[Jagannath] Narasimha's D-60 etc (Sanjay's deities)

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Pranaam Sanjay,

 

> Hamsa Om So'ham

> Dear Narasimha,

> I was also outside the delivery room for my daughters birth and

knew

> this event many months in advance, yet the time that I recorded when

my

> Mother-In-Law came rushing out of the room (Immediately on delivery)

and

> that given by the Doctor were 5 minutes apart.

 

I say forget the time given by the doctor. They don't

necessarily have an accurate clock and they don't

necessarily bother about the accuracy of the time noted.

 

When my children were born US, I was *inside* the delivery

room (not outside) and noted the time as per various

definitions very carefully (I had adjusted the clock very

accurately in advance and the error can't be more than a

few seconds). Still, the times noted by doctors in the

birth certificates were wrong by 1 and 1.5 minutes! And, we

are talking about a highly advanced US hospital in late

1990's! So forget doctor's time. They do not give it the

same importance you and I do.

 

To answer Narayan's comment, my father adjusted the time in

his clock based on the time announced on AIR a few days

back and checked everyday from then to make sure. In those

days, that was the only source of correct time and AIR time

was accurate upto half a minute.

 

My father had already taken the time a little before the

first cry time. My father insists that Aries navamsa is

simply impossible.

 

> > He said navamsa lagna in Taurus gives me some orientation towards

> > aesthetic things and pleasures.

> RATH :Any influence of Venus will give this.

 

Yes, but this orientation towards aesthetic things is a

*salient* feature of my personality. Even as I think deeply

about the difference between Jupiter in 8th and 9th in

navamsa, I appreciate some music and some part of my body

taps to the music involuntarily. Right now, I am listening

to some music as I type this. The sense of aesthetic

well-being is a salient part of me.

 

Venus being lagna lord and occupying 2nd (house of general

taste) with Moon explains it better than Venus merely

aspecting lagna lord. Venusian and lunar influence on lagna

will be very small if I have Ar lagna.

 

> Jupiter rules one's dheesakti

> > (intelligence) and how one understands, perceives and approaches

> > the universe. His navamsa placement is very important. Jupiter in

> > Rahu's constellation and in the 8th house in navamsa gives

> > " nigoodha tattva jijnaasa " (desire to understand deep secrets and

> > hidden things) and aspect of such Jupiter on Moon in rasi and

> > navamsa suggests a mindset tuned towards that (mindset ruled by

> > intelligence that wants to uncover the hidden).

> RATH: THEN IN WHICH HOUSE WILL JUPITER PRODUCE A FOOL? BEING IN A

 

Jupiter in 8th may produce a fool, but he is in his

moolatrikona here. In D-27, he is with Mercury in a

Mercurian sign. In D-24, he is in Pisces. Considering all

these, Jupiter in 8th in D-9 did not make me a fool and

only tuned my " dhee " in the direction of the hidden.

 

In any case, one who ignores what is in his front and keeps

searching for hidden things is a fool in a sense!

 

If Jupiter in Sg is in 9th in D-9, it is unlikely to give

such " nigoodha tattva jijnasa " (the expression my father

used catches my spirit so well!) and one's intelligence is

likely to have the spirit of *conforming* and one will be

an obedient and conforming learner (which I am not). Even

as I respect my guru and his teachings, I always tend to

think that something is missing and I am always searching

for it. This makes excellent sense with Jupiter in 8th in

D-9. Jupiter in 9th may not give that spirit. I doubt it.

 

So, in a sense, I am a fool. But Jupiter's positive

strength in some divisions makes me a fool with a purpose.

 

> CONSTELLATION OF RAHU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NAVAMSA HOUSE

PLACEMENT. IN

 

No, I did not say there is a link. But both together

beautifully explain the direction in which my " dhee " is

tuned. I find my father's point very fascinating.

 

> FACT IF JUPITER IS IN THE NINTH HOUSE IN THE NAVAMSA THE NATIVE SHALL

> RESPECT HIS GURU AND SHALL BE MOST DUTIFUL TOWARDS THEM. DR RAMAN

NEVER

> TAUGHT YOU JYOTISH PERSONALLY. JUST BECAUSE YOU READ HIS BOOKS, LIKE

> EKALAVYA YOU BECAME DEVOTED TO HIM AND HAVE EVEN TAKEN UP CUDGELS

AGAINST K

> N RAO WHEN HE SPOKE ILL OF DR RAMAN. THEY WAY YOU DEFENDED DR RAMAN

SPEAKS

> VOLUMES AND I HAD COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT GURU SHOULD BE VERY

STRONG

> INFLUENCE IN YOUR DHARMA. THAT IS WHY I ALWAYS FELT THAT YOUR NAVAMSA

SHOULD

 

That point has some strength in it. However, there were

many occasions in the past when I confronted my guru in

public over disagreements. I wasn't really an obedient

sishya in the true sense.

 

It is true that I tend to behave like a warrior when one

does something adharmik (in my view). Sri K.N.Rao made some

cheap allegations on Dr. Raman in his books and that made

me mad. However, if someone politely says that Raman

ayanamsa is wrong, I will only say " I agree " .

 

Why Dr. Raman, let's take you. I always make my respect for

you known, but did I take your side when I was convinced

otherwise? For example, you talked about " the very strong

character of my friend " Goravani and forwarded to

vedic astrology list his mail in which he banned Chandra

Hari on GJlist. That suggested to me that you wanted me to

do the same thing on vedic astrology list. Did I do it?

First, when Chandra Hari abused you, I gently admonished

him. Later, as you crossed swords with him and deviated to

unnecessary things (tantrik, serpant's poison etc), did I

take your side?

 

I don't think I am an obedient sishya who would always

obey and protect his guru.

 

Jupiter need not be in 9th to give a good sense of dharma.

Dharma karaka Sun in 9th in D-9 also gives a good sense of

dharma.

 

D-27 (Bhamsa or Nakshatramsa) is the chart of strengths and

weaknesses. Fiery Mars in his moolatrikona (fiery Aries)

occupies the 9th house (dharma) in my D-27 (with the middle

one-third of Taurus navamsa). That gives me an adament,

independent and warrior-like spirit of dharma. Each of the

three adjectives I used is absolutely appropriate when

describing my sense of dharma.

 

> RATH: I CANNOT ACCEPT THAT IN YOUR HOROSCOPE. YOU CANNOT HAVE VENUS

IN THE

> SECOND HOUSE ASPECTED BY MARS. THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC COMBINATION

FOR A

> CHARACTERLESS PERSON (WOMANIZER TO BE PRECISE). THE CONJUNCTION OF

MOON AND

> JUPITER DOES NOT REDUCE THIS, BUT ONLY INCREASES IT. IN VIEW OF THE

ABOVE,

> THE NAVAMSA LAGNA CANNOT BE TAURUS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.

 

We are a mixture of who our horoscope says we are, who we

strive to be and who our upasana makes us to be.

 

Venus in 2nd with Martian aspect creates too much passion

and it could be said to be true in my case. You said Moon

and Jupiter increase it. But Jupiter is the strongest of

the 4 planets there and can't he suppress the passion with

upasana?

 

My father told me at a young age that I would either become

an unprincipled and perverted person addicted to alcohol

and such things or a very spiritual person of extraordinary

achievements. He told me one of the two extremes would

take place.

 

He told me that Jupiter has a very strong influence on the

whole rasi chart and on the whole navamsa chart and he told

me to capture that influence with upasana. Because he is in

Swathi, Jupiter will become very favorable with upasana and

he is the only one who can steer my life in the right

direction through the considerable influence he has in my

rasi and navamsa charts. This was my father's instruction

and he made me start my upasana at a young age. All that

upasana surely had its effect and channelled the Jovian

influence in my rasi and navamsa charts.

 

> > Aesthetic awareness and the previously mentioned mindset coexist

> > in me. It is tough to translate what he said in Telugu into

> > English, but whatever he said made excellent sense and described

> > my personality very well.

> RATH: DUE RESPECTS TO YOUR FATHER, I CANNOT BUT ADMIRE HIM. YOU WILL

RECALL

> HOW I HAD AGREED WITH HIM ABOUT TIMING OF YOUR BROTHERS MARRIAGE WHEN

> JUPITER TRANSITS PISCES. PLEASE CONVEY MY REGARDS TO HIM.

 

I will.

 

> > As far as the length of marriage is concerned, my father did not

> > agree that navamsa lagna in Ta shows a short marriage. He said:

> > " The 7th lord Jupiter is in 2nd in rasi and that is enough. Even

> > in navamsa, Jupiter is in own house and influences several key

> > planets powerfully. So what is the problem? "

> RATH: THAT IS THE RASI CHART. HERE WE ARE CORRECTING THE NAVAMSA. THE

 

Well, I mentioned my father's statement in the context of

your statement " if navamsa lagna is Ta, I will not give

more than 3 years to the marriage. "

 

> POSITION DOES NOT CHANGE AS THE LAGNA IN THE RASI CHART DOES NOT

CHANGE, BUT

> THE PLACEMENT OF THIS SEVENTH LORD IN A KENDRA OR TRIKONA ONLY

ENHANCES THE

> BEAUTY OF THE YOGA WHEREAS ITS PLACEMENT IN A DUSTHANA IN THE NAVAMSA

IS

> EVIL FOR THE SEVENTH HOUSE. THIS IS A BASIC PRINCIPLE OF JYOTISH FOR

> STUDYING THE NAVAMSA.

 

Yes and I have already indicated that my marital life

wasn't smooth at all in the last 3-4 years.

 

> Om Tat Sat

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

 

* * *

 

> What is the real implication of the seventh Lord of Rasi Chart

being

> placed in the 8th house in Navamsa. Will Jupiter be in the 8th house

in the

> Navamsa? Then which planet gave you the knowledge of Sanskrit?

 

Jupiter.

 

D-24 is the chart of education. In my D-24, Jupiter is very

strong in Pisces. He aspects the lagna and 4th house and

that gave me knowledge of Sanskrit at a young age.

 

Whenever I get recognition for my knowledge (state first, a

request for interview, class first at IIT etc), Li, Ge and

Aq are involved in Narayana dasa. With Ge lagna, lord of Ge

is in 5th (Li). AL is in Aq and Ge is the 5th from AL (and

Li has the 5th lord from AL).

 

My main strength in life has been the ability to learn and

grasp things very quickly. D-24 lagna lord Mercury in 5th

fits well IMHO. If you change navamsa lagna, D-24 lagna

changes from Ge to Ta.

 

D-20 lagna also changes if we change D-9 lagna to Ar. With

the current Ta lagna in D-20, Mercury is in 2nd in own

house and lagna lord Venus is debilitated in 5th, aspected

by Mercury. My family deity is Narayana (Mercury). My ishta

daiva are Sri Maha Lakshmi (debilitated planet: goddess and

Venus: Lakshmi) and Narayana.

 

> How much does the time have to move for the Lagna to be (A) Aries

and

> (B) Gemini?

 

To make it Ge, we need to add 7 min 25 sec. To make it Ar,

we need to subtract 6 min 22 sec.

 

Your sishya,

Narasimha