Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Hare Rama Krsna Svee, I finally typed this out for you. This book not only contains the names of many minerals and stones but also their history, differences of opinion, medical use, purification, and sometimes description of crystal formation of the said stone/metal. ¡®Rasamritam¡¯ by Dr. Damodar Joshi, Chaukhambha Sanskrit Bhawan, Varanasi, 1998. gomedam- Hessonite maaNikyam- Ruby nilama- Sapphire puSparaaga- Topaz taarkSya, Marakata- Emerald vajram- Diamond akiikaH- Agate candrakaantaH- Moonstone perojakam- Turquoise raajaavarta- Lapis Lazuli saNge Yashaba- Jade sphatika- crystal quartz suuryakaantaH- Sunstone trNakaanta, kaharubaa- Amber vaikraantaH- Tourmaline naaga paaSaaNam- Serpantine sikataa- sand godantii- gypsum khaiSaka- chalk sudhaa- lime surmaa saphead- calcite sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:26 AM vedic astrology Cc: sohamsa ; SJCA RE: [vedic astrology] Gem Stones-- Difference between Lab Created Gem Stone and Natural -- SWEE Jaya Jagannatha ? Dear Bharat, Namaste ? These are the names I have retrieved from Garuòa Purana for Emerald substitute: ? Bhallataka ?which is a very close imitation of emerald in features, colour and quality but its colour fades and changes when air is blown over it. It can be Green Beryl from Brazil, whose colour is not stable. It loses its colour when it has been exposed to Air/Sun. The other one that loses its colour is Spodumene. Zambian and Nigerian Green Beryls are stable in colour. ? Putrika loses its brilliance when rubbed with a silken cloth. This can be either Apatite or Peridot. Apatite’s colour is greener (less of the y ellowish tinge) but both Apatite and Peridot are very soft stones. After wearing for about a year, you might as well throw away the Peridot. :-) Most Apatite workings are around the same mining area where Aquamarine (Beryl) is found. ? In Emerald mining areas, mostly green Tourmalines are found. I have also found something that maybe of interest for budding miners: That if your Tourmaline finds are very good, then the finds for the Aquamarine is mostly eroded. (Usually, these finds are close by). Vanadium is the compound that colours the blue beryl (aquamarine) green. (One can also find the same compound in green Chrysoberyl). ? I think we can safely conclude that, because Emerald comes from the Beryl family, the best substitute is the Green Beryl which is a fraction of the price of Emerald. ? Love, Swee ? _____ vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:53 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Gem Stones-- Difference between Lab Created Gem Stone and Natural -- SWEE ? Namaskaar Sri Swee Presently, I do not know the Sanskrit names for Peridot and Tourmaline. One of the articles with me from GII, Mumbai states that Peridot is derived from the word " Faridat " . This is said to be an arabic word which means " Gem " . Tourmaline comes from the Sri Lankan Singhalese word " tura mali " . Tura Mali means a gem of many colors. Tourmaline is actually found in many different colors. Some beautiful tourmalines are of mixed colors. If I come to know of their sanskrit names, I shall share it with you. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 11/25/05, Swee Chan <HYPERLINK " swee " swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha ? Dear Bharat, Namaste If you want ideal substitutes then, it is best to go in for semi precious gemstones. For example, instead of a Emerald use Peridot or a Green Tourmaline. Thanks and Regards Bharat Please give me the Sanskrit names for both Peridot and Green Tourmaline. ? Love, Swee Archives: HYPERLINK " vedic astrology " \nvedic astrology Group info: HYPERLINK " vedic astrology/info.html " \nvedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to HYPERLINK " vedic astrology- " \nvedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Freedom, Namaste How have you been?!! Are coming over to join us in Jan.? Thank you, thank you, for taking the trouble to type out the Sanskrit names for some of the gemstones. The puSparAga is NOT Topaz, I can assure you. Topaz does not come in those colours as described in the GaruDa PurANa. PuSparAga, Manikya, Nilam, etc all fall under the corundum family. Hessonite falls under the garnet family group. Jadeite falls under the augnite/pyroxene family group - Jadeite (very rare), Nephrite (common), diopside (chromium colours this green, hence looks very similar to Emerald, though much darker green), Beryllonite - it is colourless/white with yellow streak - has a vitreous look; personally, looks better than diamond :-)! ; Brazillianite - Beautiful Yellow! (some yellowish-green); and others including Lazulite - Dark Blue to Blue-White; Dioptase, Apatite, Sphene etc etc Are there more names, please? I need to identify a lot more than these, but some you can make out especially spinel as it is common to find spinel in the same pit when you are mining rubies......but some freak finds like spessartite has been found at my mine. Though there is no kimberlite there, the diamond is alluvial. About 300 metres within the same boundary is the aquamarine mine. Do you recommend this book? How do I get a hold of a copy? Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of freedom Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:52 AM sohamsa RE: Ratna Vijnaaniiyam Hare Rama Krsna Svee, I finally typed this out for you. This book not only contains the names of many minerals and stones but also their history, differences of opinion, medical use, purification, and sometimes description of crystal formation of the said stone/metal. ‘Rasamritam?by Dr. Damodar Joshi, Chaukhambha Sanskrit Bhawan, Varanasi, 1998. gomedam- Hessonite maaNikyam- Ruby nilama- Sapphire puSparaaga- Topaz taarkSya, Marakata- Emerald vajram- Diamond akiikaH- Agate candrakaantaH- Moonstone perojakam- Turquoise raajaavarta- Lapis Lazuli saNge Yashaba- Jade sphatika- crystal quartz suuryakaantaH- Sunstone trNakaanta, kaharubaa- Amber vaikraantaH- Tourmaline naaga paaSaaNam- Serpantine sikataa- sand godantii- gypsum khaiSaka- chalk sudhaa- lime surmaa saphead- calcite sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:26 AM vedic astrology Cc: sohamsa ; SJCA RE: [vedic astrology] Gem Stones-- Difference between Lab Created Gem Stone and Natural -- SWEE Jaya Jagannatha ? Dear Bharat, Namaste ? These are the names I have retrieved from Garu? Purana for Emerald substitute: ? Bhallataka ?which is a very close imitation of emerald in features, colour and quality but its colour fades and changes when air is blown over it. It can be Green Beryl from Brazil, whose colour is not stable. It loses its colour when it has been exposed to Air/Sun. The other one that loses its colour is Spodumene. Zambian and Nigerian Green Beryls are stable in colour. ? Putrika loses its brilliance when rubbed with a silken cloth. This can be either Apatite or Peridot. Apatite? colour is greener (less of the ? ellowish tinge) but both Apatite and Peridot are very soft stones. After wearing for about a year, you might as well throw away the Peridot. :-) Most Apatite workings are around the same mining area where Aquamarine (Beryl) is found. ? In Emerald mining areas, mostly green Tourmalines are found. I have also found something that maybe of interest for budding miners: That if your Tourmaline finds are very good, then the finds for the Aquamarine is mostly eroded. (Usually, ?hese finds are close by). Vanadium is the compound that colours the blue beryl (aquamarine) green. (One can also find the same compound in green Chrysoberyl). ? I think we can safely conclude that, because Emerald comes from the Beryl family, the best substitute is the Green Beryl which is a fraction of the price of Emerald. ? Love, Swee ? _____ vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:53 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Gem Stones-- Difference between Lab Created Gem Stone and Natural -- SWEE ? Namaskaar Sri Swee Presently, I do not know the Sanskrit names for Peridot and Tourmaline. One of the articles with me from GII, Mumbai states that Peridot is derived from the word " Faridat " . This is said to be an arabic word which means " Gem " . Tourmaline comes from the Sri Lankan Singhalese word " tura mali " . Tura Mali means a gem of many colors. Tourmaline is actually found in many different colors. Some beautiful tourmalines are of mixed colors. If I come to know of their sanskrit names, I shall share it with you. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 11/25/05, Swee Chan <HYPERLINK " swee " swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha ? Dear Bharat, Namaste If you want ideal substitutes then, it is best to go in for semi precious gemstones. For example, instead of a Emerald use Peridot or a Green Tourmaline. Thanks and Regards Bharat Please give me the Sanskrit names for both Peridot and Green Tourmaline. ? Love, Swee Archives: HYPERLINK " vedic astrology " \nvedic astrology Group info: HYPERLINK " vedic astrology/info.html " \nvedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to HYPERLINK " vedic astrology- " \nvedic astrology- ||? Om Tat Sat? ||? 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Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Hare Rama Krsna Namaskar Svee, I won't be making it in January this year, as job (money/time) reality does not allow. I would recommend all the books on rasa shastra, which is the science of grinding up gemstones for medical use, as well as talking to some vaidyas who specialize in this. These books also go into debates about the Sanskrit names and what stone they represent with rasa shastra to argue their points. In some of these texts they not only mention the stone and colors but shapes like: " Vaikraanta consists of eight edges, eight facets, six angles, it is smooth and heavy. There are 7 varieties of single and combined colors. There are white, red, yellow, blue, pigeon, blackish/brown, and mixed color. Rasa paddhati also prescribes above seven but with emphasis that black vaikraanta is highly useful for therapeutic purpose while others are not recommended. Vaikraanta contains all six tastes, pacifies all three dosas, makes the body strong. It cures paaNDu, udara roga, jwara, shvaasa, kaasa, yakSmaa, and prameha. " In Ayruveda, the gems are being taken internally so the identification is a little more specific than the Puranas. Though many of the texts are in Sanskrit and Hindi, more than English. I have always wanted to correlate the medical uses given in the texts with the grahas, and try to relate the different gemstones to the grahas in this way. In time.... The rasa shastra texts also talk about individual minerals/metals and their properties. In this way, I have thought, it is possible to see the various composition of gemstones and understand their properties better. In Varanasi and Pune there are special Ayurvedic bookstores that have these books. I don't know of any ayurveda specialized bookstores in Delhi, maybe someone else does. Namah Sivaya Freedom Swee Chan [swee] Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:30 AM sohamsa RE: Ratna Vijnaaniiyam Jaya Jagannatha Dear Freedom, Namaste How have you been?!! Are coming over to join us in Jan.? Thank you, thank you, for taking the trouble to type out the Sanskrit names for some of the gemstones. The puSparAga is NOT Topaz, I can assure you. Topaz does not come in those colours as described in the GaruDa PurANa. PuSparAga, Manikya, Nilam, etc all fall under the corundum family. Hessonite falls under the garnet family group. Jadeite falls under the augnite/pyroxene family group - Jadeite (very rare), Nephrite (common), diopside (chromium colours this green, hence looks very similar to Emerald, though much darker green), Beryllonite - it is colourless/white with yellow streak - has a vitreous look; personally, looks better than diamond :-)! ; Brazillianite - Beautiful Yellow! (some yellowish-green); and others including Lazulite - Dark Blue to Blue-White; Dioptase, Apatite, Sphene etc etc Are there more names, please? I need to identify a lot more than these, but some you can make out especially spinel as it is common to find spinel in the same pit when you are mining rubies......but some freak finds like spessartite has been found at my mine. Though there is no kimberlite there, the diamond is alluvial. About 300 metres within the same boundary is the aquamarine mine. Do you recommend this book? How do I get a hold of a copy? Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of freedom Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:52 AM sohamsa RE: Ratna Vijnaaniiyam Hare Rama Krsna Svee, I finally typed this out for you. This book not only contains the names of many minerals and stones but also their history, differences of opinion, medical use, purification, and sometimes description of crystal formation of the said stone/metal. ‘Rasamritam?by Dr. Damodar Joshi, Chaukhambha Sanskrit Bhawan, Varanasi, 1998. gomedam- Hessonite maaNikyam- Ruby nilama- Sapphire puSparaaga- Topaz taarkSya, Marakata- Emerald vajram- Diamond akiikaH- Agate candrakaantaH- Moonstone perojakam- Turquoise raajaavarta- Lapis Lazuli saNge Yashaba- Jade sphatika- crystal quartz suuryakaantaH- Sunstone trNakaanta, kaharubaa- Amber vaikraantaH- Tourmaline naaga paaSaaNam- Serpantine sikataa- sand godantii- gypsum khaiSaka- chalk sudhaa- lime surmaa saphead- calcite sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:26 AM vedic astrology Cc: sohamsa ; SJCA RE: [vedic astrology] Gem Stones-- Difference between Lab Created Gem Stone and Natural -- SWEE Jaya Jagannatha ? Dear Bharat, Namaste ? These are the names I have retrieved from Garu? Purana for Emerald substitute: ? Bhallataka ?which is a very close imitation of emerald in features, colour and quality but its colour fades and changes when air is blown over it. It can be Green Beryl from Brazil, whose colour is not stable. It loses its colour when it has been exposed to Air/Sun. The other one that loses its colour is Spodumene. Zambian and Nigerian Green Beryls are stable in colour. ? Putrika loses its brilliance when rubbed with a silken cloth. This can be either Apatite or Peridot. Apatite? colour is greener (less of the ? ellowish tinge) but both Apatite and Peridot are very soft stones. After wearing for about a year, you might as well throw away the Peridot. :-) Most Apatite workings are around the same mining area where Aquamarine (Beryl) is found. ? In Emerald mining areas, mostly green Tourmalines are found. I have also found something that maybe of interest for budding miners: That if your Tourmaline finds are very good, then the finds for the Aquamarine is mostly eroded. (Usually, ?hese finds are close by). Vanadium is the compound that colours the blue beryl (aquamarine) green. (One can also find the same compound in green Chrysoberyl). ? I think we can safely conclude that, because Emerald comes from the Beryl family, the best substitute is the Green Beryl which is a fraction of the price of Emerald. ? Love, Swee ? _____ vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:53 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Gem Stones-- Difference between Lab Created Gem Stone and Natural -- SWEE ? Namaskaar Sri Swee Presently, I do not know the Sanskrit names for Peridot and Tourmaline. One of the articles with me from GII, Mumbai states that Peridot is derived from the word " Faridat " . This is said to be an arabic word which means " Gem " . Tourmaline comes from the Sri Lankan Singhalese word " tura mali " . Tura Mali means a gem of many colors. Tourmaline is actually found in many different colors. Some beautiful tourmalines are of mixed colors. If I come to know of their sanskrit names, I shall share it with you. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 11/25/05, Swee Chan <HYPERLINK " swee " swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha ? Dear Bharat, Namaste If you want ideal substitutes then, it is best to go in for semi precious gemstones. For example, instead of a Emerald use Peridot or a Green Tourmaline. Thanks and Regards Bharat Please give me the Sanskrit names for both Peridot and Green Tourmaline. ? Love, Swee Archives: HYPERLINK " vedic astrology " \nvedic astrology Group info: HYPERLINK " vedic astrology/info.html " \nvedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to HYPERLINK " vedic astrology- " \nvedic astrology- ||? Om Tat Sat? ||? 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Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Freedom, Namaste Pity, thought you'd be doing your bi-annually visit as usual I'll miss you. Just remember that a gemstone in its original state does not have any colour - colourless-white. It is the different minerals and chemicals that lend the colour to them. So many family groups have similar colours, therefore, it is better we group them to their content. Chrome colours the tourmaline red and it is the same mineral as in spinel and ruby. BTW, tourmaline has an especial property no other gemstone has. Rub it, and it attracts the ores like a magnet. It is the only gem with a north-south pole. I use the black tourmaline to heal a lot of people suffering from back pains, arthritis, rheumatism......all indications of Saturn. You can imagine the energy pull at the mine with 98% schrol (black tourmaline). My feeling is, if distant healing with my gemstones work, why would you need to grind these gemstones down? Just a thought........ Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of freedom Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:59 PM sohamsa RE: Ratna Vijnaaniiyam Hare Rama Krsna Namaskar Svee, I won't be making it in January this year, as job (money/time) reality does not allow. I would recommend all the books on rasa shastra, which is the science of grinding up gemstones for medical use, as well as talking to some vaidyas who specialize in this. These books also go into debates about the Sanskrit names and what stone they represent with rasa shastra to argue their points. In some of these texts they not only mention the stone and colors but shapes like: " Vaikraanta consists of eight edges, eight facets, six angles, it is smooth and heavy. There are 7 varieties of single and combined colors. There are white, red, yellow, blue, pigeon, blackish/brown, and mixed color. Rasa paddhati also prescribes above seven but with emphasis that black vaikraanta is highly useful for therapeutic purpose while others are not recommended. Vaikraanta contains all six tastes, pacifies all three dosas, makes the body strong. It cures paaNDu, udara roga, jwara, shvaasa, kaasa, yakSmaa, and prameha. " In Ayruveda, the gems are being taken internally so the identification is a little more specific than the Puranas. Though many of the texts are in Sanskrit and Hindi, more than English. I have always wanted to correlate the medical uses given in the texts with the grahas, and try to relate the different gemstones to the grahas in this way. In time.... The rasa shastra texts also talk about individual minerals/metals and their properties. In this way, I have thought, it is possible to see the various composition of gemstones and understand their properties better. In Varanasi and Pune there are special Ayurvedic bookstores that have these books. I don't know of any ayurveda specialized bookstores in Delhi, maybe someone else does. Namah Sivaya Freedom Swee Chan [swee] Tuesday, December 20, 2005 2:30 AM sohamsa RE: Ratna Vijnaaniiyam Jaya Jagannatha Dear Freedom, Namaste How have you been?!! Are coming over to join us in Jan.? Thank you, thank you, for taking the trouble to type out the Sanskrit names for some of the gemstones. The puSparAga is NOT Topaz, I can assure you. Topaz does not come in those colours as described in the GaruDa PurANa. PuSparAga, Manikya, Nilam, etc all fall under the corundum family. Hessonite falls under the garnet family group. Jadeite falls under the augnite/pyroxene family group - Jadeite (very rare), Nephrite (common), diopside (chromium colours this green, hence looks very similar to Emerald, though much darker green), Beryllonite - it is colourless/white with yellow streak - has a vitreous look; personally, looks better than diamond :-)! ; Brazillianite - Beautiful Yellow! (some yellowish-green); and others including Lazulite - Dark Blue to Blue-White; Dioptase, Apatite, Sphene etc etc Are there more names, please? I need to identify a lot more than these, but some you can make out especially spinel as it is common to find spinel in the same pit when you are mining rubies......but some freak finds like spessartite has been found at my mine. Though there is no kimberlite there, the diamond is alluvial. About 300 metres within the same boundary is the aquamarine mine. Do you recommend this book? How do I get a hold of a copy? Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of freedom Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:52 AM sohamsa RE: Ratna Vijnaaniiyam Hare Rama Krsna Svee, I finally typed this out for you. This book not only contains the names of many minerals and stones but also their history, differences of opinion, medical use, purification, and sometimes description of crystal formation of the said stone/metal. ‘Rasamritam?by Dr. Damodar Joshi, Chaukhambha Sanskrit Bhawan, Varanasi, 1998. gomedam- Hessonite maaNikyam- Ruby nilama- Sapphire puSparaaga- Topaz taarkSya, Marakata- Emerald vajram- Diamond akiikaH- Agate candrakaantaH- Moonstone perojakam- Turquoise raajaavarta- Lapis Lazuli saNge Yashaba- Jade sphatika- crystal quartz suuryakaantaH- Sunstone trNakaanta, kaharubaa- Amber vaikraantaH- Tourmaline naaga paaSaaNam- Serpantine sikataa- sand godantii- gypsum khaiSaka- chalk sudhaa- lime surmaa saphead- calcite sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Swee Chan Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:26 AM vedic astrology Cc: sohamsa ; SJCA RE: [vedic astrology] Gem Stones-- Difference between Lab Created Gem Stone and Natural -- SWEE Jaya Jagannatha ? Dear Bharat, Namaste ? These are the names I have retrieved from Garu? Purana for Emerald substitute: ? Bhallataka ?which is a very close imitation of emerald in features, colour and quality but its colour fades and changes when air is blown over it. It can be Green Beryl from Brazil, whose colour is not stable. It loses its colour when it has been exposed to Air/Sun. The other one that loses its colour is Spodumene. Zambian and Nigerian Green Beryls are stable in colour. ? Putrika loses its brilliance when rubbed with a silken cloth. This can be either Apatite or Peridot. Apatite? colour is greener (less of the ? ellowish tinge) but both Apatite and Peridot are very soft stones. After wearing for about a year, you might as well throw away the Peridot. :-) Most Apatite workings are around the same mining area where Aquamarine (Beryl) is found. ? In Emerald mining areas, mostly green Tourmalines are found. I have also found something that maybe of interest for budding miners: That if your Tourmaline finds are very good, then the finds for the Aquamarine is mostly eroded. (Usually, ?hese finds are close by). Vanadium is the compound that colours the blue beryl (aquamarine) green. (One can also find the same compound in green Chrysoberyl). ? I think we can safely conclude that, because Emerald comes from the Beryl family, the best substitute is the Green Beryl which is a fraction of the price of Emerald. ? Love, Swee ? _____ vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Bharat Hindu Astrology Saturday, November 26, 2005 8:53 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Gem Stones-- Difference between Lab Created Gem Stone and Natural -- SWEE ? Namaskaar Sri Swee Presently, I do not know the Sanskrit names for Peridot and Tourmaline. One of the articles with me from GII, Mumbai states that Peridot is derived from the word " Faridat " . This is said to be an arabic word which means " Gem " . Tourmaline comes from the Sri Lankan Singhalese word " tura mali " . Tura Mali means a gem of many colors. Tourmaline is actually found in many different colors. Some beautiful tourmalines are of mixed colors. If I come to know of their sanskrit names, I shall share it with you. Thanks and Regards Bharat On 11/25/05, Swee Chan <HYPERLINK " swee " swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha ? Dear Bharat, Namaste If you want ideal substitutes then, it is best to go in for semi precious gemstones. For example, instead of a Emerald use Peridot or a Green Tourmaline. Thanks and Regards Bharat Please give me the Sanskrit names for both Peridot and Green Tourmaline. ? Love, Swee Archives: HYPERLINK " vedic astrology " \nvedic astrology Group info: HYPERLINK " vedic astrology/info.html " \nvedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to HYPERLINK " vedic astrology- " \nvedic astrology- ||? Om Tat Sat? ||? 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