[Jagannath] Thoughts on shad-darsanas (Mercury and Jupiter)

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Namaste Sanjay,

 

I know its been a while since you posted this, I have few things to say.

 

" sanjay rath " <varahamihir- wrote:

original article:varahamihira/?start=395

> JAYA JAGANNATH

> Dear Narayana,

> Very good points. Narasimha has also written in a similar vein.

So, now

> we are all agreeing to the differential between Jupiter and Mercury in

> Understanding and Reasoning. However, the differential between

Mercury and

> Mars is still blurred in what constitutes LOGIC. Another point that

seems to

> have been clarified is the definition of intelligence as used in the

english

> language in that the TWO Planets Jupiter and Mercury constitute the

superior

> intelligence of Mankind as they rule the Power to understand and the

power

> to reason respectively. However, intelligence has the overlorship

> (Praty-adhidevata) of Jupiter and the Lordship (Adhi Devata) of the

Sun.

> While you have given the definiton of LOGIC as scientific

reasoning and

> have also given the fine example of a dynamic enpreneur/ manager, the

> arguments are inconclusive. LOGIC IS SCIENTIFIC REASONING ONLY.

However,

> reasoning is more than SCIENTIFIC REASONING and includes the scope of

> UNSCIENTIFIC reasoning like that of an artist. Reasoning has

MANAGEMENT as

> its objective which includes LOGIC, sixth sense, aptitude and learned

skills

> as well. These other aspects are more important to Mercury. Something

like

> the Simonian decision-making model of bounded rationality. Thus,

LOGIC is

> BOUNDED RATIONALITY while MANAGEMENT in the higher levels is

UNBOUNDED as

> the businessman gropes in the darkness for more knowledge or more

options

> not explored earlier. Thus there results a serious difference in the

minds

> of MERCURY who keeps the MIND OPEN and that of MARS who keeps the MIND

> CLOSED.

 

I agree that Mercury keeps an *OPEN MIND* and that *MARS* keeps a

closed mind.

But where I disagree is definition of LOGIC as bounded rationality.

 

The way I see it is dependent on the working of the brain.

Brain stores ideas/facts in memory. Later it retrieves it and utilizes

it in whichever way seems fit to it.

 

Logic is moving sequentially from one fact to another by way of forming

relationship between two separate pieces of facts.

 

Mars has a tendency to jump randomly or sometimes not to jump but sit

on one fact and jump to conclusion.

 

So Mars is that form of Logic which has bounded Rationality

 

whereas

 

Mercury is in the form of MANAGEMENT which is unbounded or tries to

search every nook & cranny.

 

 

> This is also seen in the professions related to the planets where

> persons in the Army or police are required to get into action and not

to

> think whereas those in business or any form of learning have to keep

> studying and groping in the dark for those pearls of wisdom.

>

> Hare Krishna

> Sanjay Rath

 

 

Thanks

Regards

Narayan

 

 

 

> -

> <narayaniyer

> <varahamihira >

> Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:15 AM

> Re: Thoughts on shad-darsanas (Mercury and

Jupiter)

>

>

> > Pranaams Sanjay, Narasimha, Members,

> >

> > Here are my thoughts, based on what little I know.

> >

> > " sanjay rath " <varahamihir- wrote:

> > original article:varahamihira/?start=3

72

> > > JAYA JAGANNATH

> > > Dear Narasimha,

> > > Pointwise replies to your analysis:

> > > 1. I think I had agreed with that Uttara Mimamsa point, but

used

> > the

> > > terminology that is easier to differentiate (Vedanta). We are

saying

> > the

> > > same thing out there. You were NOT WRONG, but have the typical

> > Mercurial

> > > trait of fluctuation (that is why you gave both the options for

> > Saankhya and

> > > Vaiseshika) which you end very abruptly as it is placed in a

Martian

> > sign in

> > > your chart. The level of reasoning is very high due to the

> > > DharmaKarmadhipati Yoga (It gives the highest level of

Understanding

> > and

> > > Reason). You can get a list of the other Mahapurusha who were

born in

> > this

> > > Yoga from BPHS and other texts. (An open question here: Do the

> > Mahapurusha

> > > Yoga need to be strengthened with the ninth and fourth lord in

> > addition to

> > > the Sun and Moon?)

> > > 2. The Mayan or Maya's people always worshipped Venus and would

> > plan

> > > their war strategy when venus would be sighted as the Morning Star

> > (Fact of

> > > History). Strange, but it is a hard fact of life that Asura Guru

> > Venus is

> > > the Chief Propounder of the Mayavadi Vaisheshika. Similarly, the

Moon

> > rules

> > > Saankhya Shastra.

> > > 3. Is it so Narasimha? Think for a minute. Where does this

> > Universe end?

> > > Where does it start? Why was it created and by Whom? Is there a

link

> > between

> > > understanding Godhead and the limits to our intelligence? It is

from

> > the

> > > " Darshanas " that we get the " Dristi " of different roads that lead

to

> > Him.

> > > For example, Vedanta shows the path of Gyaana Yoga, Saankhya

leads to

> > Karma

> > > yoga as can be clearly seen in the Srimad Bhagavat Gita where,

> > Bhagavan Sri

> > > Krishna uses this foundation to urge Arjuna to become a Karma

Yogi.

> > > Kapila's Saankhya Shastra is at a basic level and its final level

of

> > > development is in the Gita.

> > > 4. Each of these Darshana have a foundation or hypothesis

which is

> > > typical of the nature of the planet. I will use the example of

Nyaya

> > which

> > > is under discussion. Let us see how Mars rules LOGIC.

> > > After the Pandavas and Kauravas had finished their studies and

> > were

> > > presented in the court to Dhritarashtra, Vidura put them to a

test.

> > Four

> > > persons, a Brahmana, a Kshatriya, a Vaishya and a Sudra had got

> > together and

> > > murdered a man. The young princes were asked to advise the King

on the

> > > punishment to be given. The Kauravas were dumb struck but

Duryodhana

> > came

> > > out with his LOGIC of EQUALITY (which, unfortunately, has become

the

> > > foundation stone of modern-day Judicial systems! What else can we

> > expect in

> > > this Kali Yuga) and declared that since the motive was the same of

> > all the

> > > four and thier crime was the same, hence the punishment should

also

> > be the

> > > same. Finally Dharmaraja Putra Yudhisthira gave the perfect

answer:

> > Merely

> > > beacuse the motive or the extent of crime was the same, we cannot

say

> > that

> > > the punishment should be the same. (The Sudra is completely

unaware

> > and

> > > ignorant of social norms and his knowledge is at the rock bottom.

Do

> > we

> > > punish an animal for killing another?) Hence, he deserves

compassion

> > and

> > > should be forgiven. The Vaishya does know more, but is deep in

Tamas

> > and

> > > should be punished with a heavy fine. The Rajasik Kshatriya was

> > supposed to

> > > control his passion and needs to be imprisoned in order to learn

to

> > control

> > > himself. But the all knowledgable Brahmana deserves the death

> > sentence.

> > > What Duryadhana was preaching is the foundation of Nyaya

Shastra

> > or

> > > Logic that is typical of Mars. All the modern day revolutions

like the

> > > French revolution are a typical example of the poor people

> > > (Saturn/Capricorn) coming under the influence of Mars. These are

> > normally

> > > very violent and a lot of bloodshed and wanton killing follows.

Nyaya

> > is

> > > supposed to be established!!! We cannot attribute this to the

peaceful

> > > Mercury that preaches Ahimsa. India is the first modern day nation

> > that has

> > > achieved its independance by following this path of Ahimsa under

the

> > > leadership of Mahatma Gandhi. Unfortunately, the post 1945

> > developments show

> > > that the effect of Kali Yuga was to be felt in this sub-continent

> > also and

> > > bloodshed occured during the partition and the resultant is a

typical

> > > Western Judicail system that is struggling to fit into the Indian

way

> > of

> > > life. One thing I am proud of is that here also India showed that

the

> > path

> > > of Dharma is much higher than the path of Nyaya and for Nyaya

(Mars)

> > to

> > > become relevant as a means of salvation, it cannot be divorced

from

> > Dharma

> > > (Sun). Hanumanji(Mars) had no strength and was defeated by Bali

and

> > hiding

> > > in the jungles till He met Sri Ram (Sun).

> >

> > The logic used by Duryodhana was not a considered opinion. It was

> > impulsive and he must not have taken all relevant data into account

> > which is typical of Mars. IF I am not mistaken, Duryodhana must

either

> > have a weak Mercury or that his Mars must have a strong influence on

> > Mercury.

> >

> > But Mercury Still rules intellect.

> > By definition in Oxford Dictionary Logic is the Science of

Reasoning.

> >

> > > Thus, we can infer that Mercury has a mush higher power of

> > reasoning

> > > than that of Mars, but does not rule the FIERY knowledge of NYAYA

> > (LOGIC)

> > > which is primarily the forte of Mars. Logic does not necessarily

imply

> > > reasoning or being reasonable.

> >

> > Mars adds fire/spirit to the intellect provided by Mercury. But

> > domination of Mars is bad.

> >

> > > Logic says " a cat has four legs and a Dog has

> > > four legs and hence a Cat is the same as a Dog " .

> >

> > In this example, all the relevant data is not provided, hence Mars,

> > impulsive that he is, will rush to conclusion.

> >

> > Nowadays in KaliYuga, we have *entrepreuners* who are labelled as

> > risk-takers, who go for the kill, so to speak, do not do too much

> > thinking, *Just Do it* kind of policy, who are being admired for

their

> > daringness, all these things are denoted by Mars.

> >

> >

> > >The reasoning of Mercury

> > > rejects this as being " UNREASONED DECISION " . In fact a reasonable

> > person is

> > > one who also compromises with the situation and takes a balanced

view

> > of

> > > things. Thus a reasonable person finds it most naive to get into a

> > fight and

> > > is also the best businessman (Mercury). Logic always works under a

> > limited

> > > scope whereas Reasoning has an open door policy and does not

accept

> > any

> > > limits. That is why a Logical Mars can arrive at quick decisions

> > (Seemingly!

> > > as these are generally very bounded like 2 Plus 2 equals four)

while a

> > > Reasonable Mercury is viewed as fluctuating as he continues to

reason

> > in

> > > greated depth.

> >

> >

> > > The two highest gifts of the DHI SHAKTI to Human beings are

(1)

> > THE

> > > POWER TO UNDERSTAND and (2) THE POWER TO REASON. These are ruled

by

> > Jupiter

> > > and Mercury respectively called VEERYAKOTI PRINCIPLE in Jyotish (

I

> > hope I

> > > have got this name right..please check Brihat Jataka of

Varahamihira).

> > > Further, we can also argue that understanding or reasoning is also

> > > application of Logic, but this is not true in the strictest sense.

> > These

> > > require a much higher level of intelligence and intuition as well

as

> > a much

> > > greater depth of vision than what is envisaged under LOGIC.

> >

> > The difference I see between Jupiter & Mercury is that Jupiter

provides

> > us with *awareness* & much deeper understanding than Mercury.

> >

> > For example with our intellect( logic etc ) which is represented by

> > Mercury, we understand Philosophy(Geeta, Ramayana ) about concepts

like

> > ego and Vasanas etc. Many people read it and understand it.

> >

> > But how many people understand it *emotionally*. There is a

difference

> > between understanding a concept as an *idea*(Mercury) and

understanding

> > as *facts* which means you truly see the fact of it. This factor

> > differentiates between ordinary people & Mahatmas.

> >

> >

> > > Hare Krishna

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > P.S.

> > > 1. Narasimha, can we also work towards understanding the Saankhya

> > Shastra on

> > > the basis of Jyotish. This will be the culmination of our

discussion

> > on the

> > > Mahapurusha Yoga.

> > > 2. Narayana, I hope to see your contribution on this.

> >

> > Just my 2 cents.

> >

> > Regards

> > Narayan

>

>