Guest guest Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rajarshi, As with most yogas they come in various levels of potency. Are they occuring in Rashi or Navamsa ? The more conditions are filled that yoga has more potency. also to consider is And does the chart show other combinations suggesting/confirming asceticism? Sanjay, Visti and others have written on the charts of many renunciates, please try and read those articles. There is a big difference between someone locked into poverty,hardship, someone who works hard all day, and gives the result of all his activties to his/her children and relatives, never experiencing a vacation, nor enjoyment of his toils/ and what about someone who comes from kings and renounces everything, and is sannyas,etc. You have to look carefully at the chart and see the various influences/ Saturn can give a mood of renunciation due to various pains and suffering, sometimes a person has a choice, go crazy from intolerable grief, suffering, frustration, suppression, or become spiritual and not bound by material laws. Saturn can give ability to preform austerity, be regular. A good saturn can give dicipline, and be consciencious. Saturns influence, or through suffering/denial one also can develop compassion for others, having walked in the same shoes. And then there are some sannyasis who call themselves "swamis " who live like kings.... See Robert Kochs book, or look for some of his posts on this topic in the previous years.Im including on paper of his . Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:33 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste EveryoneWhile reading about renunciation yogas from BPHS, I came across the following line:If Moon be in the decanate of Saturn, or in the Navams of Saturn, or Mars and be aspected by Saturn, the native becomes an ascetic and enters the holy order, signified by Saturn. Now, does this mean that moon should be in decanate of saturn and aspected by saturn in the drekkan chart for a chart to have the renunciation yoga? Or only the presence of moon in saturn's drekkan is enough?My confusion arises because of the phrase "and aspected by saturn", is that part applicable only for when moon is in mars navamsa? Or for all the three cases, that is moon in saturn drekkan or moon in saturn navamsa.-RegardsRajarshi 1 of 1 File(s) Suffering of Spiritual Renunciates - 2005 SJC conference.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 , Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote: > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Rajarshi, > As with most yogas they come in various levels of potency. Are they occuring in Rashi or Navamsa ? > The more conditions are filled that yoga has more potency. > also to consider is > And does the chart show other combinations suggesting/confirming asceticism? > Sanjay, Visti and others have written on the charts of many renunciates, please try and read those articles. > There is a big difference between someone locked into poverty,hardship, > someone who works hard all day, and gives the result of all his activties to his/her children and relatives, never experiencing a vacation, nor enjoyment of his toils/ > > and what about someone who comes from kings and renounces everything, and is sannyas,etc. > You have to look carefully at the chart and see the various influences/ > Saturn can give a mood of renunciation due to various pains and suffering, > sometimes a person has a choice, go crazy from intolerable grief, suffering, frustration, suppression, or become spiritual and not bound by material laws. > Saturn can give ability to preform austerity, be regular. A good saturn can give dicipline, and be consciencious. > Saturns influence, or through suffering/denial one also can develop compassion for others, having walked in the same shoes. > > > And then there are some sannyasis who call themselves " swamis " who live like kings.... > See Robert Kochs book, or look for some of his posts on this topic in the previous years.Im including on paper of his . > Best wishes > Lakshmi > > > > > > ________________________________ > rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 > > Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:33 AM > [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga > > > > > > Namaste Everyone > > While reading about renunciation yogas from BPHS, I came across the following line: > > If Moon be in the decanate of Saturn, or in the Navams of Saturn, or Mars and be aspected by Saturn, the native becomes an ascetic and enters the holy order, signified by Saturn. > > Now, does this mean that moon should be in decanate of saturn and aspected by saturn in the drekkan chart for a chart to have the renunciation yoga? Or only the presence of moon in saturn's drekkan is enough? > > My confusion arises because of the phrase " and aspected by saturn " , is that part applicable only for when moon is in mars navamsa? Or for all the three cases, that is moon in saturn drekkan or moon in saturn navamsa. > > -Regards > Rajarshi > Namaskaram dear friends, I red your artical about 'yoga' which they accured by our karma, well can you please explain me what is 'Brahma yoga' ? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Dear Rajarshi, In olden times as now there were several type of sanyasi. Chakradhar was one of them. Varahimar in his classic Brihat jatak has described Ten type about and indicated how to judge there type. Kindly read them there . With best wishes. Rcs. On Behalf Of rajarshi nandy Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PM Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste I had one more question on this topic. In the BPHS it says if someone has Shukra as the leading planet in a 4 planet combination of parivrajak yoga, then he/she becomes a sanyasi with a chakra. What does this " chakradhara " mean? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga [1 Attachment] Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 1:56 AM Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rajarshi, As with most yogas they come in various levels of potency. Are they occuring in Rashi or Navamsa ? The more conditions are filled that yoga has more potency. also to consider is And does the chart show other combinations suggesting/confirmi ng asceticism? Sanjay, Visti and others have written on the charts of many renunciates, please try and read those articles. There is a big difference between someone locked into poverty,hardship, someone who works hard all day, and gives the result of all his activties to his/her children and relatives, never experiencing a vacation, nor enjoyment of his toils/ and what about someone who comes from kings and renounces everything, and is sannyas,etc. You have to look carefully at the chart and see the various influences/ Saturn can give a mood of renunciation due to various pains and suffering, sometimes a person has a choice, go crazy from intolerable grief, suffering, frustration, suppression, or become spiritual and not bound by material laws. Saturn can give ability to preform austerity, be regular. A good saturn can give dicipline, and be consciencious. Saturns influence, or through suffering/denial one also can develop compassion for others, having walked in the same shoes. And then there are some sannyasis who call themselves " swamis " who live like kings.... See Robert Kochs book, or look for some of his posts on this topic in the previous years.Im including on paper of his . Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:33 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste Everyone While reading about renunciation yogas from BPHS, I came across the following line: If Moon be in the decanate of Saturn, or in the Navams of Saturn, or Mars and be aspected by Saturn, the native becomes an ascetic and enters the holy order, signified by Saturn. Now, does this mean that moon should be in decanate of saturn and aspected by saturn in the drekkan chart for a chart to have the renunciation yoga? Or only the presence of moon in saturn's drekkan is enough? My confusion arises because of the phrase " and aspected by saturn " , is that part applicable only for when moon is in mars navamsa? Or for all the three cases, that is moon in saturn drekkan or moon in saturn navamsa. -Regards Rajarshi Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Dear Srivastava ji Can you please tell me what exact is a Chakradhara sanyasi? As in, how is he different from other class of sanyasis? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 7/7/09, R C Srivastava <swami.rcs wrote: R C Srivastava <swami.rcsRE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Date: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 9:07 PM Dear Rajarshi, In olden times as now there were several type of sanyasi. Chakradhar was one of them. Varahimar in his classic Brihat jatak has described Ten type about and indicated how to judge there type. Kindly read them there . With best wishes. Rcs. [srijagannat h ] On Behalf Of rajarshi nandyTuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste I had one more question on this topic. In the BPHS it says if someone has Shukra as the leading planet in a 4 planet combination of parivrajak yoga, then he/she becomes a sanyasi with a chakra. What does this "chakradhara" mean? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga [1 Attachment]Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 1:56 AM Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rajarshi, As with most yogas they come in various levels of potency. Are they occuring in Rashi or Navamsa ? The more conditions are filled that yoga has more potency. also to consider is And does the chart show other combinations suggesting/confirmi ng asceticism? Sanjay, Visti and others have written on the charts of many renunciates, please try and read those articles. There is a big difference between someone locked into poverty,hardship, someone who works hard all day, and gives the result of all his activties to his/her children and relatives, never experiencing a vacation, nor enjoyment of his toils/ and what about someone who comes from kings and renounces everything, and is sannyas,etc. You have to look carefully at the chart and see the various influences/ Saturn can give a mood of renunciation due to various pains and suffering, sometimes a person has a choice, go crazy from intolerable grief, suffering, frustration, suppression, or become spiritual and not bound by material laws. Saturn can give ability to preform austerity, be regular. A good saturn can give dicipline, and be consciencious. Saturns influence, or through suffering/denial one also can develop compassion for others, having walked in the same shoes. And then there are some sannyasis who call themselves "swamis " who live like kings.... See Robert Kochs book, or look for some of his posts on this topic in the previous years.Im including on paper of his . Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:33 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste EveryoneWhile reading about renunciation yogas from BPHS, I came across the following line:If Moon be in the decanate of Saturn, or in the Navams of Saturn, or Mars and be aspected by Saturn, the native becomes an ascetic and enters the holy order, signified by Saturn. Now, does this mean that moon should be in decanate of saturn and aspected by saturn in the drekkan chart for a chart to have the renunciation yoga? Or only the presence of moon in saturn's drekkan is enough?My confusion arises because of the phrase "and aspected by saturn", is that part applicable only for when moon is in mars navamsa? Or for all the three cases, that is moon in saturn drekkan or moon in saturn navamsa.-RegardsRajarshi Looking for local information? Find it on Local See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Here is the online book for Brihat Jatak you can scroll through it. http://www.archive.org/stream/brihatjataka00varaiala#page/n7/mode/2up Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:58:46 AMRE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Dear Srivastava ji Can you please tell me what exact is a Chakradhara sanyasi? As in, how is he different from other class of sanyasis? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 7/7/09, R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com>RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation YogaTuesday, 7 July, 2009, 9:07 PM Dear Rajarshi, In olden times as now there were several type of sanyasi. Chakradhar was one of them. Varahimar in his classic Brihat jatak has described Ten type about and indicated how to judge there type. Kindly read them there . With best wishes. Rcs. [srijagannat h ] On Behalf Of rajarshi nandyTuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste I had one more question on this topic. In the BPHS it says if someone has Shukra as the leading planet in a 4 planet combination of parivrajak yoga, then he/she becomes a sanyasi with a chakra. What does this "chakradhara" mean? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga [1 Attachment]Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 1:56 AM Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rajarshi, As with most yogas they come in various levels of potency. Are they occuring in Rashi or Navamsa ? The more conditions are filled that yoga has more potency. also to consider is And does the chart show other combinations suggesting/confirmi ng asceticism? Sanjay, Visti and others have written on the charts of many renunciates, please try and read those articles. There is a big difference between someone locked into poverty,hardship, someone who works hard all day, and gives the result of all his activties to his/her children and relatives, never experiencing a vacation, nor enjoyment of his toils/ and what about someone who comes from kings and renounces everything, and is sannyas,etc. You have to look carefully at the chart and see the various influences/ Saturn can give a mood of renunciation due to various pains and suffering, sometimes a person has a choice, go crazy from intolerable grief, suffering, frustration, suppression, or become spiritual and not bound by material laws. Saturn can give ability to preform austerity, be regular. A good saturn can give dicipline, and be consciencious. Saturns influence, or through suffering/denial one also can develop compassion for others, having walked in the same shoes. And then there are some sannyasis who call themselves "swamis " who live like kings.... See Robert Kochs book, or look for some of his posts on this topic in the previous years.Im including on paper of his . Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:33 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste EveryoneWhile reading about renunciation yogas from BPHS, I came across the following line:If Moon be in the decanate of Saturn, or in the Navams of Saturn, or Mars and be aspected by Saturn, the native becomes an ascetic and enters the holy order, signified by Saturn. Now, does this mean that moon should be in decanate of saturn and aspected by saturn in the drekkan chart for a chart to have the renunciation yoga? Or only the presence of moon in saturn's drekkan is enough?My confusion arises because of the phrase "and aspected by saturn", is that part applicable only for when moon is in mars navamsa? Or for all the three cases, that is moon in saturn drekkan or moon in saturn navamsa.-RegardsRajarshi Looking for local information? Find it on Local See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Om Gurave NamahDear Lakshmi, namasteThank you very much for finding and posting this! (Nice to see you around more these days, BTW)Warm Regards,Maja--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote:Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikaryRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 9:30 AM Hare Rama Krishna Here is the online book for Brihat Jatak you can scroll through it. http://www.archive. org/stream/ brihatjataka00va raiala#page/ n7/mode/2up Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:58:46 AMRE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Dear Srivastava ji Can you please tell me what exact is a Chakradhara sanyasi? As in, how is he different from other class of sanyasis? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 7/7/09, R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com>RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation YogaTuesday, 7 July, 2009, 9:07 PM Dear Rajarshi, In olden times as now there were several type of sanyasi. Chakradhar was one of them. Varahimar in his classic Brihat jatak has described Ten type about and indicated how to judge there type. Kindly read them there . With best wishes. Rcs. [srijagannat h ] On Behalf Of rajarshi nandyTuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste I had one more question on this topic. In the BPHS it says if someone has Shukra as the leading planet in a 4 planet combination of parivrajak yoga, then he/she becomes a sanyasi with a chakra. What does this "chakradhara" mean? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga [1 Attachment]Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 1:56 AM Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rajarshi, As with most yogas they come in various levels of potency. Are they occuring in Rashi or Navamsa ? The more conditions are filled that yoga has more potency. also to consider is And does the chart show other combinations suggesting/confirmi ng asceticism? Sanjay, Visti and others have written on the charts of many renunciates, please try and read those articles. There is a big difference between someone locked into poverty,hardship, someone who works hard all day, and gives the result of all his activties to his/her children and relatives, never experiencing a vacation, nor enjoyment of his toils/ and what about someone who comes from kings and renounces everything, and is sannyas,etc. You have to look carefully at the chart and see the various influences/ Saturn can give a mood of renunciation due to various pains and suffering, sometimes a person has a choice, go crazy from intolerable grief, suffering, frustration, suppression, or become spiritual and not bound by material laws. Saturn can give ability to preform austerity, be regular. A good saturn can give dicipline, and be consciencious. Saturns influence, or through suffering/denial one also can develop compassion for others, having walked in the same shoes. And then there are some sannyasis who call themselves "swamis " who live like kings.... See Robert Kochs book, or look for some of his posts on this topic in the previous years.Im including on paper of his . Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:33 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste EveryoneWhile reading about renunciation yogas from BPHS, I came across the following line:If Moon be in the decanate of Saturn, or in the Navams of Saturn, or Mars and be aspected by Saturn, the native becomes an ascetic and enters the holy order, signified by Saturn. Now, does this mean that moon should be in decanate of saturn and aspected by saturn in the drekkan chart for a chart to have the renunciation yoga? Or only the presence of moon in saturn's drekkan is enough?My confusion arises because of the phrase "and aspected by saturn", is that part applicable only for when moon is in mars navamsa? Or for all the three cases, that is moon in saturn drekkan or moon in saturn navamsa.-RegardsRajarshi Looking for local information? Find it on Local See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Namaste Lakshmiji Thank you so much for thelink. The Brihat Jataka says Chakradhara is one who "wears a discus". What does the mean? That meaning comes out from the very word itself. Chakra = discus, and dhara = holder. Does it mean one who has the sign of the discus on his body, like Vishnu's discus, or does it refer to something else? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary wrote: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikaryRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Date: Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 10:00 PM Hare Rama Krishna Here is the online book for Brihat Jatak you can scroll through it. http://www.archive. org/stream/ brihatjataka00va raiala#page/ n7/mode/2up Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:58:46 AMRE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Dear Srivastava ji Can you please tell me what exact is a Chakradhara sanyasi? As in, how is he different from other class of sanyasis? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 7/7/09, R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com>RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation YogaTuesday, 7 July, 2009, 9:07 PM Dear Rajarshi, In olden times as now there were several type of sanyasi. Chakradhar was one of them. Varahimar in his classic Brihat jatak has described Ten type about and indicated how to judge there type. Kindly read them there . With best wishes. Rcs. [srijagannat h ] On Behalf Of rajarshi nandyTuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste I had one more question on this topic. In the BPHS it says if someone has Shukra as the leading planet in a 4 planet combination of parivrajak yoga, then he/she becomes a sanyasi with a chakra. What does this "chakradhara" mean? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga [1 Attachment]Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 1:56 AM Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rajarshi, As with most yogas they come in various levels of potency. Are they occuring in Rashi or Navamsa ? The more conditions are filled that yoga has more potency. also to consider is And does the chart show other combinations suggesting/confirmi ng asceticism? Sanjay, Visti and others have written on the charts of many renunciates, please try and read those articles. There is a big difference between someone locked into poverty,hardship, someone who works hard all day, and gives the result of all his activties to his/her children and relatives, never experiencing a vacation, nor enjoyment of his toils/ and what about someone who comes from kings and renounces everything, and is sannyas,etc. You have to look carefully at the chart and see the various influences/ Saturn can give a mood of renunciation due to various pains and suffering, sometimes a person has a choice, go crazy from intolerable grief, suffering, frustration, suppression, or become spiritual and not bound by material laws. Saturn can give ability to preform austerity, be regular. A good saturn can give dicipline, and be consciencious. Saturns influence, or through suffering/denial one also can develop compassion for others, having walked in the same shoes. And then there are some sannyasis who call themselves "swamis " who live like kings.... See Robert Kochs book, or look for some of his posts on this topic in the previous years.Im including on paper of his . Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:33 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste EveryoneWhile reading about renunciation yogas from BPHS, I came across the following line:If Moon be in the decanate of Saturn, or in the Navams of Saturn, or Mars and be aspected by Saturn, the native becomes an ascetic and enters the holy order, signified by Saturn. Now, does this mean that moon should be in decanate of saturn and aspected by saturn in the drekkan chart for a chart to have the renunciation yoga? Or only the presence of moon in saturn's drekkan is enough?My confusion arises because of the phrase "and aspected by saturn", is that part applicable only for when moon is in mars navamsa? Or for all the three cases, that is moon in saturn drekkan or moon in saturn navamsa.-RegardsRajarshi Looking for local information? Find it on Local See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rajarshi, I could guess, but better for someone more knowledgeble to tell us.. My guess( completely) I relate more to discus being a weapon. Like Vishnu with discus. A full time military person warrier, has given his whole life to his service, lives austere, is renounced.... so I would like to explore some charts of warriers. Im attaching a number of charts for peoples interest. Perhaps someone can post conjunctions of 5 or more planets. Most common conjunctions involve Sun , Mercury and Venus, as they stay relatively close to each other anyway. So there are several different phenomenon happening all at once. 1) Planets that will become combust the Sun and thus harmed.PLanets combust Sun undergo a "spiritual cleansing of sorts" It makes a difference if the said planet has already undergone cleansing, or is advancing towards the Sun. 2) Planets that are either ahead, behind, or exact conjoin the others.Planetary war. 3) Conjunctions of planets - line up in order of malefic then reverse -etc etc use order in which they will give there results- as you can imagine, it gets pretty complicated 4) If the conjunction occurs in a Dustana then planets houses can be ruined. What about VipareetaRaja Yoga.? ie makes a big difference what house the conjunction occurs. 5) Many planets conjoined tightly can give a few charakaraka replacements. 6) If moon is included it can fall in an inauspicious tithi Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:16:01 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste Lakshmiji Thank you so much for thelink. The Brihat Jataka says Chakradhara is one who "wears a discus". What does the mean? That meaning comes out from the very word itself. Chakra = discus, and dhara = holder. Does it mean one who has the sign of the discus on his body, like Vishnu's discus, or does it refer to something else? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation YogaTuesday, 7 July, 2009, 10:00 PM Hare Rama Krishna Here is the online book for Brihat Jatak you can scroll through it. http://www.archive. org/stream/ brihatjataka00va raiala#page/ n7/mode/2up Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:58:46 AMRE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Dear Srivastava ji Can you please tell me what exact is a Chakradhara sanyasi? As in, how is he different from other class of sanyasis? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 7/7/09, R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: R C Srivastava <swami.rcs (AT) gmail (DOT) com>RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation YogaTuesday, 7 July, 2009, 9:07 PM Dear Rajarshi, In olden times as now there were several type of sanyasi. Chakradhar was one of them. Varahimar in his classic Brihat jatak has described Ten type about and indicated how to judge there type. Kindly read them there . With best wishes. Rcs. [srijagannat h ] On Behalf Of rajarshi nandyTuesday, July 07, 2009 9:03 PMRe: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste I had one more question on this topic. In the BPHS it says if someone has Shukra as the leading planet in a 4 planet combination of parivrajak yoga, then he/she becomes a sanyasi with a chakra. What does this "chakradhara" mean? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ > wrote: Lakshmi Kary <lakshmikary@ >Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga [1 Attachment]Tuesday, 7 July, 2009, 1:56 AM Hare Rama Krishna Dear Rajarshi, As with most yogas they come in various levels of potency. Are they occuring in Rashi or Navamsa ? The more conditions are filled that yoga has more potency. also to consider is And does the chart show other combinations suggesting/confirmi ng asceticism? Sanjay, Visti and others have written on the charts of many renunciates, please try and read those articles. There is a big difference between someone locked into poverty,hardship, someone who works hard all day, and gives the result of all his activties to his/her children and relatives, never experiencing a vacation, nor enjoyment of his toils/ and what about someone who comes from kings and renounces everything, and is sannyas,etc. You have to look carefully at the chart and see the various influences/ Saturn can give a mood of renunciation due to various pains and suffering, sometimes a person has a choice, go crazy from intolerable grief, suffering, frustration, suppression, or become spiritual and not bound by material laws. Saturn can give ability to preform austerity, be regular. A good saturn can give dicipline, and be consciencious. Saturns influence, or through suffering/denial one also can develop compassion for others, having walked in the same shoes. And then there are some sannyasis who call themselves "swamis " who live like kings.... See Robert Kochs book, or look for some of his posts on this topic in the previous years.Im including on paper of his . Best wishes Lakshmi rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:33 AM[Om Krishna Guru] Renunciation Yoga Namaste EveryoneWhile reading about renunciation yogas from BPHS, I came across the following line:If Moon be in the decanate of Saturn, or in the Navams of Saturn, or Mars and be aspected by Saturn, the native becomes an ascetic and enters the holy order, signified by Saturn. Now, does this mean that moon should be in decanate of saturn and aspected by saturn in the drekkan chart for a chart to have the renunciation yoga? Or only the presence of moon in saturn's drekkan is enough?My confusion arises because of the phrase "and aspected by saturn", is that part applicable only for when moon is in mars navamsa? Or for all the three cases, that is moon in saturn drekkan or moon in saturn navamsa.-RegardsRajarshi Looking for local information? 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