with gurudeva. I

thought instructions interesting so

> am posting them here.

>

>

> ALL GLORY TO GURU AND GAURANGA

> ALL GLORY TO SRILA PRABHUPADA

>

> Lekcija Srila BV Puri Gosvami Maharaja o guru tattvi

>

> Veoma je tesko uvijek imati drustvo duhovnog ucitelja jer on

uvijek putuje, a ni mi nismo u

> materijalnoj situaciji koja to omogucuje.Guru je jedan - diksa

guru - i on je kvalificiran da

> nas vodi gore, a siksa gurua ima neizmjerno mnogo. Stalno

drustvo diksa gurua nije moguce.

> Trebamo shvatiti sto znaci surrender - predavanje.Oni koji su

uvijek posveceni guruu mogu se

> predati za jednu minutu, jedan sat, dva sata, toliko im je

dovoljno, a ostali mogu slusati

> godinama. Kada je guru prisutan, sve su sumnje razbristrene jer

on daje snaznu impresiju u

> srcu.

> Kako shvatiti duhovni zivot? Kako shvatiti gurua? Pravi smisao

moze se shvatiti samo harinamom.

> To je savjet i instrukcija koju je dao Mahaprabhu. Sto je vas

problem? Ne pjevate harinam - ne

> mantrate Sveto Ime - to je stvarni problem. Za nekoga tko ne

mantra, nema napretka u duhovnom

> zivotu. Ne moze se dati drugo rjesenje, to shvacanje je

individualno.

> Morate vidjeti sto doista zelite. Ako zelite poboljsati duhovnu

srecu, nama aparadha vam to

> nece dati. Dat ce vam samo materijalnu srecu, novac itd. Ako

doista radite harinam, onda nema

> sumnji, Krisna ce se razotkriti unutar vaseg srca.

> Ali tko doista radi harinam? Ne mnogi... Nitko ne radi harinam,

svi samo pitaju ali nitko ne

> slijedi odgovor. Kako mantrate? Vasi prsti se pomicu, vasa

vrecica za mantranje se pomice, vase

> usne se pomicu, vas jezik, ali vas um luta. Ne shvacate da

nemate kvalifikacije.

> Jedan ucitelj glazbe koji je imao glazbenu skolu imao je dvije

grupe ucenika. Oni koji nista

> nisu znali platili su jednu cijenu, ali oni koji su vec nesto

znali platili su dvostruku

> cijenu. Kada su ga pitali zasto treba platiti vise, usitelj je

rekao: " Vi samo mislite da nesto

> znate, a zapravo ste neznalice jer znate sve naopako i ja imam

dvostruki posao: da vas naucim

> da svirate i da vam pokazem da je vase prijasnje sviranje bez

koristi.

> Ali vi mislite da je guru madjionicar. Ne! Prvo pokazite zelju

i ozbiljnost. Kako je moguce da

> imate toliko sumnji? Sastre daju toliko milosti i ako slijedite

pravilno, kako mozete imati

> sumnje? Proces funkcionira - to je cinjenica - ali morate

slijediti, stoga, ako ne slijedite,

> ne kritizirajte proces, nemojte mislite da je guru kriv, to je

vasa nesreca, vasa pogreska. Ne

> krivite druge. Otidjite do Bozanstva Krisne i molite, molite,

molite, placite za milost i dobit

> cete blagoslov. Ako ste iskreni, Krisna ce vam ispuniti srce

radoscu.

> Osobno jamcim ako samo mantrate i nastavite s time cak i ako je

gorko, jamcim vam da cete biti

> uspjesni, postat cete sretni. Ako to doista radite, kako mozete

imati problem? Tada vise necete

> reci: Imam probleme.

> Ne! Ne, nema vise problema, onda idete na drugu platformu.

> Lijepo sjednite i samo mantrajte. Nemojte razgovarati s

drugima, ne prekidajte mantranje, samo

> mantrajte, zazivajte Boga, i radite to svaki dan. Jer svaki dan

spavate i pricate i idete ovamo

> ili onamo, tratite vrijeme i um sve to radi, a mantranje? Ako

to ne radite pravilno, ne pitajte

> zasto imate toliko problema. Nema name - nema uspijeha! Bez

mantranja nema uspjeha!

>

>

> Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah

>

> Notes from a lecture by BV Puri Goswami that I recieved in

Croatian and tried to translate.

>

>

> Its very hard to always have the association with a spiritual

master because he is constantly

> travelling and we are neither in material situation that allows

us that. Guru is one - diksa

> guru- and he is qualified to lead us forward, and there are

unlimitedly many siksa gurus.

> Permanent association with a diksa guru is impossible. We

should understand what means

> surrender. Those that are always devoted to guru can surrender

in a minute, an hour, two hours,

> that is enough, and others can listen for years. When guru is

present, all doubts are gone as

> he gives strong impression in the heart.

>

> How to understand spiritual life? How to understand the guru?

Real meaning can only be

> understood by harinama. That was the advice and instruction

given by Mahaprabhu. What is your

> problem? You don't chant harinam - you don't do japa of the

holy name - that is the real

> problem. For somebody who does not do japa there is no progress

in spiritual life. Another

> solution cannot be given, that understanding is individual.

>

> You should see what you really want. If you want to increase

your spiritual happiness, nama

> aparadha will not give that to you. It will only give material

happiness, money, etc. If you

> really do harinama Krishna will reveal himself within your

heart.

>

> But who really chants harinama? Not many... nobody does

harinam, all just ask but nobody

> follows the answer. How do you chant? Your fingers move, your

japa beadbag moves, your lips are

> moving, your tounge, but your mind wanders around. You don't

understand you don't have

> qualifications.

>

> One music teacher who had a music school had two groups of

students. Those that knew nothing

> payed one price, but those who already knew something payed

double price. When they asked him

> why they have to pay more, the teacher answered: " You only

think you know something, but

> actually you are ignorant as you know everything wrongly and I

have double job; to teach you

> how to play and to show you that your previous playing was

useless.

>

> But you think that guru is a magician. No! First show the

desire and sincerety. How is it

> possible that you have so many doubts? Sastras give so much

mercy and if you follow correctly,

> how can you have doubts? Process is functioning - that is a

fact - but you have to follow, so,

> if you don't follow don't blame the process, don't think it's

guru's fault, is your problem,

> your mistake. Don't blame others. Stand before the deity of

Krishna and pray, pray, cry for

> mercy and the blessings will come. If you are honest, Krishna

will fill your heart with

> hapiness.

>

> I personally guarantee you that if you just chant and continue

with it even if its bitter, I

> guarantee you that you will have success, you will reach

happiness. If you really do that then,

> how can you have problems? Then you will not say : " I have

problems " . No! No more problems. You

> then go on to another platform.

>

> Simply sit and just chant. Don't speak with others, don't

interrupt the chanting, just chant,

> call the Lord, and do that every day. Because every day you

sleep and talk and go here and

> there, waste your time, and your mind does that, but what about

the chanting? If you don't do

> the japa propery, then don't ask why you have so many problems.

No namam - no sucess! No

> chanting no sucess!

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Zavisa,

The Sun is in Taurus and the Rishi associated with this is ATRI...

Best Wishes,

Sanjay Rath

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Zavisa Nikac <zavisa.nikac

<varahamihira >

Friday, May 26, 2000 0504 SJVC

[sri Guru] ekadasi and guru

 

 

> Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah

>

> I was going through the descriptions of different Ekadasies and only one

that I found that

> specifically mentions removing negative karimic reactions from false

astrology was Apara

> Ekadasi. Since we all make mistakes and that Ekadasi comes within the next

couple of days I am

> posting its description. Basically ekadasis are followed by abstaining

from food from sunrise

> to sunrise and breaking the fast on the next day within a specified time.

There are variations

> so you can fast from water also and stay awake during the night and worhip

the Lord. Yet, I've

> read in the book that to get the full result of following the ekadasi

person must have faith in

> it, even though without faith also some result is there. Jupiter can also

gets cancellation of

> the debility. Jupiter represents piety and saturn impiety. Saturs sthana

of Capricorn

> debilitates Jupiter meaning not much piety around. I had some thoughts

over Jupiter so will

> share them here for purification of my understanding.

[Guest guest]

On 26 May 2000, at 14:16, Gauranga Das wrote:

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear Gurudeva and members,

>

> In connection with Ekadasi I have a question: what is the

> difference betweek suddha Ekadasi and Mishra Ekadasi?

>

> Yours, Gauranga das

>

 

Sri Sri Guru Gauranga Jayatah

 

Days start with sunrise. So if there is ekadasi during the sunrise

that whole day is taken as Ekadasi. Nevertheless, if there is a part

of Dasami within Arunodhaya, that is 4 Ghatikas before

sunrise(you can equal it to starting of Brahma Muhurta) then that

day is not Suddha Ekadasi, rather Misra Ekadasi, and fasting

should be done on the next day.

 

There are many other things connected with calendar and best

calculations are done by Narayana Maharaja's group(because they

follow Hari Bhakti Vilasa to the minutest detail) so when there are

differences I take theirs opinion but I can not get to their

astrologers to explain me other details.

 

Are you aware of some translation of Hari-Bhakti-Vilasa? I heard

that Iskcon group has published it in Denmark or somewhere in

that part of the world? Was told that by one bhakta but did not

really check it.

 

Zavisa

[Guest guest]

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Zavisa,

 

Namaste.

 

> Days start with sunrise. So if there is ekadasi during the

sunrise

> that whole day is taken as Ekadasi. Nevertheless, if there is a

part

> of Dasami within Arunodhaya, that is 4 Ghatikas before

> sunrise(you can equal it to starting of Brahma Muhurta) then

that

> day is not Suddha Ekadasi, rather Misra Ekadasi, and fasting

> should be done on the next day.

 

So if Ekadasi already started 4 ghatis before sunrise then it's

suddha, otherwise mishra?

 

> There are many other things connected with calendar and best

> calculations are done by Narayana Maharaja's group(because they

> follow Hari Bhakti Vilasa to the minutest detail) so when there

are

> differences I take theirs opinion but I can not get to their

> astrologers to explain me other details.

 

Do they have a software for this? I'd like to have a program for

correct Panchanga calculations for ages. You know, one that

calculates the beginning of tithi, yoga, vaar, karana and teh

Moon's entering the nakshatra for any given period of time and

place. Are you aware of such a program?

 

> Are you aware of some translation of Hari-Bhakti-Vilasa? I

heard

> that Iskcon group has published it in Denmark or somewhere in

> that part of the world? Was told that by one bhakta but did not

> really check it.

 

Well, my Guru Maharaja said to have it, but I have never really

seen it. I'm looking for it myself. But as far as I know,

Kushakratha prabhu has translated it. You or anyone who goes to

Vrindavan may find this out from him.

 

And another question: how is the period for breaking the fast

determined?

 

Yours, Gauranga das

[Guest guest]

On 27 May 2000, at 20:38, Gauranga Das wrote:

 

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

 

Jay Jagannatha,

 

 

> Dear Zavisa,

>

> Namaste.

>

> > Days start with sunrise. So if there is ekadasi during the

> sunrise

> > that whole day is taken as Ekadasi. Nevertheless, if there is a

> part

> > of Dasami within Arunodhaya, that is 4 Ghatikas before

> > sunrise(you can equal it to starting of Brahma Muhurta) then

> that

> > day is not Suddha Ekadasi, rather Misra Ekadasi, and fasting

> > should be done on the next day.

>

> So if Ekadasi already started 4 ghatis before sunrise then it's

> suddha, otherwise mishra?

>

 

That's how I understood it.

 

 

> > There are many other things connected with calendar and best

> > calculations are done by Narayana Maharaja's group(because they

> > follow Hari Bhakti Vilasa to the minutest detail) so when there

> are

> > differences I take theirs opinion but I can not get to their

> > astrologers to explain me other details.

>

> Do they have a software for this? I'd like to have a program for

> correct Panchanga calculations for ages. You know, one that

> calculates the beginning of tithi, yoga, vaar, karana and teh

> Moon's entering the nakshatra for any given period of time and

> place. Are you aware of such a program?

>

 

They hand calculate it.

 

> And another question: how is the period for breaking the fast

> determined?

>

 

I've been thinking over these questions for quite some time. Did not

have anybody to ask. Thought of asking Sanjay but did not want to

interrupt the general learning process in the group as this may

prove to be too extensive for a simple question. Nevertheless if he

wishes to explain it I would really look forward to it.

 

One mataji from Narayana M., R.dd, offered me to comunicate on e-

mail with some astrologer that's with NM, but I had to refuse as

that mataji does not understand computers very well, and he is not

the one that makes calendars, and I'd rather do this personally

than over the e-mail, especially since I don't know the bhakta, and

it seems I would have to use NM's e-mail. :-) Quite impossible.

On the other hand, I also know that NM does not endorse

astrology, hatha yoga and similar things (but is rather strict for his

disciples(closer ones) not to wear precious stones and indulge in

hatha-yoga.

But NM is in a same way strict to have a completely correct

calendar, and I would like to comunicate with them.

 

 

If you want my speculations, I've been going through these times

and experimenting and what I came up with was that break fast is

within 1st sandhya of the day(when you break the time from

sunrise to sunset by three-in the first one), that sometimes has to

be broken before in case trayodasi falls within the ending of the

time. However I could not find out why it should be broken

afterwards for example for Apara Ekadasi in Zagreb break fast time

is from 5:58-9:19 - yet sunrise is in 4:14 without consideration of

Daylight savings time - why is that, I cannot speculate it out, and

would rather like that somebody gives an explanation over this, and

till that happens I follow either Iskcon freeware program or Holland

time on GVC calendar.

 

You probably know of Shayamasundara's freeware program. If you

don't have it you can download it from

http://www.iskcon.org/calendar/

 

ys,

Zavisa

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Yours, Gauranga das

>