[Jagannath] MR. CHANDRAHARI AND HIS RESEARCH

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Vyam Vyasa Devaya Namaha

Namaste Sri Chandra Hari,

 

I read the articles on your homepage several months ago and read your

article in AM of Jan 2000 also. I am glad that someone is approaching the

issue of ayanamsa from a different angle and I am very pleased to read your

works.

 

> Mr.Rath and other

> this is reply from Chandrahari

>

> Dear John

>

> what Mr.Sanjay Rath is telling is quite false and he

> is trying to misguide

> people.Please convey this message to others.

 

Which statement of Sanjay Rath are you referring to? If you are replying to

a post after 9 months, please have the courtesy of enclosing the mail that

you are refuting instead of throwing knives into empty air.

 

If I remember correctly, Sanjay did not say anything " quite false " and only

put your claims in the right perspective.

 

> Narasimha

> tried to seek

> certain clarifications related to modern astronomy as

> if to test my grasp

> over the subject and when he realized that I can

> smartly answer his

> questions,he abruptly stopped his correspondence. So

 

Ho ho, wait. I did not stop my correspondence because I agreed with you or

because I was overawed by your " grasp over the subject " . No Sir, I still

disagree with taking a linear ayanamsa.

 

I stopped my correspondence because I felt that it would only lead to you

and I stating the same positions again and again. Also, I wasn't encouraged

to continue, given the hostile tone of your reply ( " Are you trying to test

our knowledge " , " any *sensible* person can understand that... " ).

 

Now that you are taking my silence to mean that I agree with you, I will

spell out my opinion clearly:

 

(1) Taking a linear ayanamsa is absolutely incorrect. Precession IS

nonlinear. You may downplay the importance of this nonlinearity, but I will

never agree with you on that. One who uses solar ingress charts and Tajaka

charts will understand how important it is to take the correct nonlinear

nature of ayanamsa into account. The change in ayanamsa every year is no

doubt small, but that is enough to cause huge errors in the lagna of Tajaka

charts (because lagna moves 360 times as fast as Sun).

 

If one uses a slightly wrong ayanamsa, one will still get reasonable results

in natal and Tajaka charts, as long as the error in ayanamsa is the same

always. OTOH, one taking a linear ayanamsa will most of the times get wrong

divisional charts in Tajaka. Taking the nonlinear nature into account

accurately is very important. This is why I wondered why you gave a linear

formula for your Moola ayanamsa.

 

(2) Sri Anil Nair wrote about your ayanamsa here. He did not seem to use

divisional charts much. He talked about rectification with lagna dasa.

Because he anyway rectifies lagna with that dasa, one can get the same value

of lagna (with a slightly different birthtime) with Lahiri ayanamsa also. In

essence, success of this dasa does NOT prove the correctness of your

ayanamsa.

 

(3) It is divisional charts of natal charts, Tajaka charts and solar ingress

charts that tell us whether an ayanamsa is correct or not, not lagna dasa

(given the fact that two variables - ayanamsa and birthtime - get mixed up

in the latter approach and it is not possible to separate the two). While I

do not claim that Lahiri is exact, I have never seen a conclusive argument

from you in favor of Moola ayanamsa.

 

(4) I read your arguments based on " prehistoric astronomy " , Vedic symbolism,

temple architecture etc etc. It reads nice, but I tell you what - you gave

no proof so far. What you presented is more of an opinion than a conclusive

argument. I know you think otherwise and I keep my mind open and look

forward to more solid arguments from you at a later date, but, as of now,

your arguments are merely a hypothesis. No more.

 

> what Mr.Rath is telling

> is incorrect.Using horoscopes or astronomically nobody

> can prove that

> Citrpaksha is correct.In fact Mr.Rath and his kind do

> not understand the

> ABCD of the history of Indian astronomy and

> astrology.Just because someone

> has written some substandard books he does not become

> an authority to

> comment on the truth of Chandrahari's ayanamsa.I am

 

It is quite arrogant to comment on Sri Rath's knowledge of " Indian astronomy

and astrology " . And, BTW, Sanjay's books are by no stretch of imagination

" substandard " . His second book (Crux of Vedic Astrology) is the finest book

written in English on Vedic astrology. One or two readings are not

sufficient to grasp the teachings of that book completely! That book is an

extra-ordinary gift to Vedic astrologers.

 

This arrogance and hostility is unbecoming of a seeker of Truth like you. As

the founder and current manager of this SJVC-owned list, I request you to be

more courteous in your future posts. SJVC is a saattwik place of learning

and sharing knowledge and we don't appreciate this hostility and belittling

of our guru Sanjay's knowledge.

 

> challenging all

> Citrapaksha astrologers including Mr.K.N.Rao (and

> Mr.Krishen Kaul the Sayana

> astrologer) to prove thier case relative to the TRUE

> SIDEREAL ZODIAC I have

> deciphered.

> I have little time now to write a detailed letter to

> expose them

 

Look, Sri K.N. Rao and my guru Sri Sanjay Rath use Lahiri ayanamsa, but they

are both very open-minded on the issue of ayanamsa (as far as I know). So am

I. Sanjay talks about finding the correct ayanamsa based on research into

some advanced techniques of interpreting Prana-antardasas etc. As far as I

know, he doesn't believe that Lahiri ayanamsa is final.

 

Sri K.N. Rao also wrote in some places that Lahiri ayanamsa could have some

error. He even helped Swami Sadashiva Giri in publishing a thesis on his

Deva-Datta ayanamsa. He brought out the book nicely and wrote a foreword. He

is quite open-minded on ayanamsa.

 

So why do you have to use expressions like " expose them " ? Look, this

*hostile* approach is unwarranted. This hostility is not conducive to a

productive exchange of ideas!! Remember that we are all searching for the

same Truth...

 

> please read article by me from,

> www.keralaastrology.com/isvar

> there are 7 articles written by me

>

> most important one is " Prehistoric astronomy "

>

> please do despatch this message to all whom Rath's

> message has gone, please all of them visit above web

> site,and take their own decision

>

> With regards,

> K.Chandra Hari

 

You have the zeal of a missionary and the fire of a visionary. If the right

direction is found, this zeal and fire will give light to the world. May

Jupiter shower his light on you and may Shiva show you the right direction!

I will say bye with respect and good wishes...

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha